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I am getting married next month. I want a great lawyer to protect my assets. prenuptial agreements and what every else I need to do! I live in Medellin. English?

By RussianFred on Aug 4, 2007, 06:47 in Friendly Talkzone.

LA_MONA says on Aug 4, 2007, 07:29:

Jajaja so you really are nervous!

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slguy says on Aug 4, 2007, 11:31:

I was thinking the same thing, La Mona! jajajajajaa

Why do I have a feeling that when she's presented with a prenup to sign, wedding plans may change? ;)

Soory I can't offer you an attorney's name, Fred. But it sounds like maybe you're having an epiphany...PBH stikes again! jajajajajajajaja

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goin_south says on Aug 4, 2007, 12:59:

Hey, what happened to gringoloids post about the attorney, vinny vumbotz???

Where do we go from here?

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Conchale Vale!! says on Aug 4, 2007, 14:19:

If I remember correctly in another post (I think that one is gone now) La Mona recommended a prenup ..so it's good there are people on here listening jajajajaj If I recall he is 44 and she is 20....so a lawyer is a good idea. Russian Fred are you planning to stay in Colombia or are you returning to the US? The problem with prenups and international marriages are they may not hold up once you leave where they were written. Foe example if you have one in Colombia and then you decide to go to the US and bring the wife I.E. you sign the affadfits of support to get her here..well that document you just signed can blow away that prenup depending upon what is written in it. Same way if you go the route of bringing a girl on a fiance visa and then try to do a US prenup covering your grounds,,,you signed a support doc to get her there. International prenups are 10 times more complicated than one for 2 peopl in the same country and those many times don't hold water
Good luck to Russian Fred if you have alot to lose think carefully

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gringoloid says on Aug 4, 2007, 19:26:

Right off the bat Fred, you are in trouble! You say you are getting married next month. If that is the case you should have made the pre-nup about 5 months ago. If push comes to shove, she can say she was pushed into that contract and did not have time to think.

I also hope you already have your home bought and in your name before the wedding.

Who are the three blind men?

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goin_south says on Aug 4, 2007, 19:59:

Right off the bat ???
HEY! Careful.... I'm struggling to get these next to dingers!

Where do we go from here?

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Robert Jorge says on Aug 4, 2007, 23:34:

Gringoloid is absolutely correct. Even between two US citizens, a prenup can be useless, void, contested successfully - if it is less than 6 months old at the time of marriage. If you get a prenup a month before your wedding, you are wasting your time and money. It won't hold up in front of a judge. Now, add that the spouse is in a different country, the immigration paperwork involved ... don't even waste your time. If you are that concerned, call it off!!!

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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miamimike says on Aug 5, 2007, 01:56:

My Buddy here in Florida had his ex-wife sign a pre-nup in english and spanish. They divorced 12 months or so after the marriage and it helped. Another bit of advice from him-he traveled all the way from florida to Bogota just to be present when the Novia picked up the Visa so he could get his Financial Statements he had to provide to Immigration when he sent the completed Fiancee Visa forms to his wife. They return these to the Novia at the time of the Visa Pickup! He wanted, for a period of time, to maintain his total financial worth private from his Wife so his True Worth would not become a TOPIC FOR FUTURE family Conversation.It worked, he got the papers and his Worth remained secret,,,the Marriage didn't LOL That lasted a year,,,LOL

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gringoloid says on Aug 5, 2007, 07:07:

to change the topic a little bit, I just don't understand divorce.

I'm 57, never married, and my fiancee that I live with is 35; so you gringos know i am a very lucky man to hook up with this.

She is the most loving person i have ever met; educated and a professional, has her own money, home and finca, no kids, ........a college professora by day and a puta in our bedroom at night.

i'm a little old so i'm slowin down and can be faithful; she listens to everything i say and constantly says i make all the decisions and she'll go along.

WHAT GOES WRONG WITH MARRIAGES, FOR CHRISSAKES??

Who are the three blind men?

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houstongal says on Aug 5, 2007, 09:59:

To me, the marriages that last a year or two indicate that one party was getting married to gain something (when we talk about marriages to Colombianas). They were able to put up a charade that life would be wonderful, but it changed once they were married. I often wonder what's the rush? I can understand it if you wanted to start a family, but if not then why get married (I admit, I'm probably one of those few women who don't have this romantic view of marriage...I'm a practical thinker) Again, for most of the men on PBH the reason is to bring their wife to the US. But in your case gringoloid, you're in Colombia, your fiancee is in Colombia....I think that's different. It's almost like two Colombians getting married. At which point, the longevity of your marriage will be the effort to keep the romance alive (i.e., not getting tired of each other after 20 years). I think I'm channeling Dr. Phil this weekend....

