My First Colombian Experience in Bogota, Cucuta, and Villa Del Rosario

englishsettler says on May 16, 2007, 15:40:

i admire your frankness. Good review. Dont let the girl bother you.......not all of them are like that, although most are lol.

Mr. Hollywood says on May 16, 2007, 16:06:

What I'm curious about Is what a poor girl from Colombia was doing in St. Martin?

Tinto (Moderator) says on May 16, 2007, 16:54:

Glad you had a (mostly) good time and saw new and interesting things.



FYI, the gasoline cans you saw along the side of the road probably contained gas that was smuggled from Venezuela. In Venezuela it sells for some crazy subsidized price like ten cents a liter. Nice little arbitrage opportunity.

Monpirri says on May 16, 2007, 18:36:

You sound like a brave and outgoing traveler. It's good to learn that you had a good time in Colombia despite that you are a gringo and that the girl was not to your expectations?

Many Colombian women nowadays have several candidates to choose from online or from the list of cyber friends they have built over the months from chat sections on the Internet. Just like guys do also!
They are very careful when it comes to choosing a long term candidate and they are VERY jealous!
I think that when you pulled your laptop to do your work, she thought you had someone else in mind, so she decided to continue the chat sections with her friends or the other candidates who have been waiting online. Both of you had a mutual distrust based on past dating experiences or either both had concrete expectations of the future or the outcome… She read you intentions or the motives of your visit to Colombia and you read her intentions or her goals? You, on the other hand, had a preconceived idea the way the relationship was going to turn out, and your idea was based on biased stories shared by pbh members who had fiasco encounters with a woman in Colombia.

My two cents advise, On your next visit, do not read the stories posted on pbh by members who have failed in a relationship because their fiasco personal stories are going to affect your expectations and do not use your laptop while trying to conquer a pretty colombiana.

Buen Apetito, enjoy la cocina colombiana,

Monpirri

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Proud_Canadian says on May 16, 2007, 19:23:

no your wrong... I had full intentions of developing a relationship with her, and trying to make her happy. She on the other hand, was not 100% into me from the beginning. Your absoloutely right when you say she had different candidates, and probably wants to choose the right one, but as for me being jaded, or biased....not true. I am 100% completely open minded, and unfortunately, I was probably a little too trusting. I thought what she was telling me was the truth, when in actuality she was telling other guys the SAME THING, right in front of my eyes.

She did not feel threatened by my laptop. She saw I was not online talking with girls, and I was going work, but it opened the door for her to get on hers as well.

The gas was not necessarily smuggled, as ALL the gas stations were like this!

Lostgringo says on May 16, 2007, 19:44:

Great Story To often on here you hear stories about guys who have went through your ordeal and still believe the Colombiana loves only them. You on the other hand seem to have had your eyes wide open and your head screwed on straight. In my opinion what you lost in your love affair you gained immensely in experience. You saw how many poor Colombians suffer with no help from their government. I wonder if or how many of these poor Colombians are Rebel sympathizers? What were their views on Colombia and their President? What you experienced in your little time in Colombia many people never experience in a lifetime. I am glad to hear a fellow Canadian had the presence of mind to visit Colombia and see this country for himself. And happy again that you are not going away with a sour taste in your mouth about this great country. If you ever come to Medellin email me and I will try and introduce to some really nice women where live. There is good and bad here just like in Canada. I cannot take exception at women here in Colombia who are fortunate to have good looks and will trade their looks at a chance for a better life in North America and so on. You obviously will not be her ticket out of Colombia.

Thanks for post it was a great read.


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Lucas Freley says on May 16, 2007, 20:34:

Long distance relationships are... long distance relationships. I think this was the problem. Is nothing to do with the fact of your girlfriend is colombian. I used to have a few stories with girls from Germany and Spain via Internet. And I know lot of people who are involved with girls/guys from other countries...and trust me, in the 90 % it doesn't work. Is simple: the distance kills the love and passion. You can't know a person sending mails or via MSN. The only way to know someone is the human touch.

Thanks for share your travel with us. I ever said that travel is a very fast lesson of life. Tell me, what about the canadian women ? looks so nice like Avril lavigne ?

Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati)

Buongone says on May 16, 2007, 21:01:

Poor ?? But with a laptop? What gives there?

elreydelostrolls says on May 16, 2007, 21:35:

Good post setting the record straight on how the Colombianas play the gringos. Follow Morph's example and just bang 'em in the stabbin' cabin. The classic hump and dump.

miamimike says on May 16, 2007, 22:11:

Best of All You didn't Send The Monthly Remittance Checks or Moneygrams via Western Union to pay for the "Nurse" for the sick Grandmother or Mother or whatever else the "Need" of the month may be. This is a common ploy and in actuality the money is used for Credit Card Payments or maintaining the Colombian Novio. Nice Story,,,Enjoyed it,,,

Rubito-can't blame the guy for staying at a Hotel! I think this was smart as he had privacy and the whole family wasn't watching his every move.

Proud Canadian-to do a fast Fact check on the next woman's intentions you meet, ask her how she would feel if You MOVED to Colombia instead of her living in Canada if you and her were ever to get married,,,her answer to this will speak Volumes on her true motives, believe you me,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

lpdiver says on May 16, 2007, 23:24:

You never know... But,

I worked in Aruba for a long time and the "working girls" mostly come from Colombia and can only stay ninety days. Then they have to leave for a year. There is a circuit they follow and I believe St. Martin in part of the rotation.

I am not saying she was a "working girl". It is a possibility.

Also I have used Miami Mikes suggestion of falling head over heels in love with Colombia and never wanting to live in the USA again. The true colors do surface...and quickly!

t

"cook some rice!"

miamimike says on May 17, 2007, 01:26:

LPDiver When I worked in the Merchant Marine The Vessels used to stop in the port known as Balboa before we transited the Panama Canal on the Pacific entrance and the "Girls" who worked at Gloria's Casa in this port city were all from Colombia also. I have to question how that girl PC met was able to acquire that Laptop Computer when there wasn't running water in the Casa,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

Cerealkiller says on May 17, 2007, 03:46:

I have been wondering the same thing many of you guys have asked. How does a poor girl end up in St Maarten, has a laptop, and presumably speaks ok English?
Proud Canadian, I am glad to hear you had an ok time in Colombia. I am sorry your gf did not turn out to be what you expected, but to be fair, there are women like that all over the world. Many guys on this forum have gotten screwed over by Colombianas, other just screw colombianas, but there are also many who can tell you that their Colombian wives-Gfs are simply wonderful. Good luck next time.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

scotty says on May 17, 2007, 03:57:

easy decision remember the good memories and interesting places you visited and then kick the girl to the curb. move on, try Cali.

