Not Colombia, BUT... Close to 'Home', and Relates to the Tide of Anti-Americanism.... This Needs to Be Read by Those... Goin_South:

Dolfi says on Jul 6, 2007, 00:51:

Because in Colombia the us-friendly government would have intervened. Which does not mean that americans are more popular in Colombia than in Nicaragua.

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goin_south says on Jul 6, 2007, 00:57:

Interesting... and, F*q'd:

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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scotty says on Jul 6, 2007, 01:08:

goin_south i saw that story on one of the documentary channels a few weeks ago. first nicaragua is very socialist almost communist country and the people in general don't care for americans. Second watching that documentary showed what the legal system is like in many other countries (screwed up). Third even though there are some people in Colombia that do not like Americans i can't see something like that happening there and also as Dolfi stated Colombia is a US friendly country and the goverment would steo in before it went as far as it did in Nicaragua.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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kalder says on Jul 6, 2007, 01:33:

"We had wondered, before we arrived if Volz was in some sense a stand-in for Nicaraguan anger at America."

I wouldn't be surprised. 'America' is an abstract bogeyman for a lot of people. They project all their own inner fears, insecurities and inadequacies onto it- like children blaming everyone and everything else when something goes wrong.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Jul 6, 2007, 01:45:

We -UK, US, Aus, Canada and a few allies- are the ones who give a sh*t. That's why they resent us. We show them up for the corrupt, violent, human-rights abusing criminals they all too often are.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 6, 2007, 02:22:

well in all honesty if i was a nicaraguan peasant I woud probably hate the states and be the most antiamerican person ever. The us financed the contra, who killed people, raped women, kidnapped children, without any regard for the Nicaraguan people, or what they wanted. The US was allied with an illegitimate and brutal regime just because they thought it was smart to prevent communist contagion...Nicaragua hasnt recovered from any of that and they are the pariahs of central america. Shit I think they have more than enough reasons to be anti american, that said, if the guy is indeed innocent then that is a tragedy...but then again jails are full of innocent people.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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kalder says on Jul 6, 2007, 02:43:

But Volz isn't the US government of the 80s. To treat him as if he were some sort of avatar or proxy of Reagan or Olly North is as absurdly childish as it is wicked. The British government doesn't go around terrorising German businessmen because the Nazis firebombed the East End. Rising above that sort of tit-for-tat absurdity is one of the things that makes a nation civilised.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 6, 2007, 02:53:

Yes, Kalder but in your example of Britain and Germany this was made possible in part because Britain managed to be rebuild and leave that in the past. If you go to Nicaragua you still see the destruction of 20 years ago, the same dilapidated buildings, the same old roads. How can you put the past behind when youre surrounded by the misery this helped create? I agree when you say its absurd, but you have to take into account that Nicaragua, unlike any first world nation has not had the chance to put it behind and rise above it, because it is permanently there.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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scotty says on Jul 6, 2007, 03:14:

CK the dilapidated buildings and dirt roads are not the doing of the USA. Nicaragua has always had that before the USA and now after the USA. Many countries in Central America and indeed all over the world have dilapidated buildings and dirt roads, you can't blame the US for everything.
I think alot of these countries blame the US because they are envious, who else should they blame all their neighboring countries live the same way as they do.
We are in a time in history where there is alot of envy and jealousy going around, many countries/peoples are suffering around the world but you can't blame all that on the US, much of it in fact most of it is caused within their own country and goverments.
Its easy for someone to stand up and say look at the US look what they did to cause this or that weather they did it yesterday or 200 years ago its the USA's fault. However, you seldom hear people stand up and say look at all the good things the US did, all the times we have sacrificed our men and women in battle or the many many times we have aent aid to needy countries, all kinds of aid from food to medicine to engineering to technology. Anytime there is a catastrophy we are there with aid, we have even offered aid to countries that want us dead. So if you want to go around blaming US for every negative thing that happens go ahead but try to occasionally recall all the good things we have done.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 6, 2007, 03:34:

Scotty I dont know if you have ever lived in central america, or even been there on a holiday. You cant say all central american countries are in a simillar situation...if they were, how do you explain the million nicaraguans living in Costa Rica?
I am not saying Nicaragua had skyscrappers and autobahns prior to the contras, yes there has always been poverty, yes there have always been dirt roads, but you cant possibly compare pre war nicaragua to now...or ignore the legacy of the conflict in every sphere of society.
Do you really expect nicaraguans to welcome americans with open arms knowing that they helped fuel a war that left each family in the country with 1 less member? Knowing that the misery most live in is a direct result of the war? I am sure that to you, who I presume is lucky enough to eat three meals a day and not worry that someone might just come and kill you, this is just a war extrenality. But coming here to say that just because they were not developed enough prior to the war they have no right to resent american intrusion to their sovereingty is ludicrous.
Are they envious of the states? Sure, most developing states are. But that doesnt mean that their anti americanism is unfounded. Yes this happened 20 years ago so what? Developed nations can buy the illusion of happiness, but poorer nations cant.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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scotty says on Jul 6, 2007, 04:29:

thats right CK blame America, get in line take a number and when its your tuen you can blame the USA for whatever it is thats bugging you.
I think nicaragua was third world long before the Us arrive and it still is third world probably always will be. Costa Rica is rockin and rollin, why because theres a whole bunch of Americans there, Panama, same thing is happening American influence and the place is growing like crazy. Mexico Walmart goes down there and what happens thousands of mexicans have work and an income to feed their families. We are so bad but everywhere we go people prosper. We build manufacturing and technology we invest in countries and they prosper. Why do you think so many countries want to work with us, why they want our investments, they want our touism, they want our dollars, they want our technology. The countries that hate us and dont want what we have to offer are suffering North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Nicaragua, etc
You asked if i care if Nicaragua welcomes us, no I dont care. They are going the way of Chavez i wish them luck but i think they are making a big mistake in the way they have chosen.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 6, 2007, 05:33:

First of all i think your argument is very very poor, first you say all central america is the same thing, now you acknowledge it isnt. Then you say Nicaraguans hate the US, have you been to Nicaragua? Have you been ill treated? I dont think anyone here has said that...if you read the OP I believe the reporter mentions s/he was well treated and I never said Nicaraguans hated the US.
On the other hand, if you really believe that American corporations have these little countries prospering out of good will think again, whatever the US is investing in these countries is benefiting the US more than anyone else so please dont ask the world to thank the US for all this "charity" work...The fact that they are growing slowly doesnt mean they cant dissent. I am still at odds when trying to come up with a single significant positive thing the US has done for either Nicaragua or El Salvador, maybe you can help me out with that. Since your perception is so different to mine i can only assume you know something I dont...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Lowell says on Jul 6, 2007, 07:37:

SO TRUE = "Just keep it in mind your always going to be wrong. ;)" . That goes with family, aquaintances, public, business, children......and you will alway be held to a much higher standard of behavior that the locals. Like I really care!

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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kalder says on Jul 6, 2007, 07:39:

It must be quite an isolating experience though. Being continually held up to that higher standard would take its toll on me.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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paisa29 says on Jul 6, 2007, 10:49:

Scotty...
You have asked the same thing in some threads, now I´m asking you the same:

WHATS THIS GOT TO DO WITH COLOMBIA?

scotty says on Friday July 6th, 2007 3:14:

CK the dilapidated buildings and dirt roads are not the doing of the USA. Nicaragua has always had that before the USA and now after the USA. Many countries in Central America and indeed all over the world have dilapidated buildings and dirt roads, you can't blame the US for everything.
I think alot of these countries blame the US because they are envious, who else should they blame all their neighboring countries live the same way as they do.
We are in a time in history where there is alot of envy and jealousy going around, many countries/peoples are suffering around the world but you can't blame all that on the US, much of it in fact most of it is caused within their own country and goverments.
Its easy for someone to stand up and say look at the US look what they did to cause this or that weather they did it yesterday or 200 years ago its the USA's fault. However, you seldom hear people stand up and say look at all the good things the US did, all the times we have sacrificed our men and women in battle or the many many times we have aent aid to needy countries, all kinds of aid from food to medicine to engineering to technology. Anytime there is a catastrophy we are there with aid, we have even offered aid to countries that want us dead. So if you want to go around blaming US for every negative thing that happens go ahead but try to occasionally recall all the good things we have done.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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scott321 says on Jul 6, 2007, 12:04:

Wow nothing like a bunch of conjecture by a bunch of people who dont live in Nicaragua. I have lived in Nicaragua for the last 7 years and have come upon very little anti americanism. Probably saw more when I lived in Boulder Colorado.
The Eric Volz case was a very emotional case and the town of SJ Del Sur wanted justice at any cost. It was a mob lynching. The judge was so scared she found him guilty being afraid for her own safety.
The justice system here is absolutely corrupt and pathetic. Are most of the people here anti American. Absolutely not most would love to live in the USA and have relatives or friends there. Is there allot of jealousy for our education and financial means. Absolutely.

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miamimike says on Jul 6, 2007, 12:51:

Scotty-There you go again! A few weeks back you made the statement along the lines "Mexico is A Shithole" without qualifying your statement! I believe also in the same post or another one, you stated you have NEVER been there to Mexico yet you were qualified to make the staement. Then it was dissing Venezuela(many many times) even though by your own addmission, you have never been to that Country either,,, Now its Nicaragua and I have to ask again, like I did when you made the derogatory statement on Mexico, WHAT part of Nicaragua have you actually been to, When was it and How long were you on these Trips to Nicaragua if you were actually there?? Your credibility is tanking Scotty by a preponderance of the evidence or lack of it,,,Take a few months off Scotty and travel to these Countries "Boots on the ground" and come back and tell us what you have actually seen, actually experienced and how you were mistreated.

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bueno_pues says on Jul 6, 2007, 16:51:

Muerte para los gringos.

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slguy says on Jul 6, 2007, 16:53:

I can't help but wonder what sort of Utopia Nicaragua would be today, if it weren't for the big bad US bullies of the 80's.....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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podborski says on Jul 9, 2007, 07:47:

I have 2 big fears living in S.A. One is being run over by a maniac driver, the other is being screwed over by a completely inept and corrupt justice system.

