My First Colombian Experience in Bogota, Cucuta, and Villa Del Rosario
I recently returned from my first trip to Colombia. I met a Colombian girl in St.Maarten, and we kept in touch via msn, email for the past 8 months. We got very close, and of course she wanted to marry me, and bring her to Canada.
So I arranged my trip to spend a week (no amount of time is ever enough) with her and her family, and decide if I wanted to move forward.
I arrived in Bogota from Canada saturday evening, and was had to spend the night in Bogota, as my friend lives outside Cucuta, and there were no flights to Cucuta until the morning. So a fellow PBH'er was so kind as to reccomend a hotel and get me all set up. Getting through the airport was very easy, and nowhere near as "scary" as it can be percieved. People seemed to be very friendly, and helpful.
I stayed at the Hotel El Dorado, which is pretty much downtown Bogota, so I needed to take a taxi there. This was very easy as well, and myself (a gringo), with only basic spanish was able to do this very easily. I will note, a VERY helpful tip I recieved from PBH was to bring a small notepad, and pen to write things down. That came in handy MANY times.
The hotel is perfect if your just looking for somewhere to put your head down. Definately not luxurious, but at the same time, you get what you pay for. It was 35.000 pesos (about 18 bucks). I went across the road to a little pastry shop to grab a quick bite, and WoW! The girls were VERY friendly! Very patient in trying to communicate with me, and super nice!
My hotel for the remainder of the time was actually in Venezuela, as my friend lives in Villa Del Rosario, which is about 10mins from the Venezuela border.
So let me sum up my experience in two parts...
The TRUE Colombian Experience
&
The "Girlfriend"
The TRUE Colombian experience was INCREDIBLE. I spent the majority of my time at her house, where her parents had a little business selling small food items, beer and other beverages, as well as they had two pool tables for people to use.
Her family was SOOOO incredibly nice to me. They welcomed me with open arms, and treated me like a king the entire time I was there. I was fed more food then I could consume, and no sooner would I finish my beer, was I offered another one.
I (being from Canada) had never experience such poverty though. Majority of all the houses in the Villa had no running water, instead the family got their water from a sistern outside their house. Showers were more like a stand up sponge bath, or a rinse, and toilets didn't flush unless you filled it up with water manually.
Her house was a TINY 4 room house (one "dining room" we'll call it), a "living room" which was transformed into a bedroom, and two bedrooms. The house was a perfect square and all rooms were almost equal in size. Maybe 12" x 12".
I took many buses, and taxis to ride around town. These were mostly hot stuffy environments, in crappy vehicles.
One day we went to a roadside BBQ for lunch, and I had to use the washroom. I saw some guy go, so when he returned I thought "here's my chance". So, I walk over, and the "bathroom" is a tree, with on shotty wooden wall a little over waist high, blocking the rest of the world from seeing you pee. Very interesting! :)
Gas stations were along the side of the road, and they would be just gas cans. You pull up, and they put gas in your vehicle. None of this "pump" stuff. We're talking a guy on the side of the road, with 20-30 gas cans, just standing there.
One thing I did notice though, was with all the poverty, MANY people had braces. Just thought I'd mention.
So, all in all I had an incredible experience immersing myself into their culture, and seeing how that part of the world lives day - day life.
#2 "The Girlfriend"
So, I'm led to believe she "loves me", wants to marry me, blah blah blah. I get there, and she is VERY affectionate, and all is going well. First red flag goes up when I have to use my laptop to do some work. I get online, so she grabs her pc, and does the same. She starts chattin' with all these guys, and gives me every excuse in the book about them. From here on out, ANY chance she gets to get online, she is, and she's talking to all these other guys right in front of me. With my spanish rather basic (she speaks english), she knows I cannot understand everything she is writing, but I do get the point. She's got 2-3 other guys she's working, just like me, and she thinks I'm too stupid to figure this out. Next red flag....Since we had met, and slept together before my arrival in Colombia, I was of course expecting "you know what" right away. This was not the case. One excuse after the next "that time of the month", then "Ohhh is THAT why you came here?", followed by "after we get married". HAHAHA, she must be on crack! Long story short with that, I got what I wanted, just not as much of it as I would have liked.
So my best guess, is she wanted to marry me, and would say anything she thought I wanted to hear, so she could get a passport. Why she played her cards the way she did I do not know. Had she "you know what"'d the shieet outta me, and ignored her other bf's for the one week, who knows where we would be today.
These were just SOME of the things that went wrong between us. She lied to me about...umm pretty much everything. Stupid little stuff too.
