No trabajo para ella

vicshere says on Feb 19, 2007, 20:31:

this type of behavior is total bullshit...I hope all the dirty politicians get strung up.....this behavior is ramped to...you work for a politicians then the politicians wins and he spends his time trying to pay back favors...while he steals the coffers of the people this country really needs a shake up in politicians....no wonder the people don't have proper government programs the money never makes it that far ....dirty bastards




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goin_south says on Feb 20, 2007, 00:42:

the same stuff goes on right here in our own back yard. or, kitchen. Bedroom?

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goin_south says on Feb 20, 2007, 00:44:

No trabajo para ella You threw me, with the title; I thought all your posts were going to be in the 'solo en espanol' from now on.

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vicshere says on Feb 20, 2007, 05:22:

yes rubito we have a lots of government programs here in Colombia that help the rich.....back in Canada its called stealing....but programs for the poor...go ahead start your list I really would like to know which ones they are


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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 20, 2007, 05:32:

Caught or not caught in an scandal this is what we call Politician promises, and UC, your wife's family should know better, Politician promise you the earth while they are campaining and if they win, they don't want to know about you anymore, you just being used :) and their promises were just a dream

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miamimike says on Feb 20, 2007, 05:49:

Thats a Practice Guarenteed Not To Place The Best Qualified Candidate for the job in the job,,,,its another reason the country never moves forward, all these political crony positions. Its one of the Anchors in the Business cycle and fact of life in the colombian culture and when the Goverment Itself gets serious about Curruption, they will institute Civil Service Testing and security for all government positions,,,

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southern151 says on Feb 20, 2007, 05:59:

This is not all on the politician... This is further evidence that you only have yourself to rely on in life. This kind of thing happens all over the world. People are too dependant on others. If you want something, get it yourself.

Counting on someone else(especially in the political arena) is counting on disappointment. It is just a fact of life.

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juanalejo says on Feb 20, 2007, 06:46:

Great Relief I not only feel quite a relief of having these guys investigated (regardless of the outcome) but also to see those people who suck on corruption (and who are as corrupt themselves) feeling the strain of their cacique loosing power.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 20, 2007, 07:04:

If you have the "right" politician on your side you have the right "Palanca" for all of your family.

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vicshere says on Feb 20, 2007, 07:19:

Palanca is just another form of corruption...and people you use palanca should be treated the same as those corrupt politicians

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vicshere says on Feb 20, 2007, 08:03:

whats RTFF really those programs exist.....actually I have yet to see that here in Buca. or anything similar ..... maybe Colombians are to proud to accept these hand outs

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goin_south says on Feb 20, 2007, 08:03:

Southern151, you appear to be a good Southern Republican! That's right. Don't count on government hand-outs, and all those other forms of socialism. Take care of yourself, your family, your mom/dad and kids. Do it respectably, while maintaining the dignity of others,(it's what the politicians don't do), and at the end, I imagine you'll feel pretty good about your life.

PALANCA... as far as my dictionary would indicate, is what everyone here is always explaining and complaining about the CORPORATE WORLD: LEVERAGE; USE OF A CROWBAR; SOMETHING TO DO WITH FORCE AND POWER.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 20, 2007, 08:45:

Rubiot there are some help Rubito there are some help from the goverment but not everybody in low Income gets that help unfortunately, food stamp never heard of them, maybe is something new.


I know that exists the Sisben, but poor families have to register to get this help.

more about it

http://www.dnp.gov.co/paginas_detalle.aspx?idp=589

another one is the ICBF this help specially the children they supplied schools with free meals for the poorest kids. but as I said not many people know about it or get this help.

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goin_south says on Feb 20, 2007, 09:04:

Palanca is a lil bit of this: HE WHO HAS THE GOLD, MAKES THE RULES.
AND, IF SHE KNOWS THE 'RIGHT' PEOPLE, SHE CAN BREAK THOSE RULES, IF NECESSARY.
'she', not referring to UTC's mother-in-law, but only being used to appease those who believe in equal whatever.

