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No need to cancel properly in colombia?

Hey, another question about colombian women and the culture.

I recently met a sort of dream girl, and we got on really well. We had made plans on a thursday night, and then she just ended up in a meditation class or something and obviously couldn't get to her phone. Then we ended up hanging out on Friday night with a big group. When we were walking in the street she put her hand on my arm, and basically there was alot of chemistry in general. Now the next night(sat) we were going to go salsa dancing(her plan) and go to her meditation class(her invite). Then saturday came up, we talked on the phone, and she told me to call her at eight, that was the last time I talked to her, she didn't answer her phone the rest of the night, didn't text, and didn't respond to my nice email wondering what was going on. For me, the most dissapointing part was just the fact of how many other things I missed waiting for this girl.

Extra info: She is leaving to the states to study in a week.

Question: For americans, this behavior would be unreliable and flaky, but I am just trying to put it in more of a cultural perspective. I have lived here for 9 months and I would generally say that colombians prefer gossiping behind peoples backs instead of saying things. This could be an extension of this. Maybe on friday she really didn't feel like rejecting me or something and she just kept stringing it along? Or maybe she was into me and just changed her mind? With all your experiences is it just normal to reject people this way, just change your mind and ignore them. That is what many friends have told me, that its just the way they change their minds here, and they see it as more polite not to call or answer calls, just wait til the other person gets the hint. After 9 months here, this is really the first time I have seen this. has anyone else seen it?

Kyle

By kpennell on Aug 27, 2007, 16:21 in Friendly Talkzone.

panthdave says on Aug 27, 2007, 17:35:

Thats crap...and Rude.. Sorry I don't care where you are..Wouldn't put up with that..I have not seen that yet in Colombia..but she did not pickup the phone because she had something else on her mind...HMMMMMMM.....I wonder..

Really I have not seen that if they know your calling..at a certain time..

You know in a way Colombians do live minute by minute many do..Still Rude..

panthdave Miami

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robi666 says on Aug 27, 2007, 17:51:

Just wait that Elmo and UC come online... I almost can hear them...
"When we were walking in the street she put her hand on my arm, and basically there was alot of chemistry in general. "
You should had screwed her up first night instead of playing the gay gentleman!
...
Just joking Ken... forget her and don't call her anymore, she'll call you back or you did not have a chance anyway.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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arthur brode says on Aug 27, 2007, 17:53:

that has happened to me MANY times.but i dont sweat it.

if i call 40 chicas to go out on a Friday.
10 will be busy,10 will say maybey,10 no answer/voicemail/not home,10 will say yes and if i get lucky 1 will actually show up:)

http://www.calirentals.net/

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arthur brode says on Aug 27, 2007, 17:57:

and 2 hours late:)

http://www.calirentals.net/

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calipro says on Aug 27, 2007, 17:59:

Touching your arm means nothing in Colombia. If there was really a lot of chemistry she would have been practically laying on you. hehehe !!!

If the woman was really interested in you she would have been waiting by the phone for your call just like women from every other country in the world.

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 18:09:

she got a better offer that night. Happened to me all the time.

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billyb says on Aug 27, 2007, 18:09:

Attaboy AB, play the numbers game, jaja.

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pedro says on Aug 27, 2007, 18:11:

I'd say that behaviour is selfish and inconsiderate by Colombian standards.

Most likely explanation is she got a better offer so she left you hanging. Especially if she is going travelling soon, she might be getting more calls than usual from friends, acquaintances etc wanting to do something... someone called her and persuaded her to do something else.

An alternative explanation (and I am speaking in generalities here, not about your particular situation), is the girl was looking for something else out of the Friday date and it didn't materialise.

For example, you may have just wanted a date to get to know her better. She may have wanted a cash gift as a one-shot prepago arrangement, or an introduction to someone you know, or to go to a particular place, who knows what her motivation was. This probably doesn't apply to you because she agreed to reasonably detailed plans to go out the following night.

que nota!

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 18:14:

jaja that gives me an idea,

next time I am just going to stand outside the transmilenio and hand out flyers with drink/dinner invitations on them, the place and time, (maybe a photo of my wallet too, just to help them remember me)

wonder what percentage would show up?

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billyb says on Aug 27, 2007, 18:19:

Pod, any fraction of one percent and you're in business.

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arthur brode says on Aug 27, 2007, 18:36:

thanks for the idea Pod!
iam going to run out and get my flyers made tomorrow:)

http://www.calirentals.net/

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Gator says on Aug 27, 2007, 18:47:

That behavior is not acceptable, generally speaking, in Colombia.

