Not Colombian enough

southern151 says on Jan 30, 2007, 05:51:

damn... I'm glad I'm not a moderator! I would like to get with all of you musicians for a jam session! I play guitar but, is definately not Colombian. I am willing to learn though. We should all get together on this. Rubito and I have a very similar taste in music.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 05:57:

guys, is there another site besides "tinypic" (down) that i could use to post pictures?

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southern151 says on Jan 30, 2007, 06:04:

I tried several... today and couldn't get a DAMN one of them to work. F it! I give up! If you find one that works, let me know.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 06:07:

yours truly during el yours truly playing my tambora during el carnaval de curramba, outside el estadio waiting to see festival de orquestas, many, many moons ago

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Monpirri says on Jan 30, 2007, 06:09:

Elmo try Associacion de Colombianos en el exterior contra la mala imagen de Colombia. They have really good videos.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 06:13:

i'll be in curramba this weekend!!!!

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 06:47:

elmo This is how I think it works:

- To a bunch of foreigners who have only been to Colombia once or twice on vacation, you are the epitome of colombianess, you are the guy who has been places they haven't.

- To a colombian who has lived all his life in colombia you are "agringado". After so many years in gringolandia, many of their ideas and beliefs have rubbed off on you. Having lived in the States from a rather tender age, the American way of life is now deeply embedded in your soul. New York is you, and any colombian in colombia can see that miles away whether you like it or not. No matter I eat arepas for breakfast everyday, no matter you play the tambora. The fact that you are so outspoken about the injustices of colombian society is a direct result of your American upbringing - you learned things were different elsewhere, you have a point of reference.


In reality, you are not a member of a nationality anymore, you are a member of a diaspora. When you are in the states you feel very colombian, when you are in colombia you feel very gringo. Your home is a fusion of both countries that exists in your heart and mind. WE are basically homeless Elmo..... we are hybrids, we are an entirely new subspecie, get used to it!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:10:

Well said Colombiche!
I bet Well said Colombiche!

I bet he is going to ask you what is a Diaspora heheh

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arfgoblue says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:13:

wow.. that was deep. i officially join elmo in falling deeply in love with you, and i don´t even like the green-eye colombiana look. could you wear black contacts for me, so we can talk all you want about "dispora" and other naughty-sounding terms =)

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:20:

Colombiche, I’m actually a very rare species. I grew very proud of my people and surrounding. Unlike many Colombians, I can’t just go and blend in, I’m too damn injun. Even my own brother ridiculed my indianess.
Two days after arriving in NYC, I was around 10 years old. We went to live in a rental room. The apartment belonged to this Puerto Rican family, father, mother and 16 year old Newyorican son. The kid began bad mouthing Colombia specially going after me, for having such a third world look. His comments did not bother my brothers but bothered me. I picked up the butter knife and went to stab that modefoque in the neck and then the eye, but my older brother held me back.
We were never suppose to return to Colombia cus of some very crazy chit that happened, between my dad and a very dangerous clan. My brothers were fine with that, except me. I waited until I was legal (18 years old). I did two things that year, I registered for USA military service and returned to Barranquilla.
After I found out how Colombianas did not want anything to do with my Colombian injuns ass I did not return for 20 years and became a hippy and porked hundreds , possibly over a thousand of the most beautiful women in the planet, white gringas and Puerto Rican girls.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:22:

Mr. Defoque, I see that you are very piqued about my comment of not considering you a "real" Colombian. May I remind you that I offered thar comment as an answer to a direct question and I was not warning you, advising you, critizising you or even judging you by that statement. Moreover, I spoke as Desi, "regular poster", offering my own Very Humble Opinion about your cultural identity, how I saw it and not as Desi "The Big Bad Moderator". I would truly appreciate if you didn't try to confuse the issue and gain sympathies on false premises.

I have NOT ever censured you, sent you a warning, contacted you by e-mail, deleted your posts or edited your posts except ONE TIME DONE IN JEST and I reposted your post right back, so please, don't address yoir complain to me because I've had the patience of Santo Job with you, with the distaste that I have for many of your favorite topics, especially the negative light you always present Colombian women, my friends and my relatives (by marriage)and whom I appreciate very much and find your accusations of their behaviour totally out of line and very untrue.

