Need some help with my Fiance's daughter

Barranquilla Callejero says on May 14, 2008, 13:26:

If I am not mistaken, yes you need to have permission from the child's father every time you exit Colombia. Moreover, it'll need to be notarized/officiated as well.

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jake074701 says on May 14, 2008, 13:41:

Yes, that is correct what BC has stated. There is also a time limit from the date of the notary for the permission to take the child and to the day of leaving the country. And yes it is everytime you leave the country until she is 18 years of age, I had the same situation to happen and had to pay alittle to get him to cooperate to sign the permission papers, good luck

Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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jonas says on May 14, 2008, 13:52:

Before visiting Colombia I would simply tell him that if he would like to see his daughter he will first have to send you the notarized permission for her to leave the country afterwards.

Simon Presidente!

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Gator says on May 14, 2008, 14:00:

A permission letter prepared outside of Colombia is valid for 90 days. A permission letter prepared in Colombia is valid for 60 days. Since it will be prepared and notarized in Colombia no Apostille will be necessary. I would also have a notarized copy of the child's birth certificate just in case.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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Mononoke28 says on May 14, 2008, 14:11:

I read a post on VJ that some people had problems taking their child out of Colombia because their permission was more than 30 days old. The DAS can be very picky about this so the more recent, the better.

And yes, you will need this document every time you want to leave Colombia with child in hand.

Diana

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Azul says on May 14, 2008, 14:20:

Is there not a more permanent solution?....many times these fathers are deadbeats and it is difficult enough to get them to sign something once let alone everytime the childs wants to leave the country.

las cosas caen por su propio peso

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vicshere says on May 14, 2008, 14:32:

for 100,000 you can get ride of their bodies forever problem solved

listo

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lpdiver says on May 14, 2008, 14:37:

I believe the law is written such that the mother will also need a written notarized statement from herself, even though she is there in front of the child. Go figure.

I give good odds that he develops a problem before you leave.


t

"cook some rice!"

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angelcanada says on May 14, 2008, 18:09:

IF YOUR FIANCE'S DOUGTHER IS IN COLOMBIA, YES YOU NEED A PERMIT NOTARIZE
FROM HIM SAING THAT SHE CAN TAKE THE GIRL WITH HER OUT OF COLOMBIA AND SO EVERY TIME SHE COMES BAC TO COLOMBIA.

MY NAME IS ANGEL. I AM COLOMBIAN AND LIVED IN CANADA AND THE USA FOR 18 YEARS. I RETURNED TO MEDELLIN AND WOULD LIKE TO OFFER SERVICES AS INTERPRETER/ ESCORT AND DRIVER. I CAN ALSO HELP IN FINDING SHORT TERM APT. RENTALS.

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jonas says on May 14, 2008, 23:03:

Don Angel, no hay que GRITAR en este foro. Gracias.

Simon Presidente!

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Lisa Zee says on May 14, 2008, 23:22:

Adopt the poor kid!. If a father is so heartless that don`t care to let hes little girl live in another country and not see her and, not have a relationship with his daughter, then adopt this child, so you don`t have to deal with a deadbeat father.

jonas: LOL. I notices that we Colombians like to write in CAPITAL letters, and most foreigners take it as yelling, jajajaja.

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CanadaMan says on May 15, 2008, 00:44:

Thanks for helping my friend raycjs out I told him that he would get a lot of great advice here..

He plans to adopt the child after they get married..

CanadaMan
aka singlefather


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Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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CanadaMan says on May 15, 2008, 00:47:

Hey raycjs my good friend welcome to the board..

There are a lot of good and helpful people here..

take care,

CanadaMan
aka singlefather

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Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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CanadaMan says on May 15, 2008, 00:54:

raycjs,

I found these 2 threads searching this site.. Read both threads very carefully and make written notes I would suggest..

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/consent-for-children

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/daddy-wont-let-go

PBH members,

Thanks for all the comments made and if anyone has any additional comments , gone through the same thing or any other information to help raycjs and his Novia please jump in..

I think he is a great man , a single father who has 100% custody of his 2 teenage girls , that is buying a new house so that his Novia's 3 year old daughter will have a kid friendly house with a big backyard and her own room...He is going to put in a swing set and a jungle gym in the back yard for her..

