Nanny from Colombia

lpdiver says on Oct 6, 2005, 12:51:

Middle aged women... are not eligible for an au pair visa...the requirements are very strict. On the other hand I am sure you can find what you want already here in the Us if you knopw how to look.


T

"cook some rice!"

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 12:53:

sonagul How comfortabe would a middle-aged woman from Colombia feel in the US if she did not have relatives or friends here?
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?? Any person for that matter!
What healthcare insurance options are available who come as nannies?
How much would her services cost if they also include some household choirs?
What would you be willing to pay for her service and health care? IF it were your family what would you want for her?? It is a business arrangement so it falls under business health care.
How often would she like to go home and are we expected to pay for her vacation trips to Colombia?
How often would you want to visit your family if it was you in this case? You should be willing to pay for her trips once or at least twice a year
I do not know who you would talk to about this but answer your questions above and you could clear that part up very fast.

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sonagul says on Oct 6, 2005, 12:53:

why not middle aged women? you mean a blond bimbo who can run off has more chances of getting a visa?

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lpdiver says on Oct 6, 2005, 12:57:

google au pair...but i seem to recall that for au pair visa 17-27 is the allowable ages...they also spell all in great detail

T

"cook some rice!"

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 12:57:

sonagul A side note. Why not a women from England or Russia or Canada? There are a lot of Nannys available in the USA. You could save yourself a lot of money getting one from here. Why from Colombia?

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:02:

sonagul I personally feel from what you wrote that you think going to Colombia is a cheap place to get help. It is a bit degrading don't you think? Blond Bimbo????? A problem with blondes? I don't think I would want to work for you now. I will pass but thanks for asking.
UC, You can apply for this job now. Your middle aged and not a blonde. You don't need a visa either:-}

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sonagul says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:04:

to Sonny HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?? Any person for that matter!
I feel OK but everybody is different.
IF it were your family what would you want for her??
if she was my family, i would put her as my dependant on my health insurance. but since i cannot, i was asking for teh specific insurance options.
How often would you want to visit your family if it was you in this case?
I have not been home for 10 years--too far and too expensive. So my educated guess is not to generalize about other people.

I would like a nanny from Colombia is because I have ties to this country. So does my kid.

And serious, no need to get so dramatic about ordinary questions. After all, I am not hiring you for you to get so defensive.

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:15:

sonagul Defence is what your on when you have NO offence. If you have not seen your family for 10 years because of the cost then it says you don't have the money or do not desire to visit your family. Distance should not keep you from your family. The trip for her to go to Colombia is about $895.00 to $1500.00 depending on who and what you fly. Distance to Russia from any place in the USA is about $1100.00

If you do not have the Time or money to travel to visit your family then it raises another question. How can you afford a nanny with the possibilities of paying for her travel if you cannot afford your own travel to visit your family?? Have a nice day and good luck

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sonagul says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:15:

to Sonny: is a bit degrading don't you think?

degrading is not to give people an opportunity to decide for themselves how to make a living.

Colombia is a cheap place to get help.

there are places that are cheaper. Colombian nanny is the only way to raise my kid's awareness of where he comes from, learn his language and have ties to the country that he is a part of.

Blond Bimbo????? A problem with blondes? I don't think I would want to work for you now. I will pass but thanks for asking.
UC, You can apply for this job now. Your middle aged and not a blonde. You don't need a visa either:-}

Get a new forum topic to vent your frustration with your personal life.

I am definitely not looking for people like you and your likes to become a part of our family.

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sonagul says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:19:

to Sonny I am not from Russia. Try Australia.
How can you afford a nanny with the possibilities of paying for her travel if you cannot afford your own travel to visit your family??

this is not a matter of choices here. visit my family or raise a kid. visiting my family is a luxury for me with my job.

get a job, and you will see how people live and choose.

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:26:

sonagul I do not feel frustrated in my personal life I promise. I do feel,however, you could have asked your questions with a bit more information is all. To many people think that Colombia is some place you go to get something cheap. Or it is about drugs, or fast women or all kinds of bad things. If you had ties then say so. Being so general only opens doors for people to respond.

Colombia is a great place to find someone with strong family values. Finding a middle aged woman there that is willing to leave may be a problem, however.
Seeing how easy it is to ruffel your feathers tells me your easy to upset. Something to think about right?? As I said, good luck. I hope you find the Nanny just right for your family

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sonagul says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:30:

to Sonny: holly cow! from your previous posts it looks like you are man. and bitching worse than a woman!!
yes, i was upset that somebody was butting in just to get into spotlight. no substantial help or advice was offered. i for one did not go shopping for a spouse in Colombia and never thought of my kid's country the way you described it.
we are not forcing anybody to come and live with us. we were hoping to invite somebody we knew for years. if you do not even speak spanish, how the hell do you know what Colombia is?? give me a break, freaking tourist!

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:33:

sonagul
Throwing rocks?? If you think your the only person that raised a family and worked then I feel sorry for you. Just try to be a bit more clear and you will get a better response.

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:40:

sonagul [we are not forcing anybody to come and live with us. we were hoping to invite somebody we knew for years. if you do not even speak spanish, how the hell do you know what Colombia is?? give me a break, freaking tourist!]

You have completely lost it now. I speak Spanish very well. I am not a tourist. I am married to a Colombian and very happy. Much more then you I think. As I said good luck with your search.
If you know this person for years why don't you consider asking her how SHE feels about coming, visiting, or leaving her family to live with you. That would be the better person to talk to rather then go to this site and ask such an open question.