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Brians says on May 17, 2007, 04:33:

Good Post and proper percautions taken however just to share my experience. I also met my wife on vacation. When I first went to visit her in Medellin I didn't even have PBH as a reference. My wife comes from a good family and I always stayed in a hotel until we were married. On my first trip I actually stayed with my friends family in Medellin. They were suspicious of my wife and wanted to know her. Too many bad stories and they prepared me mentally with the different horror stories. I tried to put them out of my mind and not judge her. Well on the first day she picks me up at the airport and takes me to visit her house. Beautiful place in Poblado. That night we are preparing to go out when she gets a phone call while getting ready. Her sister answers the phone and to my surprise the other person was speaking english. Her sister can't really speak english so I take the phone while her sister gets her to come down from upstairs. My warning lights are flashing. Anyway after a short conversation with the guy asking for my future wife he hangs up saying have her call me. I immediately confront my future wife. She swears up and down that he is a friend of her aunt in NY. Now I really like htis girl and feel like I was duped and tell her I am pretty much done. She is sad but still takes me around Medellin all weekend. In the end I really believe that maybe I was jumoing to conclusions and nobody is this good an actress. She just is so sincere and sweet. At the end of the weekend my friends family is telling me how good a girl she is etc.. I did not tell them about phone call. I decide to visit again and again and again. Well over time I realize this guy is really just a friend of her aunt in NY. I now know the guy very well and he is married and was just a friend of the family. Now if I had not looked past this I would have missed the best thing that ever happened to me. We have been married for over 2 years and have not even had a fight. She is the sweetest and most devoted woman I know and her family is closer to my than my own. She has changed my life and to think I almost just walked out the door because my defenses were up based on stories I had heard. Now if I had been on PBH at the time I probably would have just walked with all the stories floating around here. Now people do have to be careful as I now have seen a lot of the bad woman in Colombia. However sometimes things are not what they seem. I don't disagree with Canada's decision all I am doing is making another point.

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 05:01:

If I told you guys once I told you a million FOKIN times, be very wary of these colombianas.
How do I know if the ColombianA is really into me and not just going after my money and passport.
VERY,VERY SIMPLE!!!!!
But before I address that issue let me learn you another thing.
Don’t be so happy about getting treated like royalty, many Colombian parents want and prey for their daughters to land a gringo. You will be their savior.
Guess who’s gonna pay the bill for her fokin little cousin’s broken leg? YOU!!
Guess who’s gonna pay for her brother’s school bill? YOU!!!
Guess who’s gonna pay to have her father’s crappy old motorcycle fix? Look in the mirror modefoque.
Now you wonder why they treated your average un assuming ass like a prince?
Ask any of these Colombian ladies here how their parents treated her new gringo boyfriend? Like a foking Messiah.
Now getting back to my simple answer:
As soon as you see her in the fokin airport with her 300 family members and you like what you see, take her ass immediately to the nearest fokin motel. Fok her family, they wont mind!!
If she doesn’t start off by giving you the best head you ever had and then riding your milky white ass like a wild bronco after months talking about it, then dump her!!!
Since most women over there aint got no money, nearly all shows their love thru sex. If she starts giving you all kinds of excuses for not having sex is because she’s screwing her broke ass Colombian boyfriend all over her little town with the fokin money you been sending.
Let me tell you another thing, she will be disappointed with you physically once she sees your pink pasty white ass and realizes you don’t look anything like Brat fokin Pitt.
All colombianas will be repulsed but MOST will end up marrying your ass anyway, so not to disappoint her family.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

JMCana says on May 17, 2007, 05:07:

Good story and shows a side Proud Canadian - Good story thanks for sharing. As mentioned by others, not all of Colombia is that way. I remember once taking a photo of a guy delivering milk fresh from the cow and in milk cans. This was in my small town. My now sister-in-law got upset. Knowing that I write for American publications she said to me, "No, you can't send that and write about it. Americans will think that we all get our milk that way."

When I researched for an article on international dating I found that you actually have a 15% or less chance of finding someone worthy of marriage. However, when you do find them, it seems (unless they are Russian) that you have a very good chance of a happy marriage. Most of the happy couples I interviewed said that honesty was the biggest factor. The advise of many was that if you catch the other person telling you just one lie, then it is time to move on. The happy couple also give the long distance relation a big part of the credit for their happiness as it makes them really discuss things and learn about each other for several months.

Proud Canadian - there are many beautiful and intelligent women in Colombia. Do not let that one influence your thoughts of all Colombian women.

By the way, how old are you if you do not mind me asking? I hear different experiences based upon different ages.

kalder says on May 17, 2007, 05:15:

Good post Canadian.BTW: Good post Canadian.

BTW: Elmo's point about Colombianas finding gringos physically repulsive is a point worth any of us taking on board.

Before I became a typical married slob in the suburbs, I took immense care of myself bodywise. I looked obviously much fitter than 90% of my peers. And it didn't do me any harm at all in Colombia. None whatsoever.

Before you take that trip down to Colombia, factor in some gym, running and swimming as part of your planning. You'll, as is axiomatic, look and feel better. You may not go in as Brad Pitt, but you won't be Shrek either.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 05:22:

edited version If I told you guys once I told you a million FOKIN times, be very wary of these colombianas.
How do I know if the ColombianA is really into me and not just going after my money and passport.
VERY,VERY SIMPLE!!!!!
But before I address that issue let me learn you another thing.
Don’t be so happy about getting treated like royalty, many Colombian parents want and prey for their daughters to land a gringo. You will be their savior.
Guess who’s gonna pay the bill for her fokin little cousin’s broken leg? YOU!!
Guess who’s gonna pay for her brother’s school bill? YOU!!!
Guess who’s gonna pay to have her father’s crappy old motorcycle fix? Look in the mirror modefoque.
Now you wonder why they treated your average un assuming ass like a prince?
Ask any of these Colombian ladies here how their parents treated her new gringo boyfriend? Like a foking Messiah.
Now getting back to my simple answer:
As soon as you see her in the fokin airport with her 300 VERY HAPPY family members and you like what you see, take her ass immediately to the nearest fokin motel. Fok her family, they wont mind!!
If she doesn’t start off by giving you the best head you ever had and then riding your milky white ass like a wild bronco after months talking about it, then dump her!!!
Since most women over there aint got no money, nearly all shows their love thru sex. If she starts giving you all kinds of excuses for not having sex is because she’s screwing her broke ass Colombian boyfriend all over her little town with the fokin money you been sending.
Let me tell you another thing, she will be disappointed with you physically once she sees your pink pasty white ass and realizes you don’t look anything like Brat fokin Pitt.
All colombianas will be repulsed but MOST will end up marrying your ass anyway, so not to disappoint her family.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Wastelandlive says on May 17, 2007, 05:22:

Never underestimate their capacity for stupidity. "So my best guess, is she wanted to marry me, and would say anything she thought I wanted to hear, so she could get a passport. Why she played her cards the way she did I do not know. Had she "you know what"'d the shieet outta me, and ignored her other bf's for the one week, who knows where we would be today."

Actually, it's not stupidity... it's simple ecocentricism: if she had thought it through, she'd have played it right.

