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Monpirri says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:12:

Ok LaCampiña I hear you.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:22:

la campina,

What are your thoughts on the 10:00pm curfew the paracos have annuonced for all the barrios in Antioquia last week?

All the paisas were put on notice that no one is supposed to be on the streets and in their homes by 10:00pm. The paracos have been enforcing the curfew by making the presence known in the barrios until 3:00am.

The curfew has been put into affect to, as the notice states, keep drug addicts, troublemakers, thiefs, and prostitutes off the streets.

Why can't the police handle this situation, if it's so out of control that the paracos feel the need to imprison the locals?

It has been reported that many employers are letting their employees out of work early, so they do not miss the curfew.

The paracos are out in full force wearing black clothing from head to toe, while carrying firearms, in full view throughout the barrios in Antioquia.

What's going on there?

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manINred says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:28:

Medellin Traveler, methinks the situation is not as dire as you have painted it above. Have there really been curfews imposed? That will have been the first time in awhile, when it was downright dangerous to be on the street past dark.

Are you sure that these curfews have any legitimacy?

And most pressingly, what will the foreign and local whoremongers in Pobaldo do with such early curfews? ;)

But not a laughing matter really

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:40:

YES, the cufew is now in affect.

My post and comments above have been confirmed by many Paisas I spoke with today.

Off the streets by 10:00pm.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:48:

mt - really? all of medellin? weekends too? if so, this is a form of martial law and i cannot understand how they are getting away with it. is the local police force not trying to put a halt to the vigilantism?

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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la campiña says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:50:

I have no knowledge and experience their, I live in cali , but it sounds incredible, you can enlighten me i am in the dark

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manINred says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:51:

It depends on where you are. It cannot be so widespread as to include the whole of Antioquia, I have heard nothing of it, for example. But the fact that a curfew seems to be being imposed in certain areas doesn't surprise me.

It also strengthens my point as to why Medellin, and Colombia for that matter, is not going to become gringo-infested and a top tourist destination anytime soon. In fact, there seems to be many backwards steps taking place, the progress towards peace, prosperity and safety is decelerating.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:55:

"In fact, there seems to be many backwards steps taking place, the progress towards peace, prosperity and safety is decelerating"

- it won't matter if it is not being reported by major media publications. the rise of the tide has started. i'm not sure if it can be turned back at this point......

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:01:

It has been reported by the local media.

There are certain areas that are not affected by the curfew, it is not widespread.

My favorite barrio in Medellin has been put on notice. Two of my friends shops are now forced to close as of 10:00pm. The curfew is in affect throughout the week, many mom-n-pop shops are losing business.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:04:

so the police are not intervening? i mean if it works, great! however, it seems like the police would intervene.....

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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manINred says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:04:

That makes sense Medellin Traveler, it is sad to see curfews being imposed, they are a very primitive way to maintain civil order, by taking away civil liberties.

"- it won't matter if it is not being reported by major media publications. the rise of the tide has started. i'm not sure if it can be turned back at this point......"

It will be reported eventually. And the tide will turn once people start living less tasteful aspects of life in Medellin I'm afraid. Curfews are not conducive to happy people.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:06:

hmmmmmmm. an interesting year for colombia 2008 is turning out to be.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:08:

And... the lovely little shop I was remodeling has been affected as well.

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:10:

"The curfew is in affect throughout the week, many mom-n-pop shops are losing business."

To clarify, not just this week.. but for all seven days of the week until further notice.

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manINred says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:12:

Indeed tejasmarcos. I will give you an example of how changing security situations in Colombia affect tourism:

I went to San Agustin in 2006. It is in Huila (or Cauca), about 6 hours from Popayan. It is also in FARC land. It is a beautiful area of the country, but not the safest. When I went, I had no problems, but there was not very much tourism there. If it were Ecuador, Peru or Bolivia, there woudl have been a lot of tourists, but there weren't many, all things considered. Three years previously I was told by a family who took me into his house, tourism was BOOMING. Hotels were filled, he as a guide was employed constantly, but then the FARC started consolidating control of various roads and checkpoints, San Agustin had since become comparatively deserted, and the economy was suffering hard as a result.

It had picked up a bit when I went, but nothing compared to what it was previously. The ever-changing security situation has implications for the amount of foreigners who go there. At one point in 2006, the government closed various roads in and out of the close Neiva, the situation had deteriorated so much. I happened to be there at that time, but nothing bad happened, I just travelled by day with more caution (which I always do in southern Colombia).