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 13:47:

sonagul With kind thoughts, I wish you the best of luck. I won't bother you again. Again, if you knew this person for a long time then you should go to the source and not the web site for answers. The cost is different from the US to your country. Simply state where your from and the response will be from people that are from your area of the world.
I played with you and you got mad. I apologize for my rudness and lack of kindness. Good luck

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Lucia Rojas says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:01:

how ano offering How about offering this guy some help, instead of picking a fight?

If I knew anything about hiring an aupair I would help.

chao... don't be discouraged... you will find your nanny. Thinking about care for your children is a serious thing.

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Rikito says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:02:

The people who have responded to you today are all men who are either proud Colombians or wish they were. I am an American male who finds nannies another form of indenturement. If you had checked other threads in here you would find that most of us think that having a live-in 'nanny' is pretty disgusting and lazy on your part. You are also cheating your child by having someone else take care of and nurturing your child. Good grief, do you have any idea how selfish and mindless your statement about driving you kid in a car for 1/2 hour(I like child better…a kid is a goat) sounds? It also sounds like you would expect to pay her Colombian wages in Australia. If your laws are like any other western country, you will not be able to claim her as a dependent for any reason, including taxes, health care etc. And if you did not pay her at least minimum wage and workers compensation taxes you would be in big doo doo with the crown.

Australia also has a large Colombian community for you to choose from so why not start there to get a live-in slave to take over your responsibilities as a mother. Or maybe find a kennel.

Please note! If your kid is a cute looking female whose age is from 6 to 60 there is a person in named Elmo who may be interested in being the nanny...but only if you give him a weekly liquor allowance and pay to board his burros.

Miss, in my humble opinion, you do not need a nanny…you need counseling.

…and so it goes!

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:05:

Yeah, we ought to think about this seriously. Maybe we can come up with a way to import poor young Third World women and then exploit them for subsistence wages. I think it's a great idea.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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sonagul says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:09:

to Sonny: play with your new wife or better, get a job.
we asked the person we know, she said she would come for the amount that is laughable. but she lived on the farm all her life and i would not want to take advantage of her not knowing that her skills are worth more in the US. you do not own this forum and i was not asking you to comment on my writing style.
i am actually in texas and "Simply state where your from and the response will be from people that are from your area of the world" would limit me to your narrow-minded opinions.
cannot believe how some old gringo fart would tell me what to do with my family. and what is up with those calls to visit my family or count my money?? trully annoyed.

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sonagul says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:13:

to rikito
Please note! If your kid is a cute looking female whose age is from 6 to 60 there is a person in named Elmo who may be interested in being the nanny...but only if you give him a weekly liquor allowance and pay to board his burros.

low life creature that you are. what go out, comes around. so keep your children safe from your own wishes.

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Lucia Rojas says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:13:

So now you are judging wether people hire a nanny ot not?
Live and let live
sometimes parents do more damage... I have seen it in my students...

Plus... I both parents work, what should they do? Leave the child by himself?
people in colombia and in many stratas, not only 4, 5 and 6 have maids and neighbors tha help with children,aunt and grandmothers, they cant afford nannies so sometimes the oldest kid ( and I'm sure you don't think I'm referring to a goat do you?), maybe 12 or 13 takes care of the younger siblings. Some of them go out to work with their parents and don't go to school. Some of them stay with crazy neighbors... some have drivers and nurses and maids all at once, it doesn't matter. In colombia people work too... and they also have to figure a way to not let their children alone while this happens. a good nanny who is committed and loving could be a blessing.

If you have time to spend with your children it is obviously better... but schedules change for different jobs... sometimes things overlap... be realistic!!!
and be loving

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:18:

I love the PBH playground. Fight! Fight! Fight!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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harocha says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:19:

Hi Sonagul I don't know how hard is to meet Colombians in Texas, but I can recommend you a yahoo group the name "Colombianos Y Amigos", they have groups all over the States and is about Colombians in The USA, just like this one but actually people help people in the forums instead of attacking them for every single stupid comment that offend their realtives, spouses or who knows !!! This group posts all the time adds from Colombians who are looking for a Colombian Nanny or Colombians Nannies looking for work in the USA. So give it a shot maybe you get lucky there. Send me a PM if you want me to give you more info.

So my advice is don't pay attention, comment to what ever you think is interesting to comment back or to clarify something that you think have been pointed with the wrong appreciation other than that pass the post and go to the next one. Actually no everyone here fights and have that Revolucionary mentallity when they don't like someone else' comments, there are some good quality forums here that help and advice people in things to do based on their own experiences.

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harocha says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:32:

Do you guys know? Do you guys know how many Colombians will do what ever it takes to have the chance 100% sure and where they can send some money home to help with the others who are not working?

Well it seems like some people who comment in this forum defending Colombian poor women who are going to be explode have no idea how it is really in Colombia when your family is poor and you don't know how to feed your kid next day because is no money to by not even coffee, or you haven't been living in those areas where a slab concrete as floor is a luxury , where some mornings you step on water at 4 am because when you get up from bed you find out that AGAIN it rained more inside your house than out side.