You're lucky she's not that experienced yet. She will be soon enough.

Wasteland

Cerealkiller says on May 17, 2007, 05:43:

My parents treat my bf in a quite ambivalent way. My mom checked on his passport to make sure he was not married or had any criminal convictions, they never talk to him other than in Spanish because they know full well he can't speak it. They take him out for fancy dinners everyonce in a while and my dad has a kick out of getting him tipsy with scotch, and then making fun of him. They are also planning on paying for his and my holidays this coming December, so if anything, my bf has had it as tough as Jesus trying to convince the jews he was the Messiah...How do you explain that elmo?
BTW I must be a terrible woman cause i have never been to a motel, I dont have 300 family members, I dont need a passport, and I have pulled the "Im in those days of the month" card, when I really freaking am.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

englishsettler says on May 17, 2007, 05:57:

There is a lot of wisdom in what Elmos says. Lets all be realistic about this. At the end of the day though, this would be typical of any girl in a poor country and it is a time homoured practice of ancestry throughout the world. No one can blame any girl and her family for wanting to marry into a richer and more affluent family.
Its all a trade off......even if its a girl from our own respective country.
And what are we after ? Well, we get a good looking girl who will produce our kids. Thats what we are after. Its just another transaction in the business of life.

esanch36 says on May 17, 2007, 06:14:

Well CK Thats probably cause you come from a well to do family and dont need it..so i dont think elmo was talking about your privalged booty

esanch36

All right, I'll ask: How come it took three seconds to euthanize Eight Belles, but the Womens NBA is starting Year 12???

webmanco says on May 17, 2007, 06:15:

The moral of the story Thanks for sharing,

The moral of the story is Polish up your acts and you could earn any woman´s heart. If you get rejected once in a while what the hell, when a door closes many others open up.


Good thing Proud_Canadian do get over it without resentments toward any group of women.






They sell different color gas and of a much better quality.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Proud_Canadian says on May 17, 2007, 06:17:

To answer some questions.... Thanks to everyone for taking the time to read about my experience. I'm so glad I've been able to share my experience with so many of you, that helped me in preparing for my trip. (THANKS AGAIN SO MUCH TOM!!) The version I posted was a VERY abbreviated version. There were many other things I could go on about, but decided, if I made it any longer, I'm sure it would have scared most people away.

I am 26 years old.

I'm confident that she has the laptop from her other boyfriend "Albert" in St.Maarten. She did not have one upon her return home for a few months, and then WHAM, one day she does. She claims it is her cousins, but after being there, I know it's hers. Everything is registered to her, ect..

The house has no running water, because A)There is no plumbing B)No houses in the Villa did. They all have Sisterns outside their houses, and that is their water supply used for bathing, dishes, drinking, and laundry (which is done by hand)

She was in St.Maarten working. She is also Venezuelan...she has duel citizenship.

I stayed at a hotel by my choice, and once I got there I am SOO glad I did. At least it had running water (albiet 100% cold!! bbrr!). I did spend one night at her place though. Had I wanted to spend each night there, it would not have been a problem, but keep in mind the entire house was maybe 500sqft. A tiny house. How am I suppose to get my grove on in that!? :P


Just to clarify, I DO NOT think that all Colombianas are like this at all. I do not consider this a "mark" against Colombian women, or the Country. I simply wanted to share MY experience, as I have learned many helpful things from this site, and wanted to give back what I could.

If I could write this story the way I wantED, it would be with her madly in love with me, and us planning a life together....but as we all know, that is just NOT how it turned out, so, whatcha gonna do. I have come to terms with it, and that is fine.

Without the relationship I had with her, I would never had the opportunity to Visit Colombia the way I did. She was my personal translator, tour guide ect while I was there. I could NOT have had the experience I had, without her, so for that I am thankful. I just wish she hadn't misled me the way she did.

That's ok though....I believe in a thing called "Karma", and what goes around, comes around.

Proud_Canadian says on May 17, 2007, 06:28:

if someone shows me how to post pictures I will post pictures from my trip too

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 06:28:

Listen, I married a young hot Colombian broad. I’m old enough to be her fokin granddaddy.
First time we met was in a club in Cartagena.
She’s cachaca from Medellin, then working in Cartagena. I was doing my usual sex vacation in Colombia. I banged her the first day we met in Mr. Babilla. She enjoyed the way I danced merengue, just like a Dominican. Hey, I grew up around those loud ugly modefoques and even married one.
I planned to stay my usual 4 days in Cartagena and continued to my hometown of Barranquilla. Instead, 2 days after meeting, I took her ass to San Andres for 4 nights, ended up staying 7.
We got back to Cartagena, I say “See ya!!� and in the morning took a cab to curramba.
That same evening she appeared in currmba and found my drunken ass in an estanco (liquor shop) getting drunk, dancing with about 6 super sexy fine female cousins.
The rest is history.
Now, 8 years later, she’s still after me, though we no longer live together. Invites me to lavish vacations, I might just go with her after I get back from my hooker chasing trip to currmba.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Cerealkiller says on May 17, 2007, 06:29:

Esanch, that does not matter. I used to believe that this stuff happened precisely because american men often go to depressed areas for booty. But truth is, poverty does not make anyone a social climber and a cold gold digging whore. If anything, it is poorer people who tend to be prouder and tougher. Dad's wont often just let their daughters go out with guys and are extremely concerned about education and getting an honest job in order to look after the family. So it does make me wonder, and I cant help but often fall for the stereotypical "gringo bobo" explanation. If I see a girl with great tits and tight ass struting her stuff all over the place...chances are shes a skank, why would any man want to do something other than nail her no string attached? Honestly, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out. I have read soooo many stories about men complaining of horrible colombianas breaking their hearts yadda yadda...but why? Perhaps because they went for the puta-looking one, everyone wants to fuck and nobody wants to marry? And those are found in every estrato...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

esanch36 says on May 17, 2007, 06:33:

true true Again i dont think the well to do girls go gringo hunting as much as the poorer girls...this is just from my experience.

All right, I'll ask: How come it took three seconds to euthanize Eight Belles, but the Womens NBA is starting Year 12???

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 06:38:

hey ceralkiller,can i see your privalged booty?
send it to my email malpariohp at yahoo.com

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 06:59:

Wealthy girl chase gringos Wealthy girls chase gringos for that status trophy
Poor girls chase gringos for necessity, either they marry that modefoquer or the entire family goes hungry.
Millions of colombianos dance much better than me, but yet this cacahaca wanted me, why? I came with few extra bonuses, colombiano, barranquillero, handsome, a dancing fool, a respectable 10 inches, capo looking, incredible all year round tan, make her laugh, barranquillero and with a blue passport living and working in the greatest city in the world, New York City.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Cerealkiller says on May 17, 2007, 07:01:

elmo, I just sent you mi picture. I am wearing my dominatrix outfit, no booty this time. Send me yours and ill think about it. Hope to hear from you before i have to run home :)

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

esanch36 says on May 17, 2007, 07:07:

damn i want to see esanch36

All right, I'll ask: How come it took three seconds to euthanize Eight Belles, but the Womens NBA is starting Year 12???