Either way, I caution the next guy who ends up in my situation......Luckily I lost no money, as I had never sent her plata (nor had she asked), and my trip was VERY inexpensive, and I truly had a good experience there (not withstanding the woman problems.)
I would visit Colombia again in a second, but if I'm going to get involved with another Colombian woman, I'll be sure to be VERY selective, and I suppose very suspicious (not that I wasn't to begin with). Once bitten twice shy right?
In the end, my Colombian experience was incredible, and I hope everyone gets the opportunity to visit, and explore the country.
What I'm curious about Is what a poor girl from Colombia was doing in St. Martin?
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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 16, 2007, 16:54:
Glad you had a (mostly) good time and saw new and interesting things.
FYI, the gasoline cans you saw along the side of the road probably contained gas that was smuggled from Venezuela. In Venezuela it sells for some crazy subsidized price like ten cents a liter. Nice little arbitrage opportunity.
I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.
You sound like a brave and outgoing traveler. It's good to learn that you had a good time in Colombia despite that you are a gringo and that the girl was not to your expectations?
Many Colombian women nowadays have several candidates to choose from online or from the list of cyber friends they have built over the months from chat sections on the Internet. Just like guys do also!
They are very careful when it comes to choosing a long term candidate and they are VERY jealous!
I think that when you pulled your laptop to do your work, she thought you had someone else in mind, so she decided to continue the chat sections with her friends or the other candidates who have been waiting online. Both of you had a mutual distrust based on past dating experiences or either both had concrete expectations of the future or the outcome… She read you intentions or the motives of your visit to Colombia and you read her intentions or her goals? You, on the other hand, had a preconceived idea the way the relationship was going to turn out, and your idea was based on biased stories shared by pbh members who had fiasco encounters with a woman in Colombia.
My two cents advise, On your next visit, do not read the stories posted on pbh by members who have failed in a relationship because their fiasco personal stories are going to affect your expectations and do not use your laptop while trying to conquer a pretty colombiana.
Buen Apetito, enjoy la cocina colombiana,
Monpirri
"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup
no your wrong... I had full intentions of developing a relationship with her, and trying to make her happy. She on the other hand, was not 100% into me from the beginning. Your absoloutely right when you say she had different candidates, and probably wants to choose the right one, but as for me being jaded, or biased....not true. I am 100% completely open minded, and unfortunately, I was probably a little too trusting. I thought what she was telling me was the truth, when in actuality she was telling other guys the SAME THING, right in front of my eyes.
She did not feel threatened by my laptop. She saw I was not online talking with girls, and I was going work, but it opened the door for her to get on hers as well.
The gas was not necessarily smuggled, as ALL the gas stations were like this!
Great Story To often on here you hear stories about guys who have went through your ordeal and still believe the Colombiana loves only them. You on the other hand seem to have had your eyes wide open and your head screwed on straight. In my opinion what you lost in your love affair you gained immensely in experience. You saw how many poor Colombians suffer with no help from their government. I wonder if or how many of these poor Colombians are Rebel sympathizers? What were their views on Colombia and their President? What you experienced in your little time in Colombia many people never experience in a lifetime. I am glad to hear a fellow Canadian had the presence of mind to visit Colombia and see this country for himself. And happy again that you are not going away with a sour taste in your mouth about this great country. If you ever come to Medellin email me and I will try and introduce to some really nice women where live. There is good and bad here just like in Canada. I cannot take exception at women here in Colombia who are fortunate to have good looks and will trade their looks at a chance for a better life in North America and so on. You obviously will not be her ticket out of Colombia.
Thanks for post it was a great read.
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Long distance relationships are... long distance relationships. I think this was the problem. Is nothing to do with the fact of your girlfriend is colombian. I used to have a few stories with girls from Germany and Spain via Internet. And I know lot of people who are involved with girls/guys from other countries...and trust me, in the 90 % it doesn't work. Is simple: the distance kills the love and passion. You can't know a person sending mails or via MSN. The only way to know someone is the human touch.
Thanks for share your travel with us. I ever said that travel is a very fast lesson of life. Tell me, what about the canadian women ? looks so nice like Avril lavigne ?
Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati)
Good post setting the record straight on how the Colombianas play the gringos. Follow Morph's example and just bang 'em in the stabbin' cabin. The classic hump and dump.
