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tomtom33 says on Jan 1, 2006, 08:54:

No. He wouldn't believe you, anyway.

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 1, 2006, 11:19:

Go for it and warn the Guy! Save someone a headache and some Money.... Your identity can remain hidden(secret) use a new hotmail account to send him an email or use a friend's email account so your name remains hidden! Blowing the whistle on this type of woman is like alerting your friends to a bad dishonest mechanic or doctor. Your Civic Duty!haha Its a wonder in this Day and Age --2006---that grown and otherwise intelligent men fritter thier money away sending monthly checks to their girlfriends/novias/wives in a distant country while they are not there to see how the funds are used and "For What" the funds are used for. What did that old time Circus guy(carny hawker) say "A fool is born every Day". By all means, tell him. Someday someone may help you in a like situation ect. Your post reinforces my thoughts on this that I made in another recent post , the guy is NOT appreciated any more, actually less, then if he gave nothing. As it is now, he's looked upon as a Fool. You prove my Point!
Re-another recent post of mine "NOooooo WAaayyyy Jose! Another Colombian Lady several years ago asked me for a $2500 Loan in the US and of course I didn't give the loan! Why do people try and pull these scams off? I see some here send monthly Sums/stipends to lady friends and I think they are NUTS for doing this. "Estan Loco"! I would be there in person to see what the $$$ is being spent on-Never would I send a Check or wire money or set up a ATM acct carte blanche for the woman to tap when they needed $$$. This is Crazy! Not Cheap, But Crazy! You will not be appreciated any more for sending $$ then if you don't. Maybe even less highly thought for sending $$! Caveat Emptor!"

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Boatygringo says on Jan 1, 2006, 11:30:

Old Story It´s just an other story of a Gringo being Screwed by a Colombian. It goes on all the time. there´s the Tourist Price. the Gringo Price. and the Clomian Price. If we are lucky we get the Gringo Price, never the Colombian Price. I catch them all the time at the store in a cab in the street just a few pesos more than the locals but you have been screwed. Buy a beer you pay $1100.00 the locals pay $1000.00 not much but its a game with them.
I say E mail the guy and let him decide. she is being a Punta though if you called here one she would be offended, but if you sell it for cash what are you ?

Boatygringo

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 1, 2006, 12:00:

Boatygringo, How right you are on 3 prices! Several years ago in Bogota a Ladyfriend and I decided to catch a Cab and knowing of the Tourist/Gringo Price I told my Ladyfriend to set the Cab Fare. I Stayed hidden in the Doorway just off the street as she bargained with the Driver. A few seconds later she waved to me to come and we hopped in the Cab! As we pulled away I noticed the Cabbie was Glaring at me in his rearview and not more then 100 meters down the road he slammed on the Brakes and told us to get out! He kicked us out of the Cab because he Knew I knew the two price setup and we would NOT let him charge us the Gringo Price. Man was he pissed! We laughed hard over beers later at dinner about the episode. Use Meters?? My ladyfriend negotiated a better price then a metered fare, not all cabbies use the meter even though its the law. But as we all know, laws are made to be broken in Colombia so that dog doesn't hunt and we won't even go there! haha

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Crazy Eagle says on Jan 1, 2006, 13:03:

tell the guy Yeah Mestizo, you were warned about her, and now you can return this favor to the universe. Keep it kind but straightforward and simple.

"Do you want to know what it is like inside a black hole? Then look around." Carl Sagan

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 1, 2006, 15:08:

I guess I would tell him what you told us but chances are he's not going to believe you. In the long run everybody gets what's coming to them anyway.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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dwmte says on Jan 1, 2006, 15:21:

i'm curious, boatygringo... what exactly is a clomian?

you might share with the chap who's being screwed but not getting laid, that, 'a fox may change his hole, but never changes habits'.

it's a gentleman's courtesy, he deserves to know. you don't even need to hide behind fake names. just e the guy and say, in very short order, that the lady aint what she seems. pure and simple.

some time downstream he'll thank you for it. wouldn't you?
dw

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mestizoblood says on Jan 1, 2006, 18:25:

maybe is the guy's own karma? Let the water flows and do not swim against the current...
It is possible that the guy's is getting his own karma? And also because she had suffered hard times because her stupidity she deserves her piggy bank?
Or is like standing in front of a fire and not doing anything?
If the karma thing is true, then things will be solved by themselves?
I don’t know the guy and if I email him I don’t care telling him my name or who I am, also the lady and me were more friends than a couple so I know many things from her and him that I am sure 100% he will not doubt anything of what I said.
The guy is nice, as far as I know he sometimes sends extra cash for things she doesn’t need (sometimes up to 2000us) clothes, trips she then never show up at the airport because she says, fu*&^ that gringo if cant stand him for 3 days I don’t want to imagine a week in Cartagena...
But on the other hand the guy sometimes doesn’t show up for a month or two...
But I witnessed that he emailed her sometimes 2 or 3 times a day saying sweet things... and all she got to say is... I want to have a nose job done what do you think?
Maybe he likes it, he said in an email he did help a woman in another South American country and pay for her university and stuff...
Maybe he is really stinky rich... I have seen what he writes about his job...
But even bill gates donate computers for a tax brake.

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grahamelder says on Jan 1, 2006, 19:43:

cartegana I will be in Cartegana from Jan 4th to the 26th,i am from Destin FL
anyone want to meet for a beer?

