My Indigenous Roots

Rubiazo says on Oct 1, 2005, 02:47:

I think most countries are like that. The Mexicans we often see in other countries are more obviously indigenous blood. There are PLENTY of Caucasian Mexicans in Mexico who have nothing to do with that vibe, and act and think much the same way as your average person from the Cachaco.

Very very VERY few Cubans Dominicans or Puerto Ricans have any indigenous blood in them. Most of the Arawaks who were native to the Greater Antilles died shortly after the arrival of the Spaniards due to slavery, rape, and most of all, disease. Ironically, you hear people referring to Indian blood all the time that is just not there, because in their minds an Indio is better than a nigger!

In Brazil, there are not too many 100% Indians left anywhere, except for in a few isolated regions. As in the United States, the indigenous population intermingled with the African slaves to the point where the two populations became indistinguishable.

I also would highly dispute the notion that Ecuadorans are more accepting of their native heritage than their Colombian neighbors. This totally clashes with my personal experience.

In Bolivia 60% of residents do NOT speak Spanish as a mother language so obviously they are a very different breed (quite literally).

In Canada when I was growing up there were plenty of mestizos who NEVER EVER brought up their heritage. It was not a good idea to be looked upon as an Indian where I come from.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2005, 03:14:

thanks Desi. Well if it wasn't for that thread in the Spanish forum we wouldn't be talking about this. And I must admit it's quite interesting now, as I said in the Spanish forum when I was in school all this Indigenous names or me being descendant of an Indigenous tribe was Uncool, I want to be cool and being cool was to look and like everything American or European. There are Indians surnames like funeme, more in the interior or Colombia, but unfortunately as soon as you mention those surnames some people still think you are an Indian = no class. I cannot proclaim being 100% or 50%. I got a lot Spanish ancestor in my blood, Unfortunately they were worst than the Indians. Instead of saying La malicia Indigena , we should be saying La malicia Spanica jeje, Now that I am abroad I appreciate more that, the house we building here it's going to have an Indian name.When I went to Mexico I love the way people were very proud of their Indians roots, all the place have Indigenous names. and even cities, Oaxaca, Taxclo, michoacan etc. In Colombia we have very little some buildings are name with those names like Hotel Tequendama, El edificio Bochica, bachue. I love to see more places and business to have Indian names. But unfortunately in Colombia everything foreign is INN and all our Indian traditions is OUT and uncool. it doesn't bother me if somebody call me India now but when I little my Uncle used to call me India because of my long straight black hair, and I used to hate it. and even now some of my family sometimes they said y ese Indio que quiere. or ese es un indio.
I think there is more Indians faces and surnames in the Andean zone Specially form the Chibcha tribe, because they were one of the few Indigenous tribe that didn't fight, they submerge to the Conquistadores so they survive.

While The Caribes (coast of Colombia) they were really warriors and they fight to the end so that is why hardly there is any roots left from them.

engage brain before opening mouth

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2005, 03:35:

rubi, most Ecuadoreans that I've met have been here in Sweden and they have no problem with their indigenous ancestry. They don't stand out like a sore thumb in the crowd but are easily distiguishable by their low height, the color of their skin and hair and other racial features.

We all have been taught by now that Chileans, Argentinians and Uruguyans are just misplaced Europeans, but the rest of the LA nations have strong mestizo element and indigenous tribes that still treasure their own lifestyle and culture. Take a mestizo and remove him/her from the original settings and transplant him/her in a European country and they call themselves almost invariably "Indian".

Kat, the trend might be changing, even in Colombia. I'd certainly prefer the emphasis on indiginous, native culture than the ongoing anglo tendency. Around Cali the indigenous people didn't subjugate as easily as the chibchas to the conquistadores and very little of them remains. Certain place names still bring us the memory of the people that once inhabited in the area: los jamundíes (Jamundí, a small town near Cali), lilíes (Valle del Lilí, a southern neighborhood just outside the city limits). Hotel Petecuy also carries the name of a proud Jamundí warrior.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

kernow62 says on Oct 1, 2005, 04:54:

I think on one hand Colombia tries very hard to be a modern nation much in the same vein as the US, on the other hand I see a lot of indigenous culture too.