I am afraid there was no chemistry and, from reading your post, you never went on a "date."
To cut to the chase-she doesn't like you. Sorry but they are like Kleenex . Use one, throw it away and another has popped up for use.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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christobeldawg says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:07:

From my experience and others there, that same thing happened a few times. They are so into avoiding any direct confrontation, and are always so polite, that they will just disappear like that. It means they are no longer, even if they once were, interested, and it means let it go.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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robi666 says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:17:

Ok, Kyle... I don't know why people here don't tell the truth. What happened to you is very typical in Colombia: she has a novio, she could not arrange anything to be free that night and went out with him, so she just left her mobile home because she knew that you were going to call. This is the explanation, verify this if you can and come back to tell us. Forget about friends, family, politeness, chemistry... you can bet on it: it was her NOVIO!

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robi666 says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:22:

Generally, you cannot give faith to a gringo on this kind of stuff, maybe a French, maybe an Italian, a Colombian will tell something to be trusted... not a gringo! ;-)

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christobeldawg says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:26:

Are you a gringo Kyle? Apparently, so in that case, I would listen to the gringos that have experience with the women there, not so much the locals.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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robi666 says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:28:

90% of gringos will hardly understand what you're talking about and pretend they do... ask an advice from the locals.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:29:

because I think the women there would tend to just disappear on a foreigner more than a local. The times I saw that done, which was a few times, as I said, the woman was definitely not interested, if the guy ran into her again later

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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gabolicious says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:30:

Kyle...she was not really interested... sorry dude... sad but true... if she were interested she would've called you over and over again...

Elección no canonización....

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robi666 says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:33:

Ok... I accept bets that he will screw her if he plays it well and that day she was busy with her novio!

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gabolicious says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:34:

yeah... with her novio or maybe with someone else... sorry... some girls are not sincere...

Elección no canonización....

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:34:

Let's see a mock up of the flyer Arthur!

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robi666 says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:36:

No amigo, not someone else... it was her NOVIO! If it was someone else she would have answered the phone...

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christobeldawg says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:37:

You're on Robbi. Go for it Kyle, and let us know

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:39:

I think robi has nailed it

I wouldn't bet against it, that's for sure.

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Man Tequila says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:40:

Maybe you could get the Miravida printer boys to knock together something for you, Pod? ;)

I can see a group of architects eager to collaborate on such a project. The flyer would probably be twelve pages long. ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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gabolicious says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:40:

Robi, when I said "someone else" I meant "another gringo"... but you may be right... her NOVIO... sounds more likely to happen

Kyle forget about the girl...

Elección no canonización....

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:54:

listen man t, I'm going to get about a thousand business cards made up this week, I'll be passing them out like candy

I have to think of a good title for myself, any ideas? How about Comandante? I like the sound of that, have no idea what it means though.

Oh, that's what they call fidel, now I remember...

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robi666 says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:56:

No no Pod... no El Comandante... you don't want to become an AUC's objectivo militare...

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tampavallenato says on Aug 27, 2007, 19:58:

I Have found this to be so true of colombians here in Tampa, Florida . They act so intrested to your face but never follow up with what they say they will do and never call or answer there phone. They just cant seem to say no, even tho thats what they want to say or should say.

Ay Hombe!!!

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robi666 says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:00:

Forget about an Alias... just a plain name that suggests money... like John Gates, or Steve Apple, to not be too obvious...

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:01:

right you are robi, I best come up with something else

how about "Hollywood Talent Agent"

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christobeldawg says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:08:

Isn't that annoying Tampa? not much different than the old southern belle attitude of the deep south of the US.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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Man Tequila says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:12:

Subcomandante worked well for Marcos.

President? Senior Architect? (You could call yourself Art Vandelay as well).

Seinfeld: Well, isn't an architect just an art school drop-out with a tilty desk, and a big ruler?

I think in Argentina a psychotherapist angle might go down well. Head of Clinical Psychoanalysis or something. Chief of Applied Psychotherapy? Just came back from Kelowna where I'm sure dream interpretation would work well. You could also use lines like one I heard out there -- "most people have only two chakras... I have three." Damn hippies. ;)

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houstongal says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:23:

LOL MT! You're in excellent form tonight! Especially loved the Art Vandelay reference!