Cerealkiller says on May 17, 2007, 07:11:

If you tell me how to post a pic, ill put it on here. No wait, ill send you the link.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/wankspanners/ugly_woman.gif

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 07:12:

Cereal killer tu eres bonita pero mentirosa! no me mandastes un culo!!
esto te lo dedico a ti

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Cerealkiller says on May 17, 2007, 07:14:

Holy crap elmo, perhaps i sent the file to another malparido hp....I apologize.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 07:16:

sorry could not find the origianl one, these mexicans don't sound too bad

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

gringolondinense says on May 17, 2007, 07:41:

MR CANADIAN to post your pix, type this in:



so just put in your photo name like hotcolombiana.jpg between the quote marks.

Cool. I wanna see them as im sat on my ass here in a crap office and have nothing better to do :-).

Cheers

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 07:41:

no solamente eres mentirosa y bonita pero tambien traicionera

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

gringolondinense says on May 17, 2007, 07:42:

**** it didnt show up ..balls.

tompower says on May 17, 2007, 09:46:

Three Cheers for Proud Canadian I seen some of his pics and this guys got balls.
I can't Imagine not speaking spanish, having very little experience with colombia and getting on a plane and flying to the para military heartland Cucuta.
He arrived totally on the fly in bogota got around with his pad and pen and then flew on to cucuta and lived in the barrio with his girl.
I think proud canadian lost the girl but he deserves the PBH Big Balls Award.

Proud_Canadian says on May 17, 2007, 09:52:

hahahha Thanks Tom! Again, appreciated all your help....AND....would do it again in a heartbeat (not with her though!)

kalder says on May 17, 2007, 10:21:

Canadian I've glanced through this thread again and I see that you're 26!

You should be relieved you lost the girl. You've got a lot more to get through before it's your turn to jump the broomstick :)

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on May 17, 2007, 10:21:

*double post* *

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 10:48:

hey rubio, whatta you expect those guys are mexicans LOL
I totally agree, Proud Canadian should get this year's "PBH BIG BALLS AWARD"

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 10:52:

If I may I like to take a shot at designing this most prestigious award. Any other volunteers?

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Qubo says on May 17, 2007, 10:53:

One for the Gringo Proud Canadian,

this post should be marked for all other would be gringos in chase of the women of their dreams. But take into consideration that these women are just looking to improve their lives "low estrata" and others are trying to land the trophy, a gringo "upper estrata".

I must say you have some phuckin balls going to Cucuta which is high risk due to guerilla activity. Many of you need to take heed to Elmo's rules and also analyze your own motives of going to a foreign in search for the love of your life. The fact that you are young and her lack of experience in this field workt out to your advantage. If she was an expert at her profession, you would've been posting threads like "how to get my reina to Canada" or some other cupid driven post.

I say you need to thank you lucky stars that this girl was only after getting out of colombia and didn't have any milicious intentions or you would've been replacing John Pichao "escaped from captivity" and holding long conversations with the americans in capitivity and learning french by no other than Ingrid Betancourt. She could've easily sold you for some pesos to Las Farc. So don't judge the girl as a bad person rather a product of her environment. She is just using the only ass-ets she has to get out of poverty. Call her and say thank you for such a blast, even send her a few pesos for a bonus..consider it a propina.

If I were you I would stay in contact with her. After all, she helped you experience one of the best travels in your life and you can tell this story to your grandchildren about how once upon a time granpa canuck went down to ColOmbia to score..jajja..She could've been your grandma..jjajajajj

Dude, I am not sure if I am glad that you didn't get reeled in by the colombiana or should I applaud you for not falling head over heals, and spending your earnt money getting her here. If she would've greeted you at the airport with a nice blow job, it would of been a rap.jajjajaja...you know it buddy...close call...

Anyway, my hat goes out to you and thanks for sharing such a incredible adventure. And thank your lucky stars that you arent in the amazon crying why the hell did I come to this place. jajajja... Definitely call her and stay in touch with her. Let her know your on to her game and it was fun that you aren't a typical gringo that is going to sponsor her. She will respect you for your honesty and might want you to bang you some more this time with no intentions of getting a one way ticket. Besides, you can also use her as a travel guide if you decided to go back to colombia..

BTW, where did she learn english..Her environment appears to be very poor. Again great post...I sure the dude that bought her the laptop will be posting her soon, saying that he has found the love of his life in Cucuta, Colombia..jajjajaj...poor guy..hey better him than you...:)

Miguel_Clavo says on May 17, 2007, 11:15:

You mean like this.....


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

elmodefoque says on May 17, 2007, 11:30:

that's it!!!!we got a that's it!!!!
we got a winner ladies and gentlemen!!
mister proudCanadian, please come and accept your award.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Proud_Canadian says on May 17, 2007, 12:16:

I graciously accept!! LoL!!!

*Acceptance Speach*

I would first like to thank PBH, for providing me the platford and opportunity to accept this award. Without it, I would have been walking into my trip COMPLETELY blind. As well, I would like to thank my friend Tom, for all his SOUND advice, reccomendations, and help. Lastly I want to thank everyone who has posted on BPH, for sharing their thoughts and experience, as well as EVERYONE who has replied to my post. I have learned a LOT from my experience, as well as from your replies. I hope this thread never dies, and people continue to learn, and share from it.

Thanks for the Award! I will cherish it, and show all my friends!

Miguel_Clavo says on May 17, 2007, 12:28:

PC......one way for posting photos got to tinypic.com
click on the browse button
locate and click on the photo stored on your computer
hit the upload button
when finished tinypic should show a thumbnail photo of your photo
click on the "copy" button to the right of the HTML for Websites button, which blue highlights the text inside
Use your mouse to right click on the blue text, and select copy from the dropdown menu
go to the PBH Post New Comment box like you would normally post some text there, click inside the comment section with your left mouse, then right click inside the comment box, and select paste from the dropdown menu.....the html text is put inside...then when you upload the text, the photo will display...you can also confirm the photo is there by using the Preview Comment button to the left of the Post Comment button...

however, no outhouse photos...dont want Elmo to get excited now, do we?



Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Proud_Canadian says on May 17, 2007, 12:34:

AWESOME! I will post photos either tonight, or tomorrow!

lpdiver says on May 17, 2007, 16:17:

Wait a minute... How the hell do you check a passport to determine criminal and matrimonial history? Inquiring minds want to know!

Sounds like your boyfriend is one smart mf. Getting an Colombianas parents to foot the bill for vacations and fine dining.

And that time of the month chit don't hold water in my house. My paisa bride tried that...once. I threw a towel on the bed and explained that there was a shower with hot water five steps away.

If she ever dumps me I'd love to meet your folks...