I see it in the handicrafts that are becoming more popular as decorating items in Colombian homes, the use of traditional hammocks, the use of sombreros and mochilas by the young people is an indicator that the more traditional side is coming to the fore. I think one can clearly see a marked change from one generation ago. Not to mention Bogotá which is a corruption of an indio word dropped the Santa Fe prefix.

We cannot change history, even though we may try to re-write history, the Spaniards are as much a part of the history of Colombia as are the slaves and the indios. An emphasis should be made to tell the true history of Colombia and embrace all the ethnic groups equally. Easier said than done.

aztec says on Oct 1, 2005, 05:04:

Desideria "I'd certainly prefer the emphasis on indiginous, native culture than the ongoing anglo tendency."

Why?

carolain11 says on Oct 1, 2005, 05:12:

around the area of santa marta, riohacha and valledupar almost everything has an indigenous name, and it doesn't seem like they're ashamed of it, on the contrary, guajiros in general are very proud of their wayuu ancestors. in santa marta you can find buildings and hotels named iroka, nabusimake, posihueica, maratea, zuana, zuca,tamacá, yuldama, tucurinca,irotama, karimar,mendihuaca, towns named gaira, minca, taganga, in atlantico there are towns called galerazamba, tubara, malambo, usiacuri, etc, etc. I do know that some people feel embarrassed of having indigenous roots, others don't care about it and some feel proud of it. In my case, I do not really know how identified I should feel with the colombian indigenous tribes, since my father is 100% arab, my mother is santandereana, but comes from a spanish background ( now don't misundertand i'm not saying this like being proud of not having any indian blood, i'm just exposing a fact), so i'm not sure if i have any indian roots at all, i probably must have, since one of my mother's aunts is dark-skinned, but one thing is for sure, i feel 100%colombian!!

ARMacleod says on Oct 1, 2005, 05:25:

Indigenous? Its a misnomer. Indigenously Scottish? No I am not and neither is anyone else for that matter. There is no such thing. It is a question of time or as they say "Auld lang syne".

Indigenous Colombian? I think not. If you go back some 15 K years or more, there was no one in America, north or south. Alaska was joined to the north European continent and peoples moved, from what is now Uelen in eastern Russia for whatever reason, east and subsequently south. These were the first settlers, we now call them Indians. The rest is common knowledge.

Who were these peoples? Where did they come from. Not, I am sure from two naked hippies and a talking snake in a lush garden somewhere. Charles Darwin came up with the only reasonable answer.

Desi, you and I are undoubtably related.

Once upon a time, when the ‘Indians' or whatever they were originally, were moving south. A princess of the family Schotti. (Not sure about the exact spelling) who lived between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers eloped with a local ‘N'er do well'

In the following thousands of years they made their way along the north Mediterranean countries leaving behind many of their offspring. Goths, Vandals. Basque, Bretons, (the Celtic tribes) to Cornwall and over to Ireland where they were known as the Clan Scotti. They were a troublesome lot and before long were ejected .

Landing in what was then Dalriada and is now Argyle in Alba. They declared "This is scotti land"

Prior to this Alba was colonised by peoples from the eastern mainland initially. Norway Sweden, Denmark and so on.

I am just as Colombian as anyone else if you go back far enough. Africa and SA were joined and Scotland, from the great glen south was also joined to SA. The northern part was joined to Canada.

There you have it my sisters Desi and Kat. I am now going to have a chat with my brother elmodefoque and my great uncle Gomezman. (Kerry was the throwback of an ilicit liaison between two other now extinct species.)

Pax vobiscum.