COLOMBICHE,
once again you've come to my rescue amplifying and defining more precisely just what I meant with my comment of Mr.Defoque's cultural identity. Believe me, I know what you are talking about. I'm one of those hybrids with multiple identities myself, having spent most of my adult life away from my country of birth. Thank you for explaining this binational cultural identity issue so eloquently!.

Cheers,
Desi

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:23:

... Todays's sesame street was brought to you by the number 10 and the word: Diaspora.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:24:

Colombiche, I’m actually a very rare species. I grew very proud of my people and surrounding. Unlike many Colombians, I can’t just GO and blend in, I’m too damn injun. Even my own brother ridiculed my indianess.
Two days after arriving in NYC, I was around 10 years old. We went to live in a rental room. The apartment belonged to this Puerto Rican family, father, mother and 16 year old Newyorican son. The kid began bad mouthing Colombia specially going after me, for having such a third world look. His comments did not bother my brothers but bothered me. I picked up the butter knife and went to stab that modefoque in the neck and then the eye, but my older brother held me back.
We were never suppose to return to Colombia cus of some very crazy chit that happened between my dad and a very dangerous clan. My brothers were fine with that, except me. I waited until I was legal (18 years old). I did two things that year, I registered for USA military service and returned to Barranquilla.
After I found out how Colombianas did not want anything to do with my Colombian injuns ass I did not return for 20 years and became a hippy and porked hundreds , possibly over a thousand of the most beautiful women in the planet, white gringas and Puerto Rican girls.

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arfgoblue says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:25:

Desi... Could I be like you when I grow up? That is, able to compartmentalize my posts based on my "different personas" and just my general mood for the day?

In any case, I don´t think any "real Colombians" live as close to the North Pole! jajajaja

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:26:

sorry for the double post.
sorry for the double post.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:28:

esa colombiche como que me esta gustando mas y mas. You know something, i'll have a much better chance with a green eye colombiche than a kat. las blanquitas son mas curiosa

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:33:

Mr. arf go blue I was not talking about different personas, only different functions, meaning that I was not moderating Mr. Defoque. I only have my own composite persona, and no, you can't be like me when you grow up,because you don't have the right ingredients for that.

I've never claimed being Colombian, or even like Colombians. About the North Pole, there's a paisa who built a house right on the shore of the Arctic Ocean in Norway (at least that's what I think; I saw a house with a big sign: Casa de Carlos on it at the northernmost part of Norway, very close to the North Pole, much closer than I.

Cheers,
Desi
Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:33:

For Elmo diaspora: he dispersion or spreading of something that was originally localized (as a people or language or culture)

Elmo you are a Hibryd, a Diaspora a mutant.

Desi and your husband is Colombian.


Elmo on the picture above what is written on the t-shirt? Festival de orquestas 1984 , where?

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:38:

Mi vida, the only thing mutant about me is my right nut sack; it hangs down like 12 inches. jijjijji

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:38:

Last week in Bogota I was hanging around with a Canadian-raised friend who is a Guatemalan - she has the typical central american indian features. We were really dressed down because we had been travelling around a lot and getting no sleep. I was wearing sandals and old jeans and an arhuaco mochila, she was wearing joggers and runners. We went to all the "posh" shops at Andino mall. We walked into a high end shoe store and the girls who work there just stared us down and wouldn't come to our service, they kept fussin over these upper middle class gold jewellery wearing middle aged parrots who were trying on several pairs of shoes. I got so pissed they were ignoring my friend's request to try on shoes, damn, this girl makes big money working in the oil industry up north, she is a loaded injun.

Finally we called the girl over, she was snotty at first, but when she saw we were buying over half a million pesos worth of shoes she started kissing our butts.

From then on, my friend and I declared that night "rich injun" night. We went to all the hip bars and restaurants, threw our money around and had them fuss over us. Servers them right for being so classist. I apologized to my friend on behalf of my people.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:43:

mi reina, festival de orquestas is held every carnaval in curramba/barranquilla

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:47:

Colombiche but this is normal usually the way you dress and behave is the way they will treat you. remember many people judge a book by its cover sad but true.


Elmo I know but your t-shirt said something like Lorica? Planeta Rica?

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:48:

colombiche, now you know why i will always be guajiro, no matter where i go, no matter what i do and I would not want it any other way.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:51:

Elmo but Colombiche was ignored too according to his post, so is not because you have injun face, maybe because they were dress down.