I would hate to be in any kind of legal trouble down here, (even though I admit I might be completely wrong about just how bad the justice systems are, but they sure look bad)

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 9, 2007, 23:44:

Street justice is an interesting dichotomy for me Rubito. It goes against everything that I have been taught (Criminology degree as well as upbringing), yet I have this little place inside that thinks there are appropriate times for street justice. An uncle rapes your daughter in Colombia - the police aren't involved. But there will also be one less tio in 3 days.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 10, 2007, 00:07:

Too bad, So Sad, See ya Eric V....wouldnt want to be yaaaaaaaaaaa.....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 10, 2007, 01:19:

Do you think he is guilty MC? I saw the program a couple of weeks ago, and he sure seemed innocent to me. It would be one of my worse nightmares to be accused of something I didn't do, and then to have a whole community ready to lynch me. Pretty scary stuff.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 10, 2007, 01:42:

Well, i certainly would not put any faith in the media, nor the suspects family speculation, that is for sure.....what is in print or in media format is rarely close to the truth.....and would you expect anything different from the family and their obviously biased agenda? now, granted the Nicaraguan court system is a mess, according to some, but with the international attention i would think they would be in a CYA mode....every Tomas, Ricardo, and Harry will pronounce a verdict as they see fit......but to conclude something based on a snippet of what is available via the internet is clearly retarded, IMHO......Once a person has ALL the facts placed in front of them, then make a determination....that is the whole idea behind trials etc.....either way, i certainly would not want to be him, either guilty or innocent.....and, it would not be the first time a jealous former boyfriend finds out about a new boyfriend and whacks one or the other or both.....Machismo in all its glory is to blame...oh, and the suspect, although a "gringo american" sures doesnt look it, after viewing the video...if that was him in the flack vest in front of the judge, and in the still photo carrying the casket.....without examing his shoulders up close, i would guess that those are scratch marks on his shoulder, and not carrying the casket.....but, only conjecture.....i put ZERO credence in Trial by Media or Trial by Popular Opinion/Poll.....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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sancocho1 says on Jul 10, 2007, 03:22:

gringos think there god they feel everywere they go you have to bow down and kiss there ass and in third word country they think there above the law well look at my picture on my account thats my opinnion .

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gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Jul 10, 2007, 07:27:

the prosecutor and judge were both women.....

a recent female poster here accused total strangers whom she never met of being pedophiles and sex tourists.........

Is estrogen an hallucinogenic drug??

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goin_south says on Jul 10, 2007, 21:46:

hey sancocho1, that's not true... so stick that big one UP YOURS. jejee

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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scotty says on Jul 21, 2007, 06:01:

paisa29, i didnt start the thread, i just jumped in and gave my 2 cents worth. you need to be asking the person who started the thread. thank you very much

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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scotty says on Jul 21, 2007, 06:04:

scott321 you post is right on target. great post.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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scotty says on Jul 21, 2007, 06:16:

MM are you confusing me with someone else or just wishful thinking. Would you please show me any post i made where i said i had not been to Mexico. infact if you bothered to look at my list of countires that i have been to you will see mexico listed. thank you.
i knock the venezuelan leader chavez all the time but i have never met him, does that mean i cant have my opinion? you slam Bush all the time have you met Bush?I know Rosie Odonell is a fat, ugly, dyke, anti american creep but ive never met her either.
what a stupid statement that someone has to actually go to a place or know a person to make an opinion...bullshit!
its not my credibility thats hurting its yours because you are trying to make something out of nothing, you are a typical lib, when libs start losing or feeling uncomfortable they start the personal attacks on the person instead of the subject at hand.
i think you are hurting your crediblity.
I never said Nicaraguans mistreaded people??? are you sure you arent mixing me up with someone else, have you crossed different posts?
i know your game MM, you are anti Bush, anti- america and very pro communism, you support Chavez, castro and the nicaraguans. So every opportunity you get to attack someone like me who is Pro America you do it. you use all the very old liberal tricks but it aint working for you because i basically ignore most of what you say.
thank you very much comrade

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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bueno_pues says on Jul 21, 2007, 07:28:

Bush no es el igual de los EEUU. Odio Bush por que el es el enemigo de la gente de los EEUU.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 21, 2007, 11:55:

Mr Potatohead Too Far Right is going to put you on the girly-man Ignore Button list if you dont change your evil ways MiamiMike....!!!! .....jajajja.....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Monpirri says on Jul 22, 2007, 16:39:

Bush is a friend of Colombia so he is my friend of mine, hahahhaha
In fact, I'm about to call him right at this moment to ask him if I can borrow his ranch again to throw another pajama party.

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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rhydewithdis (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 18, 2007, 15:21:

Man Profiled in WSJ Is Freed In Nicaraguan Murder Case

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119792299608334695.html

They said I couldn't play football I was too small / They say I couldn't play basketball I wasn't tall / They say I couldn't play baseball at all / And now everyday of my life I ball.

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