NarcoTourims

dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:25:

LORD! what next?

dwmte

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jorgegdiaz says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:30:

I watched it too WEB. Altought I also find Manuel Teodoro to be a sensacionalist, I think his team made a valid point by showing how those tourists (mostly in their early tweties) just come to snort blow and somke every single thing that can be lit. It made think of PBH a lot last night...
I´m eagerly waiting for next Sunday at 7:30 PM on CARACOL to watch the takes on "Cat-tagena" to see another angle of what I already saw a couple of weeks ago there. Buch of foreigneres looking to score cheap drugs and whores. Nonetheless interesting.
(Oh, and there weren´t Iranians, there were Israelians).

"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so."Robert Orben

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webmanco says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:32:

Thanks for the correction. Then Cartagena might as well put Manuel Teodoro as non grata person in La Heroica, as they did Pirry.

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jorgegdiaz says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:40:

nah, if anything it will bring more tourists to "Cattagena". I don´t think Medellin was left in good standing anyway ...The Escobar tour was interesting. It made me remember of a really conservative Mexican-American friend in Texas (... duh!!) who used to say he wanted to snort a line on Escobar´s grave (didn´t do any drugs), jsut for the heck of it.

"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so."Robert Orben

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truthspeaker says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:50:

This was two years ago...

Remember, I can only tell the truth. No more Sex Tourism in Colombia.

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webmanco says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:56:

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cali373 says on Oct 30, 2007, 12:35: flag

You know these "narco labs" have gotten more attention from tourists. When I was hanging out with some Europeans in Bogota, they were interested in checking them out. I have seen pics on the web and tales of the tour on facebook. I am not sure how Uribe and the U.S. Dept. just happens to miss these labs right in front their faces.
You think Uribe could just be looking the other way? Do yuo think the tour of these labs would still be around if they were in Meta or Putumayo?

Smile if you are a thinker!

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robi666 says on Jul 21, 2008, 06:59:

dwmte7 says on Jul 21 (today): flag
LORD! what next?

Douglas, you seem to be surprised... Why?
Sex tourism and drug tourism are a well known plague of Colombia. Nothing new here.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Jul 21, 2008, 07:01:

Just to refresh memories...
this is just part 1 of 6. Take a look at the part with underage prostitution and figure out what can be foreigners reputation in Cartagena...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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morphus says on Jul 21, 2008, 07:32:

"Many foreigners come to Colombia because of cheap illegal drugs prices, from many countries, USA, Canada, UK, Iran etc"

If you factor in airfare and hotel prices they are'nt saving much. Colombia should welcome them with open arms anyway.

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morphus says on Jul 21, 2008, 07:34:

I watched the video. It does'nt look like a foreign problem.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 07:38:

robi...common....narco tourismo? sure it's surprising. they don't drag out el ejercito for a few hookers on the street. but when i was out in eastern antioquia, they sure went out in force for qual quier jungle lab.

now, for 20 pesos and a chiva ride, you can make the tour. i have to admit, i've dabbled in party favors for years and i still don't know squat about the production...from leaf to paste to blow. it's all mysterious magic.

dwmte

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jorgegdiaz says on Jul 21, 2008, 07:39:

... if you account the money you would spend in lawyers, legal fees, fines and /or possible clink time...looks like a bargain to me Morphus
(added)
However, I still don´t condone it

"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so."Robert Orben

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morphus says on Jul 21, 2008, 07:51:

Clink time? Yeah..I see it every week on those cop shows. Then its a good idea.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 08:09:

for any of your tourists who think you're gonna vacation in the 'promised land' look real close at the above flick. just a glimpse at what's out there in the dark, waiting for YOU.

CUIDADO!!! i can't tell you that enough. if you're in medallo. don't be a fool/dead. do not, i repeat, do not go to barrio 'triste', 'nikitau', east bello some areas around belen. there's nothing for you there but problems. consider yourselves warned.

dwmte

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morphus says on Jul 21, 2008, 08:13:

No big deal. The tourists can just stay in a nice area and hook up with a dealer that will drop it off at the hotel.