I told him about this forum and I really admire him as a fellow single father and as a person.. When we talk he thinks and acts like the little girl is his daughter already.. My hat goes off to you my amigo raycjs..



Ok raycjs you owe me a rum and pepsi.. jajajajajajajajaja

Te amo Chiclayo, Peru

CanadaMan
aka singlefather


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Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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Gator says on May 15, 2008, 06:31:

The adoption will not change things-if he a dead beat make application with a family court for sole custody and the problem is solved-but you will need to have the court order when leaving Colombia.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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CanadaMan says on May 15, 2008, 06:53:

Gator or anyone,

If raycjs adopts the child in the USA how does it affect the child visiting Colombia in the future ?

So if I understand you Gator even if adopts in the States that has no teeth in Colombia !!! The child has a Colombia passport so even after he adopts the child in the USA it will be hard to change the child's Colombian passport name etc..

Is it better for him to adopt his Novia's child in Colombia or the USA or both ?

CanadaMan

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Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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CanadaMan says on May 15, 2008, 07:01:

I have heard that even after his soon to be wife ( his Novia) and child become USA citizens 3-4 years down the road , that when they enter Colombia they have to enter on their Colombian passports not their American ones..

Is this correct ? Is this strictly enforced ?

CanadaMan

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Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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slguy says on May 15, 2008, 08:17:

i can't speak from experience, but logic tells me that the ultimate goal (admittedly maybe very long term!) would be adoption in both countries. seems you'd have all the angles covered then..

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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raycjs says on May 15, 2008, 08:27:

Guys thank you very much for all your help and CanadaMan thank you for helping me with this. MY Novia Lina is telling me that the father is planning on moving from Colombia to Venezuela in the next year so I do not know how we will get him to sign any paperwork after he moves Right now if is welling to sign paperwork to allow her to leave so lina and I can get married in Florida. Once we have her green card and she is allowed to travel back to Colombia we ant to go and have a nice wedding for her family and friends(and hopefully some of mine from Florida and Canada?) I am worried that when we go back to get married he may no be around to sign any paperwork . Do I need to hire a lawyer in Colombia to do some kind of paperwork that will allow us to come and go forever. I will be adopting my new daughter as soon as I am allowed. Please help me with this I can not loose this little girl she means the world to me.( and of course her mother).............

Thank you all so very much

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slguy says on May 15, 2008, 08:32:

wow. tough situation! once he leaves for venezuela, i see potential for a REAL can of worms. seems to me, first oughta be colombian adoption, then....but Estaban the Lawyer would be worth consulting with, i bet!

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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CanadaMan says on May 15, 2008, 08:43:

Raycjs,

I think it is time to hire a Colombian Lawyer that has knowledge in this area,,

Ray,

I would contact Gary Bala who is an USA immigration lawyer who travels a lot to Colombia and works or has a lot of contact with some Colombian lawyers.. Call him and ask him to recomend a very good lawyer for this matter.. It sounds like you will need Lina to get sole legal custody in Colombia so you don't run into problems..

Gary Posts on PL sometimes and everyone speaks very highly of him there..

Gary Bala website and phone number..

http://usaimmigrationattorney.com/

tel # 610 - 446 - 8472

hope this helps,

CanadaMan

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Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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vicshere says on May 15, 2008, 09:28:

first of all just because the father has given permission for the daughter to live in another country DOES NOT mean he is giving up custody or any other rights...the permission is only to live or leave Colombia....the birth father still has all the right as a father...the child cant not be adopted in the US...come on....she has a Colombian passport...Colombian birth certificate...how in the world would even think of adopting her in the US...as Gator has said you have to go through the courts and remove the custody rights from the father then you may adopt her in Colombia not the US.....why do people travel to Colombian to adopt children cause it cannot be done from the third country

listo

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Mononoke28 says on May 15, 2008, 09:37:

Lisa Zee says on May 14, 2008, 23:22: flag
jonas: LOL. I notices that we Colombians like to write in CAPITAL letters, and most foreigners take it as yelling, jajajaja.

It's actually good e-mail ettiquette not to use capital letters or most people will think you're yelling. It's common sense, even in Colombia.