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Principe says on Jan 1, 2006, 20:28:

Absolutely email him Mestizo.. I was duped by a barranquillera. SHeet.. some of the things you said in your first post almost made me fell like it was my ex-chica. Oh, how I would have loved for someone to open my eyes even a year into the 2 year long relationship. It's very hurtful, but man it's more painful after the fact and something we learn from. I almost have this felling all Colombianas are out for the $$ just b/c of what 1 Colombiana did. SO yes, I would email him. Sheesh.. I even ask for you to post her name her to put my mind at ease.. though my ex would never sak for a nosejob. Lastly.. where is she from? Mine was from Barranquilla. I ask just b/c maybe I can find out a little bit about how Colombiaaas are by region.. not saying all Barranquilleras are this way.. but it'd be kind of soothing to know I just chose the wrong gal as opposed to it being more of a regional thing.

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Principe says on Jan 1, 2006, 20:48:

no, why?

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Principe says on Jan 1, 2006, 21:17:

Mestizo In your original post you ask... "Is she unluckily ignorant or a bad person?" I dont know the girl you are referring to, but you did date her so? I would say that in my ex-gf's case,... the answer is both and part of it I don't blame her. My gf really did love me.. unfortuantley she did not have the education to understand that a relationship is not only about money and love.. there are other things... confianza, respecta, fidelidad, communicacion, etc. My gf did not understand these things. But she is from a very broken family and she received almost 0 love in her childhood. In fact her own parentes didnt even raise her. Unforutantely she is followuing in both her mother and father's footsteps.. doing what it tkes to get by... not thinking about the big picture and how to help yourself. But if everyone around you lives like this and all your "friends" have this attitude.. that a male is there to provide you with things and when you dont get what you want, it's time to find a new male. There are many many Colombianas like this. unfortunately I chose one like this... Foruntantely, it was a great learing experience and I wouldn't forgo the memories of the first year we spent together for anything. However, the last 9 months of the relaionship, I felt like I was trying to teach a baby how to live life and be a better preson and grow both as a person and a couple.. and the baby didnt want to learn. Is it her fault? Yes, because we are all resposnible for our own actions. But when not a single influence in her life thinks the way the average person thinks and she has no infleunces in her life, and it's in her blood to be the way she is, then is she a bad person? Proabbly not, but not the right person for a gringo. She honestly believes the things she believes in her head and everyone around her reinforces her that she is correct that she should find a male to give her everything she wants and one day the wrong person mayl fall for her and marry her and BOOM... 50/50% split as we say in Texas. So the answer to your question.. IS she unluckily ignorant or a bad person? My answer is.. uneducated and born into thinking its the way to live.

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 1, 2006, 21:22:

$2000----Is this Guy Brain Dead???????????????? Man, anyone who sends some Chica down there $2000 needs to start using his head for something else other then a Hatrack; he is in need of several serious, intensive professional mental health counseling sessions! He's starting to sound a tad slow on neuronal function to say the least! No wonder a lot of these these chicks have these impressions of Americans as deep-pocketed!

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rocinante says on Jan 1, 2006, 22:59:

mestizoBlood por favor.... MestizoBlood - how did they meet? This is really important to know. Please post about that if you can.

A guy sending cash to a woman he met in a brothel maybe? He was just passing through Colombia? Does he speak Spanish? Does she talk to him of marriage? Maybe the guy is just in it for the sex and his feelings are small? He's paying for her school - does he think her school is for "learning English"?

Well the positives are that a good deal of money is being pumped into Colombia. Good for the economy. Plus a maid and personal trainer and spa workers have a job. Pretty soon something bad will happen to her, so let these dollars flow in for as long as possible.

A good US friend I met in Medellin tells me it's common for some girls to have 2 or 3 going at a time - all 3 paying for the same English lessons/boobjob and whatnot.

No wonder the peso is gaining on the dollar.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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dwmte says on Jan 2, 2006, 03:36:

i wonder if the chap ever heard of the 'snap-out-of-it' institute. a couple of visits wouldn't do him any harm. so many folks--driven by good intention--end up part of the brain donor program. unfortunately, the road to hell is paved with good intention.

from what you say, he seems to have deep pockets and doesn't really mind that his benificence is a bit like a yacht (a hole in the ocean you throw money into)

i still think i'd let him know, simply as a male courtesy, but you can walk through life alongside/with anyone, you just can't walk for them.

dw

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seammckenna126 says on Jan 2, 2006, 08:22:

You'd be wasting your time This guy's not stupid or blind. He knows what's going on. My bet is...he's probably got another "kept" woman somewhere else. I will also guess that he's getting exactly what he's paying for. A date for the period of time that he's down there. He probably doesn't care anymore for her than she does him when it comes down to it. She's not his fiance and she's not his wife. I am sure he likes it that way for now. She's just his date in Colombia. He's using money to try and manipulate her perhaps....Money for some people is just a control device. He obviously has 800 a month to burn instead of putting it to better use, so let him. It's a safe bet to say he's using her just as much as she's using him...only in different ways. His ways just happens to be less obvious. I agree with U.C.....we all get what we got coming to us in the end. He is just as manipulative and controlling as she is I think. I'd say he uses money and guilt as his two main choices for control. "here's alot of money for you" then later on...."I can't believe you treat me this way after all I've done for you" types of thing. She's just a liar and well...what else do you call a woman who gladly excepts money and gifts based on her own lies and omissions of truth and manipulations. Yeah, they are made for each other I think. Let them be. The person who told you can tell the "other guy". They obviously seen you were sincere with your feelings and spared you future heartache.