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

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Man Tequila says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:26:

Argentina would be a great country to be an Importer/Exporter, or Exporter/Importer too.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:29:

all in all Kyle, if you are still here, it doesn't matter about all of the reasons why she may have done that. There are some much better ones for you in Colombia, for your long term happiness. So chill, and move on.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:29:

"most people have only two chakras... I have three."

did someone really say that man t? that's hilarious. No matter how beautiful a woman is, if I hear crap like that, I'm outta there, it just isn't worth it.

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Man Tequila says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:31:

I couldn't believe I heard someone say that line.

I couldn't believe it was a guy who said that line, which is unbelievably pretentious.

I was out of there very quickly. A women would have to be dressed in green or something to get away with that sort of paja.

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:32:

I better learn to translate that architect line from seinfeld too, might need to use it tomorrow

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:33:

so what did you think of kelowna? to hijack the thread completely...

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Man Tequila says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:35:

I'd pay good money to see the reaction of an Argentinian architect to that line. How do you say "tilty" in castellano anyhoo? Would you consider You Tubing that?

Pod: Well, isn't an architect just an art school drop-out with a tilty desk, and a big ruler?
Architect: Mi amor, I am very proud of my big ruler. ;)

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houstongal says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:44:

Oh you guys are just too funny!

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:48:

I think it's safe to say man t, that the reaction would not be laughter, or even a smile.

they are feeling especially touchy about professional criticism right now after my latest tirade in which I chided them for failing to realize it is better to make a wooden form the right shape then fill it with rebar and concrete, as opposed to their tried and true method of making a huge concrete block which they then chisel and hammer for days to get it to the shape they want.

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Man Tequila says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:49:

I thought Kelowna was a very beautiful part of British Columbia. I like this part of British Columbia a great deal, nice wineries and pretty views a bit like El Pinol. I also like typing "Columbia". I think I want to move to BC. My sister lives out that way but thinks it too conservative and spoiled by money in a Parque Lleras sort of way. I see her point, but even she loves it there. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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podborski says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:53:

conservative? The only reason I might hesitate to live on the left coast is because it is so, well, lefty...

B.C. is the place man t, trust me. But near vancouver...or maybe Pemberton? if that's the name of the small town a half hour the other side of whistler?

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Man Tequila says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:54:

Architects are always touchy about professional criticism.

You can chide, pod. But you will never understand that the raison d'etre of chiselling lies in the beauty of entropic deconstruction as an integral part of opening a dialogue with wider audiences... I suspect that architects, artists and astrologers were force-fed a lot of All-Bran by their mothers ;)

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houstongal says on Aug 27, 2007, 20:58:

I thought the reason for chiselling was to get the rock to divulge its true self - I want to be an arch!

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

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Man Tequila says on Aug 27, 2007, 21:30:

I've always wanted to be an arch-nemesis.

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 02:25:

KP I too advise you not to make any further contact with her, if she calls be "busy" and forget her..I get the feeling maybe you were a bit too keen?
As a woman (CK. Colombiche..back me up) I say to you..you cannot be "seen"
to be too keen, it is a complete turn off..things like writing her an email asking her why she isn't answering her phone for example could be seen as too keen.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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miamimike says on Aug 28, 2007, 02:34:

tampavallenato says on Monday August 27th, 2007 19:58:

I Have found this to be so true of colombians here in Tampa, Florida . They act so intrested to your face but never follow up with what they say they will do and never call or answer there phone. They just cant seem to say no, even tho thats what they want to say or should say.
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Hey TampaV--I have observed this Behavior In Miami also with Colombians. That behavior is hard to figure out, strange! I've seen where you make plans on a Monday and when Saturday comes, many times something invariably pops up where they either cannot make it or they are late or they simply have made another plan and never took your plan seriously to began with. Usually its the former,without a Phone call ect.With Americans or Canucks, when we make a plan we don't have to call the day of the event to confirm it. You only hear from us if we have to cancel for some "Act of God" reason otherwise the plan stands, whether we call 2-3 times during the week or not. We usually give a Phone call as a courtesy if we must cancel,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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scotty says on Aug 28, 2007, 02:39:

kick her to the curb, move on there are plenty of women in Colombia that will appreciate you and treat you good.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 02:42:

The amount of times I say to my friends "So we will do so and so on Saturday?" and we all agree but then if no one confirms it, it's as if we never said anything at all and no one remembers it or mentions it. It's like a whim of the moment agreement that seems like a good idea at the time but it doesn't mean it will happen.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 06:04:

Jeez I would not like to date any of you guys.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2007, 06:08:

ok I admit Kyle might could play it cool and get her back later, if things cool with her boyfriend, but would still advise moving on, as she will repeat the pattern.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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paisa29 says on Aug 28, 2007, 07:11:

Sabes mona que me molesta... es que juzgan a las personas sin saber realmente sus motivos.