Best of All You didn't Send The Monthly Remittance Checks or Moneygrams via Western Union to pay for the "Nurse" for the sick Grandmother or Mother or whatever else the "Need" of the month may be. This is a common ploy and in actuality the money is used for Credit Card Payments or maintaining the Colombian Novio. Nice Story,,,Enjoyed it,,,
Rubito-can't blame the guy for staying at a Hotel! I think this was smart as he had privacy and the whole family wasn't watching his every move.
Proud Canadian-to do a fast Fact check on the next woman's intentions you meet, ask her how she would feel if You MOVED to Colombia instead of her living in Canada if you and her were ever to get married,,,her answer to this will speak Volumes on her true motives, believe you me,,,
No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska
I worked in Aruba for a long time and the "working girls" mostly come from Colombia and can only stay ninety days. Then they have to leave for a year. There is a circuit they follow and I believe St. Martin in part of the rotation.
I am not saying she was a "working girl". It is a possibility.
Also I have used Miami Mikes suggestion of falling head over heels in love with Colombia and never wanting to live in the USA again. The true colors do surface...and quickly!
t
Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"
LPDiver When I worked in the Merchant Marine The Vessels used to stop in the port known as Balboa before we transited the Panama Canal on the Pacific entrance and the "Girls" who worked at Gloria's Casa in this port city were all from Colombia also. I have to question how that girl PC met was able to acquire that Laptop Computer when there wasn't running water in the Casa,,,
No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska
I have been wondering the same thing many of you guys have asked. How does a poor girl end up in St Maarten, has a laptop, and presumably speaks ok English?
Proud Canadian, I am glad to hear you had an ok time in Colombia. I am sorry your gf did not turn out to be what you expected, but to be fair, there are women like that all over the world. Many guys on this forum have gotten screwed over by Colombianas, other just screw colombianas, but there are also many who can tell you that their Colombian wives-Gfs are simply wonderful. Good luck next time.
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill
Good story and shows a side Proud Canadian - Good story thanks for sharing. As mentioned by others, not all of Colombia is that way. I remember once taking a photo of a guy delivering milk fresh from the cow and in milk cans. This was in my small town. My now sister-in-law got upset. Knowing that I write for American publications she said to me, "No, you can't send that and write about it. Americans will think that we all get our milk that way."
When I researched for an article on international dating I found that you actually have a 15% or less chance of finding someone worthy of marriage. However, when you do find them, it seems (unless they are Russian) that you have a very good chance of a happy marriage. Most of the happy couples I interviewed said that honesty was the biggest factor. The advise of many was that if you catch the other person telling you just one lie, then it is time to move on. The happy couple also give the long distance relation a big part of the credit for their happiness as it makes them really discuss things and learn about each other for several months.
Proud Canadian - there are many beautiful and intelligent women in Colombia. Do not let that one influence your thoughts of all Colombian women.
By the way, how old are you if you do not mind me asking? I hear different experiences based upon different ages.
BTW: Elmo's point about Colombianas finding gringos physically repulsive is a point worth any of us taking on board.
Before I became a typical married slob in the suburbs, I took immense care of myself bodywise. I looked obviously much fitter than 90% of my peers. And it didn't do me any harm at all in Colombia. None whatsoever.
Before you take that trip down to Colombia, factor in some gym, running and swimming as part of your planning. You'll, as is axiomatic, look and feel better. You may not go in as Brad Pitt, but you won't be Shrek either.
"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang
Never underestimate their capacity for stupidity. "So my best guess, is she wanted to marry me, and would say anything she thought I wanted to hear, so she could get a passport. Why she played her cards the way she did I do not know. Had she "you know what"'d the shieet outta me, and ignored her other bf's for the one week, who knows where we would be today."
Actually, it's not stupidity... it's simple ecocentricism: if she had thought it through, she'd have played it right.
You're lucky she's not that experienced yet. She will be soon enough.
My parents treat my bf in a quite ambivalent way. My mom checked on his passport to make sure he was not married or had any criminal convictions, they never talk to him other than in Spanish because they know full well he can't speak it. They take him out for fancy dinners everyonce in a while and my dad has a kick out of getting him tipsy with scotch, and then making fun of him. They are also planning on paying for his and my holidays this coming December, so if anything, my bf has had it as tough as Jesus trying to convince the jews he was the Messiah...How do you explain that elmo?
BTW I must be a terrible woman cause i have never been to a motel, I dont have 300 family members, I dont need a passport, and I have pulled the "Im in those days of the month" card, when I really freaking am.
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill
There is a lot of wisdom in what Elmos says. Lets all be realistic about this. At the end of the day though, this would be typical of any girl in a poor country and it is a time homoured practice of ancestry throughout the world. No one can blame any girl and her family for wanting to marry into a richer and more affluent family.
