New Car Importation

Gator says on Sep 6, 2005, 06:28:

Check Buying In Colombia.... first-importing is a HUGE pain in the rear. What kind of car? I can give you some Colombian prices. Make SURE, if you go through with your plan, that spare parts a easily available.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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socrates says on Sep 6, 2005, 07:39:

Car I want to get a new Pontiac Solstice. I know there will be no parts but I do not care.

Here is a link to the car http://www.pontiac.com/solstice/

It is about $20,000 USD in the states.

I just called Customs and the guy said there are TWO taxes of 35%!!!!

I always thought there was only one tax of 35% ??? If there are two taxes, making it a 70% tax like the guy in Customs is saying, than the car gets a little pricy!!!

Anyone know how this works on a brand new car?

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Fionalatina says on Sep 6, 2005, 12:30:

Taxes I do import/export in the company where I work and I have several questions/comments:

1. Where are you going to bring it from (State) and where are you going to bring it to. The main ports in Colombia are Buenaventura (In the Pacific) and Cartagena or Barranquilla (In the Atlantic).

2. To bring a car it must be new, other way you will not have authorization from customs. You will have to negociate with the dealer how are you going to bring it (CIF, FOB ... ) Who is going to pay the freight and who is going to pay the insurance? (Importer/Exporter)?

3. Taxes are 35% duty tax and 16% of sales tax.

4. You will have other expenses at the port and of the person to help you with customs.

To bring a car to Colombia is very expensive as you can see. If you are still interested about doing it you can write to my e-mail and I will be able to give you better orientation.

I hope it helps.

Fiona

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Dan says on Sep 6, 2005, 13:15:

I can see the reason that cars are expensive to begin with in Colombia. I've heard that there is a lot of headaches in the process.

God Bless America!

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Gator says on Sep 6, 2005, 13:39:

Unless... a lot of Chevrolet parts are interchangeable you a asking for trouble.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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soccerstud says on Sep 6, 2005, 14:24:

i asked i called and they told me that u qould end up paying the full price of the car again just because of all the taxes and all that crap. i was going to import a nissan 350z that was about 40,000us and the total they gave me was like 79,000us so i just called the nissan dealer there and they told me it would cost me around 66 grand or something like that so i suggest u buy there rather than try to import.

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BAQ says on Sep 6, 2005, 15:25:

Hold onto your ass If you are gunna import a new car, hold onto your ass and get ready to write a BIG BIG check for import fees and taxes. There is a REASON cars here are expensive and it isn;t because the dealer is making a killing.

Semper Fidelis !

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socrates says on Sep 7, 2005, 04:51:

Guys, regardless of the problems I face, I *DO* want to import this car. There are very few used cars in Colombia I have seen that I like. Since this is a new model from Pontiac that is only becoming available the last week in the US and Canada, I would not expect to see one down here in Colombia for years. Unless, of course, someone can point me to a Pontiac dealship in Colombia that understands the word "efficacy" and "customer service". I am not worried about parts since I have gringos flying down at least once a month who could work as goffers.

Fionalatina -as per your questions. I can buy it anywhere in the US and would ship from Miami unless there was an easier point of exit. I live in Cartagena so it would be best to arrive here. It would be a 2006 model with little or no miles. I might have to buy it from someone who already owned it for a week or so since the dealers are sold out. If necessary I will send one of my lackies to Miami to ship it personally. Does anyone know any good shipping yards? I once imported a large item (about 1/2 the size of a car) into Colombia and it was a joke how stupid the shipping company was. I hope to avoid these types of problems again.

One thing I find really annoying is when I call Customs in Cartagena they tell me different information than when I call Customs in Barranquilla. I have now been told 3 different price structures for a taxation. Is this normal? Also, does anyone know how long it would take from the time it arrived to the time I am driving it?

Thanks everyone for your help!

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Gator says on Sep 7, 2005, 06:09:

This will help... others not to post. Since you have been a member for a whole six days, argue every point, insult people, et. al. and allegedly live in Cartagena but know nothing about shipping a car(when there are a ton of import companies in Cartagena to contact) Oh, if the car has been out for a week how the hell do you know so much about it?

