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SAN CARLOS DE BARILOCHE, Argentina — An international Jewish human rights organization is better positioned to find former SS Doctor Aribert Heim following a fact-finding mission in southern Chile and Argentina, the organization's director said Monday.

Efraim Zuroff, who heads the Israel-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, arrived in the region last Wednesday and has been conducting an investigation alongside the center's Latin American representative, Sergio Widder.

He wrapped up the trip on Monday.

"What we expected to do — and so far we have been successful — is to put in place the tools that will lead to his capture in the next few weeks — or at the most, months," Zuroff said.

"I think it is fair to say that we are in a better position today than we were before" the trip, he said.

Zuroff said center officials are "convinced that there are people who know the information and that this person can be found."

"A person this age cannot live on his own," he said. "Obviously people have to help him, they have to guard him, they have to be involved in this operation."

The center has insisted for years that Heim, who would be 94 if still alive, was in the Puerto Montt area in Chile, where a daughter of his has lived since the 1960s. San Carlos de Bariloche is located in Argentina, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) to the east of Puerto Montt.

Supporting the belief that Heim is alive are a multimillion-dollar bank account in his name and other investments that no one has claimed, Zuroff said. To do that, the claimant would have to produce proof that Heim was dead.

A reward of $495,000 is being offered jointly by the center and the German and Austrian governments for information leading to his capture. Heim tops the Wiesenthal Center's list of most-wanted Nazi war criminals.

A number of Nazis sought refuge in South America after World War II.

Heim was indicted in Germany on charges he murdered hundreds of inmates at Mauthausen concentration camp, where he was camp doctor. He was known as "the Butcher of Mauthausen."

He was held for two and a half years by the United States military but was released without being tried and disappeared in 1962, when he was tipped off that the indictment by German authorities was imminent.

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By mariacvetanoski on Jul 15, 2008, 07:30 in Politics & the war.

kalder says on Jul 15, 2008, 08:14:

The hunt for the Nazis should go on, unrelentingly, for as long as possible.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Jul 15, 2008, 08:14:

Peron was an utter scoundrel.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Jul 15, 2008, 08:15:

(And It's a crying shame that those responsible for Stalin's Terror aren't being hunted down at all.)

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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morphus says on Jul 15, 2008, 08:38:

"According to a 2007 publication by former Israeli Air Force Colonel Danny Baz,[16] Heim was kidnapped from Canada and taken to Santa Catalina off the Californian coast, where he was killed by a Nazi-hunting team codenamed “The Owl�? in 1982"

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mariacvetanoski says on Jul 15, 2008, 08:43:

good reads and movies on this topic
"Imagining Argentina" (2005)
Buenos Aires 1976: Carlos and his wife Cecilia live with their daughter in a city haunted by the ongoing disappearances of thousands of its citizens. Cecilia's editorials questioning these disappearances have attracted the attention of government agents. When Carlos arrives home one day, he finds Cecilia has been abducted by the police and taken to one of the countries notorious secret prisons.
Antonio Banderas Movies ... at
and Steven Speilberg United States Holocaust Memorial Musuem USHMM.ORG video and film documentary /book

Save the street children of Colombia Now!!

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romy says on Jul 15, 2008, 08:53:

not sure how Nazi's tied in with Imagining Argentina? I saw the movie, but a while a go so that might be why I'm not making the connection

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Catfish35 says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:23:

At some point and time, the Holocaust as much of a horror as it was will simply have to to be put into the history books once and for all. As I said it was a terrible thing that happened. So is Darfur.
However, you will never see tracking parties well into the year 2100 looking for those criminals. Nor will you see monuments, charities, prime pieces of real estate set aside, organizations, both for and non profit for Darfur people or any of the other atrocities.
Frankly, I am tired of hearing about. I am an American. America had nothing to do with the Holocaust except in the last stages help bring it to an end. However, we all have to constantly hear about it, see it in monuments and everything else in America. Now you may jump off and label me anti-semite however until you know more about me be careful. I would like see more monuments in America about the horrors and atrocities that happened here like The American Indian...However, I do not think you will see this. Can you answer why? Its really easy folks. 2 words...MONEY & INFLUENCE.

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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kalder says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:25:

The Holocaust is just very well documented. That's why it's the touchstone of evil in our consciousness.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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nueva york bombero says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:27:

The Jews have both fish!
And I agree...there isnt enough to memorialize the American Indians.

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kalder says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:29:

What about memorials to settlers' kids who were murdered by the Indians? You could just go round and round with this. The Holocaust serves well as a broad symbol for all genocide.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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MaFe says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:34:

nueva york bombero says on Jul 15 (today): flag

And I agree...there isnt enough to memorialize the American Indians.