There is no reason why a changing security situation should not have a similar effect on Medellin, if indeed the situation is changing drastically by any stretch of the imagination.

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la campiña says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:14:

and medellin home of the man escobar that built schools, barrios, and was very influencial financing the local and now very successful football team. To be honest I have not seen this on Caracol or rcn and I am astonishished, I cannot imagine it happening here in cali

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manINred says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:21:

la campina I too am surprised to hear this news, nor have I heard any reports. However a lot of what went on in Medellin in the Escobar years and 90s was not reported to the world at large. I have heard horror stories from people I know well, apparently sometimes people couldn't safely stand on their balconies at night for fear of getting shot, and that was when real curfews existed that were well-known and more widespread.

I am a bit dismayed to hear about this news, I must say.

That being said, people have been saying to me things are very tenuous and difficult in Colombia now, todo 'muy teso' en Colombia ahora, that's what they tell me, and they don't say it for no reason

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Man Tequila says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:28:

Couldn't see anything about a curfew in the online Medellin papers... but I wouldn't be extremely surprised given what else is going on at the moment.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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RAAAY says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:32:

M.T...............many people on this board have accused you of being a tad naive on occasions............some have said to you that you seem succeptable to highly questionable stories from " your Colombian friends "......................

Who knows............you don't seem dumb to me.........

But I'll guarantee you this..................pick any barrio or barrios you want................I'll take a few snap-shots from them tomorrow night between 10pm and midnight..............

That story you just wrote about........is pure cock and bull......

Tell me where you want pics from...........no dancing around it.......seriously..........

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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la campiña says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:35:

maybe its the famous chismosos because without being a know all surely this news would make national headlines of which like yourself I have seen neither head nor tail, however this is colombia and I for one am still searching for rhyme and reason, and as my wife says, " empanadas con salsa picante no es curry" bless, the curse of the english hahe

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manINred says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:38:

"But I'll guarantee you this..................pick any barrio or barrios you want................I'll take a few snap-shots from them tomorrow night between 10pm and midnight.............."

That's a bold move, he could set you up in a very not-nice part of town ;)

Your optimism is nice to hear, I hope these curfews are not in fact legitimate, for that matter, real. I'll sure enough have the answer tomorrow.

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Man Tequila says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:40:

I call 'em as I see 'em. I'm talking about my impressions of people I have met in person, not saying here whether their stories are true, or much embellished. If some people want to see me as naive, all the power to 'em.

I have not met Medellin Traveller, he seems reasonably credible; certainly has no reason or history of showing Medellin in a bad light, which an alleged curfew over parts of the city would seem to do. But he could be credulous. I look forward to your pictures and more info.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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RAAAY says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:44:

manfred........." he could set you up "...........hee hee...............MT is a really nice guy......would'nt do that................

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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la campiña says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:46:

I realy dont think its worth endangering yourself for a fun web site , I believe anything is possible here and I live here and have done so for 7 years , take some bizzare fotos of your left elbow with your left hand it always makes the kids chuckle

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RAAAY says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:48:

Like I said................I don't consider him dumb ................several people have jumped over him here in the past for being naive and for being the person the Colombians would look at .....and then take the piss out of him....................I'm not saying this.....

I go all over the city every day of the week............I do shag all else but talk to people who know what is what...................This story is pure cock and bull.......guranteed.........


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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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goin_south says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:49:

La_Campiña.... if your phone rings tonight.... IT COULD BE D.A.S.!
or, me.

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:50:

Hey pick a estato 1 o estrato 2 of this website below , and send RAAAY
with his caamera y AK 47 into action.
www.monografias.com/trabajos14/desigsociales/desigsociales.shtml

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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Man Tequila says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:54:

Guess you meant the other MT.

I would expect the local media to report it on the web if it was reported in other local media though. Hmm, maybe Raaay is riiiight?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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RAAAY says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:56:

If MT tells me where he wants me to go......................I'll be there....pics to follow..........no hesitation. This story is pure rubbish.