I have seen many Colombians with Indio face dressing very smart and they don't have any problems at all.

Colombia is full of people with Indian feautures.

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:54:

I don't look pure injun But I look very colombian. Also, we weren't badly dressed, we were just casual and comfortable, and I guess we also look young. As far as our behaviour goes.. We are well behaved, polite, classy, seasoned, wordly ladies. No excuse for their silly behaviour.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:55:

tinto, i do look just like that modefoque. do you have any idea how many times i been told that on the subway? jijjij Erik "fokin" Estrada
well at least gringas love that look

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 07:59:

It is a silly behaviour Colombiche but unfortunately people is like that, you are very confident woman you know you got money to spend, so you go to any place they way you like, but some don't and people that works in those places think that rich people don't dress like that to go to a "posh place" not even going around Bogota. Remember they (shop assistants)come from lower backgrounds so they have this idea of what a rich should look like, if you were a gringo I mean blonde, blue eyes coming with another looking gringo, she would've think different and maybe would come and help you because we have this idea in Colombia that all gringos that go to Colombia dress badly, so we let them get away with it.

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:02:

That is what I told my friend I said "if we were blonde and our last name was Smith, we could be wearing shorts and birkenstocks with wool socks (with a hole on the big toe and a crusty toe nail poking out), sport unshaven legs, and these chicks would fuss over us".

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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webmanco says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:18:

Rigth on


So I have very little respect for this "worship me" cause I got money attitude I see here. In fact it makes me want to throw up!

I agree on that statement I would add, passport attitude, traveler attitude, been there attitude.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:20:

Wow!! I’m humbled by GB very in depth analysis, is right on the money. Thanks!!
Colombian society would love nothing more than to silence a modefoque like me, but I’ve learn a few thing living in the USA, it was not all about banging beautiful blondes.
.

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aztec says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:25:

If you act and dress like a tramp... ...you will be treated like one.


AND, Desideria a suggestion or a comment from you cannot be treated as just another poster. A suggestion or even a comment from a boss, cop, or any other leader becomes a comand.

For example, in my university even a casual comment from the President becomes an order as it moves down the organizational chain of command. Another would be a suggestion from the local mafia lord. Best not to ignore any of those comments.

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jorgeemir says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:26:

driving in Colombia Could anybody tell me what type of documentation is needed to drive a car in Colombia? Would my driver's license from Texas be enough? I appreciate any response/s.

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webmanco says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:31:

¨Colombian society would love nothing more than to silence a modefoque like me¨

I don´t thik the same way, Elmo don`t fool yourself, you are as colombian as you want to be. If you want to act as a foreigner go ahead, if you want to play Colombian much better.

By the way new cedulas are now being issued in Colombia.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:34:

Forget multilane highways and posh shops The most impressive thing about Colombia was the light in the eyes of the children who play ball and "chucha" on the steep dirt hills of this neighborhood.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:37:

Aztec I was by no means dressed like a tramp. My style was casual, but my clothes were good and well put together.

Webmanco, I don't think my cedula makes me colombian. What makes me colombian is something far less tangible than that.


I also don't think Elmo is acting like a foreigner. He is acting like himself - a colombian that was moved away at the age of 10 due to circumstances more powerful than him.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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webmanco says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:40:

The cedula information was aimed to Elmo If I am not mistaken he was complaining about not having it.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kalder says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:40:

Snr. Defoque I remarked on how handsome you were as a young man the other day, so I'll finish off the boost by recounting the following:

In the morning, while sitting on the crapper, I always read an essay from the comic writer David Sedaris (Time magazine declared him 'Humourist of the Year in 2001'). His style of writing puts me in mind of your posts: the humour is personal, observational and self-deprecating. You talk about sh*t and whores and f*cking donkeys; but you're never cruel and very often have a lot to say about the human condition.

My point is: I can genuinely imagine you making a go of it as a writer. Hone your skills, polish things up a bit and I can see you with an audience bigger than that provided by PBH.

Might even help pay for one or two of life's little luxuries...

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:41:

DG not all Colombians are like Elmo, I am Colombia I didn't come from a rich background neither my brother and he doesn't speak about Colombia and have a different view of Colombia the way elmo do, and he never been outside Colombia. I know Colombia has many faults but were just seeing one side in Elmo and not necesarily have to be just that one.