My stated facts, although interesting at times, are generally irrevelant.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

Rubiazo says on Oct 1, 2005, 09:54:

Indian Names From one end of the Western Hemisphere to the other
Kelowna
Okanagan
Calgary
Winnipeg (means 'muddy water')
Kenora
Wawa
Ottawa
Toronto (means 'the meeting place')
Quebec
Seattle
Chicago
Pemsacola (oldest city in NA)
Chatanooga
Tuscaloosa
Oklahoma
Mississippi
Manhattan (means 'many hills')

Just to name a few that is.
What I really think people need to do is forget the past and look to the future. Being proud of your Indian heritage is just as racist and silly as being proud of your Spanish heritage. It really doesn't mean shit anyways, you yourself as an invidiual are perfectly free to adopt whatever culture you feel suits you and throw away what you don't like about it.
The one exception is the goat tossing. That is just too cool a tradition for us to leave by the wayside!

Rubio- on his way to the vivero.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2005, 11:20:

I don't agree with you there Rubi, I think is important, well at least for me the heritage of my country and we should keep a bit from them,I dont think is racist at all we getting to much american or european stuff we're forgetting our roots. It's true what you said that we should take the good of every culture and ditch the rubbish, but we are not doing that aren't we? The Welsh are kepping them, the Catalans.so why not us. The Spanish brough good things to Colombia too I am not saying that they were all bad. But I would love to see more of our past involve in the future.
I think it would be racist discriminating our heritage that in some ways still exist.

engage brain before opening mouth

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2005, 11:23:

If anyone is interested This was how was the class system was clasified in those times
White = Spanish
Criollo= born in Colombia but Spanish Parents
Mestizo= Indio mix with Spanish
Indio= Indio
Mulato= white mix with black
Negro= negro
So I think many people in Colombia don't have Indian blood at all, their ancestor maybe were Criollos

engage brain before opening mouth

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2005, 15:19:

first of all, aztec why would I prefer mestizo Colombians to be proud of their own cultural identity instead of feeling like second-class citizens in their own native land? Isn't it obvious? Why would I like a guambiano "tayta" to give an indigenous name to his son instead of calling him Kennedy? You forced me to think there, aztec. I've always known that this is what I would prefer, but why?

Possible answers:
I would like all people to feel safe and comfortable with their own identity. To be able proudly to have a name that proclaims their cultural identity. To be able to freely use their own language in their own country without being singled out as being something "inferior".

I would love to stop the bastardization of the Colombian people, mestizo, black, mulatto and criollo confronted with an alien cultural influence (Anglo-American).

I believe that the mainstream Colombians have much to learn from these original inhabitants of the country.

I'm sure there are many more reasons.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2005, 15:30:

and Brother ARM, yes, if you go that far back, we're undoubtedly related. There's a great affinity between the folks of all northern lands and it's not only because of our common roots. The climate, the hardships and the struggle for survival have formed the national character of our people in similar ways. We're both clannish, territorial and stubborn.

My folks are from the eastern provinces of Finland; those that we had to cede to the Russian hordes invading our country during the WW2. I'm an indigenous Finn; it's not a misnomer. I'm a Carelian Finn, even though I was born in central Finland but that was just an accident of the Fate. But then again, how many of us can claim deep roots in one place, the kind that go centuries or a thousand year back?
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

kernow62 says on Oct 1, 2005, 15:35:

Desi, your last comment brings something that happened last week to mind.

I was here in Orlando, working at Wycliffe Bible Translators and was introduced to two translators and their Colombian indio helpers. Obviously the two Colombians were indio, neither one was 5 feet tall and their features to any person would not allow them to hide their heritage.