I agree too!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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romy says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:37:

yeah right, the savage indians trying to protect their land took outrageous measures....................

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kalder says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:37:

What about the tens of thousands of Christians enslaved on Barbary Coast by muslim corsairs? Or the Irish prisoners shipped out as slaves to Barbados by Cromwell? Or the Kalahari bush people massacred by the pre-War German military? It'd be endless. There's so much evil abroad in the world, that we just cannot disperse our resources by memorialising all acts of genocide. Let the Holocaust stand as symbol for all.

Especially seeing as most of the world's Muslims and a good half of its leftwingers would like to see a rerun.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:39:

Yep, I think we should concentrate our efforts one stopping the current genocides, such as Darfur, Palestinian, etc…and not look for the culprits in 100 years

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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kalder says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:43:

I'm well aware of the genocide in Darfur. But, outside of the Arabic press and a few leftwing tracts, there isn't one in Palestine. Unless, of course, you count the different gangs of thugs in Gaza throwing each other off of tall buildings.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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morphus says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:44:

Has there been a Muslim genocide?

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Corey3368 says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:56:

We should search for the guilty, why should their atrocities be absolved just because time has past. Their crimes are not less heinous because they have been able to elude prosecution.

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Catfish35 says on Jul 15, 2008, 09:57:

Yeah the American Indian sure did some terrible things "as the savages were trying to protect THEIR land" What hell is the matter with that sentence..
But anyway, all that stuff happened here on this soil...why do we have drive into our cities and look at memorials with emaciated bodies burning in balls of fire to remember the holocaust??
You mention many other atrocities but we see nothing much of the other stuff here in memorials..
I am not talking shit locations either...like off the beaten path..these memorials got the best seats in the house real estate...money no question..

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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Catfish35 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:02:

COREY..I do agree with you...honestly.
I was trying to enlighten the disparity in what is happening now in the world and nothing is being done compared to the efforts and money being spent tracking some friggin 94 year old man that was a killer. And why is it Americas problem and we have to have it jammed down our throats..it did not happen here. The only reason is because of MONEY & INFLUENCE.

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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Corey3368 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:04:

These memorials should be front and center. We should never forget the murder of 6 million innocent men, women and children. Maybe there should be more memorials. It seems the world is already forgetting as we allow atrocities to occur in Darfur.

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Catfish35 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:04:

If I am talking about the same man here ...I believe he was found not guilty in Germany and they had to take it somewhere else to get the guilty verdict.

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:04:

We need to start a worldwide search for these two racist criminals immediately:

"Colonel Henry Bouquet to General Amherst, dated 13 July 1763:

P.S. I will try to inocculate the the Indians by means of (Smallpox infested) Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard's Method, and hunt them with english dogs, supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine.

Amherst responded to Bouquet, in a letter dated 16 July 1763:

P.S. You will do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present."

and put a memorial for the Indian genocide on every street corner in America

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Catfish35 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:06:

Then stop building friggin Holocaust memorials and start building DARFUR memorials if you think memorials are the answer..

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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Catfish35 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:07:

The Holocaust is done..Take the money and efforts and stop whats happening now..

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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Corey3368 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:07:

"We need to start a worldwide search for these two racist criminals immediately:

"Colonel Henry Bouquet to General Amherst, dated 13 July 1763: "

I agree. If they were alive then we should hunt them down

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:09:

Oh yeah, the best way to stop genocides is to build memorials, that sounds like Ingrid’s vow not to cut her hair until all hostages are released…

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Corey3368 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:12:

"Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it"

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:19:

How about America starts building memorials about its own genocide, rather than other nations' genocides:

"From the 1490s when Christopher Columbus set foot on the Americas to the massacre of Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee by the United States militia, the indigenous population of the Western Hemisphere may have declined by as many as 100 million."

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:21:

"Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it"

Are you talking about US banks lending practices, or the US invasion of Iraq?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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dwmte7 says on Jul 15, 2008, 10:59:

the indigenous population in s.a. after the first 100 yrs of colonization, apparently declined by 50,000,000.
that's apparently why they liberated the black slaves quite early, they had an unlimited supplyof 'disposable' indigenous folks they could do awaywith.

i'm not sure of the body count on the n.americancontinent of the indigenous is/was, but it's certainly disgracefully high.

dwmte

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romy says on Jul 15, 2008, 11:10:

tasco- you actually make sense when you speak of matters other than Uribe and Chavez... I think your personal Love/Hate feelings in those matters shape your views. Anyways, I didn't want to put a sour note on this discussion that is very good but I thought it'd be worth me mentioning that I admire your human consciousness in these matters.