T

"cook some rice!"

scotty says on May 17, 2007, 17:27:

elmo question do you enjoy exagerating or are you just totally full of ..it?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

donroberto says on May 17, 2007, 21:10:

Props for miamimike and cerealkiller These posts are better than Dear Abby. Gimme feedback. I'm from the U.S. and met my colombiana this past november the old fashioned way in Cartagena. We've spent 5 weeks together since. She is a 6 first thing in the morning but a 7 when she is dressed up. At 24 years old had never spent the night away from her parents. Works 2 jobs and goes to school. Will not show her parents my gifts of "appreciation" and I have not met her parents. She has never asked me for money but I sent some once and she questioned me as to why I felt I needed to do that but was apprecative. We've talked about marriage although I'm a lifelong bachelor with no kids and am able to live anywhere in the world and she said me being in colombia would be better than her coming to the U.S. Based on these posts she is saying all the right things and doing all the right actions. What am I missing?

Cerealkiller says on May 18, 2007, 02:25:

LPDiver My mom is weird like that and she can do wonders with a passport number. Plus he has an indefinite leave to remain in the UK, some people have to register with police every now and then, and it usually says on what grounds has your residency been granted.
My boyfriend is the most wonderful human being ever, but my parents were very concerned about the age difference I am 22 and he is in his early 30s. That is a huge deal for my parents, they have lived in Colombia for ever but that is one thing they never get used to. To them, people should marry people their own age. They are only a year apart.
In regards to them paying for our holidays, i think its my dad's way of saying "thank you" for convincing me of moving back to the UK, and making sure I am not some drunken mess -which I am, most weekends at least-
Your gf seems like a decent woman Lpdiver. I on the other hand am a disgusting, shameless little thing and had absolutely no problem with pulling pants down and saying "Fine, but if you want to hit that, it has to be just like it is now." He thought it was a gross thing to say but I am a raunchy gay old man trapped in a 22 year old woman's body and he has to live with that.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

elmodefoque says on May 18, 2007, 06:23:

scotty, at the present "elmo
question do you enjoy exagerating or are you just totally full of ..it?"

By scotty at Fri, 05/18/2007 - 00:27


scotty, at the present moment, i'm full of it.
just returned from the 5th and 6th floor men's room.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

sylvester says on May 18, 2007, 06:24:

Poors girl from Colombia in St Martin There are many Colombian girls employed as sex workers in places like St Martin and Aruba. Fairly easy for them to obtain temporary work visas for these locations. They learn english by spending a lot of time with tourist men.

kentuckygreg says on May 18, 2007, 06:43:

Your girl is a 6 and dressed up a 7? Um, Colombia is full of 9's when dressed up 10's. I think it's about time for you to upgrade my friend. :)

DR_MABUSE says on May 18, 2007, 06:49:

TO PROUD CANADIAN Good looking out!

You kept your eye on her demeanor and saved yourself a lot of unpleasantness. She was an amateur and you the proffessional.

Always on the watch....

Cerealkiller says on May 18, 2007, 06:53:

Don Roberto, you dont seem to be missing anything. What are you looking for? Were you hoping she was a gold digger who wanted no commitment whatsoever?

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

Proud_Canadian says on May 18, 2007, 12:47:

Photos from my trip (These were taken the week of May 1st, 2007

The view from the sidewalk, looking behind her house.



Their backyard.



Their business (the house is below...the entrance is on the left behind her mom and the guy on the bike)



This is the main entrance to walk down to the house. This is taken from the sidewalk.



This is where they do their laundry, brush their teeth, and some other things.



This is the Cistern where their water is kept. The water in here is used for bathing, filling up the toilet, cooking, laundry, and drinking.



This is a look inside the Cistern.



A gas station!!



The view from my hotel window in San Antonio, Venezuela (2 mins from the Colombia border)



The house across the street from hers. It's actually two homes.

Miguel_Clavo says on May 18, 2007, 12:54:

Proud....just a suggestion...resize your photos prior to.. uploading.....your photo file sizes are HUGE....very clear, but some people here might have problems viewing them...

..Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel_Clavo says on May 18, 2007, 12:59:

In the 3rd photo is how i imagine AB riding around on his bike.. in Cali.....jajjajaj...

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

tompower says on May 18, 2007, 13:21:

show the photo of mama in the kitchen.

Proud_Canadian says on May 18, 2007, 14:44:

sorry...I didn't realize they would show up so large I reduced these pics.




This is her mom in the kitchen (keeping in mind, the kitchen is part of the business, not in the house.



This is her mom in the kitchen (keeping in mind, the kitchen is part of the business, not in the house.



A bike filling up on gas



People waiting for a bus in Cucuta



Random corner in Cucuta



The main street in Villa Del Rosario.

lpdiver says on May 18, 2007, 21:16:

Nobody in Colombia has hot water. Lukewarm at best.

t

"cook some rice!"

webmanco says on May 18, 2007, 22:29:

Forget about hotel restaurants, I like to eat from restaurants like in the picture, home made food. Mom and dad restaurants

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

CaritadeAngel says on May 18, 2007, 22:55:

Marriage? Pull the other one, its got bells on.
Elmo, your advice was the best I've seen so far, and the most acurate.

I hate it when guys kids themselves. Give me an honest rogue than a man who deceives himself.

You guys come down looking for a hot mamacita who will go out with you cos your waving your dead presidents around the place (God knows, there is no OTHER reason why she'd have you, as elmo says, you're not Brad Pit) and then you get upset when she sets about cheerfully,carefully, methodically, and professionally removing them from you. Then you start crying that some female canine removed all your money.

What you guys want is a whore for all intents and purposes who'll do it for free. Elmo is smarter than you, and way more honest with himself: he'll get an honest lady of the evening and pay her well, and go home hungover but at least confident that he's not added to the overall dysfunctionality of Colombia too much.

But YOU. No, y'all have to lie to yourselves and tell you (and her, and everyone else) that you are "searching for the woman of your dreams". C'mon.

Marry her? Good Lord, Proud Canadian, you're 26. Which means you are not seriously thinking of marriage for another 10 years (nor should you, if you are smart), but are up for some travel and some exotic experiences. So you got it. But her life is still crap and you have added bugger all to it. You don't understand her, her culture, her language or anything remotely connected with this place, and you are a sexual tourist.

Personally I wouldnt have given you them time of day unless you'd put a ring on my finger and taken me back to Canada, where I would continue to fleece you for every cent, divorce you as soon as it was safe to do so, live a quite life for year, and then move my broke Colombiano who lives in the next town who really DOES look like Brad Pitt, except a he's got beautiful skin hovering somewhere between the colour of molasses and toffee, and settle down in Canada/United States and gradually supplant the English-speaking population by having lots of beautiful, Spanish speaking, salsa dancing kids. And I'm Scottish. :D Yeah, you know how the Scots all want to go to Canada for a better way of life. Heck, Canada IS Scottish.

You need to come to my country, lads, not Colombia. The girls are really dumb when you ply them with drink. Colombian chicks are too smart.