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huskie says on Feb 20, 2007, 09:05:

Dirty Politics I hope they investigate everyone who's involved in all the scandals and put them in a nice comfortable Jail, and is not B***s, Mr Rubito. I do not think you are Colombian, therefore it does not affect you in any way, sure you are entitled to your own opinion, but all of this kind of stuff in really ruining Colombia's reputation, which for a while seemed to be better. No BS here. I do not care about what other countries do with their corruption, I only care about Colombias.
Cheers!!!

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goin_south says on Feb 20, 2007, 09:09:

Since I don't watch tv, can someone tell me the extent... Are the things we are reading and talking about here on pbH the past few days, with the scandals and cover-ups... is this all making alot of international news?

Enough to stem that tide of increased tourist influx, that Colombia experienced last year?

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huskie says on Feb 20, 2007, 09:20:

!Does not have to be on TV The info is all over the news if you do some research. TV news are only talking about ANNA NICOLE's garbage!!!!
Cheers

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goin_south says on Feb 20, 2007, 09:37:

huskie, I asked, about ... if it's on INTERNATIONAL NEWS You might not believe it; I didn't even know WTF anna nicole was until after someone came into my office last friday or whenever, and told me she died; I was, like....Who? Who is/was that?

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vicshere says on Feb 20, 2007, 09:58:

hey Rubito go RTFF yourself

and huskie i think your right on about Rubito



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huskie says on Feb 20, 2007, 10:56:

Hey Rubito By the way what is RTFF or RTFM? Are you calling me names?
sniff sniff (lol)
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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 20, 2007, 12:12:

Hmmmm? Colombianmike claimed he was a guy driving a moto taxi for a living when not writing for foreign newspapers, then he moved to the worker's paradise of North Korea. Now, the new member Vallenato5 is complaining about the "mayor here in Valledupar is her cousin,and the one who lets you drive a motto only two days of the week,as he gets a pay off from the taxis and busettes."

Coincidence?

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 20, 2007, 12:14:

About the topic "Live by the palanca, die by the palanca," I say.

Maybe UC's suegra should ask for a mordida refund.

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goin_south says on Feb 20, 2007, 13:07:

Is this news of the scandals in Colombia on CNN Headline News? or, something other like that? Is it on Caracol or whatever that spanish channel is in the usa? Is it in USA TODAY newspaper? All I know, is I haven't seen a blurb on the msn home page, but I only glance at that, as well. (I try to limit the negative influences in my life to a lil bit of pbsh, lol)

But, I am only trying to find out if this is BIG NEWS, OUTSIDE OF COLOMBIA, or if it is only bits and pieces, here and there, and THERE IS ...only...ALOT HERE ABOUT IT, ON PBH, and because PBH is somewhat like a newspaper. Focus on alot of slimey stories and topics. So, is this news of the scandals going to drive people away from Colombia? People who might have been thinking of making a first trip? and, now....maybe not?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 20, 2007, 14:34:

Mr Hollywood wrote "Live by the palanca, die by the palanca," I say.
Uhm very wise words.. jejej

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elchantajista says on Feb 20, 2007, 14:38:

RTFF RTFM Read the f at #king forum or read the f$#king manuel?? lol

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elchantajista says on Feb 20, 2007, 14:45:

RTFF RTFM Read the f at #king forum or read the f$#king manuel?? lol

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poco says on Feb 20, 2007, 15:46:

Just not true no wonder the people don't have proper government programs the money never makes it that far

Horrible thought, can you believe it !!!! Politicians saying they will help the poor if they get elected. A bunch of nuts,, those guys should be helping someone with MONEY but no --- a bunch of dummies,, they are making promises to help people with no money.

GET A GRIP on REALITY

Statements abound about how the government does not help and steals money destined for the poor. I have no numbers on the stealing but I do know CONSIDERABLE help for the poor is available where I live.

Valle Cauca (Cali area) has NUMEROUS ongoing programs to help with housing and housing improvement. It appears these are primarily in education and housing to KEEP people from moving to the cities or make it more attractive for them to live outside the cities.

TWO new educational facilities have been completed in the last two years and AT LEAST two NEW housing projects for the poor have started. One has completed half a dozen houses and the other just started the underground.

These projects ARE NOT FREE but the expense is so low that they might as well be free.