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mestizoblood says on Jan 2, 2006, 09:23:

ummm... Rocinante, I believe they met through an acquaintance, but honestly I think it was a set up, I mean the guy was looking for a hot Colombiana and the lady wouldn’t mind dating a gringo twice a month or so.
He does not speak Spanish at all, and they do speak of marriage, he is separated but not divorced.
I find something very strange about that is too long to tell but based on the facts something is weird on that part of the story.
Seammckenna126 I just think your perception of things is the most accurate, and is very hard to know since there is not so much information.
Thank you everybody, and for all of you gringos, the minute a lady ask you for a cent just run Forest, run!!
I’ have seen it… there is not such a thing as my mom got sick, I want to study acting, I want to buy this or that phone, I will buy is the appropriate word, or I did buy.
I am sorry for the guy, and please don’t think all Colombianas are like that, she is a pain in the ass and like Principe said, she is just uneducated.

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 2, 2006, 09:32:

Mestizoblood--You aim is spot on! "Thank you everybody, and for all of you gringos, the minute a lady ask you for a cent just run Forest, run!!
I’ have seen it… there is not such a thing as my mom got sick, I want to study acting, I want to buy this or that phone, I will buy is the appropriate word, or I did buy."

I've seen this Scam several times also yet some Gringos, while appearing very intelligent on most matters, leave their Brains at the Door when it comes to sending Da Loot! They are refed a variation of your stories and walla, they fall for the new improved version and send money. And the scam continues. ROFLMAO!!!

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Principe says on Jan 2, 2006, 09:50:

Mestizo Just out of curiosity
1) this is your first post.. what sparked yo to come onto PBH and post a story like this?
2) You yourself said you were seeing her and it took her best friend to help open your eyes.. when you saw it all first hnnd. If you saw it, and still didnt run... how do you think the gringo is going to see it? My advice.. do unto others as you wish they would do to you. Email the gringo. It will save him months of pain, and you'll be a better person for it.
3) you didnt mention what city she is from.

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rocinante says on Jan 2, 2006, 11:17:

not just in CO principe - I would venture to guess these types of women are in every larger city. It's no secret that if you are really hot it's not too hard to put yourself in a brothel or out on the web and hook a gringo that will send monthly money in exchange for the chica making him think he's her one and only principe azul.

But it happens in most countries. Ever see really hot women out with rich guys? Only difference here in the US is that it's more difficult for the girl to juggle and get "treated to dinner and gifts (payment)" by many guys witout getting caught.

In CO with the guy(s) thousands of miles away the juggling is easier. Get a few on the line, buy the family a new and bigger house, get clothes and other things for the famiy and sooner or later maybe settle down and get married - to a gringo (if she's willing to relocate for the finer life) or to a Colombiano.

Her choice, really.

Bottom line is really hot women in any country are in the driver's seat as long as there are guys lined up and willing to "pay"

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 2, 2006, 11:43:

Sorry but a Big difference here is... You don't get to see what the $$$ is spent on! Sure from time to time in a country other Col a guy may give $$$ to a Woman but the cases I have seen here in Canada or the USA is that the Guy sees what the $$$ is being spent on, be it clothes, Cars Rent ect. That is Not the case with these Locos sending $$$ to Col Chicas--the Guy rarely ever gets to see how the $$$ is being spent whether its on Gym Memberships, The Sick Mother(my favorite), Clothes, Tuition(yea Ingles Classes--right LMAO) Credit Card Bills, the secret Colombian Boyfriend ect. He, the Boyfriend, maybe(and a big maybe at that) gets to see where some of the $$$ is going on one of his Rare Trips to Col so for the most part he hasn't a clue. Like I say, this guy still remains brain Dead for sending this $$$ as well as anyone else sending Monthly stipends to Col and not being able to see EXACTLY on what the $$$ is being spent. AS they say, "Fools pay no heed, Wise men need no advice" This guy is a "Fool"....

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Crazy4Cali says on Jan 2, 2006, 11:44:

Puhhlllleeeeezzzzzzzeeeeee Some of these comments sound like Colombianas were the first group of women to figure out how to get money from a guy. Rocinante's last line says it all..."...hot women in any country are in the driver's seat as long as there are guys lined up and willing to 'pay'."

It's as true in the U.S. as it is in any other country in the world, only the surnames and nationalities change. My guess is the odds lean in one of two directions. The guy knows so sending an e-mail isn't going to tell him anything new, or he doesn't know, in which case he won't believe you. The chances are remote (but non-zero, of course) he's one of those who doesn't know but would like to.