I smell a trollllllll who is not worth the time.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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socrates says on Sep 7, 2005, 07:34:

Gator Gatar, what are you talking about? Who am I insulting? Yes, I insulted the last shipping yard but they are not on this board and I did not name them. They were so stupid they should not be in charge of importing anything. I could write for pages about how idiotic they were.

As for myself arguing every point, how so? I am trying to buy a car that I am certain will not be available in Colombia for months. As such the only way I can get this car is to import it. Some people said not to import it due to the hassles, but all I have simply said is I understand the hassle but decided to process anyway because this is something I want to buy.

And yes I live in Cartagena. My purpose for posting the original message was because I was searching for a recommendation for a company that can assist on this importation because the last time I imported something they sucked. As for knowing about the car I want to buy it is all on the internet. There are hundreds of articles about this car since it is a very unique car for General Motors and people are lining up in the US to buy them. Don't call me a troll simply because you know nothing about new cars in the American market.

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toneloc24 says on Sep 7, 2005, 08:20:

Why bother helping this dude? If he wants to buy something at 2x its cost, it's his money.

I don't know any companies, but the internet is widely available for him to search on his own. If he gets screwed in the process, money's no object.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 7, 2005, 08:46:

So Socrates...let me understand something You live in Cartagena. The people at the one shipping yard you spoke to were stupid. Cartagena, is Colombia's second largest port where there is obviously more than one shipping company. Yet, you decided to come to a message forum to get information regarding the costs and related, for shipping your car. Now does that really make any sense? Did it ever occur to you that the best way to deal with this matter might be to call other shipping yards as opposed to consulting with people you don't even know on the internet? HHmmmmm? at ?%*??

Look, you have already been told by many here that your plan is costly. Now I am going to elaborate and tell you why the idea just makes no sense. You said that you wanted to bring a new car from the US because you did not like any of the "used cars" in Colombia. My question is, why not just buy a new car in Colombia? You also said you are buying a new model Pontiac. Well, just for your info, new model cars, especially American cars (I hate to admit that) tend to have more than there share of problems in their first year. If you buy the car here, and send it to Colombia, you will have nobody who has the technical knowledge or the diagnostic equipment/software to repair your car. So what good will it do you to have "your gringo friends" bring parts to Colombia if there is nobody there to understand the problem or even repair the car for that matter?

Speaking of repairs...At least if you buy the car in the US and keep it in the US, all repairs will be covered under the Warranty as specified. If you bring the car to Colombia, you will have NO warranty coverage whatsoever. So why would you want a car that will not be

1 Warrantied
2 can't be repaired
3 can't obtain parts for

A troll? Maybe you are. At a minimum however, you seem to be clueless as to what you are getting into.

Don't be silly, buy a new car in Colombia and forget about this nonsesne that you like Pontiac.

Wake up man...it's a Pontiac. It's not Hummer. What could possibly be so special about a Pontiac that you seem to think that Colombia does not have a car to suit your needs?

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socrates says on Sep 7, 2005, 10:08:

Some of you guys really need to get a life. I asked one simple question hoping for a recommendation. Ya, sure, I could call every shipping company in Colombia only to be told by every one of them how they are the best and how I will have no problems. However, instead I asked a simple question on a message board if anyone could recommend a shipping company. What do I get? Seems everyone here is a car expert. Well, I did not ask for your opinions of cars, and when I said I was going to do this anyway, I get flamed. What is the purpose of these forums anyway?

If I want to spend my money -and if that is 2 or 3 times more - then that is my business. I have lived in Colombia for years and know very much the prices of cars. That being said I would rather import a car I like instead of the cars I have seen in the same price range. My only question was if someone knew a good company to assist in the shipping issues.

If it breaks that is my at #$ at #$ at # problem. If there is no warranty that is also my $# at !# at # problem. It is my money I can do what I want with it. I am only looking for a company to ship it and for what I understamd they all pretty much suck.