I chatted with them for a few minutes and learned the language they had just finished translating the New Testament into was called "cacua". I then asked their names and was told Sam Lopez Perez and Emilio Lopez. I don't know why I was expecting a non-Spanish surname.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2005, 15:45:

kernow, I'm no specialist in this field but I believe that most indigenous people in Colombia are basically bilingual and I have a reason to believe that they also have double names; one in Spanish and one in their own language that is only used among their own people. The children are baptized with a Spanish name and learn Spanish first in school. They grow up keeping these two cultural spheres quite apart. To anybody not of their own tribe they would normally introduce themselves by their Spanish name.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Monpirri says on Oct 1, 2005, 16:04:

My Indigenous Roots Colombians with a low self-esteem are the ones who love to play down their indigenous roots.
We should definitely be proud of our heritage or indigenous background. Let’s learn from the USA. They are proud of their indigenous people, although it was not like that many years ago, but the future is what it counts!
I guess Colombia is just catching up about given credit and respect to our Indians?
In USA many cities and states have American Indian names. Americans have named one of their helicopters “Apache� after the Apache Indians, "Cherokee Jeep" for Cherokee tribe and "Navajo" software. They named their popular baseball teams, "Yankees" and "Indians" and the "Brave" and much more.

In Colombia, we have several states, cities, rivers with Indigenous names, I just found out about this, thanks to the input from Kat1 and Desideria.
Bogota, Burcaramanga, Cucuta, Cundinamarca...And so forth.
http://www.oei.org.co/sii/entrega20/art03.htm
Quindio http://www.quindio.gov.co/historia.htm
I am pretty sure if we continue we this research we will find out more interesting stuff about Colombia

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 1, 2005, 16:57:

"dale tu mano al indio" Dale tu mano al indio

Daniel Viglietti





Dale tu mano al indio.

Dale, que te hará bien:

Encontraras el camino

Como ayer yo lo encontré.

Dale tu mano al indio.

Dale, que te hará bien:

Te mojara el sudor santo

De la lucha y el deber.

La piel del indio te enseñará

Todas las sendas que habrás de andar.

Mano de cobre te ha de mostrar

Toda la sangre que has de dejar.



Dale tu mano al indio.

Dale, que te hará bien:

Encontraras el camino

Como ayer yo lo encontré.

Es el tiempo del cobre.

Mestizo, grito y fusil.

Si no se abren las puertas

El pueblo las sabe abrir.

América esta gritando

Y el siglo se vuelve azul.

Pampas, rios y montañas

Liberan su propia luz.

La copla no quiere dueños.

Patrones no mas mandar

La guitarra americana

Peleando aprendió a cantar!


Saludos,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Monpirri says on Oct 1, 2005, 17:15:

Epa jee, que bonita letra Es esto una cancion bailable o sola mente para entonar la mente.


Monpirri

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

kernow62 says on Oct 1, 2005, 17:20:

Yes, but those indian names used for team names and products is a bone of contention with many. I mean what good does it do the tribe, do they get a kickback from every Jeep Cherokee sold?

On the other hand the Florida State Seminoles does give to the Seminole nation, not that they need any help what with their tax benefits, casinos and tobacco sales. When I resided in Hollywood FL we had to take out insurance on our property in case the Seminoles wanted it back!

Caballista says on Oct 1, 2005, 17:55:

mi aporte al tema y plena de mi origen indigena.

TEXTO Nº 1
Hubo un tiempo en el que todo era bueno. Un tiempo feliz en el que nuestros dioses velaban por nosotros. No había enfermedad entonces, no había pecado entonces, no había dolores de huesos, no había fiebres, no había viruela, no había ardor de pecho, no había enflaquecimiento. Sanos vivíamos. Nuestros cuerpos estaban entonces rectamente erguidos. Pero ese tiempo acabó, desde que ellos llegaron con su odio pestilente y su nuevo dios y sus horrorosos perros cazadores, sus sanguinarios perros de guerra de ojos extrañamente amarillos, sus perros asesinos. Bajaron de sus barcos de hierro: sus cuerpos envueltos por todas partes y sus caras blancas y el cabello amarillo y la ambición y el engaño y la traición y nuestro dolor de siglos reflejado en sus ojos inquietos nada quedó en pie, todo lo arrasaron, lo quemaron, lo aplastaron, lo torturaron, lo mataron. Cincuenta y seis millones de hermanos indios esperan desde su oscura muerte, desde su espantoso genocidio, que la pequeña luz que aún arde como ejemplo de lo que fueron algunas de las grandes culturas del mundo, se propague y arda en una llama enorme y alumbre por fin nuestra verdadera identidad, y de ser así que se sepa la verdad, la terrible verdad de cómo mataron y esclavizaron a un continente entero para saquear la plata y el oro y la tierra. De cómo nos quitaron hasta las lenguas, el idioma y cambiaron nuestros dioses atemorizándonos con horribles castigos, como si pudiera haber castigo mayor que el de haberlos confundido con nuestros propios dioses y dejado que entraran en nuestra casa y templos y valles y montañas. Pero no nos han vencido, hoy, al igual que ayer todavía peleamos por nuestra libertad.