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 07:13:

que paso paisita? Quien lo hizo?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 07:19:

Paisita yo también estoy de acuerdo contigo pero cuando vos contás una historia en un foro como estos estás expuesta a que juzguen tu historia... a mi me molesto cuando hicieron lo mismo con la paisa que encontre por acá en México diciendo que era prostituta y no tienen la menor idea de qué es lo que pasa... pero yo sí creo que esta chica no está interesada en nuestro amigo....no sé las razones pero creo que no estaba interesada...

Elección no canonización....

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timeforachangeofscenery says on Aug 28, 2007, 07:23:

You self-appointed relationship "Gurus" are the reason chicas have become so cynical towards members of the opposite sex.

You clowns go into a relationship with a whole bunch of stupid, half-arsed rules based on emotionally manipulating someone and wonder why your potential "fuck buddies" give you the run-around.

"Sniff......she wouldn't let me sleep with her - booo hooo"

Drop the stupid mind games........show some honesty..........show her you respect her and if she doesn't respond to THAT, then she is the wrong girl...........

Tfacos.

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 07:28:

"show her you respect her and if she doesn't respond to THAT, then she is the wrong girl..........."

wise words Timefor

Elección no canonización....

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robi666 says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:19:

"show her you respect her and if she doesn't respond to THAT, then she is the wrong girl..........."
you guys never play... right?

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droble77 says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:26:

Kyle, I'd listen to what GIB and Robi are saying.

The other thing you have to learn is in Colombia you HAVE to have a Plan B and Plan C except maybe on first dates. Colombianas are usually pretty good about first meetings but otherwise you should have some backup. Remember you can play the same game too and cancel at the last minute. Since no colombiana is ever going to feel guilty about doing that to you. . . well, it cuts both ways. :-)

Also you seem to be suffering from a case of "one-itis" if you know what I mean. You need to get over that ASAP. Putting all your hopes in a woman you haven't even kissed only works in romantic Hollywood movies; in real life, it only leads to frustration and failure. Think about it from the woman's perspective: she's keeping her options open too.

I'm actually surprised by your question since you've already spent 9 months there, you should have figured out some of this stuff by now.

For my upcoming Bogota trip, I've got 14 phone numbers accumulated so far from using the cybercupid sites and MSN and I'm still trying to get more. I'm NOT trying to boast here! In reality, probably only one or two of these will pan out and will be worth my valuable time.

Colombia can be fun, like shooting fish in a barrel. But the water is dirty, so you have to keep shooting, and don't get too choosy about the fish. . . ;-))

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droble77 says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:28:

"but anyway you can just play it cool with her just like robi says and probably get her in a moment when she is really mad at her boyfriend and jump in her panties."

Forgot to add this. . . but I've been told a couple of very amusing anecdotes regarding just this type of situation. :-))

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timeforachangeofscenery says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:29:

robi666,

nope. but then i'm married.......it probably sounds corny to you but all i do every day now is show my wife how much i love and respect her.

it's actually more fun than playing - you should try it.

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robi666 says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:32:

And let us put things in the right perspective, Paisa...
The guy, Kyle, wanted to screw her. The girl seemed to follow him on his plan, but, apparently with no reason, did not respond to his calls. Kyle is asking if it is normal in Colombia to not cancel...
So, anyone with a little experience with Colombianas could answer that she has a boyfriend.
What's wrong with that? I've seen it hundreds of times and for me it is the most likely reason.
Did Kyle wanted to marry her? Hell no, first of all he wanted to screw her... he can say that he was honest, honest in what? Hello? He wanted to jump in her panties!

So, no Kyle, forget everything, we can't judge, and she was probably at the hospital visiting her sick mother. Better like this?

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:33:

"For my upcoming Bogota trip, I've got 14 phone numbers accumulated so far from using the cybercupid sites and MSN and I'm still trying to get more. I'm NOT trying to boast here! In reality, probably only one or two of these will pan out and will be worth my valuable time."

Ja! I hope they read this then.