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socrates says on Sep 7, 2005, 10:17:

Gomezman5 -It is not any Pontiac. It is this one:

http://www.pontiac.com/solstice/gallery.jsp

If I pay double the price will be about $45,000 USD. What can I buy in Colombia like that? A BMW Z3? Ya, there is one on TUCARRO.com for about the same price but it is EIGHT YEARS OLD. Not to mention it would sell in the US for $10K. (Oh, and a NEW BMW Z3 is over $100,000 USD in Colombia).

Maybe a Mazda MX5? I saw one new one in Colombia for $55,000 USD and I consider it an inferior car.

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BAQ says on Sep 7, 2005, 10:49:

Get a Life??? Yep, GATOR (as usual) is right.

But I just can resist adding the following.

1. "Special one of a kind car" in Colombia = STEAL ME FIRST
2. Colombia = rain = high water = flooding in streets = 4X4 Pickup or SUV better suited for Cartagenia
3. Rough streets, low profile car = Damage to car
4. Don't take advice of EVERYONES OPINION = Stupid is as Stupid Does

Semper Fidelis !

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socrates says on Sep 7, 2005, 11:06:

1) No one will steal a "one of a kind" car as they will be unable to plate it, drive it or sell it. They could not even part it as no one would want thr parts. Duh.

2) I already own an SUV. The new car will be for driving on those sunny days.

3) Like I said, it is MY MONEY. If it gets damaged that is my problem. I will fix it. Why do so many people here worry about my money?

4) I did not ask for anyones opinion about the car. I only asked for a company to help import it.

Anyway, if you come by Cartagena, look for the guy with the little convertable and all the chicas. :D

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 7, 2005, 11:31:

I'll agree with you there...It's your $$ That said however, the advice about shipping a NEW car to Colombia simply cannot be answered here. I never heard of anyone doing it. Although this site is called PBH (Poor But Happy), it is obvious that quite a few people are not all that poor. Yet, I don't think anyone would come on this site and admit they that would buy a new car in one country, only to ship it to another country where it is not warrantied and probably cannot be repaired. The mere thought of such an action sounds so strange, that it invites inquiry to see if you are ....... "all there" so to speak. As a result, your question gets lost by virtue of the astonishment of others as to what you want to do.

Ok, so it now appears that nobody knows of a company that can assist you. However, when you consider the size of the port of Cartagena, and the zillions of pesos or billions of dollars of shipping that goes through there, I have to believe that it should not be too hard to find someone rebutable to ship your new car to CTG.

Did you ever hear of something called references? Call the various shippers and ask for references. I mean really, this is not all that tough. Your not affraid to do something that everyone is telling not to do to begin with, (for various reasons) yet you have no problem ASKING PEOPLE, THAT YOU UTTERLY DON'T KNOW, as to how you should go about doing what nobody thus far advises you to do to begin with.

Are we getting through to you?

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caslug says on Sep 7, 2005, 11:39:

You can ALSO check the phone book.. in Miami, there must be lots of US company that can do this. AT LEAST with a US company, you have recourse if there's problem. I know one company Panalpina(IRC) that told me they ship from Asia, Europe and US to COL, i'll try to get you the contact info when i get home.

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toneloc24 says on Sep 7, 2005, 12:20:

Can someone just say "target?"

You say you live in Cartagena, but you have absolutely NO IDEA that Cartagena is in Colombia. Again, it's your money. And that "one of a kind" car will end up in Bogota or Medellin, faster than you can blink. You think they care about the plates? LOL!!!

Try these for starters
www.google.com
Páginas Amarillas - since you are already in Cartagena

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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Fionalatina says on Sep 7, 2005, 12:30:

The Import Process I recommend that you buy the car from a dealer. You will need legal supports to do all the paperwork with the Colombian Customs (Invoice, B/L, etc.).

If you buy the car from the dealer, some of them know the process of export and you can ask for a CIF Cartagena price (Cost, Insurance and Freight). It would save you a lot of trouble because the dealer takes all the risk until the car arrives to Cartagena and all you would have to do would be the legalization part in Cartagena.

If you cannot do that, I would recomend that you go with one of the bigest shipping companies like Danzas or Maersk, both are very good companies and can help you with the legal part of the process.

Does it help some? If you need a person that can give you more orientation I can send you my mobile number in a private message.

Let me know.