PLATICAS DE LOS SABIOS Y ANCIANOS (NAHUAXL-HUAHATLACOLLI)
TEN CUIDADO DE LAS COSAS DE LA TIERRA. HAZ ALGO. CORTA LEÑA. LABRA LA TIERRA. PLANTA NOPALES. PLANTA MAGUEYES. TENDR�S QUE COMER. QUE BEBER, QUE VESTIR. CON ESO ESTAR�S EN PIE. SER�S VERDADERO. CON ESO ANDAR�S, CON ESO SE HABLAR� DE TI. SE TE ALABAR�, CON ESO TE DAR�S A CONOCER... SER�S VERDADERO... SER�S VERDADERO... SER�S VERDADERO...

VEINTE MIL AÑOS PATRIA PATRIA, VEINTE MIL AÑOS PATRIA. MADRE, POR LA VIDA Y LA MUERTE SANGRAS POR LA CARNE Y EL ALMA. POR EL CIELO Y EL MAR EL AZÚCAR, LA SAL. POR EL INDIO QUE ESPERA CON LA PIEL RESECA LA RESURRECCIÓN. POR EL AVE QUE VA DESDE EL NORTE HACIA EL SUR DESAFIANDO LOS VIENTOS LOS HELADOS ALIENTOS DE LA TEMPESTAD CON EL PICO APUNTANDO CON LAS ALAS VOLANDO CON LOS SUEÑOS PUJANDO HACIA LA LIBERTAD AQU� LOS INOCENTES FUERON DESTERRADOS A LA NEGRA FOSA DE LA ETERNIDAD. AQU� LOS TORTURADOS, LOS DESARRAIGADOS CLAMAN TODAV�A POR SU ANSIADA PAZ. Y CADA AÑO QUE PASA EL 12 DE OCTUBRE CON LA VOZ DOLIDA VUELVEN A CANTAR VUELVEN A CANTAR HACIA LA LIBERTAD.

Caballista says on Oct 1, 2005, 17:59:

Texto N'7 TEXTO N'7 (Taky Ongoy)

Casi cinco siglos de destrucción sistemática y de obliteración cultural han contribuido a la desaparición de tumbas, centros religiosos, poblados y también a la extinción de las artes. No hay excusa para quienes pudieron desde sus lugares tratar de frenar ese proceso de involución cultural, no hay excusa porque vastas generaciones hemos crecido en la equivocada creencia que nuestros indios eran seres bárbaros y sin inteligencia alguna. Pero la verdad aflora siempre y allí está para reafirmar su alto valor estético algunas muestras del arte cerámico, de la escultura en piedra y los tejidos precolombinos que desde el silencio nos golpean con su callada y misteriosa belleza. ¿Qué hubiéramos sido, si hubiéramos podido ser en toda nuestra plenitud? Podemos todavía, sin embargo, tratar de reconstruir desde las tinieblas la historia de los pueblos de los que ni siquiera sus huesos han sido respetados.

Rubiazo says on Oct 1, 2005, 18:13:

I don't think much of Welsh and Catalan either. As a matter of fact, I think nationalism is pretty silly no matter WHAT the nationality.
I am about the furthest thing away from a white supremacist, but quite frankly, not all of these indigenous cultures have much to offer. Some do, some just don't, simple.
You can get as romantic as you want about all those civilizations, facts are most of those societies were miserable! And they were pretty damn far from being disease-free in most cases. Many of them had average life expectancy under 30. Even the 'mighty' and 'civilized' Inca by many accounts had horrible lives of toil and malnutrition. The Inca didn't do their naming ceremony until a kid reached 5 years of age, because it just wasnt worth it before then. Think on that.