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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miamimike says on Aug 5, 2007, 12:35:

HoustonGal-Marriages that last only a year or two may not surive just for the resons you describe and here's why: in many cases the two don't share a common langauge so how do they communicate? Communication is extremely important in the first year or so of marriage so its of Extreme importance both understand each other in a Common langauge. Next, if the Wife comes to the USA, she has a problem in many cases of Culture Shock unless she is in a City like Miami where 80% or so of the population speaks spanish. And in most(not all) cases if the Guy is from Miami, he won't be going much to Colombia as he can meet all the Latinas he wants right here in south florida. So someone may not necesarily marrying someone for "interes" to gain something, simply lack of the langauge and cultural shock.

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miamimike says on Aug 5, 2007, 12:36:

should read- "may not survive but NOT just for the Reasons you describe",,,

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houstongal says on Aug 5, 2007, 12:50:

I completely agree miamimike. Marriage is tough enough without all the other stuff getting in the way. But I still think people getting married after a couple of years of courtship from a distance doesn't help. I understand the need if they're trying to be in one location, but we all know that it's quite different having a long-distance relationsihp versus a day-to-day one. I even think it's crazy for people in the same location to get married after a short courtship (even moreso if they're both very young). But who am I to say anything. But I think grigoloid's situation is different, and thus a better likelihood to succeed (in my opinion...based on what he's written).

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Conchale Vale!! says on Aug 5, 2007, 13:21:

Houstongal and Miamimike are completely right on the head. I would say it is the big 4. Culture, Communication, Distance, and significant age difference. Any 1 of these can create issues if not discussed and understood prior to marriage can become a issue. No impossible to overcome just need to be understood. In a relationship with all 4 of those I say the chance for divorce goes up 10 fold. I believe most of these marriages fail because a lack of of communication and understanding of expectations and real discussions of what daily life will be like..not because of fraud to get to the US.. there is that but I don't think that is how it always starts. You are right Gringoloids chances are much better..they have time to really know each other in a real day to day situation.

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houstongal says on Aug 5, 2007, 13:47:

Hopefully we're all heling gringoloid feel better about his situation. :-)

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Conchale Vale!! says on Aug 5, 2007, 14:09:

I think his situation is great!! living in Colombia and having a girlfriend or getting married someday is really a normal relationship and the risks are like any realtionship.The age difference this is not really a issue when the girls is older also..she has already hopefully experienced enough to know what she wants in life at her age. It is completely different when you are thinking to marry a 20 year old. At 20 few people really have a grasp on what they really want in their life.

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houstongal says on Aug 5, 2007, 14:19:

OMG...I am such a different person now than when I was in my early 20's! What I even wanted out of life back then isn't what I want today. I do know of couples who married young and made it work, but I think they are the minority. I recently met a woman in her mid to late 20's who is getting married in a few weeks yet she didn't have one single good thing to say about her fiancee in the hour I spent with her. All she would do is complain that he's not romantic, doesn't pick up after himself, etc. I question how long that marriage will last!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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miamimike says on Aug 5, 2007, 20:50:

houstongal says on Sunday August 5th, 2007 12:50:

I completely agree miamimike. Marriage is tough enough without all the other stuff getting in the way. But I still think people getting married after a couple of years of courtship from a distance doesn't help. I understand the need if they're trying to be in one location, but we all know that it's quite different having a long-distance relationsihp versus a day-to-day one. I even think it's crazy for people in the same location to get married after a short courtship (even moreso if they're both very young). But who am I to say anything. But I think grigoloid's situation is different, and thus a better likelihood to succeed (in my opinion...based on what he's written).