I've been impressed with what I've witnessed over the years. In addition there is a lot of LOCAL help provided by individuals. One location sells arepas and empanadas. Dozens of women provide the ingredients and prepare the food. The profits are used to help extremely poor women obtain housing. Oh, where do they get HOUSING ? Could it be the government initiated housing ?

You guys need to get your facts straight. Lots of poor folks are extremely lucky, that someone is doing something and not just "bitching" on the internet.

Housing project under construction

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miamimike says on Feb 20, 2007, 19:00:

Look At Jimmy Carter and His Habitat for Humanity as a Good Private program whose consortium has built 1000s of homes for the poor(with their help of course-read not a government Freebie). Not sure if they are in Colombia but in many countries of the Americas they are quite active,,,

They are(Habitat for humanity) in fact active in Colombia since 1991,,,

http://www.habitat.org/intl/lac/46.aspx

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 20, 2007, 21:35:

My mother-in-law is an inveterate wheeler and dealer so I doubt that this is going to set her back much. I think politics is kind of a sport for her as it is for many politicos. Who knows? Maybe a little public good comes out of it as well. My wife is quite cynical about politics seeing all politicians as corrupt.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 20, 2007, 22:15:

Rubito, people are lining up to buy a a home "de interés social" in Cali. With the interest rates still low and the facility of acquiring a home with as little as 5 million pesos down these projects are extremely popular. That's the fastest growing sector in the real estate market in Cali at this moment. That much about your theory.

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vicshere says on Feb 21, 2007, 05:38:

these homes your talking about...you really think they are for the real poor.....no way let me tell you those homes are bought by people who have money......and many times a person without a job for example will buy a house for some one with money....the guy will live in the house free until the real owner can sell the house and double up....by the way you can only apply once in a lifetime to buy a government assisted house......so once you name is used your out of luck next time....here's an example...... about 3 years ago there was a big flood in Giron and many people lost their homes......these government programs promised to build them new homes ....guess what they all are still living in their make shift tin can homes just up from the river.....the government did build some homes but I don't see those people moving out of the tin cans.....hummm wonder what is up with that.....I want to see real programs for the poor....because every day I see real poor people eating out of garbage cans...real people going through my garbage looking for scrapes of food... real people living on the side walk everywhere....I see what looks like very intelligent people selling gum to drivers...I see children selling everything everywhere.....I see kids selling their body so they can live......I see the real old man who sleeps at the stop light and raises his hand up so people can drop money in his hand......I see disabled people everywhere asking for money....man I see shit like this every day....so don't tell me the government has programs to help the poor....you guys don't even live here you don't get to see the real Colombia ...come you guys wake up.....again I repeat the government has programs to help themselves and the rich....the poor can eat shit


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JMCana says on Feb 21, 2007, 07:02:

Action and Enforcement I have read many good laws and help for Colombian citizens. You can go around the country and see many of them working well. But you hit areas where indeed they are not working well. The reason could be corruption or interpretations by the local official. The problem is that all too often the local official is the almighty in his area and there is lack of enforcement of the law by state and national officials.

In one small town I talked to a lady with a problem of enforcement of a clearly written and worded law. Her complaint to the police commandante was answered by his remark of, "I do not wish to complicate my life by enforcing any law the mayor does not agree with."

In another pueblo federal money for helping the poor with education expenses did indeed help many small children (ages 5 to 10 years) get to school and have uniforms. When one resident moved to a town on the other side of the mountain, but in the same state, she noticed the children of that age needed help and did discover that the money had been allocated to that town as well. However when approaching the mayor about it, he said that in his opinion the money would be better spend on helping older students and none should be applied to younger students.

A mayor in a small town opened a stadium that did not meet the plans approved by the planning commission and breaks 6 local and national laws. In other cities and towns such stadiums have been shut down and demolished. In this one the two years of complaints by citizens have been answered by loss of papers, finger pointing, lack of action and fraudulent reports by the same departments that shut down the stadiums in other places.

Colombia has some wonderful laws and help for the poor and all their citizens. However it appears that the implementation is at the discretion of local authorities operating under impunity from governmental watchdog groups that seem capable of being influenced.

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JMCana says on Feb 21, 2007, 08:06:

Interesting quote In terms of what this thread has been discussing, I found the following quote from an article.