"Forgot to add this. . . but I've been told a couple of very amusing anecdotes regarding just this type of situation. :-))" Really? Keep them to yourself!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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robi666 says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:36:

timefor,
you don't know anything about me, I am not judging you, so stop talking about me! Would you?

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:37:

Dribble: Didn't you say before that ALL colombiana's regardless, are only interested in money? That's all they care about ALL of them? So there you go, you will have them at your feet if you have a bit of money to splash around...according to you.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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timeforachangeofscenery says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:39:

robi666,

who's talking about you ?

get over yourself you arrogant prick.

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robi666 says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:41:

It is true MONA, if you're a disgusting guy, bad looking, with a bad breath, and you do not talk their language, they are all interested in money. ;-)

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robi666 says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:43:

"it's actually more fun than playing - you should try it."
Was it directed to someone else?
"get over yourself you arrogant prick."
And this? Oh, nice...

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:44:

Robi coma...no mentiras jaja well maybe in that case! Robi but to make a statement like that in Colombia could get you killed, I mean what kind of crap is that? To say ALL colombiana's are like that is wrong.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:44:

"if you're a disgusting guy, bad looking, with a bad breath, and you do not talk their language, they are all interested in money. ;-)"

Amigo Robi lo que pasa es que una cosa compensa a la otra.... pero siempre hay un roto para un descosido...

=)

Elección no canonización....

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gringoloid says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:47:

Kyle....just fuggeddaboutit and move on to the next one....

paisa29: estás correcta, ellos juzgan sin saber los motivos.

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timeforachangeofscenery says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:48:

""you guys never play... right?""

you ask a married man to try playing is a lot like asking a player to try marriage.

i'm happy - you're happy - leave it the f*** alone.

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robi666 says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:52:

Well Mona and Gabo, let's say that you see an old bad looking guy and a hot young girl together... the guy does not even speak spanish, using a translator... so, what would you think? Let's be honest... :-)
Ok, let's be serious, saying that all Colombian is interested in money is pretty absurd and laughable, there is really someone who said that? Where?

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:55:

Well I read that comment from Dribble77 before and I didn't like it, maybe he was joking? I know that exists Robi, I am not denying it at all...;-)

Timefor - I think that things have changed in the dating world and I too am happy and thank my lucky stars I am not in the "game" anymore!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 08:56:

Jje still can't believe I thought that was you in your pic..

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:00:

"Well Mona and Gabo, let's say that you see an old bad looking guy and a hot young girl together... the guy does not even speak spanish, using a translator... so, what would you think? Let's be honest... :-)"

Honestly?.... yep it is about money....

Elección no canonización....

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robi666 says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:04:

And i still can't believe you married someone who look like him... :-)
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gringoloid says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:05:

so what is wrong with a woman from anywhere admiring an old man for the success he has achieved?

he may just be letting her 'look' at the money and not spending anything on her....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:07:

JAJAJAJA AY NOOOO
he doesn't look like that!!! In the pic you have as your avatar he looks a bit like him from the side, the nose, eyes and hair jaja que risa.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:09:

This thread reminds me of walking by a bunch of pimply faced, giggling teeny boppers in the food court of the mall. In between bites of their Cinnabons one hears "Oh my GAWD...did you see him... I wonder if he likes me...should I text him...what if he doesn't text me back...., that BITCH...she can't have him" blah, blah, blah.

Multiply the ages by two to five times - it's same thing!

;-)

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:13:

"a woman from anywhere admiring an old man for the success he has achieved" well gringoloid i must admit that if a guy has "beautiful" words to say ... the girl truly will fall in love with him... some girls love rethoric... there is a saying : "verbo mata carita"

i have beautiful girls married to a not so looking guy and they say the love their husbands for the way they treat them... gosh!!! girls are complicated!!!

Elección no canonización....

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gringoloid says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:16:

yea gab, what it all boils down to is, what a woman needs at that particular time.

if you got the goods at the right time and place you're in.

the OP was not in the right place at the right time with the right goods.

(gab, I didn't know you could speak english; all your posts are in spanish)

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:25:

yeah that's right Gringoloid...

regarding my english... see I am in the process of learning it... so I usually write in spanish since I am shy (yeah I know that sounds "gay" jejejejejejejeje) and I feel sorry whenever I make a big mistake while writing it... but I'm trying hard dude

=P

Elección no canonización....

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droble77 says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:44:

"Dribble: Didn't you say before that ALL colombiana's regardless, are only interested in money?"

I don't think I ever said that they were ONLY interested in that. However, if I did say it, I'll happily apologize and make a public retraction here, because it's likely I didn't express my point clearly.