Fiona

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Fionalatina says on Sep 7, 2005, 12:34:

You are not the only one... And by the way, you are not the only person that I know who wants to bring a car to Colombia... no matter how expensive it is, cars in the U.S. are much nicer and better quality.

Good luck with it.

Fiona

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 7, 2005, 12:48:

Fionalatina.... So you are saying a Honda, or Toyota, or Mercedes or BMW is of better quality in the US than it is in Colombia??? Hard to believe.

Also, I find it hard to believe that you know other people would buy a NEW car in the US, which typically comes with at three year or 36,000 warranty and ship the car to Colombia where the warranty is VOID, when you can buy a new car in Colombia and get a new car warranty.

Used cars are shipped all the time, not new cars, especially new model cars where there is nobody there that knows how to fix them nor are there any parts available if they need repair. Really!

That is about as rediculous as it comes

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TACTICAL says on Sep 7, 2005, 13:14:

WOW, this guy really thinks a "One of a kind car" won;t get stolen? GET REAL! From reading his posts, I seriously doubt he lives here in Colombia. He is TOTALLY CLUELESS about everything in Colombia other than wanting to spend money, especially about his new red car being stolen. Even a retard knows where that car will end up (as Toneloc24 stated), Bogota or Medillin being proudly driven by someone in "la Mafia".

OH, maybe no one told him about the corruption here and the guys in the Mafia "Own" many of the police.

It's pretty darn funny that the guy "Who has all the answers" can;t figure out how to get his pretty new red car here, but has the balls to log onto a forum such as this, asks for help, then insult everyone who is being honest with him and trying to give "Good advice".

DUDE, YOU SEEM TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, SO SHUT THE HELL UP, QUITE INSULTING PEOPLE AND GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS !

Just my humble opinion

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 7, 2005, 13:26:

And GIB the funny part is.... This guy wants to send a BRAND NEW CAR to Colombia. You have enough worries sending a car when it is a decent used one. But can you imagine some clueless sole sending a brand new one????

It will probably end never leaving the port but in fact end up in someone elses driveway in ....who knows.

And TACTICAL

I think you gave him some sound "tactical advise".

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Fionalatina says on Sep 7, 2005, 14:05:

By law... By law, used cars cannot be imported to Colombia (BY LAW...)

All what you guys are saying is truth... it is easier to buy a car here but even expensive cars come here with less "goodies" than the same car in the U.S. and that is the main reason why some people like to go through all the trouble of import it directly.

If all the documents are in order and you work with serious companies shouldn´t be any trouble with customs, it is not the first time someone does it and I know it because someone I know imported a Mustang to Colombia.

... And it is his money, if he can afford to do it and he is willing to take the risk knowing everything about thiefs, insurance, spare parts... it is his problem, don´t you think?

Fiona

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caslug says on Sep 7, 2005, 14:39:

Here's the info on ONE shipper.. (Panalpina)
Contact. Peter Huwel

57 1 401 0500, diagonal 24C no 96B-65, apartado 14347, Bogota

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juanalejo says on Sep 7, 2005, 17:04:

Socrates Just ignore these ignorant advices, if you need real advise send me a PM I will give you the address and phone # of somebody that will bring your car no hazzle. Taxes are high that is right, but plenty of people do import directly cars that are not available in the market here. Unfortunatelly your car will not have much of a resale value, as most people are not interested in American made cars, but anyhow if it is for the pleasure of having it why not.

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Fionalatina says on Sep 8, 2005, 07:00:

Finally!!! Juanalejo, I completely agree with you. I think the other guys are just envious that they can´t bring a car for themselves... too bad for them!!!

Fiona

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 8, 2005, 07:53:

Yea, I'm envious I do the smart thing. I buy a car in a country where I can:

1. Find a man who knows how to repair the car

2. Find parts quickly and not wait for my amigos from the US

2. Have a warranty for, that by the way geniouses, you paid for
because it's factored into the price of the new car

All that adds up to doing what most of my wealthy Colombia friends who live in Colombia do....buy the car in the country where you live.

Colombia has a car for all peoples needs. A car is still... a car. Turn the key and off you go. Besides, why would I want to bring a car to Colombia? I don't even want to live there. I'll stick with being poor but happy right here in Chicago.