Well if you think it is bad to give some one in Colombia the oportunity to get a better life with a better perspective and some secure money to send back home, let me tell you that you and spouses are lucky to never faced it on your life but some others are not so lucky and find any job a better choice. You won't be able to defend this comments if you don't have the experience that takes to say: "I WAS ONE OF THE POOR PEOPLE WHO REGRAT NOW LIVING MY POOR HOUSE FOR A BETTER LIFE", My Mom is a teacher in one of the very poor neightboorhoods in the coast in Colombia and I can asure you that anyone there will give what ever it takes to be this Nanny that Sonagul is looking for.

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Rikito says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:33:

Sonagul You do not understand. In the U.S. and especially Texas nannies are not the way to go. It is disgusting...period. The only people who have nannies are the rich folks with way too much self. If you can afford to have a nanny then you can afford to stay home and take care of your child or have your husband stay home.

I could go on, but it does not sound like you are in the listening mode just the typical female attack mode. Try this...do a google search on the pros and cons of having a nanny. There are over 40,000 results on the net. Then decide...after you get counseling.

...and don't call Elmo a low life either!

...and so it goes

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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Chevere33 says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:54:

I sent you a PM So check your inbox!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:57:

Jeez! I've never seen a pile on like this over an innocent question. You guys should really take a couple deep breaths before posting.

Sonagul, I've had this discussion several times with Colombians living in the US who for one reason or another wanted to "import" a nanny.

First, unless you are a diplomat or Condaleeza Rice's first cousin, it's going to be very difficult to bring any Colombian into the states to work. Why do you want the paperwork and headache?

Second, Texas is positively crawling with latina nannies looking for work. Why not tap that pool of people? And if you're fixed on a Colombian you could probably even find that, especially if you're in a big city.

Third, bringing someone over is a huge committment on your part, unless your motive really were to exploit them (which I don't think yours is). You'll need to house, feed, insure, pay, transport and otherwise have a whole new dependent in your life. This is way more work and expense than hiring someone who is already there at a fair wage.

To the people who attacked sonagul for having/wanting a nanny, I beg to differ that it's simply something for rich people who want someone else to raise their kids. I suspect that most people saying that sort of thing have never raised kids on their own. A nanny can be like having a trusted and responsible family member there to help with the kids. It's a role that historically was filled by grandparents and aunts but doesn't work so well when everyone lives far apart.

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 6, 2005, 14:57:

Harocha, I would say that the solution is to improve conditions in Colombia so that it is not necessary for anyone to leave Colombia for a better life elsewhere.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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harocha says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:09:

UC I agree ...however I am just trying to make a point about what the discution become. He asked for advice and in my opinion Mr. Hollywood just gave Sonagul the perfect one.

I went far to the edge putting those "REALISTIC" examples just to make my point about what is wrong on bringing to USA some one from Colombia if you can afford it because you have the money to do it. As it goes for me, I took off from Colombia in MY OWN, without marrying a gringo for a green card and have here a decent job on my profession because lucky me My family always support me and help me with every single thing, so I didn't have to wait for someone to bring me here as a Nanny or maid, but remember that not all Colombians have that deserve luck.

So in conclusion I agree, but does not change the fact that the unemployment problem in Colombia is not going to be solve tomorrow and in the mean time you have to eat.

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Rikito says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:10:

Mr. Hollywood Please...stop being so diplomatic. I have lived and worked in 12 different countries in the last 30 years and never...I mean never have I not seen nor heard of the abuse and low wage exploitation that nannies get. Check the American newspapers and you will see it in the U.S. too. It is nothing less than indenturement and slavery.

Sonagul's question is not all that innocent either. Naïve, selfish, or bored with motherhood yes.

The answer is simple! She (and I assume her husband)decided to have a baby, they had a baby, they both love the baby, being a mother is her first and full time job. She is not raising a puppy! The child needs the care, love and nurturing that only a mother can provide.

If she cannot (or will not) be there to assume her responsibiltiy then the husband needs to or give the child to someone who will. By the way...where is hubby and why can't he help out?

Then she can go to the Galleria or "Needless Markup" as long as she wants to.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:15:

sonagul I made an apology to you. Now you can go to hell! If you had control of your family you would not be looking for a nanny to raise the kids you seem to have a problem doing yourself. My opinion is just like your ass whole mouth, BIG You don't want people to comment on you inability to raise your kids???? Don't write open ended questions. You don't like what I write, tuff!! If your from Texas as I doubt you are, you would not be looking for a Nanny to raise your kids. You suggested that you were from down under then you are from Texas. Texan don't look for people to raise their kids. They take that responsibility on there own. You stated you needed answers then you know them. Your are looking for a nanny from someplace cheap yet you know this person.So you degrade Colombia.( She is from the farm) What the F&$%# difference does that make? You don't know what the F at # at &% your looking for. You like to fight , so do I. Grow up, get a life and then write something intelligent. If you cannot raise your kids then you should not have had them.
I do play with my wife and tonight when I play with her again I will think about how pathetic your life is and smile. Get a job?? I retired from two of them and now I support ass wholes like you. I made an apology to you. You should have been adult enough to accept the apology and move on.

Laughable is the key word here. Your need for a nanny is not for your kids it's for you! You state your in Texas,,,,,,,, I hope you passing through. Your whole story about the need for a nanny here is a lie and you know it. The story changed many times in each response.

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kernow62 says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:32:

Sonagul why don't you just hire an illegal Colombian that is already in the US. That's what the Colombians do where I live (Florida). In fact if you were in Florida I could send a few kind, Christian Colombian illegals your way for an interview. It is a quite common practice here.