In my mind a culture can't be a 'great culture' if it is so weak, the first few thousand warriors from another culture to arrive on its shores can almost completely wipe it off the face of the planet.

kernow62 says on Oct 1, 2005, 19:52:

Perhaps Rubiazo, but the same could be said of other cultures at the same time.

I come from an area where longevity is renowned, but you only had a chance if you made it through childhood, so many didn't make it. A life of toil would have been easy for my European ancestors.

So you equate culture with weapons technology? Damn the US must be one cultured society.

Monpirri says on Oct 1, 2005, 19:52:

Every previous civilization have contributed… Previous civilizations from the past; the white man, and yes, the indigenous cultures have contributed a lot to make our life easier.
Scientists and physicians have implemented in today's medicine, plants and herbs that were used many years ago by indigenous cultures. On the other hand, the white man's culture, for example the Romans gave us the barbaric spectacles for entertainment, I guess in today’s society the closes to that sport will be boxing.
No one, the white man or the indian were safe from unknown diseases many thousand years ago. They all had a very short life expectancy back them, except that the indians were embraced by Mother Nature, they had all medicine in the world with them and they knew how to used it, and they were blessed for not being greedy as the white civilization.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

kernow62 says on Oct 1, 2005, 20:15:

monpirri1 I think you are romanticising a bit. "except that the indians were embraced by Mother Nature, they had all medicine in the world with them and they knew how to used it, and they were blessed for not being greedy as the white civilization."

Firstly: "white" people thousands of years ago were just as atuned to the natural world.

Secondly: Indians also used to attack other tribes, certainly this was greed of a different sort perhaps, but to the victors the spoils were likely to have befallen along with women and perhaps slaves. However it is very easy to write our own version of history to suit our ideal. By the way who wrote about these indian civilisations? Usually romantic Victorian writers, much of which was the work of applying European Victorian ideals on the past. How much can we believe or know to be fact.

An example might be the Victorian view of druids in Britain, how much is pure fabrication. Sure the Romans wrote about them, but their version of history suited the Roman palate and was thus skewed to favour their view of civilisation casting druids in a heathen light. The Victorians took this as a basis for their histories.

calipro says on Oct 1, 2005, 20:48:

Just a few thoughts on the subject....... I don’t think that I have ever personally met a Colombian that claimed to be an Indian and I think that’s why I get along with them so well.

I cringe when someone tells me that they are an Indian here in the States because it usually means that they are a victim of society and might want to exact revenge on you at any moment.

I can’t tell you how many bar fights I have gotten into with a drunken Indian. I don’t know maybe it was because in the 80’s I had hair half way down my back. But if there was an Indian in the bar he would usually send a shot of whiskey over to me which usually meant the beginning of the end of a fun night on the town because then they will want to talk to you and if you are me they will want to fight you before the night is over.

I don’t think American Indians have much of a sense of humor unlike the only Colombian Indian I know of (Elmo).

I remember one Indian coming over to me at the bar and introducing himself. He says “Hey! My name is Hawk.� I look him in the eye and tell him that is a hell of coincidence because my name is Chicken Hawk. Well I started to tell him how my drunk of a dad named me after that little chicken hawk that always wanted to fight in that cartoon foghorn leghorn or whatever it was called.

Before I could even finish the story the Indian wants to take me out in the parking lot to fight.

I’ll never forget that Indian. He took his shirt off and he so many scars on his chest from knife fights that I asked he if his mother gave him sharp knives to play with as a small child. Hehehe!

He didn’t think it was funny. It’s a good thing he forgot to bring his knives with him or I might not be around to clue you guys in about Indians.

THE ARE ALL CRAZY !!!