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Gator says on Sep 8, 2005, 08:20:

Right... follow juanalejo's advice and turn your $50.000 USD car over to someone you do not know who turns you in for the aduana reward so you lose the car and whatever. "No hassle?" An impossible dream in Colombia.

BTW, I have a good friend in Nigeria that can do the same provided you wire him your bank account number or deposit $100.000 USD in his account as "up front" expense money.

SOME of the requirements:

As of 1/1/94 no USED automobile may be imported into Colombia
Import License is required and MUST be obtained prior to arrival of auto
Do not include an auto as part of any household goods shipment
DO NOT SHIP VEHICLES UNTIL ALL DOCUMENTS ARE IN ORDER
NON-COMPLIANCE WILL RESULT IN SEIZURE/STORAGE OF SHIPMENT AT GREAT ADDITIONAL EXPENSE
Documents required:
Original Commercial Invoice (detailed and in US dollars)
Title
Registration
Copy of Bill of Sale
ALL DOCUMENTS (Invoice, etc.) must agree with the Import License

Oh! One small point, the SHIPPER (company transpring items) is subject to heavy fines, seizure of goods, storage fees and possible loss of import license.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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BAQ says on Sep 8, 2005, 11:11:

MSO's New vehicles are sold with an MSO (Manufacturers Certificate of Origin), the MSO makes it a NEW CAR, once the MSO is surrendered to the State and a TITLE is issued, it is now legally a USED car. Not to mention mileage placed on the car once it leaves the dealership.

This is just ONE of the PROBLEMS everyone has been trying to explain.

SO, title it in the States and it becomes a USED car, ship it with an MSO and you don;t have a title. If customs for some reason won;t accept the MSO, or doesn;t understand it, you are screwed.

It is a crap shoot at best and not one I would care to chance for such a large investment.

Hay, but what do we know, we are all stupid.

Semper Fidelis !

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toneloc24 says on Sep 8, 2005, 11:29:

LOL!!! Yeah, and ignorant and envious....and many other things, except stupid as hell.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 8, 2005, 13:18:

Toneloc24 sums it up well You are right on the money !! And if this guy will listen to us instead of Fionalatina, (who sounds clueless)and Juanalejo, he will be a lot better off. If things go wrong, I don't think Juanalejo or Fiona..will fork up the $ in the event of a loss that can occur at any point in the process.

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juanalejo says on Sep 8, 2005, 20:41:

Gomez What an ignorant commentary on your behalf, I would expect something more intelligent out of you. People don´t shell money out to somebody they do not know, nor they do it over the internet. That is why you investigate who you will do business with, see their business, sign legal papers and then provide money. Maybe you should ask your rich friends how it works, instead of giving your opinion of something you evidently do not know as you do not even live here.

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jbk0904 says on Sep 8, 2005, 22:00:

price is not real concern to import the car to colombia. You have to have the car which has new special suspension to cope with the uneven roads in Colombia.. Better to buy over there...

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toneloc24 says on Sep 8, 2005, 23:26:

Juan On the contrary, this dude is willing to do exactly as you believe that he won't. Go back and check his posts.

He's already written off the companies at the shipping yards in CTG. He appears unwilling to come to the USA and see to the process himself, already expecting his "lackies" to bring the parts with him, no matter whether there may not be anyone who can repair the car.

My rich friends in Colombia bought their cars in Colombia. When they did import, they did it through Miami. However, they are Colombians and the customs/shipping ladrones weren't gonna take the chance on screwing with them. This dude???

Money isn't the issue, due diligence and common sense might be. This dude is doing all this for the chicas. Perfect example of small dick syndrome. LOL!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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juanalejo says on Sep 9, 2005, 03:47:

Toneloc There are crooks everywhere including Miami, and I have had the opportunity to unfortunatelly deal with them many times, yet that has not kept my family from exporting things through US ports. When you have not had to deal with bureaucratic procedures, crooks and corrupt officials both in Colombia and in the US you have no idea how things work, but you get organized in the right channels, you find a straight forward, hazzle free and usually free of corrupt officials way to work. I have personally imported twice a car directly without any dealer representation and have never had a problem, but in general yes I do buy out from the dealers although generally by custom ordering, and again it is never a problem. They deal with everything, I pay as I go. Usually the biggest problem is getting a space in the boat for a reasonable price.