Its all a trade off......even if its a girl from our own respective country.
And what are we after ? Well, we get a good looking girl who will produce our kids. Thats what we are after. Its just another transaction in the business of life.
The moral of the story is Polish up your acts and you could earn any woman´s heart. If you get rejected once in a while what the hell, when a door closes many others open up.
Good thing Proud_Canadian do get over it without resentments toward any group of women.
They sell different color gas and of a much better quality.
No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas
To answer some questions.... Thanks to everyone for taking the time to read about my experience. I'm so glad I've been able to share my experience with so many of you, that helped me in preparing for my trip. (THANKS AGAIN SO MUCH TOM!!) The version I posted was a VERY abbreviated version. There were many other things I could go on about, but decided, if I made it any longer, I'm sure it would have scared most people away.
I am 26 years old.
I'm confident that she has the laptop from her other boyfriend "Albert" in St.Maarten. She did not have one upon her return home for a few months, and then WHAM, one day she does. She claims it is her cousins, but after being there, I know it's hers. Everything is registered to her, ect..
The house has no running water, because A)There is no plumbing B)No houses in the Villa did. They all have Sisterns outside their houses, and that is their water supply used for bathing, dishes, drinking, and laundry (which is done by hand)
She was in St.Maarten working. She is also Venezuelan...she has duel citizenship.
I stayed at a hotel by my choice, and once I got there I am SOO glad I did. At least it had running water (albiet 100% cold!! bbrr!). I did spend one night at her place though. Had I wanted to spend each night there, it would not have been a problem, but keep in mind the entire house was maybe 500sqft. A tiny house. How am I suppose to get my grove on in that!? :P
Just to clarify, I DO NOT think that all Colombianas are like this at all. I do not consider this a "mark" against Colombian women, or the Country. I simply wanted to share MY experience, as I have learned many helpful things from this site, and wanted to give back what I could.
If I could write this story the way I wantED, it would be with her madly in love with me, and us planning a life together....but as we all know, that is just NOT how it turned out, so, whatcha gonna do. I have come to terms with it, and that is fine.
Without the relationship I had with her, I would never had the opportunity to Visit Colombia the way I did. She was my personal translator, tour guide ect while I was there. I could NOT have had the experience I had, without her, so for that I am thankful. I just wish she hadn't misled me the way she did.
That's ok though....I believe in a thing called "Karma", and what goes around, comes around.
Esanch, that does not matter. I used to believe that this stuff happened precisely because american men often go to depressed areas for booty. But truth is, poverty does not make anyone a social climber and a cold gold digging whore. If anything, it is poorer people who tend to be prouder and tougher. Dad's wont often just let their daughters go out with guys and are extremely concerned about education and getting an honest job in order to look after the family. So it does make me wonder, and I cant help but often fall for the stereotypical "gringo bobo" explanation. If I see a girl with great tits and tight ass struting her stuff all over the place...chances are shes a skank, why would any man want to do something other than nail her no string attached? Honestly, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out. I have read soooo many stories about men complaining of horrible colombianas breaking their hearts yadda yadda...but why? Perhaps because they went for the puta-looking one, everyone wants to fuck and nobody wants to marry? And those are found in every estrato...
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill
elmo, I just sent you mi picture. I am wearing my dominatrix outfit, no booty this time. Send me yours and ill think about it. Hope to hear from you before i have to run home :)
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill
Three Cheers for Proud Canadian I seen some of his pics and this guys got balls.
I can't Imagine not speaking spanish, having very little experience with colombia and getting on a plane and flying to the para military heartland Cucuta.
He arrived totally on the fly in bogota got around with his pad and pen and then flew on to cucuta and lived in the barrio with his girl.
I think proud canadian lost the girl but he deserves the PBH Big Balls Award.
this post should be marked for all other would be gringos in chase of the women of their dreams. But take into consideration that these women are just looking to improve their lives "low estrata" and others are trying to land the trophy, a gringo "upper estrata".
I must say you have some phuckin balls going to Cucuta which is high risk due to guerilla activity. Many of you need to take heed to Elmo's rules and also analyze your own motives of going to a foreign in search for the love of your life. The fact that you are young and her lack of experience in this field workt out to your advantage. If she was an expert at her profession, you would've been posting threads like "how to get my reina to Canada" or some other cupid driven post.