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gorgonabob says on Jul 21, 2008, 08:44:

that program was a load of crap.. what a joke. they did not get anything in medellin... they must have come to all the hostels here expecting to get undercover pictures of gringos taking drugs and they got nada.. i thought it was quite funny.. all they got was video of a colombian who organized a stupid wee tour that i had never previously heard about... and the parents of that stupid american kid who died of a drug overdose, please,,, kids are dying ever few minutes in the states of drug overdoses big deal. all in all it was a big yawn really

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webmanco says on Jul 21, 2008, 08:47:

As I said Septimo día is somehow "amarillistas" but then again I had not been in La Casa the night club in Medellín where they went into the bathroom with a hidden camera and try to show people snorting with the comment that it looked like La ONU with different nationalities in there. What might be also true is that this deaths from overdosis are mostly kept secret.

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gorgonabob says on Jul 21, 2008, 08:56:

there are probably a lot more people dying from drug overdoses in other countries than in colombia id say... ive never heard of a backpacker dying in medellin from an overdosis.. certainly no one thats passed through my place

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nbenjamin says on Jul 21, 2008, 09:51:

Tourists - Doing drugs and sleeping with Hookers???? Never happens, does it?

This is a problem that exists everywhere. When your young dumb and have a little money you do all kinds of crazy sh*t outside of your country. The sh%t me and my friends did when travelling through Europe was outrageous and often involved sh&t like this. I met some brazillians the other day travelling through the U.S. and they had just come to Los Angeles from Vegas - their stories sounded pretty outrageous - guess what - they involved drugs and hookers.

Move along nothing exciting here

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paulr says on Jul 21, 2008, 10:10:

That´s a powerful Documentary on Cartagena Robi, very sad. INstead of trying to help the poor build a better life where they are, they seem to be beating them back form the tourist areas with a stick. These people are desperate, desperate people take desperate measures which includes robbery and prostitution, it´s just survival.

If your child was sick and you didn´t have any money to pay for the treatment, the baby would die without care, you would do something that you wouldn´t normally do to get that money, no? I know i would.

The sex and drug tourists are not to blame, if there is someone willing to pay for something, you will always find a seller. They should stop saying that the poor people are a problem and start trying to help them.

It´s just the same in Miami. I remember going there stupidly thinking that it would be similar to what you see on TV, well, near the beach is very nice and protected but when i walked 3 or 4 blocks back, i remember thinking, sh*t..i don´t feel safe here, what a sh*t whole and got myself out of there.

Concerning drugs: You should see some of the clubs in Manchester, 90% of the people in there are off their heads and i have only heard about a couple of deaths, i´m yet to see a club in Colombia with the same percentage of people off their heads. Its the BS of Colombia still having a bad name. I was in Mama Africa's in Cusco, the toilets were full of people doing gear and the doorman was selling, don´t hear about the problem of tourists going to Peru to get cheap gear.

Personally, i think alcohol is the secret killer because of the aggression is causes in some people, i wonder what percentage of murders that alcohol has been a part of or a cause?

"paulr threatens me with death !" pobrecito

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paisa29 says on Jul 21, 2008, 10:21:

Believe or not that is the sad truth, most of these guys are from Israel not Iran.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 21, 2008, 10:56:

interestingly enough, we're talking about problems in colombia, not in europe, brazil, peru, las vegas or los angeles. certainly all these and more have their problems and issues. but here, we're trying to address some resolve in the colombian equation.

the outlying areas of almost all metropolitan centers in colombia, are pregnant with crime and poverty. probably without exception. and certainly should not be frequented by the average tourist. patronage of the ladies also feeds the market place as does drug and alcohol use. raising the 'bar' is up to each and every one of us, national and tourist alike.

many use the three above mentioned distractions frequently or modestly. some resort to violence and meyhem others maintain composure and decorum. we each know what catagory we fall in. if in the former, it's evident that work, internally, is called for. if in the latter, your conduct is a model for others. where ever you are in the world. not just colombia. there is no gray area between solutionists and problemists.

dwmte

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morphus says on Jul 21, 2008, 11:04:

Yup, nobody to blame but Colombia. If all these vices were'nt avaliable in Colombia so freely, then these types of tourists would'nt go.