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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 4, 2008, 22:03:

RAAAY ,
I do believe you would , but then he might say you took the photo a hour before curfew.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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la campiña says on Mar 4, 2008, 22:13:

i realy miss home made pickled onions from my mom in th uk

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 5, 2008, 01:03:

where this curfew has been taken place which areas? I know the paramilitary do this in low estrato areas. they do it In Cartagena too but again in poor areas.

engage brain before opening mouth

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lampltr says on Mar 5, 2008, 01:55:

manINred, correct....some towns of Valle de Cauca was same during last elections with total lock-down during the day to refuse voter turnout (Like it would make a big difference anyways). Current situation? Do know the military are out of the areas by dusk and being a gringo, one would retire indoors a bit earlier.
la campiña, you too are right but then again everything there could be in place in Colombia in the future if nothing is done now. Would anyone dare to venture out on the streets at dusk in the cities if situations were like many barrios in Caracus. In addition, the population is only allowed to remove $5K per year out of country per year...there are many more socialistic programs to list but we all get the hint. Colombia is near perfect the way it is right now but with only a few more tweakings.

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 5, 2008, 03:26:

RAAAY says,

"M.T...............many people on this board have accused you of being a tad naive on occasions............some have said to you that you seem succeptable to highly questionable stories from " your Colombian friends "......................

Who knows............you don't seem dumb to me.........

But I'll guarantee you this..................pick any barrio or barrios you want................I'll take a few snap-shots from them tomorrow night between 10pm and midnight..............

That story you just wrote about........is pure cock and bull......

Tell me where you want pics from...........no dancing around it.......seriously.........."

The Paisas, who over my first trips to Medellin, proved to me how safe Medellin is today, are the same Paisa who now have no problem shieldinig the truth from me, have told me what is going on. I had this confirmed by several sources.

RAAAY, you're suggestion my not actually not apply to you, a gringo in their eyes. Do you think this curfew would apply in El Poblado? Nope, nor would it probably not apply to gringos.

manINred, says, "That being said, people have been saying to me things are very tenuous and difficult in Colombia now, todo 'muy teso' en Colombia ahora, that's what they tell me, and they don't say it for no reason"

I made the same comment in another thread and have been told that tensions are night high in Colombia. I disagree. The Colombians I speak to, who are not afraid to tell me, or hide their true feelings from me, tell me it is so.

I do believe Robi666 may be able to confirm my story. He seems to know what's really going on in MDE today.

Also read this http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/los-paracos-in-control-of-medell...

rob666,
What have you heard?

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rocinante says on Mar 5, 2008, 04:15:

"What are your thoughts on the 10:00pm curfew the paracos have annuonced for all the barrios in Antioquia last week?" -MT

"M.T...............many people on this board have accused you of being a tad naive on occasions............some have said to you that you seem succeptable to highly questionable stories from " your Colombian friends "......................Ray.

MT you know I admire your passion and your zest for all things Medellín. I feel you and I explore and experience in very much the same way. However just before your Jan. party you had only been here 3 vacations, a week apiece totaling 21 days. Now you are up to 28.

This is probably why some people are a little hesitant to accept some information you provide. Unfortunately it takes some time to gain respect on this board. I remember after my 1st trip I posted that 80% of Colombians didn't have hot water. I got lambasted - but I was right.

Paraco curfews are nothing new in the expansion barrios. But you mention all barrios in Antioquia and then alter that to "some barrios" and then "not if you are a gringo". So maybe this is why...?

This past weekend in Robledo Diamante Saturday night, usually a huge party in the street until late late late - everything died down at 10PM. I thought it was extremely odd.

I'll see what I can find out. But please don't send Ray to barrio Popular with his water pistol.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 5, 2008, 05:58:

either way, the debate has sparked the investigative approach to find out what is what. sounds like we now have a few "pbh i-team investigative reporters" on the story. good job, guys...

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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NJ C Rep says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:01:

We will always be there to kick Chavez's at $$ as long as he feels it is nesessary to bend over and talk out of his at $$...

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tomtom33 says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:02:

I can't speak for MDE because I have been in Cartagena since Jan. 30. There is no curfew in el Laguito.

My novia has spent time in Guarne and in Santa Monica overnight and has said nothing about any kind of curfew. We talk daily.

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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:16:

.

M.T........I asked you a very specific question..................do you wonder why I also asked it three times ?..................and also asked you to answer it with " no dancing around " Could it be I was expecting you to dance around and not answer..?


And here ,I read your reply...........you don't answer the question........and you engage in dancing around..............



MT says..... " RAAAY, you're suggestion my not actually not apply to you, a gringo in their eyes. Do you think this curfew would apply in El Poblado?

Why are you talking about Poblado...........I did'nt mention Poblado......You did'nt mention Poblado...........I rarely go to Poblado.......what has Poblado got to do with what we were talking about ? Why are you changing the subject ?