I say you need to thank you lucky stars that this girl was only after getting out of colombia and didn't have any milicious intentions or you would've been replacing John Pichao "escaped from captivity" and holding long conversations with the americans in capitivity and learning french by no other than Ingrid Betancourt. She could've easily sold you for some pesos to Las Farc. So don't judge the girl as a bad person rather a product of her environment. She is just using the only ass-ets she has to get out of poverty. Call her and say thank you for such a blast, even send her a few pesos for a bonus..consider it a propina.
If I were you I would stay in contact with her. After all, she helped you experience one of the best travels in your life and you can tell this story to your grandchildren about how once upon a time granpa canuck went down to ColOmbia to score..jajja..She could've been your grandma..jjajajajj
Dude, I am not sure if I am glad that you didn't get reeled in by the colombiana or should I applaud you for not falling head over heals, and spending your earnt money getting her here. If she would've greeted you at the airport with a nice blow job, it would of been a rap.jajjajaja...you know it buddy...close call...
Anyway, my hat goes out to you and thanks for sharing such a incredible adventure. And thank your lucky stars that you arent in the amazon crying why the hell did I come to this place. jajajja... Definitely call her and stay in touch with her. Let her know your on to her game and it was fun that you aren't a typical gringo that is going to sponsor her. She will respect you for your honesty and might want you to bang you some more this time with no intentions of getting a one way ticket. Besides, you can also use her as a travel guide if you decided to go back to colombia..
BTW, where did she learn english..Her environment appears to be very poor. Again great post...I sure the dude that bought her the laptop will be posting her soon, saying that he has found the love of his life in Cucuta, Colombia..jajjajaj...poor guy..hey better him than you...:)
I would first like to thank PBH, for providing me the platford and opportunity to accept this award. Without it, I would have been walking into my trip COMPLETELY blind. As well, I would like to thank my friend Tom, for all his SOUND advice, reccomendations, and help. Lastly I want to thank everyone who has posted on BPH, for sharing their thoughts and experience, as well as EVERYONE who has replied to my post. I have learned a LOT from my experience, as well as from your replies. I hope this thread never dies, and people continue to learn, and share from it.
Thanks for the Award! I will cherish it, and show all my friends!
PC......one way for posting photos got to tinypic.com
click on the browse button
locate and click on the photo stored on your computer
hit the upload button
when finished tinypic should show a thumbnail photo of your photo
click on the "copy" button to the right of the HTML for Websites button, which blue highlights the text inside
Use your mouse to right click on the blue text, and select copy from the dropdown menu
go to the PBH Post New Comment box like you would normally post some text there, click inside the comment section with your left mouse, then right click inside the comment box, and select paste from the dropdown menu.....the html text is put inside...then when you upload the text, the photo will display...you can also confirm the photo is there by using the Preview Comment button to the left of the Post Comment button...
however, no outhouse photos...dont want Elmo to get excited now, do we?
Just my opinion...
Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!
RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.
Wait a minute... How the hell do you check a passport to determine criminal and matrimonial history? Inquiring minds want to know!
Sounds like your boyfriend is one smart mf. Getting an Colombianas parents to foot the bill for vacations and fine dining.
And that time of the month chit don't hold water in my house. My paisa bride tried that...once. I threw a towel on the bed and explained that there was a shower with hot water five steps away.
If she ever dumps me I'd love to meet your folks...
T
Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"
Props for miamimike and cerealkiller These posts are better than Dear Abby. Gimme feedback. I'm from the U.S. and met my colombiana this past november the old fashioned way in Cartagena. We've spent 5 weeks together since. She is a 6 first thing in the morning but a 7 when she is dressed up. At 24 years old had never spent the night away from her parents. Works 2 jobs and goes to school. Will not show her parents my gifts of "appreciation" and I have not met her parents. She has never asked me for money but I sent some once and she questioned me as to why I felt I needed to do that but was apprecative. We've talked about marriage although I'm a lifelong bachelor with no kids and am able to live anywhere in the world and she said me being in colombia would be better than her coming to the U.S. Based on these posts she is saying all the right things and doing all the right actions. What am I missing?
LPDiver My mom is weird like that and she can do wonders with a passport number. Plus he has an indefinite leave to remain in the UK, some people have to register with police every now and then, and it usually says on what grounds has your residency been granted.
My boyfriend is the most wonderful human being ever, but my parents were very concerned about the age difference I am 22 and he is in his early 30s. That is a huge deal for my parents, they have lived in Colombia for ever but that is one thing they never get used to. To them, people should marry people their own age. They are only a year apart.