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webmanco says on Jul 21, 2008, 11:08:

Uribe is looking into tighenent up the personal use dosis, but the problem is cosumer countries as well.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 21, 2008, 11:11:

I think I read something about changing the law that currently permits consumption of marijuana, heroin and cocaine... but the attempt failed.

Is the matter being considered again?

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paulr says on Jul 21, 2008, 11:16:

"law that currently permits consumption of marijuana, heroin and cocaine" didn´t know it was legal? But i suppose that´s just s certain amount

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morphus says on Jul 21, 2008, 11:20:

So whats the problem? If certain amounts are allowed, why do people care if tourists are doing it?

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 21, 2008, 11:23:

I've posted this a few times before. I assume it's still accurate.
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http://cocaine.org/colombia/legal.html

A decade after Colombia legalized possession of 20 grams of marijuana and one gram of cocaine and heroine for private consumption, President Alvaro Uribe wants to restore total prohibition.
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paulr says on Jul 21, 2008, 11:41:

If it´s prohibited or not, people will use it like they do all over the world. I don´t care if Tourists use it or not, its part of the party scene here, but it does give us a bad name.

"paulr threatens me with death !" pobrecito

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bigtexas1974 says on Jul 21, 2008, 13:30:

There are drugs and whores everywhere in the world. Who gives a shit.

"Sex is one of the most wholesome, beautiful, and natural experiences money can buy." - Steve Martin "You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get a little older. Little things, like getting spanked every day by a middle aged woman."

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paulr says on Jul 21, 2008, 14:36:

ha ha, nicely put big guy

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tejasmarcos says on Jul 21, 2008, 18:10:

i go to amsterdam for the awesome architecture.....

* they need more social programs in Colombia for the poor. i have yet to see a shelter in this country...

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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tejasmarcos says on Jul 21, 2008, 19:04:

maybe so, but they obviously need more. no YMCA here?

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Cali2005 says on Jul 21, 2008, 19:39:

I like how colombia says its a foreigner drug use problem. Thats a bunch of political crap. There just as many drug users here percentage wise. Of course if your referring to the money made from selling the cocaine then yes most of the money comes from the usa or actually Mexico where the Colombians sell most of the stuff too. Colombians control much less of the drugs in the states now. Its handed off to the mexicans and other mobs in various countries which make most of the money.

Dirty money runs all the way up to the presidents office. Thats just the reality of Narco Politics in Colombia, Mexico...and the list goes on....No the USA is not perfect either.

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Cali2005 says on Jul 22, 2008, 06:56:

Even though its legal if your on the streets snorting coke in El Poblado the cops will get pretty pissed, so although you might not go to jail i wouldnt recommend pissing these guys off!

I have seen the cops whack guys on the legs with their clubs after catching them in the street smoking pot. Looked pretty painfull.

So obviously they didnt have much pot and didnt go to jail, but i know a mad cop and billy club is not a good thing!

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dwmte7 says on Jul 22, 2008, 07:49:

you're right, cali. tread lightly is the order of the day. you can score from some of the police, but don't think that a 'get outta jail' card. they're toughies and can be exceptionally brutal. i could relate a story that would make your short and curlies wrinkle up, but even as open as i am on pbh, i'll reserve this for a book or something like that.

just pay attention, foreigners. treat it like you were in beverly hills, be descreet and cool and don't be foolish and a blowhard. if you're cool, they'll be cool with you.

dwmte

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 22, 2008, 10:01:

Webmanco, I think you're confusing Iran and Iranians with Israel and Israelis. The people touring Colombia after the army service are Israelis, not Iranians.

Neither group would appreciate the confusion.

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webmanco says on Jul 22, 2008, 10:03:

I did thank Jorge Diaz for the correction, third and fourth replies to this thread, plus Paisa29 brough it up as well on reply 21th. Thanks again anyway.

ISRAEL.

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morphus says on Jul 22, 2008, 10:14:

Iranians would be more interested in Colombia's strip clubs. Allah says it ok.

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dwmte7 says on Jul 22, 2008, 14:20:

really......if the iranians discovered colombia...they'ld NEVER go home.

that's the secret to peace in iran. send a few of junin's lovelies there to dance for the supreme sack of shit there. he'll reform in minutes.

dwmte

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webmanco says on Jul 27, 2008, 17:51:

La ruta del Vicio

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