Conchale Vale!! says on Sunday August 5th, 2007 13:21:

Houstongal and Miamimike are completely right on the head. I would say it is the big 4. Culture, Communication, Distance, and significant age difference. Any 1 of these can create issues if not discussed and understood prior to marriage can become a issue. No impossible to overcome just need to be understood. In a relationship with all 4 of those I say the chance for divorce goes up 10 fold. I believe most of these marriages fail because a lack of of communication and understanding of expectations and real discussions of what daily life will be like..not because of fraud to get to the US.. there is that but I don't think that is how it always starts. You are right Gringoloids chances are much better..they have time to really know each other in a real day to day situation.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Houstangal/Concnahe Vale---agreed,,,Long Distance internet Relations won't cut it in the long run,,,

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RussianFred says on Aug 5, 2007, 21:27:

This girls seems different, she is honest, loving and a great person. I did not want anyone under 30 but it happened and I am very happy. You only live once. I will buy her a $6,000 engagement ring tommorrow! And marry her asap without the agreement.

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Robert Jorge says on Aug 5, 2007, 22:22:

I believe ole' RussianFred finally convinced me that he is a Troll.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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goin_south says on Aug 5, 2007, 23:25:

Jorge, maybe he meant 6000 pesos, lol!

Where do we go from here?

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miamimike says on Aug 5, 2007, 23:40:

What's the Old Saying " Wise Men need no advice; Fools pay no Heed" ? Go for it Fred, maybe your Ring price is too low,,,LOL

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houstongal says on Aug 6, 2007, 05:14:

Wow! $6,000 for an engagement ring? That's the kind of sparkle we like! ;-) I'm sure Mona would agree!

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houstongal says on Aug 6, 2007, 05:15:

Good luck RussianFred!

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RussianFred says on Aug 6, 2007, 12:54:

I just purchased the ring from Walmart $1,500.00, she will never notice the difference.

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Leeroy says on Aug 6, 2007, 13:05:

In "Legalizing Misandry"...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Legalizing-Misandry-Systematic-Discrimination-...

...the authors essentially argue that no man would marry if he knew about the legal factors stacked against him. Well, the book talks about the US, I'm not sure how things differ in Colombia.

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RussianFred says on Aug 6, 2007, 13:21:

I am in the USA. Walmart is opening 17 stores in Costa Rica.

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gringoloid says on Aug 11, 2007, 18:04:

Fred....are you givin papaya with that kind of a ring? An old girlfriend travelling on the Transmilenio was beaten with a pipe and had her earrings torn out of her lobe.

Houstongal, Mike, Conch......thx for the comments. I may not live long enough to want a divorce. I still don't understand how a relationship so good could turn into a nightmare.

Who are the three blind men?

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Chelesupercono says on Aug 11, 2007, 18:19:

Yet another PINHEAD bits the dust......they just never get it!! I suggest that you save yourself a long and painful beating. Just give all your money away to some needy organization that helps children. Because when your girlfriend get done you will have nothing. Oh! and by the way you could give the cash to me and others that have seen this movie hundreds of times and we will enjoy it the right way!!

and they just keep on coming.......

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

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RussianFred says on Aug 11, 2007, 18:35:

I seen the movie but it's better to have a leading role and to be the star. I will be going to Panama Monday to transfer assets. I love this game I hope I can play it for 3-50 years. I don't like lawyers but they are like the American Express card. Don't leave home without them. I have two ex-wives in the USA, they receive no spousal support.

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goin_south says on Aug 11, 2007, 19:00:

Hey is Gringo Wedding at Blockbuster yet?
How did that turn out?

Did that end, where Mr and Mrs Smith began???

Ya know, for all the heat it takes from colombians,
It was really otherwise a pretty damn good movie!
I might go get it for viewing again tonight, just to see if I can really see anything of Bogota in there.

Where do we go from here?

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Chelesupercono says on Aug 12, 2007, 08:22:

The name of the movie is GRINGO ENDING......
It almost always turns out with the poor sucker laying in the street picked clean to the bone after the Extended Family has cleaned him out of his last peso.......or you see him in some bar mumbling to himself after his tenth drink......But She Said SHE LOVED ME.....

Having lived in Latin America for the past 10 years, I consider it more like a spectator sport......non-stop action, funny, hilarious, often times unbelievable and ultimately sad........and they just keep on coming

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

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SFJohn says on Aug 17, 2007, 17:14:

I can strongly recommend a lawyer named Gloria Valencia. She is in Medellin, speaks great English, and she is very knowledgeable about issues that foreigners run into, Gloria is also very nice and helpful which is great.

Here is the contact information for Gloria:

232-5321 work
315-286-6537 cell
gloriavalencia at gmail.com

I also heard from another lawyer in Medellin via PBH who sounds experienced and he speaks English. His name is Esteban, his number is 313-3046, and his email is: lawyerscolombia at yahoo.com

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