Also, I agree memorials are useless. I'd like to see more actions. And I don't say forget the holocaust but I agree there are current atrocities that require more attention, rather than something that passed quite a while ago.

kalder- sure atrocities from both (all) sides need to be analyzed and acted upon with the same critical stance. But I don't agree with the polarizing that you are trying to accomplish in this discussion.

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 11:49:

“tasco- you actually make sense when you speak of matters other than Uribe and Chavez"

Romy, I am not sure if I should take this as a compliment…

“I admire your human consciousness in these matters."

Now you really got me doubting about what I wrote. It was meant to be provocative and I end up getting an accolade. That must be the result of my vow to stop drinking guaro until all the hostages are released, it's driving me crazy

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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dwmte7 says on Jul 15, 2008, 12:17:

oh tasco...i thought your vow was not to drink before 5:00 pm.

dwmte

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Lcacique says on Jul 15, 2008, 12:57:

If you want to see a memorial to the Native Americans, there are many that you can visit. They are called reservations. They aren't very pleasant, but at least you get to witness suffering up close for a few moments until you decide leave.

Whether memorials function as deterrents of further atrocities is debatable and quite possibly doubtful; however, I see nothing wrong with such sites as they serve to educate people and at the same time pay tribute to those who have perished. Why pooh-pooh such an observance. It is not as if you have a choice between either a memorial or fighting current atrocities.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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sanandressi says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:03:

A member of the Hitler Jugen in 1945 at the age of 15 would now be 78. It is time for the Israeli's and the US Department of State to stop looking for Nazi's. A few got away and so what? Time to give the hunt up but no we should never forget the Holocaust.

To tasco66 I feel some pity for the native Americans but if one takes the time to read and study you see how the Indian tribes fought amongst each other and you realize that no ethnic group is totally innocent of brutal acts. Crow verses Sioux. Blackfeet against Flathead and Shoshoni etc etc. Always a bully out there picking on the weaker.

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:09:

"that no ethnic group is totally innocent of brutal acts"

agree with that

And they need to update the US immigration forms where they ask if you committed Nazi war crimes during WWII, and replace it by a more recent genocide.

Did they ever get a positive answer?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Lcacique says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:12:

Speaking of nazi's in S.A., these photos are form a post that I started that focused on Colombian history through photographs and art.

The Nazi Party in Barranquilla, Colombia:

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I don't know...I found them to be pretty interesting. Colombia was not mentioned very often when I heard stories or read about the Nazi presence in S.A.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:16:

I didn't know Colombians were part of the “superior race"

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:26:

hahaha I can't help but find it extremely funny when i see this sort of stuff... Nazi party in BAQ last century or skinheads in Bogota today... Did I post the link for that Latin American White Supremacist Website? It was quite creepy but funny as hell...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Catfish35 says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:28:

When all said and done Darfur will make The Holocaust look like a birthday party on a short bus on their way to Chucky Cheese....But you will never see the monuments or the capture of criminals..

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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Lcacique says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:28:

I'm not positive, but I think that I read where the Colombian president at the time pissed off the US president because of his pro Nazi rhetoric. If I remember correctly, he eventually changed his tune and became pro-West. I'd love to learn more about this aspect of Colombian history.

Yep, tasco66...pretty strange.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:30:

That looks like Elmo's father in the brown shirt

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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huskie says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:35:

Apparently there is a lot of stuff and history, not very many people know except for Colombian Historians throughout many many years
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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Lcacique says on Jul 15, 2008, 13:40:

geeeeeez, Catfish. I agree that Darfur may be worse, but comparing the holocaust to a ride to Chuck E. Cheese (while i admit it can be a little frightening for adults) is extremely exaggerated amongst other things. Genocides are genocides. They are evil and never comparable to rides to restaurants.

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romy says on Jul 15, 2008, 14:00:

off the top of my head... German planes were used in the Colombia-Peru War in the early 1930s... this alliance helped Colombia tremendously as it had otherwise no chance against a stronger Peruvian force. There's also indication of pro-nazism as a result of the Panama canal situation and then La Violencia period when conservative stronhold was shaky and then the death of Gaitan, perhaps a good history book would help....

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romy says on Jul 15, 2008, 14:03:

I found this gem "Herbert Boy and the other German Aviators of SCADTA (later to become Avianca) fitted their commercial planes for war as a temporary Colombian Air Force."