Colombian pal (just returned from an eye-opening trip to Alicante in Spain:

Carita...what is wrong with the women from your country? They get really drunk in Espain and then have sex with strange men on the beach. Are they putas?

Me (wearily, he didn't mean to call me a puta-by-proxy, but even so, I have to put up with the REPUTAcion of British women everywhere I go):

No, papacito. Putas are smart. Putas get paid. These poor wee tarts are broke and hungover in the morning. And no smarter.

My feeling is that our Proud Canadian is like all the other pround Canadians I know doing their sexual tourist thing: I can understand (living as I do in "real" Barranquilla and being a woman, get to hear the "real" feelings of the locals regarding foreign men.

"They come here," they tell me, with a kind of clenched fist in their voices "make whores of our women."

"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

andrew24 says on May 18, 2007, 23:15:

No one made anything of their women--if their women weren't gold digging the gringos, they'd be doing it to whoever was there and had money; it'd be the Japanese or the Brits or the Europeans or whatever that he'd be bitching about. If there weren't any rich foreigners then EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE "PUTAS" would be doing the exact same thing, except with rich Colombianos.

Who gets the very best prepagos in Colombia? The worst of the very worst, AND ironically THEY'RE COLOMBIAN: paraco and farc leaders, and the drug dealers.

Sorry, nobody 'did' anything to your women--it was already like that. Just like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, especially the poorer ones where the same thing goes on, like Russia, Ukraine, Estonia, Brazil, etc. and not only there but the U.S. has got its share of golddigging whores, so I don't know what the hell he's bitching about, as if Colombia is f***ing special or something in that regard, they're not.

Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.

Mark Twain

Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough. Mark Twain

Wastelandlive says on May 19, 2007, 03:14:

You guys are SO easily played. Carita... this is your best incarnation ever.

Wasteland

tompower says on May 19, 2007, 05:51:

Hey Carita why are YOU in BQ? You SAID:: Proud Canadian is like all the other pround Canadians I know doing their sexual tourist thing: I can understand (living as I do in "real" Barranquilla and being a woman."

Why are you THERE??? In love with a Latin Man taking you for everything you got? Why are you any different? Your worse if you think you are,... at least Proud Canadian knows what he wants, and has the BALLS to go and get it and not pretend he's in love with the culture and the "REAL" people and he just by chance met a girl along the way.

I've seen more than one misguided gringa on the arm of a colombiano. And you know he's probably got a better chance of his girl being faithful than any other MAN in colombia being faithful to a gringa.

Just be honest with yourself,
because were all in this together.

panthdave says on May 19, 2007, 06:22:

I have read every Comment Amazing.. There is the hard core approach Elmo which is correct and there other ways to approach these situations..

Life is a risk..Nothing is for certain but you can prevent many mistakes and the only way is by making that mistake and that is with age and wisdom..

Poor Girls are looking to get out of poverty and yes they will be desparate for survival and good chances you are getting screwed..but thats your choice for sending money and long distance relationship what do you expect for her to do with no sex of course she is going to get a piece of ass from her local boyfriend and you should do the same for yourself..unless she is into Video Sex via MSN like my GF which I won't get into..and also I do may roundtrips every two to three weeks MIA-MDE..Also marriage after only physically seeing her two times once in St.Maarten and once in Colombia come on..you got to be kidding..My GF and I are over 6 months and both agree need more time together for marriage damn straight but my gf and I are both fockin loco's we have tempers and drink we kind of similar..She loves me for that and I don't put up with bullshit.She knows she pisses me off I going down street going to have a beer and if I see a nice piece of ass I am hitting that man Married or not thats my attitude Sounds bad but it works and I have not cheated on her yet but she gives great sex all the time and we have fun together.. Somehow we get along and have a nice relationship she works and studies hard...

Internet Meetings don't work..My opinion I met mine out of the blue one night and we danced to closing and then fockin had papas because I had the munchies from drinking to much Tequila..I didn't have sex with my GF until after four dates..It was worth the wait because when we did we rocked the house..

Elmo you have hit the age now I think where you have wisdom and probably have made mistakes like me..I treat relationships much different now..Elmo you do have a hard core approach.. You must of been fucked a few times..but that is normal I have been too..Shit you learn from mistakes..which I have..

Proud Canadian.. Smart thing to make the visit and had the experience..I had a few and have gained wisdom..but even thinking of marriage or her suggesting that is crazy.. Marriage needs alot of time together physically to see how things go..

Anyways Happy Camper right now but life changes..you never know..

Peace out Memorial Day my GF and I rockin the house down in Medellin ..GF and I are party animals and hookin up my FLAT LCD I just bought and bringing down to my apartment...Damn happy..

GF and I will be 7 months now..She is happy and I am happy but I make her work man..She knows that and We both like that we work as a team together..that is a relationship..We both look out for each other..

Example: We go out if I am little broke she pays for the drinks vice versa..If I am short on some Pesos or if a bill is due many times she goes down and pays it and if she has good week at work..

Funny our first night I paid for the first bottle of Tequila and She paid for the second bottle..

Like I said we both work as a Team.....

panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

panthdave says on May 19, 2007, 08:15:

You should take that back Livefreeordie... Not all....Actually only a small percentage..just like the States..

panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

CaritadeAngel says on May 19, 2007, 09:56:

Tom-Tom: This one deserves the best of Carita Why are you THERE??? In love with a Latin Man taking you for everything you got? Why are you any different? Your worse if you think you are,... at least Proud Canadian knows what he wants, and has the BALLS to go and get it and not pretend he's in love with the culture and the "REAL" people and he just by chance met a girl along the way.

I've seen more than one misguided gringa on the arm of a colombiano. And you know he's probably got a better chance of his girl being faithful than any other MAN in colombia being faithful to a gringa. Just be honest with yourself,
because were all in this together.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

tompower says on May 19, 2007, 10:18:

Carita no wonder your alone. That's a nice essay carita I got bored half way through.
I think you said you don't want a man, you hate being alone at night and really hot young latin men turn you on.
Did I get that right? If not can you try the essay again but give us the coles notes version please.
thanks and remember we're all in this together.
Tom Power

adrimm says on May 19, 2007, 11:02:

PC Glad to hear that you have taken a good experience from your trip and that your friend was a good person, tourguide, etc.

I know San Antonio (a bit) and Cucuta (a bit).. the whole cross border dynamic is very interesting and considering the way times are in the area I think your friend was at least genuine and good to you.

Most importantly you are true to yourself and cautious emotionally (although it seems she was honest in that regard too, which bodes well for whoever she does commit to). From the way you have told us your story I think you took alot from your experience and weren't trying to convince yourself of anything.

As you possibly didn't know prior to arriving, Cucuta isn't the stableist of places for a sole foreigner so you've had a look at a situation that most foreigners woudn't. Imho the family obviously aren't wealthy but they do live better than many of the tens of thousands of displaced people in the region, and have business.. her mom also gives a friendly/kind impression in the photos.

