Narcotraficante fincas

Man Tequila says on Oct 2, 2007, 23:01:

If I ever move to Colombia, I'm going to build a house made out of chicharrones.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 3, 2007, 00:00:

yep, some are wonderful, Pablo Escobar finca even had a zoo with very exotic animals. I wonder what happen to the Animals, but the farm now is in a very sad state

I watched on the news when I was in Colombia the finca of that narcotrafficker Chupeta, it has a lake with those water speed motorcycles , a huge swimming pool many of the rooms have expensive Marmol.
That guy had soo much money!!!!

one finca on the way to Pto Lopez it's like a mansion, it was on the market for 1,500.000.000 i don't know if i got it right but it's mil quinientos millones de pesos!!!!


MT i would not recommend to do the house out of chicharrones specially if you move to a hot city


use recycle materials, buy lots of gaseosas litro, you know the ones no retornables plastic bottles

i saw a guy that filledl them with sand and they became very heavy, and instead of using bricks he used the bottles!

kalder says on Oct 3, 2007, 00:48:

I gather the animals in Escobar's zoo were shot.

Nobody wanted/could afford to keep them.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

gabolicious says on Oct 3, 2007, 06:13:

Arturo Durazo Moreno a mexican "politician" had a finca where built a scale of the Parthenon and according to an article, he had lots of extravagant things, his toilet for example, was made of gold... and had a zoo also...

This is not a legend... since one of the most important political magazines in Mexico published some pics.

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

billyb says on Oct 3, 2007, 06:42:

MT, the late Chepe Santacruz (Cali cartel honcho in the late 8s and early 90s) after he was denied admission (even after offering bribes) to the Club Colombia in Cali, built a replica of it in Ciudad Jardin in the south and was always throwing lavish parties. After he was killed (in Bogota I believe, sorry Rubi) it sat abandoned and ha since been looted and only the shell remains.

billyb says on Oct 3, 2007, 07:10:

Kalder, Pablo's hippos are still roaming his former farm , Hacienda Napoles, no zoo wanted them as it was too expensive to fly them. They now roam the area and raise general havoc.

El Polo says on Oct 3, 2007, 08:31:

I can just imagine un kiosko made of plastic bottles. LOL

Man Tequila says on Oct 3, 2007, 09:35:

If I had a finca made of chicharrón Elmo would eat me out of house and home :(

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

El Polo says on Oct 3, 2007, 09:42:

Hey talking about Elmo and eating, do you think that grizzly bear finally got a hold of a guajiro quarter pounder with cheese?

El Polo says on Oct 3, 2007, 09:44:

"This might be my very last post, on Friday I’m heading off on a fishing adventure to the wild woods of northern USA bordering with Canada. Last time there I almost ended up bear dinner. The grizzly chased my ass around like I was a fokin Quarter Pounder with cheese" - Elmo.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 3, 2007, 09:47:

there we are polo a house made of plastic bottles

El Polo says on Oct 3, 2007, 09:51:

LOL kat, this guy is pretty creative I just hope he's not a smoker.

podborski says on Oct 3, 2007, 10:09:

if you drive around just outside bogotá, at least near the alpina dairy, you can see some pretty outlandish houses perched up in the hills.

Didn't notice a fake white house, but a few looked close to that style. A lot of modern mansions too.

Wouldn't having a house like that draw a wee bit of attention from somebody?

billyb says on Oct 3, 2007, 10:47:

If you see a country house in Colombia in a neo-roman style, you can bet it belongs to a traqueto.

Medellin Traveler says on Oct 3, 2007, 18:03:

"yep, some are wonderful, Pablo Escobar finca even had a zoo with very exotic animals. I wonder what happen to the Animals, but the farm now is in a very sad state." Kat1

Pablo Escobar's old finca will be reopened to the public next month. From my understanding the hippos are still part of the little private zoo.

Also, just returned from Medellin and was invited to a few former narcos fincas and all I can say is INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL!!

There was this one with water park attractions, a lake with padel boats and row boats, the home is converted into a hotel with a balcony overlooking a large swimming pool down below, next to a bar at the center along with several tables next to the pool for eating and drinking.

I was completely blown away at how beautiful the place was set up.

Thinking about staying there at least one night on my next trip.

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

gabolicious says on Oct 4, 2007, 06:03:

excuse me... a stupid question...

what is the purpose of reopening Pablo Escobar's house to the public?

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

El Polo says on Oct 4, 2007, 06:05:

Gabo the name alone attract plenty of visitor, im pretty sure some one is cashing in on this.

billyb says on Oct 4, 2007, 06:15:

Not to mention the employment it creates for the locals.