I asked you a simple question.........tell me where this is happening and I'll go there. Simple. A spot here....a spot there......possibly.....for localized reasons..................All the barrios in Antioquia.....No........tell me where, I'll go get some info. Stop dancing around and changing the subject...........





RAAAY says on

" If MT tells me where he wants me to go......................I'll be there....pics to follow..........no hesitation. "



."....pick any barrio or barrios you want................

Tell me where you want pics from...........no dancing around it.......seriously.........."


.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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gringoloid says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:30:

maybe its just a misunderstanding.........................this past weekend I had colombian friends in from Los Angeles.

my girlfriend and I were to meet them at a restaurant..........................my girlfriend wouldn't go as her employer told her she must stay indoors. she said there may be a FARC bomb in the restaurant.

i didn't think there was a bomb in the restaurant so i took a calculated risk and went to dinner with my friends without my girlfriend. I could not convince her to go.

it may be a self imposed curfew.

this is the kind of thing that really pisses me off about FARC...........when innocent people feel that they can't leave their homes.

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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:39:

Gringoloid...................totally different thing to what we were discussing...........no comparisson whatsoever........................


.Do I think it's possible that FARC might retaliate in some dramatic fashion to last week's events.............?? Do cats drink milk ??

I'm a little surprised that FARC have not responded already........maybe they need more time to properly organize something really dramatic........

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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gringoloid says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:47:

yea, i agree, ray, ..............i'm just saying it may be a misunderstanding.

i'm surprised too that there has not been any response. the only thing i'm doing differently is not hanging around at the Bogota Beer Company. that's where the farc rolled in some grenades a few years ago.

as soon as all the headlines die down............they're going to react. (just my opinion, ....i could be wrong)

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 09:33:

I was not posting because it was a good way to get rid of RAAAY...
Anyway... just as an example...

Colombia, 01 de Febrero de 2008
Las �?guilas Negras anuncian “limpieza�? social en el barrio Santa Lucía de Medellín

La comunidad del barrio Santa Lucía, al sur occidente de Medellín, está conmocionada por la aparición de un panfleto de las llamadas �?guilas Negras, en el cual anuncian una campaña de limpieza social de viciosos, combos y en el que se declara, además, blanco de ataque a dos establecimientos abiertos al público del sector.

El pasquín del grupo ilegal señala que ante la ausencia del Estado y el aumento de viciosos, alcohólicos, lugares para comercializar alucinógenos y negocios donde ponen música con mucho volumen hasta altas horas de la noche, ejercerán actividades de justicia privada.

http://noticiasrcn.com.co/content/aguilas-negras-anuncian-“limpiezaâ...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 09:38:

But this is nothing new... they just never really stopped.

That said, I must ask again M_T to find a balance in his thought about Colombia.
When he first started posting, everything was good, nice, all people honest...
And now a curfew in Medellin... naaa
Certain very remote areas are experiencing it...

For example another case in Santa Cruz Terminal..
They were giving away fliers something like a month ago, and now paracos are being seen patrolling in a black camioneta everynight.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 09:41:

I could get my hand on one of those fliers if I'd want. But why?
I could tell stories on here that would not be believed by most, but then i would have to enter a testimony protection program...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 09:45:

Again, M_T, find a good balance.
Tiene que cuidarse, compadre. All those good friends from poor barrios, all those strolls up on the hills... I would bet my balls that someone was already thinking about targeting you.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 09:49:

I am living in El Poblado. I am still trying to like the rich Colombians who live here. They are inviting me to enter El Club Campestre, their social parties, they are really nice, but... I just don't fit in it anymore.
I would feel more comfortable in La Estrella or Itagui...

So, why do I live here? (Apart from the fact it is just beautiful ). I have a family to take care of.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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mranderson says on Mar 5, 2008, 09:50:

I guess I should start carrying around my camara. what do you think would happen if I took a pic of one of these guys allegedly dressed in black carrying some sort of firearm? I'll be an "i-team investigative reporter!" As a precaution, perhaps I'll turn the flash off.

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 09:55:

You don't mess with shit if you are not really forced to. Curiosity killed the cat.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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huskie says on Mar 5, 2008, 12:42:

Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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manINred says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:02:

Great album!