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 2, 2006, 11:54:

I have seen cases where the Guy didn't know The Guy I'm referring to Really didn't know where the $$$ was going! He was Trusting! He sent the money with Honorable Intentions to a woman in Bogota-the $$$ was supposed to go for his Ladyfriend's sick mother-for nursing care! What a Joke! The Mother was in Better shape then Daughter as he found out later! looked better also jaja! This guy sending the $$$$ was a retired banker with a Ton of Loot and usually, with the smarts to take care of his money! Here In Canada, He would NEVER send Money to a Woman as he did to this Lady in Bogota! Never in a Million years! So he made this error in judgement ONLY with a Col woman--he still does BTW so he has been unable to learn! Still getting suckered by these Young Latin Women(under 40). Fools Rush In......LMAO

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 2, 2006, 12:00:

Crazy4Cali--high form of the art The Colombian Woman has taken this Act of getting money out of these Guys Via Distancia(larga distancia) and polished their Scam to a high state of the Art form. There aren't many better(con artists) then these women when it comes to working this scam so convincingly as they do! You would think they would learn from reading Comments from a website such as this but sadly many don't until the pockets are empty!LMAO

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 2, 2006, 12:00:

What I can never figure out is whether these guys are this stupid with the chicks in their home country or just the foreign ones? Women are women everywhere!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 2, 2006, 12:04:

Utc-Remember what Ross Perot said????--LMAO When he was running for Prez in 1992-He made that comment about that "Loud Sucking Sound" as money was heading from the USA to Mexico on Nafta(?)Ja Ja Fools Rush In.....and the Loud Sucking Sound Continues...ROTFLMAO

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rocinante says on Jan 2, 2006, 15:19:

women and wampum GIB is definitely correct that it happens in poor countries way more - that is pretty obvious. But it does happen here, although to a lesser extent. This is how and why it breaks down as per GIB Chica Law #63

In the US the woman has a job, can pay her rent and eat. She has the BASICS because of our 'way of life'. The EXTRAS she gets because she is hot is the mink coat, the expensive dinners at Daniel, European vacations, Diamond jewelry and so on. She is able to brag to her friends. "Status" also comes to mind. ElPAdrino - yes the guy knows where the money is going here in the US because here it's rare for the rich guy to just hand over cash to the hot chick. Although some might.

In Colombia the woman may not have a job, struggles to pay the rent and to buy food. The BASICS she gets from the rich guy from the money he sends paying for rent, food, cell phone. The EXTRAS are the spa treatments, clothing, surgery, whatever. She ain’t getting the mink coat or the European vacations or the really expensive jewelry. She is able to brag to her friends. "Status" also comes to mind.

The Rich guy in the US reelin’ in US hot chicks that would never give him the time of day otherwise makes over 250K
The Rich guy in the US reelin’ in CO hot chicks that would never give him the time of day otherwise makes over 50K

And there you have it. Which group will be more apt to lower her standards and swindle in order to increase status? BOTH. But to stand behind GIB’s point and GIB Chica Law #63, there is more of a need in CO because of the “huge disparity“

Elpadrino is correct –the guy in the US with the CO hottie has no idea where the money is going and how many other guys are also sending money and making trips down there to see her.

But please lets not make it seem as if this is only a Colombiana thing. The hot Chick/$guy situation is global and has been around since God invented women and wampum.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 2, 2006, 16:43:

Rocinante--I agree with you !! but the Colombian woman has honed this Money Transfer Deal to a High state of the Art!! It does go on in any county but not with the expertise you see here in Col ! Its poetry in Motion! JAJA And the Giant Ross Perot Sucking sound continues unabated....JAJA

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ElPadrino1 says on Jan 2, 2006, 17:23:

GIB, I had a Buddy who used those Dating Agencies to his advantage and it didn't cost a Dime! Some others here may profit from his methods but remember this Guy had no intention of marrying he was just running the same scam as the Girls. Say if he was in Bog, BQA, he had a list of the Dates and Hotels where and when these Matrimonial Agencies were hosting their Meet-Ups. They always rent a Banquet Room at one of the Better hotels in the City. He would then go to that Hotel and stand around the Door well dressed I may add, no Sneakers and jeans,and as the Girls attending the meet-up entered and exited the event, he would hand out a Nice Card with his name and phone number to the Hotel he was staying at, offering the excuse "I have to leave early tonight and cannot attend the Meeting". He met many Very Nice Looking Col women this way. He had the Benefit of the agency finding the women yet he did not spend one dime. Worked for him! He is still doing it!

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Crazy Eagle says on Jan 2, 2006, 17:59:

One Colombian woman I know advised me to simply not date very poor Colombian women. Her advice was to only date educated ambitious chicas. Now, I am sure there are good poor girls too, but I would have much less in common with them. But if I was dating one of them and she asked for $$$, I would be suspicious and ask why she needed it. Then, instead of giving her money, I would buy what she needed, or otherwise make sure that it was spent on what she said - food, medicine, education - and not on fancy clothes and parties.

"Do you want to know what it is like inside a black hole? Then look around." Carl Sagan

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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rocinante says on Jan 2, 2006, 19:45:

eagle My old boss is a man from Bogota. He warend me about all Colombian women especially the Calenas. He said they were the smartest and most ambitious and knew how to swindle - so good that even Sicilians could not detect the deception. And Sicilians they are the best. Just ask my grandmother.

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone does have a tendency to stereotype - but stereotypes don't come from the wind or so the old Celtic saying goes.

Don't you think that the poor girls are less crafty/ambitious and less likely to swindle than the upper strata chicas who have may have more desire? My old boss seemed to indicate this. I see him again on the 12th and he is one of the best sources of information Colombiano.

Also it's funny that Colombianas have no problem chiming in about this as well.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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Crazy Eagle says on Jan 3, 2006, 10:49:

depends on how you were raised? I agree Mario, and I did say that I'm sure there are good poor girls too. I'm just repeating what a nice Colombiana told me - that I should avoid dating very poor Colombianas because they are more likely to see me as a meal ticket or a plane ticket.