The only jokes they like are Indian jokes (I wish I knew some). The only people they really like are other Indians. They are almost completely devoid of any Christian teachings, which is probably why that have no sense of morals or fair play.

I hate to admit it but the only fight that I ever ran away from was with a 300 plus pound Pima Indian and I had a five and a half inch buck knife in my pocket. I looked at him and then I looked at my knife. He was so damn big and fat that I was sure that if I buried that knife in his chest I would not have hit a single vital organ.

I ran and I ran like hell. And that’s the advice that I’m giving the rest of you white boys out there. Stay the hell away from Indians if you know what’s good for you.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 2, 2005, 01:50:

monpirri, "Canción para mi America" sung by Mercedes Sosa is not for dancing. It's for marching and waving a flag and claiming for reforma agraria, revindication of the Indigenous peoples of the Americas and fuera los imperialistas gringos de nuestras tierras; de los años 70.

Cheers,
Desi

(Another song in the same genre would be "Ricardo Semillas" , originally by the Bolivian group Nueva Savia, as sung by Ana y Jaime.)

Ricardo bajo a la aldea estrenando amaneceres
E7 Am
silvando canciones frescas sin olvidar sus quehaceres
Dm G7 Dm G7 C
la aldea ese dia nuevo salio el sol muy en silencio
Dm G7 Dm G7 C
y dejo que el aire tibio regara bien los sucesos
Am G F E7
ahy ahy ahy ahy
Am
regara bien los sucesos
Am G F E7
ahy ahy ahy ahy
Am F F G Am...
regara bien los sucesos...


1) Ricardo llamo a los hombres y les hablo con despacio
palabras verde esperanza tenidas de sal y selva
les dijo la vida es nuestra tambien es nuestra la tierra
y las palabras que traigo son semillas tambien nuestras
ahy ahy ahy ahy
son semillas tambien nuestras
ahy ahy ahy ahy
son semillas tambien nuestras...


Am G F E7
2) La aldea ese dia nuevo, amarro el sol al recuerdo
Am G F E7
y sintio que el aire tibio, se llenaba de sucesos.


1) Un disparo corto al viento con sed de sangre emboscada
y Ricardo doblo el cuerpo sin terminar la palabra
Ricardo murio ese dia heramano de hombre y semilla
murio mirando la vida que entre sus manos moria...
ahy ahy ahy ahy
que entre sus manos moria
ahy ahy ahy ahy
Ricardo murio ese dia.

1) Ricardo murio ese dia haciendo bien sus quehaceres
cayo sembrando semillas de nuevos amaneceres
la vida es nuestra muy nuestra tambien es nuestra la tierra
y las palabras que traigo son semillas tambien nuestras
ahy ahy ahy ahy
son semillas tambien nuestras
ahy ahy ahy ahy
son semillas tambien nuestras...

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 2, 2005, 03:47:

Calipro that was a violent Indian!!! jejej
In Colombia you won't find anybody to tell you, Hey!!! my ancestor were INDIANS,We associate indias of being Dirty,dumb,ugly that's why. but funny enough some of them don't have to said it they have the Indian faces written all over them. I have seen many Pict of pbh members Girlfriends,wives and I can tell you, who has Indian blood there. Actually some of the girls on your past pictures had the Indian blood there. and some member here you can see it too. This is not a bad thing but why denied it when you got it.

Rubbiazo I agree that exaggerated nationalism I think is bad, but changing the note here,we still have Indians in Colombia look at the Koguis, they come to the city just for the things they need and then return to the mountains for months, Have you seen their houses, they are still chozas, the way they dress is different, they are not warriors, they tiny I think 4'6" or 7, and they said that the un-civilized are us, because they don't abandon their kids, they don't let their women go in to prostitution, and they don't kill each other. But pity that the guerrillas are killing them, their habitat, and the government doesn't help them much. And there many like that on the amazons.