As I said before my dad never got it easy when he was young he was not as LUCKY as Elmo to go and live in the USA and have a good job because I am not stupid I know he does not CLEAN TOILETS, and even so my dad have a different view and aptitud about Colombia and even if he had a bad childhood he made it IN COLOMBIA and he is not bitter about anything of Colombia or talk to much rubbish.

Esanch some of those girls that work in those shopping center are from lower backgrounds and I have friends that work in the north and take them nearly an 1 and half to get home in Kennedy.

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webmanco says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:50:

Colombiche Anyone could had been taken from anywhere at any given age, but it is that persons decision (as a gronw up) to act the way he,she wants, but then it is not in position to critizice the part (he, she) chose not be part of.

Elmo as well could write a book ¨Porque te quiero de lejos¨.

Refering to the love to Colombia.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:56:

Elmo is so bitter about Colombia and its people, stop dwelling on the past, rich people, or Colombian women get over it, they don't care and never going to care, a rich person in Colombia could care less if you like them or not so the women.

You mention your mum left you when you were tiny, maybe from there you got a problem with women in general and see them objects.don't blame you really

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cali373 says on Jan 30, 2007, 08:59:

Colombiche are you a male or female?

Smile if you are a thinker!

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:00:

... Criticism is good. I don't think there is a country or society on this earth that is beyond criticism.

Criticism can be a catalyst to change and rectification. No society will ever improve if it is complacent in its ways.

It is close mindedness- the belief that you have to blindly follow a set of rules to be part of a given culture that scares the hell out of me.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:02:

Cali Last time I checked I was very much a female ;)

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:03:

hey colombiche, can i check too?

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:12:

i'm still waiting to find out if i'm allowed to discuss my tambora playing days in the streets of curramba.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:13:

I don't think seeing Colombia from a different light made me less Colombia, i am lucky enough to have travel a lot and see and compare other countries with Colombia, and can see it strenghs and weakness, something that a Colombian that never been able to go out of Colombia can do, they think that everything is wonderful and better outside Colombia when is not.

GB the problem is he does tend to generalized.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:18:

Elmo is VWERY LUCKY only a Elmo is VERY LUCKY only a bit bitter, well the elmo we see in PBH.

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:19:

Kat, colombians who never left colombia are split into two factions: those who think everything is better in "el extranjero" and those who think there is no life outside of Colombia.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:26:

Aztec, that comparison is pretty unfair. I'm volunteering my time to help Peter and Tinto to keep this forum civil; basically the cleaning lady here, not any maffia boss or president of your university. I don't wield any real power; all my decisions are based on the pre-established policy and a simple set of rules, set up by Peter the Man, any bigger clean-up jobs like canceling an account (banning) are always joint decisions.

I write a lot in this forum and 99,9% of it as a regular poster. When I'm moderating I always let you guys know, It's just like any other job; you have your job "persona" and your home "persona". The university lecturer better not continue being that at home to his own family...

Now back to Elmo Defoque;
I find this original post of yours pretty melodramatic and also very incorrect. I have never said that anybody has to be this or that to be able to participate in the threads here. Yet you make it sound like I was after your "Injun ass" and very unjustly you are making me something that I'm not. I'm not your baneman or your enemy or the boogeyman here. You want to write a thread about yourself and how you feel about your Colombianity fine, be my guest, but leave uncalled and false accusations regarding my moderation out of it.

Cheers,
Desi

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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webmanco says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:31:

Elmo

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Miguel says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:32:

Very interesting thread I am enjoying the comments to elmodofoque's OP from many of my favorite cast of characters on PBH/PBSH.

A couple or three observations:

You guys need to cut Desi some slack. When she posts as Desi, that's her heartfelt opinion. When she posts as Desi the moderator, that's the way it is. Learn to know the difference.

Colombiche's comment about colombianos living outside the country who have discovered "their voice" is one of the better comments I have read here.

kat1 and elmo have a love/ hate relationship, because elmodofoque is a slightly younger version of her corroncho dad. She and I have discussed this before.

DG/GIB was also quite impressive. At first I was thinking, "hey who is this new dude that seems to have Colombia wired down pat"?

Then I saw his typos and I knew it was him! JA JA DG, just fucking with you. Your comments are always appreciated.

En todo caso, elmodofoque y yo vamos a hablar de eso cuando estamos en La Troja en la semana que viene.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:32:

DG i didn't get the first part but who cares anyway, but as Desi said if he wants to write a thread about himself and his experience fine but he should not generalised, not only with women but in everything. maybe is not important to you because you are an American anyway.