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sonagul says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:33:

to Sonny and the likes this question was posed to working mothers who have had experience with nannies. definitely not to you. the person who raised a child would not talk the garbage.

to all men who expressed their pride, please do so on another forum where a man took a picture of an unsuspecting model and then posted it on this site without her permission for jerks to jerk off. this is when you all should have felt offended.

to rikito, low life create was addressed to you. again, what goes out, comes around. do not wish to others (nanny scewing your kids) what you would not wish for yourself. apparently, you do.

if you do not have anything useful to say about my posted subject, mind your own lives. if you are so concerned about living conditions of colombian nannies, get off your asses and do something for them other than sitting here and bitching on the internet.

i definitely do not like to fight, but a bunch of idle men giving advice on nannies got me extremely upset. this will be my last post on this specific subject. so all of you who are here to "play" can go and babysit your young wives.

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Rikito says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:35:

Like I said before ...you need some serious counseling. Where's Dr. Elmo anyway?

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:38:

I agree with MR hollywood, BTW I have two kids tennagers now, and sometimes I did or I need a help of a nanny, if I could bring one from Colombia would be great, she can teach my kids more spanish and they can teach her english and she can COOK jejej, but as Mr hollywood said it would be too much hassle, paperwork, visa.blah blah. I dont't see nanies being slaves I grew in Colombia with many of them and we weren't rich. my mother always work and I dont' think my mother was a bad mother because of that, besides she is a wonderful mother. I wish I had a nanny now for my kids, somebody that they get used to see and trust apart from me and my husband, sometimes we need to go away and they can't come with us for one reason or another but they want to stay at home, I can't do that so I have to send them to friends or to their grandmother when she is available and they don't like it thay want to be at home with a nanny they would be able to do that.
I think some people here is being and hard on sonagul.

BTW I remember I became good friends with some nannies, and it was fun to have then around.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:41:

What is this? What is this, a Promise Keepers meeting?

The whole "A woman's place is in the home" thing is so 1950's and, frankly, unrealistic.

I believe the original poster said she was looking for a nanny as an option to putting her kid in daycare. In my experience, and I'm a father of two, NOBODY wants to put their kid in childcare but for economic reasons many do.

And, rikito, there's no reason someone's relationship with a nanny has to be exploitive. I've had nannies both in Colombia and in the USA. I paid the Colombian nanny about 2 times the going rate and provided health insurance for her and her kids. In the US I paid twice what she could have made at any other job with her education level. Both paid us back with incredible loyalty and hard work.

My wife and I were fortunate enough to have a nanny as an extra helper, not as a substitute to day care, but either way I think your comments are way off base.

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:43:

sonagul When you find a Nanny, Which I doubt, The feeling one gets from hearing a child say I love you will be directed toward the Nanny and never you. Remember, you did not have the time to raise them so you hired out. You don't have the time to raise them now???? The drug dealers or gangs will soon. Your are what we call a simple excuse for a parent. I don't have time, I can't do this on my own, I don't have any money. You talk as though we are going away. NOPE, won't happen. Put an ad in the paper. There is a lot of people that would be happy to prey on your kids while your gone. Keep this up and you'll find them. Your elevator does not reach the top floor, and your a brick shy of a full load. Where is your husband??? Is the Nanny for him? If I had a wife like you I would be looking for a Nanny too.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:50:

sorry sonny you so out of the way, as I told on my post I grew up with nannies and none of them could never evr replace my mother, I never ever called one of them mum.
and me and my brothers became a very respectable citizens. we never touch drugs or steal nothing. my mum and dad were full time workers.

and she is still working, and i can remember many of my nannies were great and fun to be with but none of them couldn't replace my lovely mother

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Rikito says on Oct 6, 2005, 15:51:

Mr. Hollywood I respectfully disagree with you on this. Just read this lady's tone in her messages and tell me she is not someone you would not be careful of. Read Sonny's last thread...she is not being truthful in here. What else is she not truthful about?

If Sonagul werew to have a nanny she will be responsible for another person's life while in her house besides the child's. With her explosive and thoughtless remarks in here I would find that scary...very scary.

Sonagul should look for other options and get some counseling to see if she would have the temperament for such an undertaking.

I never said that a women's place is in the home, but a mother's place is with her child and so is the father's place. Being a mom is probably one of the most difficult jobs there is...I wouldn't want it. That is why mother's who take care of thier children are held in such high esteem.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 6, 2005, 16:02:

I think sonagul was provoke f I think sonagul was provoked first. and think is up to her how to raised her kids with out us telling her what she should do or not. I think is very bad that people here that doesn't know nothing about the other person life start atacking like that. Answer the question she ask for or don't answer at all. she didnt' ask for opinions about having a nanny.

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Monpirri says on Oct 6, 2005, 16:03:

Nanny from Colombia I think I can help you here, I am sorry I just got back from work.
I'll send you a PM in this regard. I will try to find you a Colombian nanny.

Have a nice day,
Monpirri AKA "Yo me llamo Cumbia"

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Sonny says on Oct 6, 2005, 19:24:

kat1 You are not from Texas and there is a difference here. Read the papers and you will see all kinds of problems with Nanny's here. I never said that all Nanny's are bad nor did I imply it. Some are raised with maids, or other parents. Some of us were raised in foster homes. We turned out well ourselves.
I made an open apology to her. I think the issue now is the temperment she has and if she is capable of dealing with this issue in her home. I made the aoplogy and that is all I will do. If she or anyone does not accept it then get over it and move on. KAT1 I respect what you said and agree in part.