El Polo says on Oct 4, 2007, 06:17:

Plus plenty of people are still curious...

gabolicious says on Oct 4, 2007, 06:18:

I personally see it as $$$$$$... yeah Polo you're right it attracts a lot of people...

But thanks to that man (in part) Colombia is considered what is considered around the world (you may like it or not) only few lucky who really have visited Colombia know what is all about.

Now my question is shall we be proud of that "very nice" finca?

;)

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

El Polo says on Oct 4, 2007, 06:29:

I agree completely Gabo... he did helped tarnish colombia's name, however there are still people who are curious as to how pablo escobar really lived. As far as my opinion on him, Personally, he got what he had coming to him.

gabolicious says on Oct 4, 2007, 06:48:

yeah Polo the other day one of my friends told me she watched a documentary about him, my friend told me that at the end of it, appeared Pablo's sister saying that when he was shot she got close to his body and thanked him for the beautiful human being he had been "y lo bueno que había sido"....

My friend (who is not even Colombian) said... "no sabía que matar tanta gente inocente era característica de seres humanos tan hermosos" and I agree with her.

Ahora algunos propios y extraños vistarán esa casa por curiosidad y los extraños ingenuos, pensarán que es una parte chévere de la historia de Colombia.... lo lujoso no se lo quita

disculpen lo cansón de un servidor, pero me parece, triste y lamentable que esa parte de la historia de Colombia dé de comer a los lugareños, finalmente es parte no podemos ocultarla, porque existió y seguimos padeciendo y sufriendo las consecuencias...

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Cerealkiller says on Oct 4, 2007, 13:17:

Gabo I totally hear you. It just pisses me off to see how some people refuse to put that shit behind. For the most part, these 'lavish' houses were not even tasteful or elegant...I mean gold doorknobs and crystal rock mirrors on the ceiling is not my idea of "beautiful" let alone "classy". Tacky rococo has been out of date for decades...thank god!!!!
I would not pay a cent to see anyof these places, i think is a lack of respect to the country. Colombia is just trying to put that stuff in the past, what kind of idiot would come up with such a humiliating idea? opening up a house built at the expense of an entire country? Give me a break. There are plenty of young artists who deserve more attention than a criminal's legacy.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

slguy says on Oct 4, 2007, 14:19:

I can certainly understand anyone's revulsion by Escobar and his kind. But I can also easily understand why people would want to see how the guy lived. How often does one get to tour the home of a multi-billionaire criminal? Especially if he had crappy taste in interior decor! jajajajja

All countries have bad people and places in their history. Al Capone's home is Chicago is on several tours of the city. The Texas School Book Depository get visitors all the time. Call it morbid, or whatever you want to- people are curious about famous criminals, etc.

My guess is that anyone who is stupid enough to equate Escobar with typical Colombians today are too provincial, or just downright dumb, to travel to Colombia, anyway. He's a part of Colombia's history though, like it or not. When anyone questions me about security in Colombia, or anything similar, Escobar is the benchmark I use to talk about how different it is today, for the tourist, how much better it is today. To ignore that part of Colombia's history would only seem like a vast denial conspiracy.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

pedro says on Oct 4, 2007, 14:34:

CK -- "I would not pay a cent to see anyof these places, i think is a lack of respect to the country. Colombia is just trying to put that stuff in the past, what kind of idiot would come up with such a humiliating idea? opening up a house built at the expense of an entire country? Give me a break."

I see your point, CK, though I disagree. A great many of the most famous monuments were built with slave labour, or by a moneyed elite splashing obscene amounts of cash while the general population was only barely clinging to life. By that logic, the Pyramids of Egypt, Taj Mahal, Palace of Versailles, Neuschwannstein and everything the Catholic Church ever built come into question.

In a way, I think it's a kind of justice. Pablo's family had to leave Colombia as refugees. Meanwhile, while Pablo is buried six feet under, the hoi polloi is gonna be trudging through his old domain, with nothing more than a sense of mild curiosity about how the other half lived.

I would sooner pay for a visit to that finca than pay for a Ciudad Perdida trek. On the trek, you're indirectly paying paras for protection and taking photos of a cocaine factory, all so you can send it to your mates back home in their office jobs to show how hardcore a traveller you are.

¡save pow wow!

Medellin Traveler says on Oct 4, 2007, 15:41:

"gabolicious says on Thursday October 4th, 2007 6:18:

I personally see it as $$$$$$... yeah Polo you're right it attracts a lot of people...