Miguel he is younger version but without the bitter lemon anyway, my dad never talk about Colombian women that way o see them that way nor the rich.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:49:

we need a group hug with this thread too. kat, ponte al lao mio pa agarrate el jopo.
Off topic, the non Colombian song that most inspires my injun ass is a very old Cuban song my dad used to play "Guajira Guantanemera" that's what I’m listing to right now while i get ready to go off to my afternoon toilet cleaning duties

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Miguel says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:57:

'tonces kat1 Estoy equivocado...como siempre.

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aztec says on Jan 30, 2007, 09:58:

Desideria I would hope we can prevent... ...a cabal of intrigue and conspiracy composed of a few designing persons who hide in shadowy corners and exert insidious influence.

It might be too much to expect a site where freedom of expression is valued. I have already seen the influence of you and some others on another site ostensibly about Colombia.

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podborski says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:02:

one of my favourite musicians is Polo Montañez the cuban who was apparently unknown in cuba until discovered by a colombian who brought him to colombia where he became quite famous. Or so I was told by a cuban friend.

After that of course he became famous in cuba, so famous that many cubans have a cherished photo of him (sometimes posing with themselves) in their house.

I was in havana when Polo died, and people were crying in the streets.

Seems to me that lots of colombians like cuban music, more so than other LA countries? Shows very good taste I say. Musical tastes here in BsAs suck, IMHO.

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Swinn88 says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:15:

Keep it real Elmo. I like what you have to say, and you are colombian no less than any other person posting on this site regardless of how long you have lived in the U.S.. Say what you like about colombia if thats how you feel. Say what you like about Women if thats how you feel. Do you. Alot of U.S. Americans on this site that love to talk shit about the good ole U.S.of A. That doesn't make them any less U.S. American. As far as diaspora is concerned, it's a crock because if any of you believed that crap then you would be celebrating your italian ancestry, or african, or german, or dutch, or etc. The few injuns left in the country can one day claim it but the sad fact is that most of you can't. So keep on keepin it real Elmo and your colombian badass and to hell with the rest of the pretenders on this site.

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Miguel says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:17:

Polo That guy had such a beautiful voice, wrote great lyrics, and had a kick ass band.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:20:

ayy, Elmo I got to know you, when your cornered, you restored to offensive remarks, which i have learn to ignored, a palabras necias oidos sordos. But I hope we will meet one day, that will be my day!!!

Miguel the similarity between Elmo and my Dad are that they both Corronchos, and they kind off have a similar background, only that my dad was not lucky enough to be taken to the USA.he had to endure a very bad childhood that today would be classified as child abuse, he got to the top alone and not much help from family or goverment. today he is great lawyer, retired and happy with not resentment torwards anything nor the untie that treated him badly. because he was abandoned as a child too, and his dad die when he was very young.

My Dad didn't sh*g burras maybe because he was good looking guy so he didn't have to restore to that. women love him even so he was poor!!. he was very charismatic.

he is a vey nice man and respectful, he is no vulgar he doesn't need to do that to gain respect.the only country he is been outside Colombia is Ecuador, I took him and he felt so lucky, his dream is to get to know France or the UK, my mum and me are working on that.

that is why a guy that was taken to the USA, has a great job there, can go anywhere in the world if he wants is not considered himself ONE OF THE LUCKIEST MEN ALIVE!!!WITH OUT RESTORTING TO TOO MUCH RUBISH


He has some great post I must admit, the one about when he was in Hotel del prado I think, it did made me laugh. it was a good post, he is a good writer and he can be very funny when he doesn't put down people or is to vulgar.

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webmanco says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:36:

Better luck? Life?
¨my dad was not lucky enough to be taken to the USA¨

There are not bases to say your father would had better luck abroad.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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toneloc24 says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:40:

My two cents.... ...because I already see this thread being censored (oops, locked) very soon. There's a blue state/red state type of situation in play here, without question.

Elmo is 100% Colombian, whether in NYC or Barranquilla. He IS married to a 100% paisa from Poblado, for the time being anyway. His point of view, while skewed by experience, still holds a lot of weight here, as he is one of the few 100% Colombians on this site who did marry another 100% Colombian. Not a slight to anyone, just an absolute truth.