"The Colombo-German Air Transport Society (Spanish: Sociedad Colombo Alemana de Transporte Aéreo), or SCADTA, was Latin America's first airline, operating from 1919 until World War II. After the end of World War II, SCADTA merged with Colombian regional carrier Colombian Air Service (Spanish: Servicio Aéreo Colombiano), or SACO. Together, SCADTA and SACO formed the current Colombian Flag Carrier: Airline of the American Continent (Aerovías del Continente Americano, or Avianca). Avianca still operates to this day.

SCADTA started out as a small airmail carrier in Colombia, working with Junkers hydro-planes that were capable of landing in Colombia's Magdalena River, mostly due to the fact there were very few suitable landing strips in Colombia at the time. The company's German ownership motivated the U.S. government to subsidize Pan American World Airways expansion in Latin America under the Hoover administration. SCADTA was barred from operating flights to the US and the Panama Canal, although it continued to maintain a broad route network in the Andes region. The formation of Panagra in the 1930s further eroded SCADTA's position in the market. Prior to World War II, the principal shareholder, an Austrian called Von Bauer, secretly sold his shares to United States in an attempt to protect acquisition of the airline by the Nazi Government. In 1941, following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, SCADTA was forced to cease operations and its assets were merged by the Colombian government into the state owned airline SACO, forming the modern Colombian national carrier: Avianca."

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tasco66 says on Jul 15, 2008, 14:08:

You can make an alliance with the Nazis, but think that your are now part of the aryan “superior race" is just laughable, just like this guy who had the same claim:

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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dwmte7 says on Jul 15, 2008, 15:54:

cacique....that is unless this ride to chuckie cheese was a cover up to a ride to the oven. jaja

dwmte

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SUERTE GRINGO says on Jul 15, 2008, 17:08:

"Catfish35 says on Jul 15 (today): flag

At some point and time, the Holocaust as much of a horror as it was will simply have to to be put into the history books once and for all. As I said it was a terrible thing that happened. So is Darfur.

However, you will never see tracking parties well into the year 2100 looking for those criminals. Nor will you see monuments, charities, prime pieces of real estate set aside, organizations, both for and non profit for Darfur people or any of the other atrocities.

Frankly, I am tired of hearing about. I am an American. America had nothing to do with the Holocaust except in the last stages help bring it to an end. However, we all have to constantly hear about it, see it in monuments and everything else in America. Now you may jump off and label me anti-semite however until you know more about me be careful. I would like see more monuments in America about the horrors and atrocities that happened here like The American Indian...However, I do not think you will see this. Can you answer why? Its really easy folks. 2 words...MONEY & INFLUENCE."

Great post. I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE!

"MaFe says on Jul 15 (today): flag

nueva york bombero says on Jul 15 (today): flag

And I agree...there isnt enough to memorialize the American Indians.

I agree too!"

And despite popular opinion, the crimes against blacks in America deserve to be acknowledged before any Jew Holocaust. The Jews around the world have monopolized the market on symphaty.

“If you're gonna eat your crackers in bed, you're gonna have to sleep with crumbs."

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huskie says on Jul 15, 2008, 17:11:

Romy says: "The Colombo-German Air Transport Society (Spanish: Sociedad Colombo Alemana de Transporte Aéreo), or SCADTA, was Latin America's first airline, operating from 1919 until World War II. After the end of World War II, SCADTA merged with Colombian regional carrier Colombian Air Service (Spanish: Servicio Aéreo Colombiano), or SACO. Together, SCADTA and SACO formed the current Colombian Flag Carrier: Airline of the American Continent (Aerovías del Continente Americano, or Avianca). Avianca still operates to this day."

My Dad, was one of those pioneers (RIP)
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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kernow62 says on Jul 15, 2008, 19:46:

The US should start by getting rid of the monument at Mount Rushmore, that might help heal some of the native American's anger. For those who do not know of its contentious history go to the library or GOOGLE it.

Secondly, the US rescued quite a few Nazis and put them to work teaching interrogation (torture) techniques, teaching about chemical weapons, and missiles. Why were these scum given a free pass? That's a rhetorical question, no need to answer.

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Catfish35 says on Jul 15, 2008, 20:15:

Ok the Chucky Cheese was over the top..but still its all about ...SHOW ME THE MONEYYYY!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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Lcacique says on Jul 15, 2008, 23:06:

One of the programs of sneaking Nazi's into the US was called Project Paperclip. A former professor took part in it.

I have read a couple of history books about Colombia that mention somewhat of an alliance between it and Nazi Germany, but they both made it seem rather tenuous and brief.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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dwmte7 says on Jul 16, 2008, 00:15:

remember dr strangelove...peter sellers...one of those holdovers. another is karl rove.

dwmte

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Lcacique says on Jul 16, 2008, 00:24:

Great film.

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turnmeon says on Sep 27, 2008, 22:09:

nope sorry

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