Newborn Baby Dumped In Trash DEAD; Colombian Street Justice in ACTION.

rocinante says on Aug 9, 2008, 06:04:

Wondering who calls the shots on something like this? Sometimes there is a "town meeting" but it depends on the crime. Don't be suprised if the family of the father of the murdered child had something to do with this or EVEN the family of the woman who murdered - although I doubt the latter.

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rocinante says on Aug 9, 2008, 06:04:

Street Justice

"In support of Simon, drugs in Colombia carry a VERY negative stagmatism. The percentage of users is extremely LOW compared to the US or Europe where smoking pot is considered a social thing. People are caught smoking or dealing pot in some barrios and are forcibly and permanently evicted. This is not a joke. There is a very religious and conservative outlook on using drugs in this country and you will be labeled "Satanico" for wearing an Iron Maiden T-Shirt." me (http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/presidential-candidates-view-on-...)

This is what I was talking about. Colombian Estrato 5/6 expatriates living abroad and foreigners who moved to to a Colombian estrato 5/6 hardly ever see the street justice exists.

I got razzed in some other posts (http://india.poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/what-is-the-funniest-or-mo...) about street justice being responsible for permanently removing someone from a neighbborhood. I wasn't always talking about death.

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Bill Turley (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 9, 2008, 06:25:

rocinante says on Aug 9, 2008, 06:28:

People get cast out of barrios all the time.

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Medellin Traveler says on Aug 9, 2008, 06:38:

rocinante says, "People get cast out of barrios all the time."

That does seem to be the case when death is not warranted for whatever crimes or wrongs were commited.

The people in the barrios sometimes say of murdered victims in street justice, "they asked for it."

What´s interesting is how no one seems tramautized, including young children.

On one of my earlier trips up the hill alone, I was not sure were to turn, there were about five guys hanging out, saw I was lost, and pointed me into the right direction, knowing were I was going even though I¨ve never seen these guys before. Yesterday, this woman I was speaking with told me her son was interrogated a few weeks back as he walked up the hill to visit her. They did not know who he was, complete stranger in the barrio, he was escorted to his mother´s home, everything turned out okay.

There are eyes and ears in every barrio, including an unofficial "mayor" so to speak, who holds the meetings dealing with sensitive issues.

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 9, 2008, 06:54:

Sounds like paramilitary violence to me. I have heard about many cases like this one: a young woman hiding pregnancy for like ever, unable to get an abortion, scared shitless about the future goes on a does something stupid without thinking about the real meaning of throwing a living creature in a bin, literally. Abortion should be legal and accessible...its precisely that narrow minded catholic mentality what caused this tragedy.

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rocinante says on Aug 9, 2008, 07:14:

It seems every barrio (or area of barrio) has a mayor.

The problem with abortion is that it is costly. If someone here wants one there are ways to get them. Yes it's more difficult but some doctors perform the procedure. I feel if it were legal that the above would still have taken place due to the fact of the monetary cost.

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 9, 2008, 07:24:

It doesn't have to be a costly procedure. When done correctly (legally) is safer and simpler than a birth, it can be induced through a pill or an ambulatory procedure that does not require heavy investment. Abortions are expensive in Colombia because they're illegal, not because they're complicated. Abortions in the UK, for instance, are cheaper than an ultrasound (if done privately).
If these girls were given the chance to go to a local clinic and get an abortion in a sterile environment nobody would have to worry about dying in the procedure, picking up baby bodies while collecting the trash, or being brutally murdered by some imbecile with a gun.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 9, 2008, 07:38:

i'll tell you how abortion takes place....it's not expensive...my house maid, years ago used it.

there's a place downtown, a farmacia, where a women gets--as i remember--3 pills. she takes these, and her body goes into trauma and slughs off the fetus. cost? less than $10.00

dwmte

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Medellin Traveler says on Aug 9, 2008, 07:54:

dwmte7,

You are correct, there is a pill that women can take to abort the fetus. I know a Costa Rican girl who purchased the pill at the farmacia and it worked for her. It made her sick as a dog in the process, but no bebe.