In regards to them paying for our holidays, i think its my dad's way of saying "thank you" for convincing me of moving back to the UK, and making sure I am not some drunken mess -which I am, most weekends at least-
Your gf seems like a decent woman Lpdiver. I on the other hand am a disgusting, shameless little thing and had absolutely no problem with pulling pants down and saying "Fine, but if you want to hit that, it has to be just like it is now." He thought it was a gross thing to say but I am a raunchy gay old man trapped in a 22 year old woman's body and he has to live with that.
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill
Poors girl from Colombia in St Martin There are many Colombian girls employed as sex workers in places like St Martin and Aruba. Fairly easy for them to obtain temporary work visas for these locations. They learn english by spending a lot of time with tourist men.
Don Roberto, you dont seem to be missing anything. What are you looking for? Were you hoping she was a gold digger who wanted no commitment whatsoever?
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill
Proud....just a suggestion...resize your photos prior to.. uploading.....your photo file sizes are HUGE....very clear, but some people here might have problems viewing them...
..Just my opinion...
Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!
RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.
Marriage? Pull the other one, its got bells on.
Elmo, your advice was the best I've seen so far, and the most acurate.
I hate it when guys kids themselves. Give me an honest rogue than a man who deceives himself.
You guys come down looking for a hot mamacita who will go out with you cos your waving your dead presidents around the place (God knows, there is no OTHER reason why she'd have you, as elmo says, you're not Brad Pit) and then you get upset when she sets about cheerfully,carefully, methodically, and professionally removing them from you. Then you start crying that some female canine removed all your money.
What you guys want is a whore for all intents and purposes who'll do it for free. Elmo is smarter than you, and way more honest with himself: he'll get an honest lady of the evening and pay her well, and go home hungover but at least confident that he's not added to the overall dysfunctionality of Colombia too much.
But YOU. No, y'all have to lie to yourselves and tell you (and her, and everyone else) that you are "searching for the woman of your dreams". C'mon.
Marry her? Good Lord, Proud Canadian, you're 26. Which means you are not seriously thinking of marriage for another 10 years (nor should you, if you are smart), but are up for some travel and some exotic experiences. So you got it. But her life is still crap and you have added bugger all to it. You don't understand her, her culture, her language or anything remotely connected with this place, and you are a sexual tourist.
Personally I wouldnt have given you them time of day unless you'd put a ring on my finger and taken me back to Canada, where I would continue to fleece you for every cent, divorce you as soon as it was safe to do so, live a quite life for year, and then move my broke Colombiano who lives in the next town who really DOES look like Brad Pitt, except a he's got beautiful skin hovering somewhere between the colour of molasses and toffee, and settle down in Canada/United States and gradually supplant the English-speaking population by having lots of beautiful, Spanish speaking, salsa dancing kids. And I'm Scottish. :D Yeah, you know how the Scots all want to go to Canada for a better way of life. Heck, Canada IS Scottish.
You need to come to my country, lads, not Colombia. The girls are really dumb when you ply them with drink. Colombian chicks are too smart.
Colombian pal (just returned from an eye-opening trip to Alicante in Spain:
Carita...what is wrong with the women from your country? They get really drunk in Espain and then have sex with strange men on the beach. Are they putas?
Me (wearily, he didn't mean to call me a puta-by-proxy, but even so, I have to put up with the REPUTAcion of British women everywhere I go):
No, papacito. Putas are smart. Putas get paid. These poor wee tarts are broke and hungover in the morning. And no smarter.
My feeling is that our Proud Canadian is like all the other pround Canadians I know doing their sexual tourist thing: I can understand (living as I do in "real" Barranquilla and being a woman, get to hear the "real" feelings of the locals regarding foreign men.
"They come here," they tell me, with a kind of clenched fist in their voices "make whores of our women."
No one made anything of their women--if their women weren't gold digging the gringos, they'd be doing it to whoever was there and had money; it'd be the Japanese or the Brits or the Europeans or whatever that he'd be bitching about. If there weren't any rich foreigners then EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE "PUTAS" would be doing the exact same thing, except with rich Colombianos.
Who gets the very best prepagos in Colombia? The worst of the very worst, AND ironically THEY'RE COLOMBIAN: paraco and farc leaders, and the drug dealers.
Sorry, nobody 'did' anything to your women--it was already like that. Just like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, especially the poorer ones where the same thing goes on, like Russia, Ukraine, Estonia, Brazil, etc. and not only there but the U.S. has got its share of golddigging whores, so I don't know what the hell he's bitching about, as if Colombia is f***ing special or something in that regard, they're not.
Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.
Mark Twain
Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.