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Monpirri says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:18:

YMCA, In the Navy..this type of voltiarepas had some good tunes.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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huskie says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:21:

This is a joke, not to be taken seriously
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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huskie says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:28:

Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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manINred says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:41:

I was talking about Neil Young

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:48:

Yes MiR, the best album ever done.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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rocinante says on Mar 5, 2008, 14:02:

I agree Robbi - the people in Poblado suck. I could never live there in a million years. Itagui is awesome but a little removed. Best bet is a down the hill on the hill estrato 3/4. I hate to use the word estrato but uh sometimes it's necessary.... Also a Simon Bolivar is a great blend on the high side - more suited to people who want to get the heck out of presumido-ville but still have class. They still close the streets in SB during some nights durante la navidad.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 5, 2008, 14:34:

RAAY,
Sorry that I did not answer your question. I posted my initial comment late last night, and did not think it was going to put me in a position to have to explain myself, my goal was just put out this story to not only make others aware, but to see if others had heard about what's going on. I did not get all the details because my conversations with my paisa friends did not focus on the paraco curfew.

My early morning post before work, was not an attempt to dance around any questions because I simple don't know the whole story. But, my reply did have some influence, namely the article where the paraco boss states that he is working with the army to make sure the tourist are safe. And, becuase of my personal feelings that El Poblado, is a relatively secure neighborhood where the paracos have no need to excercise their power, or whatever you want to call it.

What I have heard is that relatively new "Aguilas Negras" paramilitary group started delivering flyers to homes and businesses in certain barrios a few weeks ago with the curfew notice. As I posted above, and Robi666's article states, the reasons and targets for the curfew have been drug dealers, drunks, drug addicts, prostitution, and the article above mentions mom-n-pop shops who blare music into the wee-hours of the morning as the targeted barrios.

Robi666 commented that this is nothing new. This is new to me. I traveled to Medellin and everyone went out of their way to show me the best of Medellin. I had the opportunity to visit many barrios with my new paisa friends. In the past, they would not say anything negative about Medellin to me, they always seemed reluctant to give me details. I don't know what has changed, but these same paisas, now have become very open to me about many things that go on in Medellin that the average tourist will not see.

I rode the metro, went up to Santo Domingo on the cable car, Parque Lleras, explored El Poblado. But, I am now past the honeymoon with my love affair with Medellin. I have jumped off the metro and now walk through many lower estrato neighborhoods in Antioquia, many times on my own, late at night.

In my quest to learn more about Medellin, it has opened my eyes to what is underneath the transformation of Medellin, it's business as usual because the paracos have never truly demobilized, they are back in full force.

RAAAY, again... my post was to alert PBH members regarding "Aguilas Negras" latest curfew orders, and to learn more from others regarding what is happening in Medellin today. Armed "Aguilas Negras" paramilitary have been patrolling specific barrios (which ones I don't know with the exception of my favorite barrio) all dressed in black for some time now, 10:00pm until 3:00am.

Now, I do not want to send anyone into any barrio to find out if it's true or not, because my post was not intended to prove or disprove anything, but to inform. If anyone is in Medellin, all they have to do is jump into a cab in the evening and take a ride to Itagui, ask the driver "what time is the curfew tonight?" and wait for his reply. The taxi drivers are a very informed group who seem to know what's happening in Medellin. Now, when I say Medellin, I mean Antioquia, it's just that I know everyone is more familiar with MDE than specific barrios.

Robi666,
I hope no one has targeted me in any of the barrios. As I have mentioned, I walk into, throughout, and climp up deep into the barrios overlooking Antioquia by myself, at all hours, day or night. In two particular barrios, everyone knows who I am. I do not know if this is a good thing or not, but I have always felt safe walking around by myself.

In any case, as your article states, "Aguilas Negras" is out enforcing the curfew they imposed on the locals, for whatever reasons.

It also backs up my initial post. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, is a whole different matter.

It is what it is.

And, if Tejasmarcos ever translates the article "El Rearme Paramilitar" he may want to share with PHB what the article covers regarding the paracos influence in the Antioquia.

I may not have all the answers, but I never claimed I did, I've only been in MDE for about 28 days, but learn on each and everyone of my trips, including other sources; PBH, Colombianblog, Paisa friends, reading, research, and by my simple curiosity to learn more.

Interested in hearing what others have heard about the situation.

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 14:36:

Why I see a picture of Miguel_Clavo, Ray and Chavez on here? Where and when did they get it?

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 14:54:

Again, what's the news about Aguilas Negras in Medellin? It is more than one year now that I hear about them. In Santa Marta, too, before the war with Los Nevados.

By the way, about SM, it just happened what I was saying one year ago. Santa Marta is now number 7 in Colombia from 16 in murdering, up there with Cali.
http://www.seguridadydemocracia.org/docs/pdf/seguridadUrbana/seguridad...