I HAVE heard SEVERAL LOCALS claim that and warn me about that, but I personally wouldn't go that far.

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houstongal says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:53:

Gabo is so modest....with his photo, his English.....it's charming

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:57:

Droble gracias!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 09:58:

Mire!!! que bonita sorpresa HG!!!! me parece que usted me tiene en "ignorar" porque yo le mando correos y el "evil failure delivery notice" aparece jajajajajajajajajajaja

Hoy por la tarde voy a intentar mandarle un correo, espero que esta vez si pueda llegar a tí...

gracias por el cumplido linda pero ustedes me quieren mucho y me ven con ojos de amor jajajajajaj
=D un beso Gabo

Elección no canonización....

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houstongal says on Aug 28, 2007, 10:03:

Hi Gabo - I have no idea why your emails are being rejected when others arrive without any problems. You have my email addresses. Try the Yahoo one. Maybe you're typing a "1" instead of an "i"? Have a good day!

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 10:07:

hahahahahahaha yes!!! I think that is the problem!!!

I'll try today...

Ciao

Besos

Elección no canonización....

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houstongal says on Aug 28, 2007, 10:09:

jajaj...it's always user error ;-)

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

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paisa29 says on Aug 28, 2007, 10:22:

Yo digo que no se puede juzgar porque no sabemos que le pasó a ella o cuales fueron las raones que tuvo.
Pero si voy a basarme en la cultura de la mujer Colombiana, podría identificarme con la teoria de Gabo y pensar la chica no está interesada, aunque tambien estoy muy de acuerdo con GIB en que se debe mostar respeto por el tiempo de las personas y ustedes ya saben que la mayoria de los Colombianos tienen problemas con eso.
Para mí la mejor politica es la honestidad, si no estas interesado en alguien lo mejor es decirselo pero eso si con mucho tacto para no herir los sentimientos de esa persona.

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droble77 says on Aug 28, 2007, 10:28:

[ "For my upcoming Bogota trip, I've got 14 phone numbers accumulated so far from using the cybercupid sites and MSN and I'm still trying to get more. I'm NOT trying to boast here! In reality, probably only one or two of these will pan out and will be worth my valuable time."

Ja! I hope they read this then.

"Forgot to add this. . . but I've been told a couple of very amusing anecdotes regarding just this type of situation. :-))"

Really? Keep them to yourself! ]

Just wanted to respond to this:

Mona, I can understand your feminine feelings about this but think this through. I'm absolutely certain that while I'm chatting online with these ladies, they are ALSO chatting with several male suitors at the same time. Who knows, there might even be other gringos chatting them up, or an ex-boyfriend who's looking to reignite something.

It cuts both ways you know. So do you think it's okay for a woman to enjoy the attentions of several suitors. . . but a man can only focus his energies on one woman at a time?

Sorry but I can't buy that anymore. Maybe it's not politically correct, but like I said above, that's a recipe for frustration. Casi in point: Kyle's post!

I'm talking about dating here by the way, not relationships. If I was in a relationship, I would only be focused on her, and I would expect the same of course.

In conclusion: I absolutely respect and understand a woman's RIGHT to keep her options open, and to find and attract the best man possible out of the widest pool possible. I don't have a problem with that! :-)

Likewise, my rational mature response to this is to "hedge" my bets during the early phase of the dating ritual and keep my options open as well. Otherwise, I'm going to end up being played for a fool.

I understand most women don't like to hear this (which is why I usually don't mention it) but I think it's a double standard on their part. It's okay if they do it, but not the guys. :-)

As for the anecdotes, I will keep them to myself because I'm usually not big on relating gossip or hearsay. I just wanted this Kyle kid to realize there's a lot of monkey business going on down there, more than in the states, at least from my perspective. . . and he should take that into account when he makes a decision on how to deal with these dating issues.

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paisa29 says on Aug 28, 2007, 10:31:

Para mí un compromiso es muy importante ya sea de trabajo,amigos,etc y siempre trato de estar a tiempo o llegar antes, si se me presenta un inconveniente de último minuto que puede llegar a suceder a cualquier persona, hago hasta lo imposible por disculparme, si no me siento muy mal.

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 10:33:

ah paisa eso sucede porque usted es una señorita considerada y respetuosa con sus citas, no toda la gente es así desgraciadamente..