Mark Twain
Hey Carita why are YOU in BQ? You SAID:: Proud Canadian is like all the other pround Canadians I know doing their sexual tourist thing: I can understand (living as I do in "real" Barranquilla and being a woman."
Why are you THERE??? In love with a Latin Man taking you for everything you got? Why are you any different? Your worse if you think you are,... at least Proud Canadian knows what he wants, and has the BALLS to go and get it and not pretend he's in love with the culture and the "REAL" people and he just by chance met a girl along the way.
I've seen more than one misguided gringa on the arm of a colombiano. And you know he's probably got a better chance of his girl being faithful than any other MAN in colombia being faithful to a gringa.
Just be honest with yourself,
because were all in this together.
I have read every Comment Amazing.. There is the hard core approach Elmo which is correct and there other ways to approach these situations..
Life is a risk..Nothing is for certain but you can prevent many mistakes and the only way is by making that mistake and that is with age and wisdom..
Poor Girls are looking to get out of poverty and yes they will be desparate for survival and good chances you are getting screwed..but thats your choice for sending money and long distance relationship what do you expect for her to do with no sex of course she is going to get a piece of ass from her local boyfriend and you should do the same for yourself..unless she is into Video Sex via MSN like my GF which I won't get into..and also I do may roundtrips every two to three weeks MIA-MDE..Also marriage after only physically seeing her two times once in St.Maarten and once in Colombia come on..you got to be kidding..My GF and I are over 6 months and both agree need more time together for marriage damn straight but my gf and I are both fockin loco's we have tempers and drink we kind of similar..She loves me for that and I don't put up with bullshit.She knows she pisses me off I going down street going to have a beer and if I see a nice piece of ass I am hitting that man Married or not thats my attitude Sounds bad but it works and I have not cheated on her yet but she gives great sex all the time and we have fun together.. Somehow we get along and have a nice relationship she works and studies hard...
Internet Meetings don't work..My opinion I met mine out of the blue one night and we danced to closing and then fockin had papas because I had the munchies from drinking to much Tequila..I didn't have sex with my GF until after four dates..It was worth the wait because when we did we rocked the house..
Elmo you have hit the age now I think where you have wisdom and probably have made mistakes like me..I treat relationships much different now..Elmo you do have a hard core approach.. You must of been fucked a few times..but that is normal I have been too..Shit you learn from mistakes..which I have..
Proud Canadian.. Smart thing to make the visit and had the experience..I had a few and have gained wisdom..but even thinking of marriage or her suggesting that is crazy.. Marriage needs alot of time together physically to see how things go..
Anyways Happy Camper right now but life changes..you never know..
Peace out Memorial Day my GF and I rockin the house down in Medellin ..GF and I are party animals and hookin up my FLAT LCD I just bought and bringing down to my apartment...Damn happy..
GF and I will be 7 months now..She is happy and I am happy but I make her work man..She knows that and We both like that we work as a team together..that is a relationship..We both look out for each other..
Example: We go out if I am little broke she pays for the drinks vice versa..If I am short on some Pesos or if a bill is due many times she goes down and pays it and if she has good week at work..
Funny our first night I paid for the first bottle of Tequila and She paid for the second bottle..
Tom-Tom: This one deserves the best of Carita Why are you THERE??? In love with a Latin Man taking you for everything you got? Why are you any different? Your worse if you think you are,... at least Proud Canadian knows what he wants, and has the BALLS to go and get it and not pretend he's in love with the culture and the "REAL" people and he just by chance met a girl along the way.
I've seen more than one misguided gringa on the arm of a colombiano. And you know he's probably got a better chance of his girl being faithful than any other MAN in colombia being faithful to a gringa. Just be honest with yourself,
because were all in this together.
Carita no wonder your alone. That's a nice essay carita I got bored half way through.
I think you said you don't want a man, you hate being alone at night and really hot young latin men turn you on.
Did I get that right? If not can you try the essay again but give us the coles notes version please.
thanks and remember we're all in this together.
Tom Power
PC Glad to hear that you have taken a good experience from your trip and that your friend was a good person, tourguide, etc.
I know San Antonio (a bit) and Cucuta (a bit).. the whole cross border dynamic is very interesting and considering the way times are in the area I think your friend was at least genuine and good to you.
Most importantly you are true to yourself and cautious emotionally (although it seems she was honest in that regard too, which bodes well for whoever she does commit to). From the way you have told us your story I think you took alot from your experience and weren't trying to convince yourself of anything.