But Colombia is a fabulous place to visit and travel in for those looking for a new place to explore (as I think you have discovered).. so girl or not, go back, dive into the travel circuit and enjoy it on with the rest of the travelling crowd - it's easy to hook up with someone who has better spanish skills in the hostels.

Proud_Canadian says on May 19, 2007, 11:41:

CaritadeAngel..... So, seeing how you DO NOT know me, OR any of my motives, I am safe to say you are 100% WRONG in saying "Our hapless but Proud Canadian was just a dumb kid in search of sexual adventure. Secondly, he doesn't know what he wants."

I did NOT go to Colombia for a sex adventure. I DID know what I wanted.

I went to Colombia to visit my "girlfriend"(or so I was led to believe). SHE had misled ME. I had VERY good intentions arriving in Cucuta, of furthering our relationship, learning more about the culture, and her family, and for you to say anything different is plain ignorance.

"The only kind of man who reall poses a danger to my heart these days is a someone with that deadly mix of good humour, compassion, intelligence, and culture." You rang?

My story is a perfect example of a Colombiana preying on a gringo. I was sincere in my actions and intentions, she on the other hand was deceptive, callous, and calculated. She knew exactly what she was doing, and I KNOW, she knows it was wrong but chose to do it anyways. SHE is the one that will lose from this experience, not me.

I treated her as a woman, not as an object. Maybe that was a mistake.

We ARE all in this together.... I am about to score one point for Team Gringo.

Miguel_Clavo says on May 19, 2007, 13:31:

Everyone gets who they deserve...if a man lies down like a..... doormat, then expect to be walked on......dont lay flat on the floor, then they wont walk on you....easy, huh?.....as for the money, no one forces these people to send money..they choose to send their own money...its their money, no one elses...but if a person cant figure out if they are being taken, i dont have any sympathy for them...hopefully they have the mental capacity to learn from their mistakes.....PC was smart to spend the time and effort to find out...not rely on the advice of internet posters......


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

webmanco says on May 19, 2007, 13:54:

to declare yourself a victim "My story is a perfect example of a Colombiana preying on a gringo."

It could be the other way around a Gringo preying on a poor woman.

Still it would be nice to read the other side of th story, I mean her points of view.

This is not the place to play victim, you did had great expectations but failed to see beforehand what could go wrong. Maybe you were a little naive, (SHE had misled ME), but to declare yourself a victim is a different history.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Miguel_Clavo says on May 19, 2007, 13:57:

Hey Webmanco...interesting picture of Ingrid on the left..! Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Proud_Canadian says on May 19, 2007, 14:28:

victim Ok, so she does not know I'm aware of her other boyfriends, and she still continues to tell me how she loves me, she wants to marry me, and be with me forever. Just the other day, she tells me she loves me ect, and that she has to go to her cousins house....then she turns around and logs onto her other msn (which she does not know I'm aware of), and what's her name? "TE AMO ALBERT".

Ya, who's the one playing who?

How can she be the victim, when I gave her the opportunity that she asked for....a better life with someone who would give her anything she wanted in life. She in turn...F at WKED me over, thinking I was too dumb to catch on to her games.

Enough about that...the idea was, I had a GREAT time in Colombia, and wanted to share my VERY REAL experience through this vehicle (PBH) because I can GUARANTEE you someone reading this HAS, or WILL go through the same thing.

Man Tequila says on May 19, 2007, 15:13:

People on the Internet tend to make broad assumptions based on very little information. These are often wrong, but it's not worth getting upset about it.

I enjoyed reading your experiences, Proud_Canadian. Thank you for posting it.

I have found most people ignorant about most things. I have been to Colombia three times myself, and am still pretty ignorant about Colombia. There are people that would consider this a bad thing. Perhaps only self-styled experts have the right to a valid opinion or to post in order to enlighten others. Perhaps being a self-styled expert is different from being a real one.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

Miguel_Clavo says on May 19, 2007, 15:33:

I have yet to find someone here on PBH that would be considered an expert on Colombia....it is all opinions only, based on either experience or perceptions....but there are alot of self-proclaimed experts here.....lots of legends in their own minds as well...=)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

lpdiver says on May 19, 2007, 15:44:

So you got played by a hooker looking to better herself. Of course she didn't throw herself at you sexually. Do YOU bring your work home and ENJOY it?

I don't see how anyone got used here. Misrepresentations were made by at least the woman. Were you entirely honest with her about everything.

In the end; the bottom line is, another internet relationship that didn't stand the test of virtuality.

Learn from it and move on. (Seems you have BTW)

Hope you used a condom; syphilis is rampant down there.

tiberon

"cook some rice!"

Proud_Canadian says on May 19, 2007, 15:56:

LOL lpdiver Yes, yes and YES!!!

CaritadeAngel says on May 19, 2007, 16:18:

Thanks Tom-Tom, I want you to sleep well...
I just know how to appreciate God's artistry. I like attention from attractive guys as much as the next girl, so sue me (or show me a straight girl that doesn't appreciate it). I just know what's a genuine overture, an expression of regard, and what's a pile of bovine excrement. And I know what true love is, and what its not, and especially, how you go about creating it in your life. Turn me on? Takes more than what a woman sees to turn her on, don't tell me you didn't know that ... these guys are attractive yes. Can they turn me on? I make a distinction between the two things: certainly there are really attractive guys who are really dumb, and stupidity turns me right off. Geddit?

Privately, and this is just an observation, I think Colombianos are much better looking than pasty gringos. That doesn't mean I have to run after them like a perra en calor. There is a difference between "ok the guys down here are attractive" and jumping their bones every which way from Sunday. I have better, and more important things to do. Like write my thesis and learn a language.

Did I say I was alone? I don't live alone in Colombia. I'm a scholar. I have a life outside of Colombia and I didn't come here to hook up. I don't discuss politics or my personal life (to any great degree) on this site. I said life here could be lonely for a single foreign woman, statement of fact. My personal life is just that - personal.

Now, Tom-tom, how about that dance? I promise you I'm not the rabid dungaree-wearing, skinhead feminazi lesbian you think I am. :D

Man T - did I say I was an "expert" in anything? I told PC why I thought he was kidding himself. From this own words. But I really want to be wrong on that one. But you know very well why many gringos come down here. I don't think he's bad, just naïve. I hope he falls in love and gets married to a woman who really loves him (lord, I hope you all do) but if he's coming down here in this fashion (the way he has described it doesn't sound as though he'd ready for the hard work of marriage.

I'm glad he liked Colombia though.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

CaritadeAngel says on May 19, 2007, 16:27:

I rang -fortunately some other proud Canadian already
picked up.

But, Proud, I see that I pricked your pride. Atta boy. Dont take that kind of thing lying down. If you are a decent sort, welcome. There are too few of you down here.

But here's what lost my respect for you, and made me think you were a dumb sexual tourist, (or at least a man who needs to examine his true motivations).