M_T, you are just discovering that people have a lot to tell but they just don't do it at first.
If you remember, what you're saying now, it is exactly the same thing me and, if i remember well, GIB were writing in another thread of yours.

About targeting. No, I am not saying Aguilas Negras were targeting you. There are lots of common criminals gangs out there. Los Colombianos son torcidos, compadre.

But Aguilas and other new groups are also responsible of extorsion and kidnapping all over Colombia.
Have a look at http://www.seguridadydemocracia.org/docs/pdf/especiales/informeEspecia....

Paracos are not exactly boys scouts or tourism friendly as someone paint them on this site. Especially when they need money.

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 5, 2008, 15:07:

Also wanted to post this http://medellin-colombia.blogspot.com/2007/10/walking-and-talking-in-m... for those who want to think that I always post negative reports.... my blog should dispel all those thoughts. I am just curious to learn whatever I can about my MDE, good, bad, or otherwise.

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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 15:16:

Such a long post.............f**k..........where do I start...........


MT " Sorry that I did not answer your question."...........

Huge post and you have still ignored it. Once again......." I asked you a simple question.........tell me where this is happening and I'll go there."


MT " my goal was just put out this story to not only make others aware, but to see if others had heard about what's going on "


This is what you wrote........
MT.....................................

" the 10:00pm curfew the paracos have annuonced for all the barrios in Antioquia last week?

All the paisas were put on notice that no one is supposed to be on the streets and in their homes by 10:00pm. The paracos have been enforcing the curfew by making the presence known in the barrios until 3:00am.

The paracos are out in full force wearing black clothing from head to toe, while carrying firearms, in full view throughout the barrios in Antioquia."


Now you say..........MT.." because I simple don't know the whole story."


This is the only thing you say that makes sense.........yes....you simply do not know the whole story.

In light of that you should not be so loose with hyped up and dramatic bullshit. Paraco activity goes on here all the time. It is in every sinew of life here.......but at a very underlying and overt level. None of their activities are covert in the manner you so dramatically describe.

If people here are feeding you this tripe, I'd seriously begin to question their motives. Are you making it up, or are your "friends". If it is your friends, telling you that they are living in the Wild West.......why are they feeding you this nonsense..??

Tell me where is this " my favourite barrio ". I'll send you a few snap-shots of normal life there........tonight........after 10pm.

And really............If you, above all people, are going to spread such dramatic stories........it would be nice if you knew they were true first.

Now, I'm going to have a shower.......something to eat.........I'll set off around 9pm...........tell me where............you'll have my report around 1am.


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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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durito says on Mar 5, 2008, 15:38:

Octubre 31 de 2006

Las 'Ã?guilas negras', grupo conformado por desmovilizados de las autodefensas, ya azotan 5 regiones
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Foto: Archivo / EL TIEMPO
Tras la desmovilización del bloque Catatumbo, apareció el grupo denominado las '�guilas negras'.

También forman parte de ellas personas que siendo integrantes de estas organizaciones jamás depusieron sus armas. Están dedicadas básicamente al crimen organizado.

Las '�guilas' nacieron hace dos años en Norte de Santander y hoy ocupan el espacio dejado por los 'paras', especialmente en ese departamento, Santander, Cesar, Caquetá y Antioquia.

Según las autoridades, son patrocinadas por narcos. El presidente �lvaro Uribe ordenó perseguirlos hace 12 días.

"Ya saben cómo operar, tienen contactos y sus víctimas los conocen", aseguró un investigador que calcula que en ellas habría cerca de 1.300 hombres.

Uribe, en su reacción al atentado con carro bomba en la Escuela Superior de Guerra, en Bogotá, les exigió a las FF.MM. combatirlas.

"Lucha frontal contra las bandas emergentes, contra los grupos llamados '�guilas negras', contra los desmovilizados que reincidan", pidió Uribe.

Alianza con los narcos

Según los investigadores, nacieron tan solo tres meses después de la desmovilización del Bloque Catatumbo de las Auc.

Con este grupo se desmovilizó Salvatore Mancuso, entonces jefe máximo del Bloque Norte de las Auc, y era segundo al mando 'Jorge 40', quien ha cobrado resonancia ahora por las revelaciones de su computador.

El objetivo de la creación, dice un informe de los investigadores, es "retomar el control perdido en el proceso de desmovilización y reanudar actividades del narcotráfico en el Catatumbo y el municipio de Puerto Santander".