I think the more we stay away from our country the more we appreciated and start to value more our traditions and culture. No to be confuse with nationalims

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 2, 2005, 03:48:

;)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 3, 2005, 09:04:

kat, :)

(I wanted to comment on that post too but am glad you were first to task) So true.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Rubiazo says on Oct 3, 2005, 09:43:

I wouldn't want to live in tierra caliente Without having some Indian or African blood. If you're 100% white, that sun is a BITCH on you!

Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 3, 2005, 10:00:

The very traits All the traits that are held up as the ones that make Colombian women are pretty much the result of indigenous or African blood. Where else does the beautiful strait and thick black hair come from? The great butts? Those are not Spanish traits.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 3, 2005, 10:11:

and the very same can be applied to Colombian men too: in the fortunate cases when the indigenous/african/european mixture really produces some of the most handsome men on this planet: copper-hued skin, high cheekbones, narrow face with a straight nose and in striking contrast sea-green eyes.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

elmodefoque says on Oct 3, 2005, 10:35:

I’m not gonna sit here and romanticize my pure Indian blood, yes, colombians are right, a lotta us are some real dirty, dumb and ugly modefoques, but let me tell you, I can’t imagine not being who I am.
When I was a kid, sure I stunk like crap, but that’s because I only bathe every 4 or 5 months whether I need it or not. After six years of age I no longer had a mother (she left with a bus driver)and I was left to fend for myself and of course keeping clean was not a top priority.
I was not allowed in Colombians public school because I did not pass what was to most Colombians a very simple IQ test like drawing a box. WTF was a box? In my Indian village I never saw a box, we put everything in mochilas. Ok, maybe I did not know the answer to one plus one, but I wanna see one of those Colombian kids chase down a full grown 5 feet long iguana. I used to do that when I was only 4 years old, with out getting a scratch.
To Colombian middle class I was an ugly scary looking Indio but in my eyes their kids were ugly too, fat with short hair parted to the side, over protected little modefoques afraid of their own shadow. They got scared and ran to the maid every time they saw me approaching them with my long dirty hair; I had an entire city of lice living in my head.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Oct 3, 2005, 11:01:

Mr Holliwood depend what tribe were their ancestor, if you they were decendant of the Chibcha or muisca you will find many of the decendant have prominent cheeks and a bit of chinese eyes, The Caribes were one of the most good looking Tribes but they used to deforme their faces to look more scary. and we have the motilones in the area of Bucaramanga they were tall and quite white, that's why many people in that area is white and they think is because of the Spanish, but their faces have the characteristics of the Indians.

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aztec says on Oct 3, 2005, 17:54:

Desideria... ...thanks for the thoughtful response. For what it is worth, I believe you provide intellectual answers to most posts. Almost like an Oxford round table. Sococratatic if you will. Of all the people on this Guide you are the one I would like to sit down with and have a free unencumbered discussion.

Monpirri says on Oct 9, 2005, 16:51:

Un niñito indio le pregunta a su padre.. Recibí este mensaje ayer, que coincidencia, espero que les guste.


Un niñito indio le pregunta a su padre, el gran jefe y chamán de la tribu: Papá, ¿por qué nosotros los indios tenemos todos largos nombres y en cambio los blancos los tienen más cortos? Bill, Tex o Sam, por ejemplo?
El padre responde: Mira, hijo: nuestros nombres representan un símbolo y eso es poesía para nuestra cultura. No hacemos como los blancos que viven todos juntos y tienen nombres repetidos. Además, eso es parte de nuestra idiosincrasia que, a pesar de todo, aún sobrevive. Fíjate, por ejemplo, en tu hermana, que se llama "Pequeña Luna Titilante sobre el Lago" porque cuando ella llegó a este mundo era de noche y había una hermosa luna llena reflejada en el lago. Tienes también a tu hermano, "Gran Caballo Blanco de las Praderas", Porque fue pedido a los dioses a lomo de uno de esos caballos que recorren las praderas de estas tierras y son el símbolo de la capacidad de vivir y de la fuerza que tiene nuestro pueblo. Es todo muy simple y fácil de entender.
¿Tienes otras preguntas mi "Pequeño Condón Defectuoso Made in China?"

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