"The computer's contents also incriminate a number of politicians, particularly in the northern state of Sucre, as being patrons of local paramilitary bosses, and describe scams in which the paramilitaries stole state funds from local health services."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/20/america/LA_GEN_Colombia_Paramilitaries.php

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 21, 2007, 09:00:

One other point On the subject of the government assistance to the poor in Colombia. It does exist and it does actually help some people, but it's also worth noting how BAD the magnitude of poverty is in Colombia. Let's just use a fairly conservative estimate of 2 million people displaced by the conflict over the last 10 years. That's more than 5% of the entire population of the country having essentially lost their homes and livelyhoods. And that's just the desplazados, not the 50% of people living below the poverty line.

Now just imagine what it would be like in the US if the same percentage of folks were displaced? One look at the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina tells us it wouldn't be pretty.

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vicshere says on Feb 21, 2007, 09:03:

Rubito man read my post again...I don't give a shit about Canada or the US...we are speaking about miss used government funds here in Colombia...I never said there was no poor in Canada.....and further more how can you compare any type of government assistance or social welfare in north America to those of Colombia....come on give me a break....and by the way bud I came from a very poor immigrate family who didn't have 2 cents to rub together......I remember eating 3-4 day old dry bread soak it milk for breakfast.......so don't tell me about a spoiled life...you don't know me bud and don't even think that you can know who I am or who I was.....

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poco says on Feb 21, 2007, 12:18:

I know more than you do I remember eating 3-4 day old dry bread soak it milk for breakfast

I can remember eating day old Twinkies and I wasn't fortunate enough to have milk.

Fried and with a glass of milk I'd have been in chicken heaven. Who says the good ole days were all that good ?

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poco says on Feb 21, 2007, 14:10:

That's more like it !! The sheer quantity of people in need in Colombia makes it impossible to help all of them at once.

I remember emlo post where he said "My parents were envious of those people who could afford to live in an estrato "1" home"

With limited funds do you help people who are both lazy and incompetent (and probably on drugs) or someone who is working as a sub-standard wage earner and needs help ?

Colombia has impressive public educational programs but there is a problem. U.C. posted several years ago that his wife had met ONLY ONE PERSON that attended public schools that had a University Degree.

I was HIGHLY suspicious because I'd been in the public schools and the girl I'm with has two kids attending public school. I'd also hired public school teachers to tutor the kids when they had problems with a subject. Nothing wrong with the teachers or the subject matter they were TRYING TO TEACH.

Unfortunately U.C. was correct. Less than 5% of those attending public schools move on to a University and graduate. I'm thinking 2 or 3 percent.

Now I understand that millions of school aged children don't take advantage of schooling, don't study, disrupt the class, cut classes and believe school is something they need to endure. Large numbers that have this advantage will NOT finish High School.

Another 12% of replacements or more is on the way. News story said 60 PERCENT of school aged girls between 12 and 16 have been or are pregnant.

Huge numbers being flushed is bad,, but when they JUMP IN ?

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goin_south says on Feb 21, 2007, 14:15:

Palanca Economics Rule .....THE WORLD. Paz y prosperidad para Colombia.

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goin_south says on Feb 21, 2007, 14:17:

POCO. you are f**king crazy! Dont change for no one.
Re: the twinkie commercial and all the other crazy shit you post here.... lol. I got my laugh for the afternoon. gracias. now, must carry on. Ciao.

Paz y prosperidad para Colombia.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 21, 2007, 14:23:

Vallenato5 Is one of the 30 people all sitting at that same computer named Colombiamike? You sure write like him. Just curious.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 21, 2007, 16:46:

I ask because You write like Colombiamike. And I'm curious how his trip to North Korea is going. No harshness or hate. Or debate for that matter.

Been to Cesar and love the coast of Colombia. And what do you 30 think?

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 21, 2007, 19:32:

Voluntarily gave you his membership? But there is no membership to PBH, just free logins, I've heard some people even have more than one and it costs them nothing extra. And before he went to visit Kim Jong-il, Colombiamike's login was, of course, Colombiamike.

If you've got 5 working internet computers I'd think people in your "class" would each want their own identity.

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