It wasn't because of LUCK that he ended up in the USA. It was because of.....dare I say, Colombian issues (cerca 1970s-1980s). These issues DIRECTLY visited upon his family. His dad got them outta there, to a "safer" place, NYC in the 19070s. LOL!!! Anyone who knows NYC in the 1970s will find the humor in that.

He will be in Barranquilla later this week, making his annual monthly pilgrimage for Carnaval. He will probably spend time with his mother and the rest of his large family, who exist up and down the "estata" system. Believe what you want about him. He fits into any setting. However, like myself, the so-called "upper-crust" is a little less comfortable than being with normal folks. No pretense, nor excuses.

The hookers and donkey stuff, while crude to some, believe it if you want. It does make for good humor, to those who understand it as only humor. It's like fart jokes. Some find it funny, some are repulsed. Oh well, such is life. Get over yourselves. It's just jokes!!!

at Colombiche - I've had the same experience as yours in a few of the mall stores. I won't get into it again on this board, as the blame the victim mentality already was imparted on you by some. And I wasn't dressed in sweats and sneakers. I got my clothes on my own, and headed to the cashier. When I pulled out the blue passport for identification at the cashier, attitudes changed. Both theirs and mine. Headed to the door after paying without acknowleding a single one of them.

There's only one Colombia in the minds of some. The one they live or lived in. Same can be said of pretty much any country. It's just hilarious to see it being played out on this board.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:42:

true, he could become like true Webmanco , he could become like ELMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (00)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:49:

by the way I am talking about the Elmo of PBH, i don't know the real Elmo, well just a bit and is totally different from the Elmo of PBH so I am comfortable to tell the Elmo of PBH to F** OFF, while the real Elmo name ..... not I won't said his name is a different story, I just want to said to him SORRY I OFFEND YOUR ELMO FROM PBH. GOT IT EVERYONE?


DG, Elmo can never be straightened, palo que nace torcido nunca se endereza.:)

BTW Sometime I do want to put a duct tape to both Elmos

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toneloc24 says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:49:

at Desi WE have no idea whether you are responding as Desi - regular poster, or Desi - moderator. Even if you post as regular poster, few will separate between the two.

If you're not going to make impartial posts, or based on YOUR experience, it's gonna be a difficult road ahead for you as a moderator.

People are already walking on eggshells around here. It's like being in a game with a referee with a short fuse, ready to red card or give a technical/personal foul at will. What kind of playing field is that?

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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Swinn88 says on Jan 30, 2007, 10:52:

Desi can create a new name to use as a regular poster, no? It's Fast and easy, and she doesnt have to change the name that much.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 30, 2007, 12:25:

Tone, be assured that I only post as a myself, the same Desi I was before I became moderator, I don't have any split personality and when I'm moderating you guys always know that. This is getting beyond hair-splitting ridiculous. How hard can that be? If I say "please edit your comment because it contains an ad hominem attack" that's clearly moderating. Id I say "hey, dow do you like lengua, asada o a la criolla?" clearly I'm not moderating.

Perhaps it would be better if I stopped explaining what I do and why, just continue posting as "myself" and zap you guys quietly in your sleep...

Cheers,
Desi

(BTW, theres absolutely no reason for anybody walk on eggshells. There hasn't been any more censorship done in this site lately than before, only more TALK about censorship. Much ado about nothing.)



Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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elmodefoque says on Jan 30, 2007, 12:26:

WEB, 5 years have passed since I began my process to obtain my cedula. Nothing yet!!
I’m sure I’m not alone, there must be copious number of native, black and very poor Colombians not born in hospitals, in the middle of nowhere with out any traceable paper work, and that’s my case. I might as well claim to be from fokin Timbuktu.
The only way I cold prove I was born in Colombia is stored in all places, American files. “Hope” a USA floating hospital treated my severe broken finger and they must have my real native name filed somewhere.