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toneloc24 says on Sep 9, 2005, 07:12:

Without question, you're correct. I completely agree that there are crooks everywhere. However, this dude thinks sitting in CTG, maintaining a negative relationship with the shipping folks there, and many other reds flags already thrown up, will solve his problem. AGain, he is on an internet site looking for companies/advice. If the car was that important, he'd head to the USA and see to things himself.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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Gomezman5 says on Sep 9, 2005, 08:44:

Sr. Juanalejo...."ignorant people" (Your words) It's obvious, whether it be due to a language barrier or some other unexplainable reason, you did not understand my post.

I'll present it again. Maybe this will help you check your words before you start taking shots at people.

A clear majority of people here, (myself included) have presented cogent arguments that clearly indicate that the risk, and related problems with shipping a new car from the US to Col would make such an act an ill advised one. That said, upon your entering this thread, your very first line was as follows:

"Just ignore these ignorant advices."

Whereas well reasoned advise was given to this guy on the matter. It is you sir that made the above proactive personal attack against us all. You sir were out of line. You accused everyone else of being ignorant, but then you personified ignorance when you offered no other substantive assistance to this man. Calling people ignorant, and not being able to indicate substantively or procedurally whey such is the case, does not exactly make you appear as the "all knowledgeable one." I would go so far as to say that if you really thought we were wrong in our advise, the place to have proven as such would have been here on this thread for all to see, and not in suggestion that he PM you in a private message.

As to my suggestion that the author of this thread should ignore yours and the Fionalatina suggestions, it was based on the fact that he obviously would incur a tremendous financial undertaking with substantial risk of loss either in shipment, taxes or in theft of the car upon arrival of the car. And since your only simplistic response to our advice was to call us "ignorant people", and offer NO valuable advise to the contrary, I thought it was only proper that before he seriously considered taking any ill-advised info you would give in a PM, he might want to consider getting some form of financial guarantee from you in the event that things don't quite work according to your plan.

My suggestion: Don't come on here making personal attacks (calling people ignorant)and then not expect people to return the favor. If you throw the first shot at me, be prepared to get a missile or two shot your way as well.

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jarhead says on Sep 9, 2005, 15:19:

NO BIG DEAL Hey, I was under the impression that this site was about helping people out, sharing ideas etc. There are some pretty hostile (amargados) people on here, all this guy did was ask a simple question,ask for some help with a shipping company, he did not ask for opinions, thoughts, shity comments etc., you guys need to calm down with the shitty comments and remarks. As far as bringing NEW "out of the ordinary" cars into Colombia(BMW X5s, Porsche Chayanne,the Japannese diesel version of the montero XL, the "must have"Pontiac) , we do it all the time(my company), we also bring in USED ClASSIC CARS and motorcycles and EXPORT, yes EXPORT classic cars, there is nothing strange or out of the ordinary for people who have the means to bring NEW NEW NEW cars into Colombia, maybe you guys are not aware, but there is more money in Colombia than what most people think, and people who are willing to spend it and show it, regardless of the security situation of the country. By the way I am in Bogota, if the guy who wants to bring in his "must have" Pontiac or whatever, wants to get a hold of me, PM me, and I will give you a hand, not a load of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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vicshere says on Sep 9, 2005, 15:34:

jarhead I want help bring in my 1979 Suzuki 850GL from Canada this is my second request to you



listo
"con mucho gusto"
Vic

listo

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juanalejo says on Sep 9, 2005, 15:34:

Gomez I am sick of waisting my time in posting in this site full of really sad people who know nothing better than to complain of everything colombian when the reality is that most of you do not live here and have no idea how things work. So if the guy is interested there are many legal, hazzle free ways of doing things regardless if many of you would like to admit it. If you like it like that fine if not sorry for you I am not waisting my time explaining things that some of you will simply not want to believe. I will only be around when people with real needs need real answers.

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