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Caballista says on Oct 6, 2005, 21:23:

Nanny in Colombia o United States? When I was married I had a housekeeper and I was the one to take care of my son. It was the best thing for me to do. She was helping me to have better time to enjoy it with my son. Then I got divorced, and didn't want to have a nanny.
And here in New York, I see how some people try to make a living working as a nannies, they charge $800.00 a week and do not teach Spanish; for that you need a teacher. Or pay extra. ($35.00 per hour).
COOK? it's not the nanny's job.
I saw also a colombian lady, that was an SLAVE, working 16 hours a day, and she was receiving $2 or 3 dollars per hour. That is not nice. Just because she is poor and in need to help her family from Colombia??? Thank god she won the case. And now she is a free lady. Plus the children in United States are very different than the Colombian children. We teach them more respect. Thank you.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2005, 01:06:

my last comment about the subject If we look at the original post, she is asking lot's of question about a nanny which is a good thing, rather than going and hire somebody illegal or taking advantage of a poor person and paying $2 or $3 dollars and hour, she wants to make sure that she is doing it fair and square. we may said to her, yes you need so and so and extra blah blah, so she will work out if it worth to have a nanny. In someway she is trying to get as much information for her and the nanny wellbeing.
And not I am not from Texas but I think is not good to generalized. I think is very good asking all those question, hell in Colombia some people don't give A s*** to some nanny, maids, and don't care how they feel or what they need to feel comfortable and secure.

BTW some of you remind me; when I was pregnant of my first child, I swore I would never ever left my child to have sweets only weekend, TV would be limited just educational programs nothing violent, good music and lot's of reading, I would read him in bed so he get used to. Educational toys, and blah blah and definitely no nannies. Hell after a year of having them for a little piece and quite you put the first film they ask for, I started from Thomas the tank to power rangers to predator. Sweets anytime (they have good teeth by the way) and reading? Well they do it but not often., toys well we end up with sword to guns and when he was 12 moth I had a nannies for a year. They teenagers now and they are good kids, actually they don't even like sweets now and they watch less TV than any other kids and funny enough my daughter loves reading and my son is a great cartoonist he sit and draw for hours and he is only 15 . What I try to said is you can't judge anybody in how to bring their kids, until you have yours, I have seen many first time mothers saying exactly what I said before having my kid and I look at them afterwards and the kids have the biggest lollipop on their hand and water guns. You bring your kids the way it's good for you and them!!! and only you know your kids so you know what it best for all of you.
chao

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2005, 01:07:

:S my post went twice, why?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2005, 01:07:

;) ;-)

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kernow62 says on Oct 7, 2005, 06:04:

Kat1 that may have been your interpretation, that is one of several.

Anyhow, I offered her constructive advice. Why go all the way to Colombia for a nanny when there are loads of qualified Colombianas, legal and illegal in the US? It is tantamount to going to Colombia for a Colombian bride when you live in NJ, NY, Chicago, Miami, Orlando etc. Pick a Colombiana that is already in the US.

If she chooses a Colombiana in the US, legal or illegal, she can still choose to pay them a nice wage.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2005, 06:18:

Maybe kernow, I always try to see the good side of the people first and give them the benefit of the doubt. ;-)

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kernow62 says on Oct 7, 2005, 06:20:

Me too, that is one of my faults I guess.

Actually when I saw sonagul and sonny having a go at each other I thought it was the same person arguing with themselves. I think I need specs!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2005, 06:25:

LMAO kernow.

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Gator says on Oct 7, 2005, 06:40:

I Would... follow kernow62's advice and find someone locally. By the time you get the paperwork cleared and a visa granted the children will likely be old enough to fend for themselves.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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bebe_1 says on Oct 7, 2005, 06:43:

legal and illegal in the US but she said she wanted to bring somebody she knew legally so that she could get her health insurance and what not!!

the most abuse i have seen is to those who are here illegally and have no voice to defend themselves. those who come legally feel safer and more secure.

and for raising a child, wouldn't you want somebody whom you know or your family and friends knew instead of hiring desperate and illegal people?

by the way, the nanny who raised me is in chile now and recieiving social security checks from US because what she was doing in the US was under legal arrangements.

beatriz

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 7, 2005, 07:31:

De Acuerdo, Kat1 Truer words were never said than, "What I try to said is you can judge anybody in how to bring their kids, until you have yours"

Everything is simpler in theory than in practice.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2005, 07:35:

sorry Mr hollywood I meant "can't"

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 7, 2005, 07:47:

Hey Kat Funny, I read your post as saying "can't" not "can" anyway.

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calipro says on Oct 7, 2005, 07:50:

Colombian nannies.. Has anybody had experience bringing nannies to the US?

Well has anybody?

If I had a child I would definitely consider getting a nanny from Colombian to help bring it up with Colombian values and culture.

I would definitely want to sponsor a woman that I already knew. Look what happened with that young registered nanny from England a while back that was put on trail for shaking the baby to death or dropping it on it’s head. I forget which. But I think she was found guilty and the judge let her go.

I for one would like to hear how to get a Colombian nanny into the states if someone out there has the nerve to post it.