Yo creo que la chica de la cual hemos discutido, tiene derecho a decir "este man no me gusta" lo que yo también veo desconsiderado es que juegue con el tiempo de los demás como en el caso de nuestro amigo...

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 10:47:

Really GIB????

wow....

Elección no canonización....

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paisa29 says on Aug 28, 2007, 10:53:

Mira esto tan interesante... fue escrito por un gringo y despues dicen que a las Colombianas nos gusta tener segunads o terceras opciones... percibo algo de machismo aquí.

For my upcoming Bogota trip, I've got 14 phone numbers accumulated so far from using the cybercupid sites and MSN and I'm still trying to get more. I'm NOT trying to boast here! In reality, probably only one or two of these will pan out and will be worth my valuable time.

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 11:24:

oh dude sorry about that lady...

But hasn't it happened to you that if you follow the let's-be-friends-first procedure does not work either?

I once tried to follow that procedure and this is what happened...She told me "no Gabo I love you as a friend, I respect you as a brother because we are FRIENDS..." and then LEFT ME FOR A GRINGO!!!!

jajajajajajajajajaja that was funny...

I once had an american gf and I must say that the relationship was totally different from those I have experienced in Latinamerica.. but to tell you the truth I missed latin girls... now I don't follow that procedure of becoming friends first .... I don't wanna be left for another gringo!!!! ;)

LOL

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robi666 says on Aug 28, 2007, 11:28:

No, GIB, you're wrong... she just did not like you and you can't accept the fact! That guy was probably her father or brother.
Gabo... you're the only one that writes "Ciao" in the correct way... not Chao like they use to do it here!
Monita, I will have to change my avatar then... usted me desprecia tanto... me gustaría parecer a Gabo... :-(

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 11:37:

Oh c'moon Robi... it is not that good to "look like me" ... (gay guys will also be following you jajajajajajajaa)

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 11:37:

Robi cuando en la vida te he despreciado? ;-) Ahora menos que ese avatar es especial para mi.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 11:40:

have friends and date girls... yep I like that system instead of let's be friends first...

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 11:54:

but the problem I have is that my mexican and colombian friends are really jealous, argentinians they really don't care whether I am dating someone or not... but mexicans and colombians... my goodness! they say: "look at that b*** she is a wh****, and she is not pretty, you souldn't be dating this girl Gabo"
Then they say: Gabo we want the best for you, but that girl is not the right one!!!

LOL

Girls! aren't they lovely?

LOL

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tampavallenato says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:10:

I have also found it's not just dealing women and dating. Doing business with colombian men and women I find most will never say no. Yes we can do that. You get your true answer when they dont show or they dont do as they say they will. A delayed no!!! is what we should call it. I go so far as to offer ways out of a deal looking for a true answer. But still here comes a yes to a deal only to be followed up by the dreaded delayed no!!!! Not in words of course just by not showing up or not doing what is promised. Then they have that stupid look on thre mug like they dont know what your talking about when you confront them later. Dont get me wrong every race has this type person withn it but more so with the colombians I have delt with. Damn Colombians if they did not know how to have so much fun and party like theres no tomorrow I would not deal with themso much. Oh and there's that whole great music thing too!!!!

Ay Hombe!!!

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:22:

Hmm I do believe is quite common for people to say okay and then just disappear...but nobody does it as much as the irish. However, that said, i had an experience of the sort and felt very bad. I went out for lunch with this guy and he said i should come clubbing with him and his friends that night and I said okay. He said he would call, girls never call...we dont wanna look desperate. But it happens that I usually throw my bag on the car's floor and my mobile phone must have slipped out...so i got home, got changed and waited for this guys call...never happened. Then after I got angry and all I went to check my purse and my mobile wasnt there...found it in the car like 2 days after. I called the guy as soon as I could but he was like "yeah, whatever..." I felt soooooo bad.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:24:

CK eeeh casi que no llegas!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:26:

I was a working woman today Mona, I am here now though :P Como vas?

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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RussianFred says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:26:

Kyle, she sounds like one of my girlfriends. I was out of town and I returned Saturday night. My girl had her phone off Thursday and Friday. The Colombian Chicas are very skillful, they are looking forthe best opportunity. I am sorry Kyle their was a better opportunity for her.

Annual Drug Deaths: Tobacco: 395,000, Alcohol: 125,000, 'Legal' Drugs: 38,000, Illegal Drug Overdoses: 5,200, Marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war?--Ralph Nader

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:28:

Bien aqui jodiendo con esta gente! Hoy si no he trabajado sino que he estado comprando cosas muy importantes por internet ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:29:

Elabora por dios, que todo lo que tiene que ver con compras me interesa :P

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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tampavallenato says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:30:

Yup the B B D (biger , better deal) aka gold diggers!