She advised me to find a nice educated girl, and she told me that she would never even think of asking her gringo boyfriend for cash. OK, she is a lucky person I'm sure. But I disagree with Roci's post, and I think this Colombiana knows what she is talking about. And, I have no interest in using anyone, and I certainly don't want to be used myself.

"If you marry for money you will earn it." Old Folk Saying

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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Colombiche says on Jan 3, 2006, 21:26:

What a bunch of bullshit. This site should officially be named gringos with a delusion of being exploited by Colombian women.

Que basura, de verdad que todos los dias esto vale menos la pena leerlo, esta no es una pagina sobre Colombia, esta es una pagina para que los extranjeros vengan a hablar basura sobre las mujeres Colombianas y a discutir como guardar sus cochinos dolares.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 3, 2006, 22:22:

Hah Hey, I know guys in the US who spend hundreds of thousands on hot young chicks (the guy I'm thinking of is in his 70's and always has a sexy new girlfriend or wife) so maybe sending $500 a month to keep some young Colombiana happy isn't such bad value after all.

I agree with Colombiche, however, that it's pretty comical the amount of energy expended here (PBH) by a bunch of guys discussing how not to get "used" over things like what entre a woman chooses at dinner or who pics up the cab fare. Life is much to short to really worry about that shit, and if you find yourself a magnet for users then it's actually better to look at your OWN behaviors that attract you to such people rather than trying to catch or retrain them.

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rocinante says on Jan 4, 2006, 04:24:

my post to eagle 5 up.... "A good US friend I met in Medellin tells me it's common for some girls to have 2 or 3 going at a time - all 3 paying for the same English lessons/boobjob and whatnot.....

Bottom line is really hot women in any country are in the driver's seat as long as there are guys lined up and willing to "pay"....

But please lets not make it seem as if this is only a Colombiana thing. The hot Chick/$guy situation is global and has been around since God invented women and wampum." -

3 quotes of mine in seperate threads in this post.

Some really hot girls will take advantage of guys who let them.

I love Colombia and already started moving there. I'll be permanent By August. When I hear negative stereotypes about Colombia I let it roll off my back - I know it's not true.

My post to eagle is sarcastic , not true and after reading it a day later I realize that I was not sarcastic enough to appear as a joke.

Mario the Sicillian thing is from "True Romance" movie. Christopher Walken is Sicillian and he has this scene with Dennis Hopper.....

I need to be more careful before I post as it is difficult to fully express in a medium such as an internet website.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 4, 2006, 07:58:

Well, Colombiche, maybe the site could be renamed to "Cochinos y sus cosas cochinadas". Or maybe just "La Porqueria".

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Crazy Eagle says on Jan 4, 2006, 10:24:

Colombiche, what?!? Since no entiendo mucho Espanol, I had to use Babelfish to translate your message:

"That sweepings, really that all the days this bond except the pain to read it, this is not a pagina on Colombia, this is a pagina so that the foreigners come to speak sweepings on the Colombian women and to discuss like keeping its pigs dolares."

Well, I did not intend to "speak sweepings" on the Colombianas (I suspect that something was lost in translation). I have no doubt there are plenty of good women in all stratas. But, one must be careful and I have heard of some heartbroken boppers who ended up with smaller bank accounts.

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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Colombiche says on Jan 4, 2006, 10:32:

Crazy Eagle That was a very inaccurate translation.

What I said was (and it wasn't really aimed at you):

What garbage. Honestly this page becomes of less value to me with every passing day, this is not a page about Colombia, this is a page where foreigners come to talk trash about Colombian women and to discuss how to hold on to their "cochinos dolares" (cannot find a satisfactory translation for that expression, it feels so damn good to say it in Spanish).

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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tomtom33 says on Jan 4, 2006, 11:47:

Colombiche I can see how this discussion may bother you. Yesterday Adrimm left.

Like all things in life, some things are not going to be to your liking. You needn't read topics like this if they will bother you. Many things are said tongue-in-cheek. And other things are said by people a little short upstairs. Ignore the latter and laugh with the former.

I enjoy discussions like this, but I don't take them very seriously.

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paisa29 says on Jan 4, 2006, 12:06:

Después de estar en el foro por algún tiempo ya, la mayoría de las veces puedo entender cuando un miembro está haciendo un comentario serio y cuando están bromeando, por ejemplo a elmo nunca tomó en serio, pero la cosa es que este foro se ha vuelto tan popular en el mundo que cualquier persona que esté buscando información sobre Colombia por ejemplo en Google van a encontrar comentarios interesantes y tambien estupidos de algunos miembros y eso puede alterar la campaña de limpieza de el nombre de Colombia que estamos adelantado las personas queremos el país.

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quindioman says on Jan 4, 2006, 14:50:

nisiquiera` soy mujer y me siento un toque ofendido...ahora me imagino como se debe de sentir las mujeres Colombianas...en eso si estoy de acuerdo con Colombiche....da lastima ver que la calidad de este foro ha bajado..bueno no me puedo quejar mucho ya que antes de rehabilitarme la mayoria de mis comentarios no eran de "gran calidad" que digamos, ya que visito el foro sobrio me da pena con lo que contribuia, me han dado ganas de abandonar el foro por completo pero por lo que dice paisa29 todavia me asomo....ella tiene la razon cuando dice que este lugar tiene mucha informacion sobre Colombia....desafortunadamente no toda es buena, vamos a ver si podemos equilibriar tanta paja y generalizacion con algo mas positivo e interesante.