Las '�guilas negras' en esta zona hacen presencia en Cúcuta, Chinácota, El Tarra, Tibú, Zulia y Puerto Santander.

Igualmente, según las autoridades, tienen influencia en Santander y Cesar, especialmente en Ocaña y Aguachica.

El jefe principal es un hombre conocido como 'Jorge', secundado por 'Julio', encargado de las finanzas, y 'Camilo', comandante militar.

Por la conformación de este grupo, un fiscal de Cúcuta dictó hace 15 días orden de captura contra Carlos Mario Jiménez, 'Macaco', el desmovilizado jefe del Bloque Central Bolívar (Bcb) de las autodefensas que está en La Ceja.

Los investigadores estiman que las '�guilas negras' en Norte de Santander tienen 360 integrantes y que están patrocinados por los 'Pepes', los 'Boyacos' y los 'Pulpos', grupos del narcotráfico de la región.

Extorsionan con pasquines a fincas

Las '�guilas negras' también hacen presencia en la zona cafetera antioqueña, donde se han detectado miembros del bloque Cacique Pipintá.

En Ciénaga (Magdalena) apareció un grupo con este nombre que, según la Policía, comenzó a repartir pasquines en algunas fincas del área rural con el propósito de extorsionar a los agricultores

En Chocó se han detectado las Autodefensas Campesinas Unidas del Norte del Valle (Acun) -las mismas de 'Jabón'- en la zona del río San Juan, medio y bajo Atrato. No se tiene claro si este grupo en cercanías de Istmina comparten territorio con las '�guilas Negras'.

Ex vocero 'para', jefe en Caquetá

Los informes oficiales señalan que en Caquetá las '�guilas negras' surgieron tras la desmovilización, en febrero pasado, del frente Andaquíes.

Según un documento oficial, jefes de ese grupo montaron esa estructura para manejar el narcotráfico en la zona. "El líder es Juan Carlos Monje Alvarado, el 'Monje', quien fue vocero del frente Andaquíes en la desmovilización", aseguró un investigador.

Según la fuente, 'Monje', con orden de captura por homicidio, se internó tras la desmovilización en San Antonio de Getucha, donde con sus hombres cercanos creó la banda con 70 combatientes.

Su zona de influencia abarca Milán, Morelia, Paujil, Doncello, Florencia y parte del departamento de Huila.

Las autoridades dicen que son financiados por el cartel del Norte del Valle, con el 'impuesto' que les cobran a los expendedores de base de coca y con extorsiones a comerciantes y ganaderos.

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 15:43:

Thanks durito.
October 2006, got it?

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:07:

robi666, "About targeting. No, I am not saying Aguilas Negras were targeting you. There are lots of common criminals gangs out there. Los Colombianos son torcidos, compadre.

That's how I read it.


RAAAY, " I asked you a simple question.........tell me where this is happening and I'll go there."

This news article reports that las "Aguilas Negras" have announced a social cleansing initiative in barrio Santa Lucia... RAAAY, you can start by checking this barrio out if you want.
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Las �?guilas Negras anuncian “limpieza��? social en el barrio Santa Lucía de Medellín

La comunidad del barrio Santa Lucía, al sur occidente de Medellín, está conmocionada por la aparición de un panfleto de las llamadas �?guilas Negras, en el cual anuncian una campaña de limpieza social de viciosos, combos y en el que se declara, además, blanco de ataque a dos establecimientos abiertos al público del sector.

El pasquín del grupo ilegal señala que ante la ausencia del Estado y el aumento de viciosos, alcohólicos, lugares para comercializar alucinógenos y negocios donde ponen música con mucho volumen hasta altas horas de la noche, ejercerán actividades de justicia privada.
__________________________________

RAAAY, "In light of that you should not be so loose with hyped up and dramatic bullshit. Paraco activity goes on here all the time. It is in every sinew of life here.......but at a very underlying and overt level. None of their activities are covert in the manner you so dramatically describe."

Sorry, but I do not live in MDE, and have never been exposed to paraco activity. You are lucky, you get to see it first hand, since you live there. My post was not intended to by hyped up, regardless of how it may have read to you.


RAAAY, "If people here are feeding you this tripe, I'd seriously begin to question their motives. Are you making it up, or are your "friends". If it is your friends, telling you that they are living in the Wild West.......why are they feeding you this nonsense..??"

Again, these are the same people that showed me the transformation of MDE. As far as motives, why would three competely different paisa, who do not know each other, confirm the same story regarding the curfew? They never described it as living in the Wild West. They just told me the story, I thought it was of importance to share with others on PBH, that's all.