But thanks to that man (in part) Colombia is considered what is considered around the world (you may like it or not) only few lucky who really have visited Colombia know what is all about.

Now my question is shall we be proud of that "very nice" finca?"

HELL YES!!

Remember, which is to say don't forget... "From Fear To Hope."

Regardless of what anyone thinks about this, it is definitely going to be a positive thing for Colombia altogether. Those who ignore the past are sure to repeat it. This also happened in Chicago, New York, Italy, amongst other places on this planet.

I have just started reading "Killing Pablo" and so far find his life story to be very interesting to say the least. See you all at the grand opening!!

Who's with me?

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

billyb says on Oct 4, 2007, 15:42:

Pedro, don't forget the Tower of London, that should come down also :)

Man Tequila says on Oct 4, 2007, 16:30:

And London Bridge too. Wait, I think that's already falling down.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

gabolicious says on Oct 4, 2007, 16:52:

no guys... I think you are confusing things... I am not saying: "forget the past" just simply saying: "let's move on"... If you read a book about Escobar, I expect that you consider the guy: SMART you can't be a duro with a small brain and small balls.

Good for you Medellin Traveler that you want to go to that "very nice" finca, sorry but I would not do it... that is my Colombian point of view... some of my relatives suffered the lost of friends thanks to that guy. If you are a foreigner and want to know that part of the history... nice of you, cause you will not be another foreigner thinking that all colombians are narcotraficantes.

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Man Tequila says on Oct 4, 2007, 17:16:

This thread was not meant to judge the morality of trafficking or the cultural and historical meaning of criminal organizations.

But since Sin Tetas did seem to refer specifically to Cali's Club Colombia I was wonderin whether the other examples there were true. Guess no one recalls the White House one. Newspapers tend to focus on the fact so and so was captured and do not provide interesting details. But here is an article about Pablo's hippos.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060819.ESCOBAR19/TP...

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

billyb says on Oct 4, 2007, 17:58:

MT, I read about the white house example in an article where the writer obviously had never set foot in Colombia and was describing in all details The Club Colombia copy and calling it a copy of the white house. That's what happens when people write about places they've never seen.

Man Tequila says on Oct 4, 2007, 19:19:

Thanks, billyb. Was wondering where the rumour started.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

Cerealkiller says on Oct 5, 2007, 11:58:

"I see your point, CK, though I disagree. A great many of the most famous monuments were built with slave labour, or by a moneyed elite splashing obscene amounts of cash while the general population was only barely clinging to life. By that logic, the Pyramids of Egypt, Taj Mahal, Palace of Versailles, Neuschwannstein and everything the Catholic Church ever built come into question"

Pedro I think that isnt a fair comparison, although i do see your point. However, slavery, class disparity etc were regarded as part of the status quo at the time. It was not illegal to have slaves, it was part of the modus vivendi...yes, we now see it as a despicable practice but at the time, these practices enjoyed some degree of legitimacy. Escobar on the other hand was a criminal, killing, trafficking and acting against the law for nothing other than self profit. He terrorised a nation and his legacy is very recent still...if someone decides to revive his infamous glory in a 100 years then awesome, good for them. But I find it terribly disrespectful towards people who were orphaned or kidnapped thanks to this monster...most of them are still alive.
I think its a matter of not contributing to the humiliation of people who are already victims. And even if the people who are charging said "ok, the money collected will go to a peace fun" or whatever, still its not good enough. Its too fresh...I am not ready to see escobar's legacy as a major tourist attraction in Colombia and I am sure many people feel exactly the same.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

billyb says on Oct 5, 2007, 12:37:

Good or bad, Escobar is part of the history of Colombia, ignoring it will not make it go away. Better to teach about it and hopefully it can be avoided in the future. You don't see the English pretending that Henry VIII never existed and his former homes, Hampton Court and the Tower are major tourist attractions.

Cerealkiller says on Oct 5, 2007, 12:42:

yes but Herny VIII was the establishment. Pablo escobar wasn't...I am not saying ignore it...hell no. Im just saying take it for what it is, something that needs to be left six feet under.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

billyb says on Oct 5, 2007, 12:51:

Pablo was a congressman, that's establishment.

lpdiver says on Oct 5, 2007, 13:21:

In addition to the above...in some of the poorer barrios a LOT of paisas remember Pablo as someone who helped the poor.

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"cook some rice!"

gabolicious says on Oct 5, 2007, 17:18:

CK... that is my girl!!!! jajajajajajajajaja

That's why I love you!!!