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Crazy Eagle says on Jan 4, 2006, 15:49:

Aguila Loca no entiende muy bien I wish Colombians would post in English for the benefit of us ignorant gringos who have not yet mastered the language. Otherwise I think I'm getting accused of "speaking sweepings on Colombianas".

But I know enough to sense pain in these messages. You women are right, we have to be careful about what we write, and always respectful of the country we are all so interested in.

"If you marry for money you will earn it." Old Saying

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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mestizoblood says on Jan 4, 2006, 16:05:

colombiche I think you just generalized a bit and came back to us as Colombians, it is obvious that 99.9% of Colombianas are just wonderful people, i have a mom and sister too.
but that .1 percent counts for a lot of people, do the math.
i might email the guy the link to this discusion...

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 4, 2006, 16:29:

Crazy Eagle, piensas que están diciendo malas cosas sobre ti? Me gusta cuando describen los gringos como "cochinos". Me recuerde de mi querida esposa con una de sus cantaletas. Verdaderamente, aquí está una porqueria. Muerte para los gringos!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Colombiche says on Jan 4, 2006, 16:58:

Utopia No señor, yo nunca dije que los gringos son unos cochinos. Lea mi escrito de nuevo y va a ver que yo dije "cochinos dolares". Nunca dije "cochinos gringos".


I try to stay away from generalizations like that. I would never have said all gringos are cochinos. I just used the term cochinos dolares. It sounds so good when I say it out loud.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 4, 2006, 22:32:

Lo siento, Senora. Supongo que es yo que lo dijo. Entonces Crazy Eagle no debe ser preocupado.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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morphus says on Jan 4, 2006, 23:00:

Colombians can't really complain about this forum making their country look bad. Colombia already has a bad reputation. if somebody that has never been to Colombia stumbled upon this website, they would get a better impression. the people here actually make it sound better than it really is.

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Jebediah says on Jan 5, 2006, 00:28:

Hmmmm Wow,

I was looking forward to meeting colombian women on my travels, but this post has opened my eyes. I guess that not all the women are like that, but im sure theres quite a few that are... Guess ill just have to be careful and get her to buy me the beers!

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paisa29 says on Jan 5, 2006, 05:17:

Actually I am not complaining about the forum, it is about some stupid comments of some members

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Lucia Rojas says on Jan 5, 2006, 13:25:

This sucks
I agree with Colombiche and with Paisa29. This was an interesting forum to find information about Colombia, it is not anymore, specially when the information is given by some guy who married a Colombiana and thinks they know it all. Plus you guys who cant find a woman in your country have driven the regular women posters out of here. Havent you noticed? No more girls around... just a bunch of guys parading their testosterone and insulting anyone who disagrees with them ( like some italian flowers)or the others..... I STILL INSIST THERE IS GOOD PIZZA IN COLOMBIA AND GOOD, intelligent, educated, colombian women would not be interested in hooking up with you guys.. So you get what you deserve when one of those women you find god-knows-where screws with you. El vivo vive del bobo, dicen por ahi.

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Jebediah says on Jan 5, 2006, 14:28:

Golddiggers I think no matter what country you go to, there are women like this, there are also men like this as well. U just gotta keep your eyes open, and if you get played, then learn from it and move on.

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Colombiche says on Jan 5, 2006, 14:33:

Mario ... count Lucia Rojas in too, another Colombian woman with a good head on her shoulders. That makes 3 of us so far on this thread.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Crazy Eagle says on Jan 5, 2006, 14:38:

Mario & Colombiche Also Desi & WorldCitizen too. That brings the total up to 5.

Like I said earlier, we have to remember that we are guests in Colombia, and must behave ourselves! It is far too easy to write things that leave an impression of disrepect.

"Do you want to know what it is like inside a black hole? Then look around." Carl Sagan

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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Colombiche says on Jan 5, 2006, 14:42:

que jartera Morphus... are you kidding?

People on this website make Colombia sound better than it is? Whatever. When I am in Colombia and I think about some of the vile comments made on this site, I really think that they can't be referring to the same beautiful country where I grew up. PBH becomes surreal. This page mostly focuses on the dirty aspects of the country, which are really things that you could find elsewhere.

Sure Colombia has a bad reputation, but a lot of it is exaggerated and twisted out of shape by the freaking sensationalist media. I guess good stories don't sell as well as "porno-misery"... people get this quasy-orgasmic sense of satisfaction when they read about extreme violence and extreme poverty and even if things are looking up, they keep craving the morbid headlines.

Colombia has a bad reputation and it will take a long time to shake it off.

As the Spanish saying goes "Cria fama y hechate a dormir". If you build yourself a reputation, whether good or bad, you can go to sleep for years and that reputation will remain unchanged.