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calipro says on Oct 7, 2005, 07:56:

sonagul If you do hire a nanny make sure that she is legal and pay the pay roll taxes.

It{s a shame to think about all the cabinet positions Bush's appointies didn{t get because they hired an illegal to work in their house or simply didn{t pay the payroll taxes.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 7, 2005, 08:07:

What I hear What I've heard is that your best chances of taking a nanny from Colombia to the states is if you've already been employing her in Colombia for a couple years. The dept of State apparently gives some weight to the prior relationship and continuity of care. However, I still don't think it's easy or simple. And when they give a visa, it's for a couple years with no possibility of renewal.

Without any of that, I think it's simply impossible. The US Government is looking to bring people into the country who have skills and abilities not already in surplus there. Considering the huge number of people looking to work as nannies, it's hardly an extraordinary skill in the eyes of the people making these decisions.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 7, 2005, 08:11:

Colombian values and culture Speaking as a parent, I think "Colombian values" might be over-rated when it comes to child rearing. I think this is a great country and full of nice people, but I see both parents and nannies here all the time shaming children, threatening them with stories like if they don't do something a man is going to come out from under your bed and eat you, hitting kids, etc. Granted, there's a lot of bad parenting in the US, too, but I hardly see Colombia as on the forefront of progressive parenting.

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bebe_1 says on Oct 7, 2005, 08:17:

about my nanny and her visa you cannot get health insurance if the nanny is illegal. sonagul was obviously looking for health insurance options of a legal nanny, i.e. family friend.

this is what my dad told me about the process of bringing our nanny. it is called b2 visa. it provides them with legal status as well as work card that puts their employers responsible for providing them, nannies, with health insurance and obliges her, the nanny, to state her earnings and pay taxes. if employer gets her work card and health insurance (there is no other way around getting her a legal status in this country) it autmatically means he is paying her taxes as well thus providing for her retirement.

my nanny came for my college graduation and taught me spanish. i visit her in chile almost every summer and help her to fend off her idle nephews and nieces who expect her to pay for their frivolities. so sometimes people like her find more dignified treatment from people who are not her family.

i also call her every week and send her medicines. so why can't some people understand that there are people who view occupation of nannies as respected and deserving. as far as i can remember myself, she was wiring her earnings to her nephews leaving nothing to herself. she had her own room in our house in california. she had her circle of friends. in fact, she deserved so much respect from my parents, that she was the final authority when it came to the decisions about my clothing, going out with friends, driving a car, doing well in school.

why did you have to drive away from the forumvthe peson who did nothing bad? she was looking for a warm and caring person, not a slave.

beatriz

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2005, 08:28:

GIB Darrrrrrrrling I think you should keep away from the bottle jejej ;)

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calipro says on Oct 7, 2005, 08:32:

Mr. Hollywood The last thing that I want is progressive parenting. I want someone that will spoil my little boy rotten and teach my little girl the fine art of being a seductress. Hehehe !!!

Just kidding!

I want them to grow up with more than one few of the world. I have often said that Americans think that they have more control over their future than they actually do and that Colombians think that they have less control over than they really do. I want my kids to see life from two different angles.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2005, 08:40:

nannies and day care? Why not? After all, when a child gets hurt it's usually the parents that have done the hurting, not nannies or day-care people. People who work with children (professional, college-educated childcare workers and pre-school teachers) are very much involved with the upbringing of children and they don't do it for the love of money because the pay sucks, in every country.

Who has said that it's bad for a child to have social contacts outside the nuclear family? That a child would love his/her parents less for having a nanny or a day-care worker that the child feel safe and secure with? Children are generous of nature; it's us parents that sometimes get jealous of this shared love.

I employed several child-minders when my children were young and I don't really believe that they love me less for that. They knew all the time (all children know this) that the parents were there to stay, these other ladies were there to help them and take care of them when we were working.

I think the OP asked a legitimate question with all the best intentions and the welfare of the child in mind and certainly did not deserve to be met with open hostility by some posters.

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 7, 2005, 08:43:

Calipro I couldn't agree with you more. I think living overseas and travelling around a lot is the best thing for kids to realize that there's more to life than Coca Cola and the Mall of the Americas.

My kids have an inate understanding of the fact that there are different cultures and languages and that there are people of all sorts of different economic situations. I attribute a lot of that to living abroad and travelling a lot.

As far as a nanny, I think it's more important to look at that person as an individual and what they bring to the equation rather than as a Colombian or a Russian or a Swede. Those categories are just too broad to mean much.

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kernow62 says on Oct 7, 2005, 10:48:

OK beatriz, so why doesn't she just hire one of the thousands of legal Colombians already in the US? That would be a hell of a lot simpler than bringing one in, she can get them health benefits, great pay etc.

Since she specified middle-aged, the nanny importation is out of the question, but there are plenty of middle-aged Colombianas in the US legally.

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bebe_1 says on Oct 7, 2005, 13:15:

i am done here too OK beatriz, so why doesn't she just hire one of the thousands of legal Colombians already in the US? That would be a hell of a lot simpler than bringing one in, she can get them health benefits, great pay etc.

but she said she wanted to have somebody they knew. and why is it such a big deal that she wants to invite somebody from colombia?

when my parents looked for nanny, they did not want a baby sitter who sits and then goes. they wanted somebody to be a part of the family.

as for thousands of legal colombians, she may not know them. she may not want immigrants. she may not want them for many reasons and it is her choice. and we can respect this, right?

she writes about raising kid's awareness about colombia. who else if not someone who lives in colombia.

beatriz

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Crazy4Cali says on Oct 7, 2005, 13:40:

Nanny or not WRT: "why is it such a big deal that she wants to invite somebody from colombia?"