=)

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

la campiña says on Oct 5, 2007, 17:40:

FINCAS , ha, I live in a place ( its not mine I babysit it for a friend you understand) in cali, close to sexta ( as if you dont know) its preposterous, massive, pretentious,pompous, pool, fountain in the living room ( well i'd call it a ballroom) lookout tower, torture cubicles, no stop thats just me, gulp, but you dont have to go into them thar hills to get close to the real deal, comprenden, BUT its ok now. I digress, . My english spelling is getting worse , now that would not be to bad if my spanish was improving , the proof is in the pudding, mm with custard.

billyb says on Oct 5, 2007, 18:24:

Gabo you'll sell you soul for a pretty face? :))

robi666 says on Oct 5, 2007, 18:35:

la campina, reading your posts, it always causes headache to me... i will have to put you on ignore :-)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

la campiña says on Oct 5, 2007, 18:39:

I've already sold my soul to rock and roll, haaaaaaaaaaa what did I get in return, polite aplause, aahh never again............ wheres my guitar, aahh here you are niña, tranquila,. SMOKE ON THE WATER, riff merchants stand up now and take the respect you deserve,

Cerealkiller says on Oct 6, 2007, 00:54:

He was not one when the avianca airplane exploded in the air, he was not a congressperson when Lara Bonilla was murdered, or when he bombed the DAS building... This person was a blatant criminal, so comparisons with Henry VIII in my opinion are out of the question.

If someone wants to go spend their money and time at Hacienda Napoles then good for them, but I feel Colombia has a lot more to offer than Drugs, death, and everything that comes with it. If those in charge of the project are going to show Escobar for the monster he was, just like Hitler is shown everywhere, then I would consider changing my opinion. But, personally, Id never set foot in there.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

billyb says on Oct 6, 2007, 13:18:

Myself, I think crimes against humanity are still crimes that should be punished whether they were commited by a king or a narco kingpin. BTW, this is what it will be used for in part.

"The Colombian government, which seized Napoles from Escobar's exiled wife and children, will begin breaking up the property into smaller lots next month. Part of the ranch is intended for a prison housing 1,200 inmates, and there are plans for an anti-crime museum "

goin_south says on Oct 6, 2007, 13:25:

(la campina, reading your posts, it always causes headache to me....robi666)

La Campiña....OTOH...it provides some of us with that deep belly laughter we all so much need for better health ;)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Cerealkiller says on Oct 6, 2007, 15:30:

Billy I would agree with you, essentially, crimes against humanity are what they are regardless of who is committing them. Except of course if you are comparing the XX century mentality, (with human rights, international courts etc etc) to the XVI century, when there was no notion of such thing. Both are very different contexts, different times and mentality... judging both under the same perspective is very misleading.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

billyb says on Oct 6, 2007, 22:18:

Yeah, but i have a feeling that those people being tortured and having their heads axed in the Tower of London by Hank's henchmen, somehow still thought that what was happening to them was wrong.

edvodge_41 says on Nov 6, 2007, 00:34:

BILLY B , JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW. nor MT nor you r right about the "club colombia" house. Although i've seen you have done your research the truth is none of the above. I am from Cali and I was lucky enough to meet the man himself (Don Chepe).Actually I am a close friend of the Santacruz family.Let me tell you, for your info that was a bunch of crap some american journalists wrote in the 80's and after the article was published some people in Colombia an the US started actually to believe in it and then other journalists wrote it as a fact. The real story however is.Don Chepe bought this property for his family back in 1977. Construction started in 78'. It is true it was one of the biggest mansions in Colombia but he never tried to join Club Colombia, he was never interested. The house did not portray the white house nor club colombia. He did like club Colombia beer however.The mansion was detroyed in 92' because Mr. santacruz wanted a bigger one so that his 4 younger children would have their own room(space). This second house (" sat abandoned and ha since been looted and only the shell remains" that is accurate Billy B) was never completed because Santacruz was assasinated by rival Norte del Valle Cartel in a meeting in Medellin in March 1996. He was betrayed by Carlos Castanio (head of paramilitary group at the time) THESE ARE ALL FACTS FROM AN INSIDER.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 6, 2007, 05:22:

Pablo wasn't a 'full' congressman, he was something like an 'alternate.' As for the Hacienda Naples, someone could Google this, but I'm pretty sure the Colombian government is reopening it as a tourist attraction. The wandering hippos periodically make the news, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacienda_Napoles
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0CE3DF1230F931A35755C...