Ay Hombe!!!

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:30:

CK ahora entiendo por qué vos no lees mis mails... será que también el computador se quedó en el auto???

jajajajajajajajjaa

just kidding mamacita.....

=D

Elección no canonización....

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:31:

Huy mamacita rrrr

Bueno me compre dos vestidos y una locion, una crema para la cara y uno de cuerpo pero me demore mucho escogiendo..

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:32:

si no fuera porque eres mi novio te habria dicho alguna groseria pero la verdad es que si los he leido, lo que pasa es que no he tenido tiempo de contestarte pero seguramente que esta semana lo hare ya que no tengo que trabajar en dos dias!!! yay!

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:33:

trabajar part time es la verraquera.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:34:

lo único malo de las mujeres es que se tardan mucho para comprar cosas... yo me doy cada aburrida... pero mientras se vean bonitas, vale mucho la pena tanta espera.... =D

Elección no canonización....

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paisa29 says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:34:

Mona,Gabo ya les contesté algo en mis comentarios.

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:35:

hahaha si mona aunque un horario mas conveniente no me caeria nada mal ya que yo trabajo 2 o 3 dias a la semana de 9 a 6pm...en el Norte de Londres asi que imaginate a que hora salgo de mi casa y a que hora llego de vuelta :(

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:35:

Gracias Paisita linda ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:37:

ah tan linda Paisita gracias!!!

Saben Mona y Paisita... en la relación entre CK y yo... yo soy el que tiene la última palabra... siempre le digo "sí mi amor"... entonces toca esperar a que tenga tiempo de contestar mis correos... jajajajajajajajaja

Por cierto, buscaré una foto para mi profile más decente porque a mi cyber gf no le gusta... parece que no le gusté en esta foto!!!! claro como no soy el novio que tiene allá con ella pues sí.. Gabo cambie su foto!!! jajajajajajajaj

=P

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:38:

gabo yo no me tardo nada, nunca me mido la ropa que voy a comprar y usualmente me quedo pobre despues de pasar por la 3ra tienda. Has visto esos concursos en donde la gente tiene que llenar el carrito de mercado en 3 minutos? asi soy yo de compras para absolutamente todo.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:39:

Huy juemadre ya empezaron las escenas de celos jajaja CK pongale cuidado! Gabo personalmente, a mi me encanto segunda foto que tenias antes de esta, en que estas sentado,,bueno es mi humilde opinion...

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:43:

ay dicho y hecho ya empezaron a montarmela...:P

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:43:

bueno CK puedo complacer a Mona???jajajajajajajajaja

Por eso digo que qué bueno que tu no te tardas en hacer tus compras (jajajajajaja).. por que cuando yo voy con mi hermana o mi madre o mi paisa... ay Dios!!! solo me llevan para cargar sus cosas... me gustan las mujeres decididas...

Monita te gusto la foto de estudio??? porque creo que puse otra... o mejor pongo cuando era yo un niño.... =D tu dime y yo la pongo jajajajajajajaja

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:46:

Bueno cuando eras niño eras divino! Y asi no causara tanto alboroto? Pero bueno mejor preguntale a la fierita...

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:47:

amada Ck voy a poner una foto para que veas como pueden salir de lindos nuestros chinos... bueno?

;)

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:51:

dale, ponla que a lo mejor me dan ganas de traer creaturas a este mundo miserable... :P

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:52:

Ck eres fantástica me haces reir mucho!!!

Bueno esta bien la pondré....

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paisa29 says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:55:

Con razón mi mamá me dice que yo no parezco paisa, me aterra vitrinear, yo voy por lo que necesita y ya.

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gabolicious says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:57:

"yo voy por lo que necesita y ya." así se habla paisita.. pero mi madre que sí es paisa "oh no! compras con mamá! además mi paisa también le encanta perder el tiempo en esas vainas... pero así la amo y ni modo...

=D

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LA_MONA says on Aug 28, 2007, 12:57:

Huy paisita conmigo te mueres entonces..soy de las que me mido una cosa y voy a otra tienda para devolverme luego al otro y medirlo otra vez..y la cantidad de plata..es obsceno ;-) pero eso si no compro todo el tiempo pero cuando si compro, madre mia!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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