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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Colombiche says on Jan 30, 2007, 12:52:

Elmo I wasn't born in the colombian jungle and I had to wait 3 and a half years to get my cedula.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 30, 2007, 19:23:

Kat regarding Elmo: "maybe is not important to you because you are an American anyway." Yes, he is the probably the only REAL 100% American here. And like the rest of his tribes, they get dissed and dismissed at every opportunity. In Canada, in the US, in Mexico and in Central and South America.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 31, 2007, 05:38:

UC I wasn't referring to Elmo, for once *roll eyes*. ;)

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 31, 2007, 05:53:

Editing comments but still not locked.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 31, 2007, 06:01:

If you are referring to me UC I have not edited nothing at all.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 31, 2007, 06:12:

YEP ;)
YEP ;)

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elmodefoque says on Jan 31, 2007, 07:59:

"La Troja" in Barranquilla nojodaaaa!!! Feb. 16 and 17 after 9pm.
if not the there, the whore place righ next door. see yaaa!!!!

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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elmodefoque says on Jan 31, 2007, 08:11:

I apologize for the erroneous information. The WHORE/HOOKER establishment is located next to the chicken place which is next to “La Troja” therefore is two doors down from La Troja.
Hope to see you there.

ASK NOT WHAT THE PUSSY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PUSSY!!!!!!!!!! CAT LOVER

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 31, 2007, 11:06:

jijij
jijij

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cali373 says on Jan 31, 2007, 11:14:

Hey Kat1 what other South American countries have you been too.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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Peter Miami says on Jan 31, 2007, 11:31:

Elmo You are the man! How there they say you are not Colombian enough? We will take you in Miami anytime.

Peter Miami

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 31, 2007, 11:43:

cali373 Just Ecuador, I have been in Mexico, but that is central America. my best friend from school lives in Argentina, she invited me to go and see her I would love to but is finding the time, I would love to go to Argentina and see those Argentinos :) jeje


Elmo is been very quiet today? uhmmmmmmm very suspicious

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toneloc24 says on Jan 31, 2007, 12:18:

Kat1 He's headed to BAQ tomorrow for a month. Doubt if we'll be seeing much of him on this site during that time.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 31, 2007, 12:27:

I will miss him. (^^)
I will miss him. (^^)

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Peter Miami says on Jan 31, 2007, 12:36:

It will not be the same without him.

Peter Miami

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oldbongo says on Jan 31, 2007, 14:12:

well, kids.. the jak.."fiesta" is booked for the cartagena cruise for mid march.
you all know who's invited, so let's get our affairs in order, and be ready to get happy.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 31, 2007, 14:26:

I would love to go Oldbongo, but being so far away...impossible :( go and take that ship and sail here and pick me up jejej

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billyb says on Jan 31, 2007, 15:30:

Esanch, if you're under 26yo.... then your timeline is about right, if you are older than 26 and applying for a cedula for the first time, it will take about 2 years due to the fact that they have to make what they call a "technical investigation", to see if you've had a cedula already issued in another name or if there any legal matters pending against you.

BillyB

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strata2woman says on Jan 31, 2007, 16:06:

Modefoque, hermano, amigo del alma We are living on the 8th. We'll be at The Troja on the 15th and The Romulo Martinez on the 17th. Keep up the good work. You are the True Article.

Corroncha and proud of it!
En Barraquilla Me Quedo - El mejor vividero del mundo!!!

- "con sombrero vueltiao y abarcas de tres puntá"

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strata2woman says on Jan 31, 2007, 16:08:

Modefoque, hermano, amigo del alma We are living on the 8th. We'll be at The Troja on the 15th and The Romulo Martinez on the 17th. Let's get together at the Americana for some frozomalt. Keep up the good work. You are the True Article.

Corroncha and proud of it!
En Barraquilla Me Quedo - El mejor vividero del mundo!!!

- "con sombrero vueltiao y abarcas de tres puntá"

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oldbongo says on Jan 31, 2007, 16:27:

what??..kat??? you are bailing on the jak party???

no way jose....

oldbongo will send his pig over to fly you in for the day.

wait a minit, elmo has to confirm his awful presence tambien,
maybe he will be exhausted by then,
hope not,..... he owes oldbongo lunch.

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morphus says on Jan 31, 2007, 18:20:

I just got off the phone with Modefoque. I gave him some phone numbers of some white Colombianas that I know. Lets see how he does :)

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oldbongo says on Jan 31, 2007, 18:27:

isn't it amazing... elmo loves those white wide-glides like blondie..
and oldbongo goes for those slim palenqueras,
you got any numbers, morphus??

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morphus says on Jan 31, 2007, 18:39:

Also some dark ones :)

Also some dark ones :)

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morphus says on Jan 31, 2007, 18:41:

2 I hope they are his type.

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morphus says on Jan 31, 2007, 18:47:

Oldbongo, I like them slim too. To me, these girls are a little thick but Modefoque might think they are too skinny.