Diana

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CanadaMan says on May 15, 2008, 09:46:

Vic,

He is not traveling to Colombia to just a adopt a child.. This is his Novia's daughter who he adores.. We were just talking on the phone and he would never ever in a million years not let his Novia's daughter not visit the father any time he wants..

Also to clarify Ray does not consider the father a deadbeat dad , he does provide financial support monthly for the child.. The biological father just has no interest in being a father or having contact with his child..

The problem here is that when he is married he will probably going back and forth to Colombia 3-4 times + a year.. How can you travel back in forth with the daughter ? , if she will not be able to get out of Colombia because the biological father is working out of country..

This is not an easy situation and is complicated,

CanadaMan

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Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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vicshere says on May 15, 2008, 09:55:

every time they travel in and out of Colombia they need permission from the father....it doesn't sound like the father is going to allow the adopt to go forward....most likely a payment will have to be made

"if she will not be able to get out of Colombia because the biological father is working out of country.."
the biological father works outside of Colombia...don’t understand

listo

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raycjs says on May 15, 2008, 10:07:

Guy's the father is a doctor in Colombia and helps out with a few dollars a month he is never around for the little girl. here is an example on her 3rd birthday he called my novia and ask her to get his daughter all dress and ready to be taking to dinner my novia said that would be great and she will have her ready by 5:00pm the father never showed and did not call till 7:00pm. The father do this day 3 months late still has not even given her a birthday present. He never makes time for his daughter i want to do everything on the up and up i want to do nothing behind his back i just need to know how to do the right thing for this little girl..


Ray

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vicshere says on May 15, 2008, 10:10:

in colombia that is not a crime or a deadbeat dad

listo

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jonas says on May 15, 2008, 10:15:

sorry for the little lady, this stuff seriously hurts. I am glad though she now has someone who cares for her. I hope you can get to a consensus with the father.

Simon Presidente!

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slguy says on May 15, 2008, 11:33:

having raised three kids w/ two similar biological fathers, i know both the child's pain and the joy of filling the gap in her life. my hat's off to you, ray - and i wish you and your new family all the best!

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Gator says on May 15, 2008, 13:48:

Go to the Colombian Family Court (Juzgado de Familia)

If you have sole custody by a court order that will be accepted. But if it is the USA Court you will need an apostille. If it is a Colombian divorce with sole custody granted to you the same applies. If not and the father can not be located, a Colombian family court can grant custody which will be accepted by DAS "he hasn't paid support for 4 years they don't receive anything from him only a phone call every 3 or 4 months" will have no legal merit in Colombia with the exception, possibly, of the family court. The fact that he does maintain contact will weigh heavily against you in a Colombian court. Good luck and you had better act before he get to Venezuela.


The letter:

AUTORIDADES DE EMIGRACION

Aeropuerto de la ciudad de _____________________________,COLOMBIA


Señores:

Nosotros,__________________________y_______________________.

Identificatiodo(a)______________________________________________ con

en mi calidad de___________________________ del (de la)

menor_____________________ identificado(a) con el

pasaporte___________________le concedo permiso para ingresar y salir

de Colombia al pais de________________________,

ciudad de ____________________

___________________________ __________________________


Firma Huella Indice Derecho


good for 60 days if notarized in Colombia

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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Mononoke28 says on May 15, 2008, 14:27:

raycjs,

That is horrible and the guy should not have any rights over his daughter if it were up to me. Unfortunately, it's up to the courts and to them, he's the biological father with every single right.

I would just deal with it until she turns 18. Bottom line is, she will grow up and understand the kind of person he is and it won't be a hard choice for her to know who her real family is. It will be a pain in the neck though but you can't keep her away from Colombia for 15 years, right?

Diana

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Lisa Zee says on May 15, 2008, 15:16:

Mononoke28, you know that and I know it also, but if you noticed, most Colombians like to write like that. ( at least here in PBH)

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Mononoke28 says on May 16, 2008, 08:03:

You should go to Visa Journey. There's a ton of Philippinas that love to do it as well, oh and on top of that they bold it and highlight it in red.

Very pleasing to the eye. =D

Diana

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raycjs says on May 20, 2008, 09:31:

To all:

Thank you so very much for all you help and support


Ray

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