Wanting to invite someone is fine, but remember, there are thousands of other people in the U.S. who want to invite their friends and family to the U.S. and they all can't come. I mean if an american citizen has to wait 10 years or more to get a relative into the U.S. (someone not their spouse, anyway). Why should a Nanny get preferential treatment over an uncle, parent, or sibling?

kernow62 says on Oct 7, 2005, 16:34:

Beatriz, I didn't read that she wanted someone she knew in Colombia. I re-read the original post and didn't see it. I must have lost that part in all the bickering.

In that case, no she cannot bring a middle-aged nanny from Colombia, end of story. The age requirements are set in stone or so I have heard.

And as for not wanting an immigrant. Wouldn't the nanny she brings from Colombia be an immigrant? I am also quite certain she could find a Colombiana living in the US who could teach the child about Colombia, it isn't as though they forget the minute the plane lands.

She might have the right to want a nanny from Colombia who isn't already living here, but from a practical standpoint it isn't practical at all. Crazy4Cali summed it up very well in his last post.

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Caballista says on Oct 7, 2005, 22:08:

health care insurance in New York City cost around $300.00 a month. and 800.00 salary per week. Are you able to pay for it? this is a very ridiculous way to show money. If you do not have time for your children, do not have them. If you do not have enough money to hire somebody from USA, work from home, and take care of your children yourself.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 8, 2005, 02:15:

Caballista with all your respect. I think that was a bit harsh.

I think at the end of the day WE mothers can't win, if we hire a nanny? were are bad mother, why on earth we have kids if we can't looks after them.
If we dont' have nannies and stay at home with our kids then were lazy, and we should be out helping our husband instead of being at home doing "nothing", Hard to be a mum

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Sonny says on Oct 8, 2005, 06:17:

kat1 I must submit something to you so that this is not an argument any longer. In many parts of the world a nanny is widely accepted. In Texas for an example it is not. In the parts of the south I was raised in , also, not accepted.
Her questions in the first post were asking how this (person) would feel (IF) she came her, would she want to visit her family and how often, what would she HAVE to pay (someone from Colombia) Insurance for her and how much. WE all know that she cannot be added as a dependent because she is not one/ Middle aged? So many questions could have been answered just by asking herself these questions.
It was not an issue of mother hood but she stated she had not the time or money to visit her own family so the next question was how can you afford a person and pay them and let them visit their family if you don't have TIME or money to visit your own. Her next remark was "You mean get a Blonde Bombshell bla bla bla ? Are we EXPECTED TO PAY HER VACATION TRIPS? There was "NOT" an initial attack on her, rather she was asked how she would feel if it was her but her response was very defencive. Her attitude tells many of us about her stibility.(and she has kids)I did not have a Nanny as a youth but did have a woman come in and help my Mother out. There is a difference. There was never a mention that she knew this woman, that she lived on a farm, and so on. Any of that has nothing to do with anything.
I have been on this site a long time and you are not a person that would ask such questions without asking yourself first or making your question more clear. I did not tell her HOW to write rather just suggested she write a more clear question for more information then she got mad again. That is why most here respect you. Me for one.I am sure that you are a proper mum as you put it and your imput is always appreciated my this writer. Not all people with a Nanny are bad, they just seem to have little time for their kids. Kids remember this I promise. I did. Foster homes from 9 years to 16 years because my mother lost track of who her kids were and the importance of them being togather as a "FAMILY" Want a maid, hire a maid. Many work many different hours but expect to paid a proper wages. If she has TIES in Colombia and wants someone to teach her kids STRONG COLOMBIAN VALUES then why not let it begin with HER!!!!!!!. I would never hire anyone to teach my children good family values when I could do it myself.
As usual I respect your opinions and appreciate your comments.
I will not respond further to this "Nanny" post. Just wanted to clear this on my part is all.

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Lucia Rojas says on Oct 8, 2005, 07:20:

You have been so Busy fighting... that you have been calling sonnygul a her without noticing he is a He.

Honestly this one was pathethic. You just attacked him and nobody gave him any help whatsoever. Sonny you suck! Your opinions are yours, but you don't have to mess with others. Or are those the good values you're teaching you're child??????????? That tolerance that you have? You teaching it to them??????? That way of responding with offensive remarks???? Are you teaching it to them?????????????? You're way of not respecting people or their opinions??? Are you teaching them that too???? Maybe YOU SHOULD HIRE A NANNY!!!!!!!!! It would avoid your children to be as nasty as you were with sonnygul. Lovely children they must be if you have taught them all those values you have showed us.
Poor things

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kernow62 says on Oct 8, 2005, 07:59:

Lucia, in the US Sonya is a woman's name. :-)

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Lucia Rojas says on Oct 8, 2005, 08:23:

sorry yes kernow... sorry i missread something about playing with his wife... but I think It was someone else.... jejejejeje
chao

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CaryGrant says on Oct 8, 2005, 08:34:

Threads like this are why I lurk more than post.