Why do you always go out of your way to be so offensive? I have never heard you say one nice thing about anyone or anything. Ever.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jan 5, 2006, 14:47:

Lucia You hit the nail right on the head. Some of these guys wonder why they can't find nice girls.. well, they seem pretty good at driving decent women away virtually, they must be even better at doing it in person.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jan 5, 2006, 14:49:

Colombia is like a catch all basin for all the bad rap of latin America. There are violent countries like El salvador and Honduras, but you never hear foreigners making a big stink out of it. Colombia gets so much media attention. I think the only people that have it as bad in terms of media abuse as Colombians are the Arabs.... and the outerspace aliens too. They never get portrayed in a positive light. LOL.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Crazy Eagle says on Jan 5, 2006, 14:57:

I think its an undiscovered jewel that just needs a bit of cutting & polishing.

"Caught between the twisted stars the plotted lines the faulty map that brought Colombus to New York." Lou Reed

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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toneloc24 says on Jan 5, 2006, 14:58:

Mestizoblood Do you mind sharing your nationality? Are you Colombian? And in what city was this occurring?

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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toneloc24 says on Jan 5, 2006, 15:23:

You're joking, right? Or exaggerating a bit No "woe is Colombia" stories, please.

The Arabs, and even the Indians (from India), got it BAD, right now, esp. since 9/11. In every country in the world, they are being profiled, rich, poor, Christian, whatever.

El Salvador, Honduras? Yeah, it's violent there, but who the fuck cares? Who goes there? And why? Most would say the same about Colombia, but we still come and see it ain't all that the media cracks it up to be.

Mexicans??? I still say fuck 'em, but is the USA building a huge ass wall to keep you (Colombians) out? That's gotta be the biggest bad rap in recent history. Like every Mexican is illegal. LOL!!!

Listen, when Colombia ADDRESSES its problems (drugs, war, violence, or even scandalous women in this case) and solves them internally, the media story will change. It's not as if other Colombians don't know about these types of women amongst them, yet do nothing or say nothing. Oh yeah, the papaya rule. It does reflect badly on normal Colombian ladies.

The media story already is trying to change, but drugs and war still exist, no matter how much you want to run from it, or sweep it under the rug. There's a long history down this path, and it's up to Colombia to resolve it. Until that time, there'll be that negative stigma, whether you or I disagree with it.

By the way, Argentina just repaid a chunk of their IM loan. Their president pledged to do so, and did so. That's how you make positive media stories around the world.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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platano says on Jan 5, 2006, 15:41:

I would like to hear more boy-girl stories like mine... Gringo falls in love with a beautiful professional Colombian woman, who more than pulls her own weight, and they live happily ever after. Was I just lucky to find a Colombian woman who has enriched my life tremendously? (Maybe people are looking in bars or internet sites instead of finding wealth in a Colombian bookstore or a library?)

plátano

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 5, 2006, 15:49:

So Lucia Rojas, when you post "GOOD, intelligent, educated, colombian women would not be interested in hooking up with you guys", I guess you are insulting the Colombiana that I married, a beautiful, smart, and educated chemical engineer. Typical of PBH. Even the people whining the most about unfair portrayals of Colombianas themselves manage to get in a few shots criticizing other Colombian women. This is why PBH is just for entertainment purposes. Any advice I need I get from my wife and her family.

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bkelly says on Jan 5, 2006, 16:32:

Que porqueria! Colombiche, tiene toda la razon...no vale la pena a leer la basura aqui en las paginas de PBH. Esta no es una pagina sobre elpais mas lindo en el mundo, esta es una pagina para que los hombres pueden venir y exagerar sobre sus cuentas de Colombianas. Naci en California pero soy Colombiano tambien y a mi me da pena con todas las colombianas por las cosas que algunos miembros han dicho.

--bkelly

--bkelly

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Principe says on Jan 5, 2006, 20:02:

huh??? I enjoy reading comments by everyone on this board.. but in all honesty, I have absolutely little to no interest in reading what a Colombiana has to say about issues such as golddiggers. It's a subeject that only a male extranjero would honestly be able to answer, as the male extranjero is the only one who is either married to a Colombiana, has been screwed around by a Colombiana, or dviorced from a Colombiana, or had a Colombiana novia. Yes, I like reading some of the posts by some of our female Colombian posters.., but seriously.. none of our Colombian female posters are/have been married to a Colombiana so their comments on this subject are worthless... at least to me. It's kind of like asking a gringo... what qualities does a Colombiana look for in a gringo. We're not really qualified to answer that.. just as a Colombiana really isnt qualified to give advice about not all Colombianas being golddiggers or qualities of golddiggers. how would a Colombaina know this.. have they ever married a Colombiana?

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 5, 2006, 21:05:

Colombiana married to Colombiana.....hot girl-on-girl action.....it's almost too much just thinking about it.

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morphus says on Jan 5, 2006, 22:46:

Colombiche, how am i offensive? Everybody knows Colombia has its negatives and certain things need to be pointed out, Heres a list of my latest postings:


1.Gringos Having Their Picture Taken -- Nothing negative here. I was just relating my experiences.

2.Barranquilleros think they are the best? -- I was told by people in Medellin that Barranquilleros think they are the best in Colombia. It was'nt something i made up on my own.

3.Homeless in Colombia Finding a Way -- Colombia has a problem with homeless people. Tourists in Colombia will have a lot of contact with them so i thought it would make a good topic.

4.Don't Mess With Taxi Drivers in Colombia -- I have been warned by Colombians about taxi drivers. I have'nt had many problems but thought it would be good to warn people.

5.Application Fees -- I was curious about application fees.