RAAY, "Now, I'm going to have a shower.......something to eat.........I'll set off around 9pm...........tell me where............you'll have my report around 1am."

Again, my post was not to send someone off into the "wild west" (sic) to take pictures late at night when there is a curfew in affect.....

BUT.... since you're so adamant about going to check it out.

LET'S DO IT!

If nothing else, for shits-and-giggles....

(photos deleted)

These three places should be busy with the after work crowd. As well as catering to the late-night party crowd who likes to enjoy a few beers at these establishments before calling it a night.

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:13:

RAAAY,

I will send you the location with directions to your personal and private email once you confirm that you are game.

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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:17:

I have'nt read your above post yet..............just the short one............whatever it is......I'm game.....................send info...............Now I'll read what you wrote.............hope I did'nt commit to giving Robi a back rub.......hee hee..........

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:25:

Yes...........read the Post...................I've got my sneakers......bright coloured plaid pants.......and a nice pink shirt on.................I'll be off at 9pm...............loaded down with camera equipment and a pocketfull of pesos..................send address..................


weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....................


.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:28:

Ray, send me your wife phone number... you know, just in case...

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:30:

RAAAY,

Check your email.

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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:30:

lol.............I'm still waiting for MT's e-mail................nothing yet.....



Ok...........got it now......................Report later.............

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:30:

robi666,

what? you're not going with him?

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gringoloid says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:34:

raay, take that AK-47 with you.

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:47:

M_T, I am not going, maybe we can send Medoblado... Medooooo?

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 5, 2008, 16:52:

I believe Mendo is back in the states.

I wonder how his trip went? It's always hard to tell with him.

Send tejasmarcos...

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robi666 says on Mar 5, 2008, 17:31:

PalmTree!

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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 19:54:

Well................I've just returned from my Barrio trip................................Trip report to follow


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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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eywed says on Mar 5, 2008, 20:04:

Looks like you can tell us about the medical system in Colombia first hand.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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miamimike says on Mar 5, 2008, 20:17:

Has Mike Tyson been spending time in Col? Wow...

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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rocinante says on Mar 5, 2008, 20:44:

Ray go to MT's fav barrio on super party Saturday at 11PM. That will be a better indicator than during the week as no one works the next day. The lights went dim and the streets were empty in Robledo Diamante last Saturday night. I didn't note the time but it was around 10-11 ish

Too busy today to do research... I missed Bourdain.

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manINred says on Mar 5, 2008, 21:04:

Is that for real Ray or are you taking the piss?

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Robert Jorge says on Mar 6, 2008, 00:17:

Raaay, you are ugly. ...... but what happened?

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huskie says on Mar 6, 2008, 01:18:

You are joking right? My god is that for real? What happened?
Cheers

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 6, 2008, 03:19:

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

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rocinante says on Mar 6, 2008, 07:04:

Curfew - This is real and has been implemented over the past month. There is no more party in the streets in the barrios populares (Just like I saw in Robledo last Saturday). The aim is to keep the peace and crime off the streets (drugs, theft). If you are on the street minding your own business - not a problem.

The reason for MT's friend's stores being shut down is because they pose a threat in the eyes of the Black Aguilas. Quiet bars or store fronts in areas where there is not much crime are allowed to stay open. You will not be able to buy a media on most of these barrios after 10PM. Obviously Poblado, Laureles and the like are not really affected.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 14:43:

I met poor RAAAY... he was beaten hard, but succeeded in shooting pictures of the barrio and the paracos.
Here you have one.



And this is Ray: i could not recognize him... poor guy, but he still can drink a beer

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 14:55:

jajajjaj robbie666

engage brain before opening mouth

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la campiña says on Mar 6, 2008, 15:21:

ok a few days on, ¿the curfew in medellin was correct?, still seen nothing or maybe other news is pushing this realy quite alarming news to the back pages?

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 6, 2008, 15:41:

i missed the "beat em up" photo. RE-POST! RE-POST!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 15:44:

Can't find the pic..............but this is one of Robi

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 15:46:

Jesus Christ, RAAAY, the only time I saw a guy in those conditions after being beaten, it was in a bar in Times Square, some years ago.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 6, 2008, 15:59:

damn, hoss! the guy obviously hooked you with a right...

could have been worse. nothing like a little ass woopin to bring clarity into one's life. how long did you swear off drinkin? a week? ;) been there, done that.....

looks like your nose stayed in tact. that's good.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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