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Sonny says on Oct 8, 2005, 08:43:

Lucia Rojas Your right, I taught them values but not from people like you. I taught them to stand on their onw two feet. To respect and be polite. I did not let an person like you teach them anything because you lack the teaching qualities necessary to do any thing other then shoot your mouth off..Sonya in Texas is a girls name.
When you get out of short pants and become a grown up you will know that. The only thing you did was tell me how stupid and uneducated you are by writing what you did. If I had a child like you I would hire a NANNY and let it do the job I was not able to do myself. Maybe you should graduate from sand box 1012 before you attempt to talk intelligent on a site where adults are.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 8, 2005, 08:47:

Suddenly, it all becomes clear "Not all people with a Nanny are bad, they just seem to have little time for their kids. Kids remember this I promise. I did. Foster homes from 9 years to 16 years because my mother lost track of who her kids were and the importance of them being togather as a "FAMILY"

Sonny, I'm sorry you had a bad mother and a sad experience like that, but let's be honest, do you really think it's because she had a nanny, or is it because of other disfunctions and the nanny just happened to be a symptom.

I've got a nanny and to be honest, I think it makes me a better, not a worse parent. She's not a substitute for my love or my wife's love for our children, nor are they "dumped" with her all the time while we're off doing other things. She's a valued extra adult who helps out with the enormous responsibilities of taking care of children.

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Crazy4Cali says on Oct 8, 2005, 08:56:

I hate to spoil a good playground brawl but the real problem in this particular case isn't one of "nannyhood" but one of immigration policy.

Whether you think a nanny is good, bad, or otherwise, doesn't change the fact that to [legally] import a specific middle-aged woman from another country is going to be virtually impossible.

But I confess, the details posted by the original poster do seem a bit inconsistent. Presumably she has enough money to a) pay for the immigration costs ($1-2,000 at least) and then b) pay monthly for a nanny with all the legal benefits (which will amount to $1,000 or more per month) but not enough to scoot down to Colombia in the past 10 years? I'm no accountant, but something doesn't add up.

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Lucia Rojas says on Oct 8, 2005, 10:24:

Did i touch a nerve Did I touch a nerve my dear sonny????? I must have for you to react with such agressiveness. But it is not surprising, for you have been agressive throughout the whole thread. I just hope you respect your children enough not to react the same way with them if they ever dare to have an opinion in front of you. ( they probably won't if they know how you react) When you teach them to stand up for themselves is this the way you do it? You consider your answer standing up for yourself?

I thought you were not going to post on this htread anymore....??? Couldn`t control the fighting impulse????

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 8, 2005, 11:22:

Oh yeah, well you're another one. And so's your mother.

BTW, what's this thread about anyway?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Gator says on Oct 8, 2005, 13:46:

It Is Just Like... the ENERGIZER BUNNY- it keeps going and going and going and going
and going and going and going and going and going and going.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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Sonny says on Oct 8, 2005, 14:26:

Lucia Rojas SOrry but you touched nothing that would bother me. Even you narrow minded PM to me a few minutes ago. It will take more then you know to bother me. Standing up to you is so simple but your simple so it is easy.

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Rubiazo says on Oct 8, 2005, 18:51:

OMFG what the hell did I just open this thread for? I seriously think some of you have gone right off the freakin deep end never to return!

Sonya, my only advice to you, like people said is that US Immigration is a 500 lb bitch on PMS. Meaning your chances of getting a visa for her are two: slim and none. The administration is dead set against any more Colombians coming here and making money, and they are doing everything in their power to enforce that. I would go with Kernow's suggestion. I don't know where you are but here in NYC the going rate is $400-450 a week. Most nannies I know of do it under the table and are not so concerned about health insurance etc. If you do provide health insurance, it is NOT going to be $300 a month, probably more like 3 times that. Caballista if you know any health insurance provider that is THAT cheap, we need to talk :) I have some friends who would be GLAD to pay that little even for the crappiest HMO!

The rest of you, this is hardly the place for a discussion on the morals of whether it's right to have a nanny. Why the hell did you even enter this thread, you obviously have nothing constructive to add. I have to ask again DONT ANY OF YOU PEOPLE READ THE RULES OF THE FORUM??? NO PERSONAL ATTACKS!! Once again, many of the worst offenders are people who NEVER contribute anything positive.

The sweeping generalizations i.e. how Colombia is not a 'progressive parenting' country are pretty disgusting too. I don't know how anybody could feel qualified to make that kind of a statement. Just which countries are 'progressive parenting' countries anyways?

I am definitely writing to the moderators about this thread.

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ccs2bog says on Nov 9, 2005, 14:12:

I’ve had a nanny from Colombia, now I’m 30 and I don’t think that my parents where lazy or didn’t cared. I love them very much and both of my parents still successfully professional in their fields.

I now have 2 daughters and two nannies one from Colombia and one from Venezuela. I and my wife are neither lazy nor irresponsible.

With kids is more important quality than time spent with them.

I think is a personal decision whether you hire a nanny or not, but is completely irresponsible to judge someone else for doing it.

Yes is true a Colombian nanny can be paid little money compared to what a Canadian, American or UK nanny would expect. But maybe for that girl from Colombia, Mexico, Venezuela or other developing country is good opportunity to save money and help the family she leaves behind. I think that a long as you don’t lie to them and treat them with respect and dignity that could be a win-win situation. In Bogotá or Caracas a nanny could earn less than US$ 200 a month, maybe she could be doing 5 times more for a year and come back with good money.

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