I was of course expecting "you know what" right away. This was not the case. One excuse after the next "that time of the month", then "Ohhh is THAT why you came here?", followed by "after we get married". HAHAHA, she must be on crack! Long story short with that, I got what I wanted, just not as much of it as I would have liked?

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

lpdiver says on May 19, 2007, 17:06:

Good point Angel You got what you wanted? "You know what" IS the reason (at least in part) why you came down here, by your own admission. You claim you wanted a wife. A man of honour would have dropped the issue when he saw she wasn't serious - if marriage was his true intention.

Well, it is easy to Monday morning quarterback. Maybe he was hoping he was wrong and wanted to play his hand to completion. Continuing the Monday morning quarterbacking...he should have moved on and continued his pursuit while down in Colombia.

But, not all of us think well on our feet. When you are in the middle of a mud hole is not time to put on the brakes and think about your course. Ya just gotta keep the pedal to the metal and analyse afterwards.

Personally I think an internet relationship should end up in a real life meet as soon as possible. To spend months investing emotional energy seems high risk to me. It may not even be intentional but many people portray false facades in the cyber world.

tib

"cook some rice!"

Monpirri says on May 19, 2007, 19:21:

Those pictures remind me of the movies Hollywood makes when the producers want to emphasize something bad is going to happen around the corner where sicarios are awaiting.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Man Tequila says on May 19, 2007, 20:11:

I was talking in generalities, and I know very well why some gringos go to Colombia. Not all of them do, though. When I went to Medellin I heard many paisas darkly mutter that tourists were only interested in drugs and sex. Even in Amsterdam lots of people seem able to accept that some folks visit the country for other reasons.

I did not have CA in mind when I talked about so-called experts. In retrospect she claimed considerable life experience. Doesn't everyone have life experience?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

CaritadeAngel says on May 19, 2007, 20:21:

LOL Monpirri I like Proud Canadia's photos, though, he's captured a really good sense of the place. I hate walking around with a camera here (or anywhere else): feel I stand out enough as it is.

"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

Wastelandlive says on May 20, 2007, 05:49:

I can't take it anymore. "That paragraph was largely sarcasm."

Actually, that paragraph was largely bullshit. Give me a break Carita.

BTW - I particularly liked this bromide:

CdA: "Ignorance should never be mistaken for courage. Courage is the mastery of your fear - when you know the reality of the danger and you conquer your fear: ask Coffee Beaner about this, he was a marine, he'll tell you that the best soldiers are not the ones who aren't frightened, they are the ones who can control their fear. The psychos or ignoramouses who really have no fear put themselves and their unit in danger."

That was quite the lecture on soldiering there, Carita, especially coming from a female graduate student. Where was it that you served? Was it the Falklands in the 80's? Gulf War I? Maybe you are a returning Vet from today's hot zone?

It is to laugh...

Wasteland

andrew24 says on May 20, 2007, 11:08:

Well, regardless of her lack of experience she is right about that, it's the stupid ones that want to John Wayne it that are dangerous...

Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.

Mark Twain

Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough. Mark Twain

tompower says on May 20, 2007, 11:55:

Sorry Carita Honestly carita I didn't like how you laid into Proud Canadian for not understanding the "real" colombians like you understand them. But after going back to your posts I see you just like to ramble on and on and on and on and on and someone who talks that much really cant be held acountable for everything they say.
There's a lot of hookers in colombia and there's a lot of brothels and they're full of a lot of colombian men I find it hard to imagine that your "real" colombian girl friends are blaming the odd gringo here and there walking with a hooker for prostituting the colombian women, more likely there just telling you what you want to hear because the lonely gringa looks sad.

raulinho says on May 20, 2007, 12:13:

There are lots of different types of gringos and gringas who go to Colombia. It may surprise Carita de Angel that lots of Colombianas do not find Colombianos attractive and find gringos better looking with their blond hair blue eyes, being taller etc,for the same reason you find Colombianos attractive. You, by the way, are obviously a pasty skinned gringa, yet you diss pasty skinned gringos, (some self-loathing going on) but that is attractive to many Colombianos. If everyone liked the same person the world would be very boring not to say difficult! There are just as many Colombiana putas as Gringo putos, there are MANY completely dishonourable Colombianas and dishonourable Gringos. Colombia is not paradise it is full of people like every where else with good and base intentions, liars and honourable people, hard-working and lazy people. My Colombiana ex was the falsest person I ever met, a complete liar and selfish asshole and hypocrit but is every Colombiana like that? Of course not ...Are all gringos just intrerested in one thing of course not ?

kalder says on May 20, 2007, 12:57:

CAngel So young and yet so cynical! :)

You'd be surprised. A lot of those boys chasing women in Colombia have got plenty of 'game'.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

CaritadeAngel says on May 20, 2007, 16:56:

Then you cant read Tompower...otherwise you would realise that I never said she was a hooker. I said that PC wasnt seriously thinking of marriage, wasnt in love with her, and came down here to have a good time and get laid (which he did). I never ever claimed to be an expert on Colombia - I have knowledge in some areas and not others. But I do have knowledge - a lot of knowledge - about love.

Do I go on and on? Perhaps. But least I dont ramble on about sexual conquests, like most the male posters here.

I didn't lay into PC. He was kidding himself. I could a. Maybe it will lead him to the path of his real true love (which is always the path of courage,) and maybe I will make him think. Hell, I might even make you think. I was not speaking of the men who come here to use the sex industry (a different and far more serious gripe) I'm speaking of men who come here for no-strings sexual experience, and do immense emotional harm, before trotting off back to the states to plan their next vacation (having "done" Colombia, they'd make Thailand their next stop).

There are decent foreign men here, for sure. But I dont think (and anyway the locals don't preceive them to be in the majority. As I said, I hang out with Colombians not foreigners. If you read my posts, then your would understand that I have a very serious point.

But since you don't like big words I'll sum it up.

(1) There are good foriegn men and bad foreign men, and developing countries tend to get the bad ones.
(2) I hate the activities of sexual tourists with a passion, and make no apologies for that.

Now, not every man who come here is going to be a scumbag, but for every really evil scumbag there are a dozen potentially decent young men who can do great harm because they do not think about the consequences of their actions.

Kalder, I'm not cynical, I am the worlds last incurable romatic. Which is why I believe in true love, not sexual tourism. Tompower et al are upset because deep down, they I know speak the truth. And I dare to "enter the locker room" - unlike other female posters, and challange their paradigms.

Love will continue to elude them, when it is my grasp, and the grasp of the man I love (who isn't Colombian, even though Colombian men are still very attractive).

Now, shall we all have a nice cup of tea?

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

Monpirri says on May 20, 2007, 18:20:

CaritadeAngel It’s good that you liked Proud_Canadian’s photos.
Like I said some of his pictures remind me of Hollywood movies. I wonder if there are any reality pictures that he would like to share with us that would capture the same type sense of reality of his native country.
Here are more proud shots to compliment his photo exhibit.