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rocinante says on Aug 9, 2008, 08:41:

And using condoms is cheaper than a child birth and an abortion. This woman may have decided AFTER birth that she didn't want the child - I mean she carried the baby for nine months - I doubt no one knew. Abortion suddenly seems to be an inexpensive option (Douglas quotes 10 measly bucks for a pill and a 3 day sickness). So perhaps the decision to murder the child occurred after birth.

So can we say the imbecile with the gun whacked a woman who stuffed a cloth in an infant's mouth and wrppaed him in a plastic bag and tossed him in the dumpster? And not a woman who had an abortion? Abortion is available for ten bucks, no doctor. Or maybe we don't know the circumstances of the situation - obviously. Maybe she didn't want an abortion throughout her term and a circumstance arose after birth. We don't know.

Meaning...

Although I chimed in on abortion, this post is about street justice and the murder of a murderer as handled by a neighborhood vigilante (English definition of vigilante) - not about the murder of a woman who had an abortion. She didn't have one and apparently the option is available and cheap.

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Cerealkiller says on Aug 9, 2008, 09:23:

These pills douglas and MT mentioned are not abortives, they're medications usually prescribed for other conditions which are grossly misused by poor women to interrupt pregnancies. Very often are this pills the cause of fatal hemorrhages, so its not safe and ultimately not cheap.
I don't believe whoever shot this young woman killed her rightfully. Doesn't matter if she planned on getting rid of the child from the get go. I am sure the heartless bastard who did that was not going to take care of the creature had she kept it, fed it, paid for school. If these people knew who did it, the should have reported her to the authorities. Whoever killed her deserves to be put in jail for 1st degree murder.

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Sam Salmon says on Aug 9, 2008, 09:37:

"What´s interesting is how no one seems traumatized, including young children."
Not in any way true.
Those people in the barrio live a brutal existence-a life unimaginable to us on this board.

Sad to say that abandoned babies are still common everywhere even here in Canada-a young woman gave birth in a Wal Mart toilet in Prince Albert Saskatchewan a few years ago, last year someone abandoned a tiny child in a shopping mall stairway in Toronto-the list goes on and on.

' a la orden!'

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quantum says on Aug 9, 2008, 18:56:

It may appear brutal and inhumane to all of us but in light of how it was accepted in this barrio it is a statement as to how things work there and how justice is meted out. We need not agree with it any more than the stoning of an adulteras in a fundamentalist muslim country but it is their way. Kinda like in China where they dispense with all the small talk and haggling, and just shoot the culpable and send the bill for the bullet to the family. It just shows what a thin veneer of civilization we really have.

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goin_south says on Aug 9, 2008, 23:26:

Yep! that sounds jus about like the nature of things to go one in.............DETROIT

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Timba says on Aug 10, 2008, 07:57:

Those 3 pills....are they called "the morning after pills" ?

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dwmte7 says on Aug 10, 2008, 09:36:

not the ones my house gal used...this was near twenty years ago. just something some pharmacist down by the hueco sold her.

dwmte

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dwmte7 says on Aug 10, 2008, 09:37:

if you ask in a farmacia...i'm sure they'll have a clue as to what you want, and if they're not selling, they certainly kinow someone who does. colombians are good that way.

dwmte

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Medellin Traveler says on Aug 10, 2008, 09:39:

Cerealkiller says, "These pills douglas and MT mentioned are not abortives, they're medications usually prescribed for other conditions which are grossly misused by poor women to interrupt pregnancies. Very often are this pills the cause of fatal hemorrhages, so its not safe and ultimately not cheap."

You are correct.

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dwmte7 says on Aug 10, 2008, 10:01:

in defference to CK and you MT, all i know is what happened in my house. the girl took the pills at the recommendation of some family (?) member...she aborted or sloughed off the fetus. end of the story.

dwmte

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