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morphus says on Jan 31, 2007, 18:51:

I like petite and I like tall leggy girls like these:

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 31, 2007, 22:48:

Mexico part of Central America? Last I heard it was part of North America.

I agree with you, Morphus. I like my women skinny and leggy.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 1, 2007, 02:13:

OH MY GOD MORPHUS , estamos graves!...


FOR ME THIS IS WHAT I CALL A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, SHE IS FROM BRAZIL I THINK BRAZIL HAVE STUNNING WOMEN

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goin_south says on Feb 1, 2007, 05:25:

Kat1 She's not....COLOMBIAN ENOUGH.

Keep the photos coming, morph. That lady looks TOO GRINGA. Suddenly, I'm disappointed in your CHOICE OF LADIES, Kat.

dos pesos mio,... pequito de nada

Where do we go from here?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 1, 2007, 06:43:

THAT Brazilian is stunning!!!
only too far away for you league

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morphus says on Feb 1, 2007, 15:41:

Kat1, she does'nt have that slutty quality that Modefoque likes.

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morphus says on Feb 1, 2007, 15:42:

Anyway, she's all made up. People can be fooled by that.

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love2colombia says on Feb 1, 2007, 16:28:

BEAUTIFUL COLOMBIAN WOMAN

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Colombiano_81 says on Feb 1, 2007, 17:20:

mm..nice pics....Myself i also have a certain preference for women with those slutty qualities...i think it growing up in the exterior that does that to you

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 1, 2007, 21:49:

I like a lady in the street and a slut in the bedroom.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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goin_south says on Feb 1, 2007, 23:14:

lady in the living room bitch in the bedroom!

dos pesos mio,... pequito de nada

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Feb 1, 2007, 23:16:

that brazilian b*tch is cold, Kat stunningly Kold.

dos pesos mio,... pequito de nada

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Feb 1, 2007, 23:19:

Out of my (bush) league? She's not even in my CONFERENCE.

dos pesos mio,... pequito de nada

Where do we go from here?

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aztec says on Feb 2, 2007, 07:23:

my girlfriend... DonGringo, Right!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 2, 2007, 07:56:

UHMM DG I don't think she likes cheap places.

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Colombiche says on Feb 2, 2007, 09:06:

dp ......

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Feb 2, 2007, 09:07:

Lo de la cedula es pura paja yo la pedi a los 23 y miren.... acaba de llegar hace unos dias al consulado.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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goin_south says on Feb 2, 2007, 10:44:

Kat, that girl looks so cold,... she looks british. she would improve herself, with a nice smile, like so many Colombianas have the best smiles in the world!

dos pesos mio,... pequito de nada

Where do we go from here?

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morphus says on Feb 3, 2007, 07:27:

Its funny how the latinas that look the most European get the most attention.

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aztec says on Feb 4, 2007, 05:45:

utopiacowboy, sure about that? "Mexico part of Central America? Last I heard it was part of North America."

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 4, 2007, 07:16:

Yes, I am. Actually some people include Central America as part of North America as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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morphus says on Feb 4, 2007, 17:03:

lol PWI

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greg says on Feb 4, 2007, 19:59:

Adriana Lima I agree with Kat. Adriana Lima is GORGEOUS. She has a beautiful,sexy smile. Who cares where she is from? Look forward to getting my next Victorias Secret catalog in the mail.

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morphus says on Feb 4, 2007, 20:22:

Nice body but does she do a good beso negro? How does Kat1 know what a man really wants? Has she been sexually active with women? She's probably the one getting all the besos negros...lol

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morphus says on Feb 4, 2007, 20:29:

Muy flaca!

Muy flaca!

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love2colombia says on Feb 5, 2007, 15:48:

Colombiana

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love2colombia says on Feb 5, 2007, 15:54:

Martha Lucia Restrepo

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love2colombia says on Feb 5, 2007, 16:11:

Claudia Bahamon y Adriana Arboleda Backstage Studio F

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johnarizona says on Feb 19, 2007, 15:56:

Morphs girl look great! and I stuff the one in yellow into my mouth! Kat's girl too serious...maybe a full body shot? I think Elmo posts on here because he loves Colombia and that's good enough for me. Love his insight!

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