6.Medellin gets dissed about shooting -- I'm actually defending Colombia in the post. I was outraged to hear on American television that Medellin has incompetent security screeners at the airport. Anybody that has been through that airport knows that by the time they finish searching you, its like getting a 10 inch dildo rammed in your ass.

7.The United States of Colombia -- Again. just asking a question.

8.Drunk Driving in Colombia -- i was just comparing drunk driving in Colombia to the that in the U.S.

9.Hot Rods in Colombia -- I was just admiring an old car in Colombia that i never see in the U.S.

10.Who has the most regional pride? -- i admit that this was a dumb question but not offensive. everybody knows that they are all proud.

Other than that, i posted some pictures that a lot of people did'nt like for some strange reason. They said i was being macho. Now, i like posting the pictures to annoy them. They don't like when i talk about my girls in Colombia either. A lot of people talk about their wives and husbands though. Whats the difference?

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Lucia Rojas says on Jan 6, 2006, 12:56:

No UTC, I wasn’t insulting your wife... I am sure a lot of men have found nice, colombian women with whom they have a loving relationship, and from your previous comments you have made about your wife I am sure this is the case. It just comes to show how generalizations always hurt someone. I am sure they are also a lot of uneducated Colombians who can also make a man very happy and who can engage in loving relationships.
I don’t mind some bad mouthing of my country. I am the first to admit that Colombia has huge problems and specially huge behavioral problems. Some people will take advantage of every situation. Its the PAPAYA rule..( all of us on this forum know it) I will be the first to address them... But the way some of you here talk about Colombian women is degrading and the way some of you answer when the girls here try to step up and say something about it is not very nice.

The phenomena of women sleeping with men for money is as old as la panela.. and it doesn’t only happen in Colombia. ( And I am not talking about open prostitution) I am talking about those implicit exchanges that occur. I worked on asexual education project in the peruvian jungle and the problem we addressed the most was the fact that young girls in the jungle would sleep with men to get good gifts and to be taken out to eat. I called it SEXO POR POLLO y JEANS. Some of them find a good way to make a living like that. and sex with a normal machista peruvian ( and this is a generalization) would normally be worst anyways, because in machista society the man doesnt take the women sexual needs into account, so to a lot of women it becomes like a duty they have to fulfill. So its even better with the gringo and they get gifts. Sometimes, not always, love has only a small part in the equation. I worked with girls who were 17 and had 72 year old boyfriend because he is better provider. There is even a term in peruvian vocabulary to describe a man or woman who make a sport of finding gringos to give them stuff: it is BRICHERO/A and there’s even a movie about it called UN MARCIANO LLAMADO DESEO. It is not a new discovery that women or men do this and it is probably due to circumstances, lack of opportunities and machismo among other things. It is up to you guys to be wise about it and dont come back crying saying all colombianas are "prostitutes" and gold diggers. Plus I bet you guys have done your fair amount of hurting too, at some point or another.

Colombiche: we should start a band!!! … or a gang.. jejejejejej

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mestizoblood says on Jan 8, 2006, 11:50:

TO ALL COLOMBIANAS Dear PBH Colombian women

I am Colombian and what the post talked about happen in Bogota, seeing everybody responses I just have to mention that I kept few in mind, from the guys that I think they are right like Mario and seammckenna126 or at least it was what I wanted to hear anyway.
I feel a great concern for the women in this site and even Colombianos that will think a few spoiled apples can ruin the whole basket.
If I was asked last year if a gringo was ever cheated and observed as the dollar mine ever in Colombia, I would probably got pissed off. I have seen it and I didn’t like it.so now is different, but at least I was there to see it and I really tried to convince her of the opposite, so neither colombianos or colombianas we are all like that.
As for the guys, I didn’t have to bother in e-mailing the guy. From what I hear she is not doing so well, is sad but I can’t change the universe’s elliptical shape. It is what it is.
If in some way you (compatriotas) got offended, don’t bother, people who use their heads a little bit don’t think like that, I was with a woman like that and now I have a real nice Colombiana girlfriend that I love and it never crossed my mind that she would have been like her.
Those rats can really fool a man; a real man can’t be fool twice.
Don’t bother! Colombian girls are the best!
Thank you all.

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mcraig says on Jul 16, 2006, 21:20:

dumb gringo LOL 800 dollars doesnt pay my gas card bill . electricity bill. water bill a month. As pathetic as that sounds so lets put the guys money in perspective that is not rich. An every fool dude has to be burnt by a girl one time really hard so they can learn there lesson an be smarter the next time around.

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mcraig says on Jul 19, 2006, 14:31:

Ever heard the old saying! It dont matter how fine she is somebody is tired of screwing her.

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corazon en colombia says on Jul 19, 2006, 15:05:

Where is the line? Where is the line between trusting and stupid? I might trust the first time someone asked for money, maybe even a second, but all the time, no way. Evidently the guy doesn't care if he's throwing his money away. If he has so much and is dumb enough to throw all that money to a girlfriend he hardly sees and knows little about, let him do it. Obviously he has enough to do so. Some rich gringo has extra money to throw around, and some Colombians are getting a job out of what for him is migajas. Eventually he will see her true colors if he is actually looking. Of course there is always the chance that he is one of those that got the love bug in Colombia, "I met this Colombian girl, she is beautiful, I'm in love, yes I hardly know her, but I want to marry her." In that case, poor guy doesn't know what's coming, but I have the feeling he does.

Colombia = paradiso

Colombia = paradiso

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