As you possibly didn't know prior to arriving, Cucuta isn't the stableist of places for a sole foreigner so you've had a look at a situation that most foreigners woudn't. Imho the family obviously aren't wealthy but they do live better than many of the tens of thousands of displaced people in the region, and have business.. her mom also gives a friendly/kind impression in the photos.
But Colombia is a fabulous place to visit and travel in for those looking for a new place to explore (as I think you have discovered).. so girl or not, go back, dive into the travel circuit and enjoy it on with the rest of the travelling crowd - it's easy to hook up with someone who has better spanish skills in the hostels.
CaritadeAngel..... So, seeing how you DO NOT know me, OR any of my motives, I am safe to say you are 100% WRONG in saying "Our hapless but Proud Canadian was just a dumb kid in search of sexual adventure. Secondly, he doesn't know what he wants."
I did NOT go to Colombia for a sex adventure. I DID know what I wanted.
I went to Colombia to visit my "girlfriend"(or so I was led to believe). SHE had misled ME. I had VERY good intentions arriving in Cucuta, of furthering our relationship, learning more about the culture, and her family, and for you to say anything different is plain ignorance.
"The only kind of man who reall poses a danger to my heart these days is a someone with that deadly mix of good humour, compassion, intelligence, and culture." You rang?
My story is a perfect example of a Colombiana preying on a gringo. I was sincere in my actions and intentions, she on the other hand was deceptive, callous, and calculated. She knew exactly what she was doing, and I KNOW, she knows it was wrong but chose to do it anyways. SHE is the one that will lose from this experience, not me.
I treated her as a woman, not as an object. Maybe that was a mistake.
We ARE all in this together.... I am about to score one point for Team Gringo.
Everyone gets who they deserve...if a man lies down like a..... doormat, then expect to be walked on......dont lay flat on the floor, then they wont walk on you....easy, huh?.....as for the money, no one forces these people to send money..they choose to send their own money...its their money, no one elses...but if a person cant figure out if they are being taken, i dont have any sympathy for them...hopefully they have the mental capacity to learn from their mistakes.....PC was smart to spend the time and effort to find out...not rely on the advice of internet posters......
Just my opinion...
Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!
RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.
to declare yourself a victim "My story is a perfect example of a Colombiana preying on a gringo."
It could be the other way around a Gringo preying on a poor woman.
Still it would be nice to read the other side of th story, I mean her points of view.
This is not the place to play victim, you did had great expectations but failed to see beforehand what could go wrong. Maybe you were a little naive, (SHE had misled ME), but to declare yourself a victim is a different history.
No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas
victim Ok, so she does not know I'm aware of her other boyfriends, and she still continues to tell me how she loves me, she wants to marry me, and be with me forever. Just the other day, she tells me she loves me ect, and that she has to go to her cousins house....then she turns around and logs onto her other msn (which she does not know I'm aware of), and what's her name? "TE AMO ALBERT".
Ya, who's the one playing who?
How can she be the victim, when I gave her the opportunity that she asked for....a better life with someone who would give her anything she wanted in life. She in turn...F at WKED me over, thinking I was too dumb to catch on to her games.
Enough about that...the idea was, I had a GREAT time in Colombia, and wanted to share my VERY REAL experience through this vehicle (PBH) because I can GUARANTEE you someone reading this HAS, or WILL go through the same thing.
People on the Internet tend to make broad assumptions based on very little information. These are often wrong, but it's not worth getting upset about it.
I enjoyed reading your experiences, Proud_Canadian. Thank you for posting it.
I have found most people ignorant about most things. I have been to Colombia three times myself, and am still pretty ignorant about Colombia. There are people that would consider this a bad thing. Perhaps only self-styled experts have the right to a valid opinion or to post in order to enlighten others. Perhaps being a self-styled expert is different from being a real one.
Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)
I have yet to find someone here on PBH that would be considered an expert on Colombia....it is all opinions only, based on either experience or perceptions....but there are alot of self-proclaimed experts here.....lots of legends in their own minds as well...=)
Just my opinion...
Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!
RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.
Thanks Tom-Tom, I want you to sleep well...
I just know how to appreciate God's artistry. I like attention from attractive guys as much as the next girl, so sue me (or show me a straight girl that doesn't appreciate it). I just know what's a genuine overture, an expression of regard, and what's a pile of bovine excrement. And I know what true love is, and what its not, and especially, how you go about creating it in your life. Turn me on? Takes more than what a woman sees to turn her on, don't tell me you didn't know that ... these guys are attractive yes. Can they turn me on? I make a distinction between the two things: certainly there are really attractive guys who are really dumb, and stupidity turns me right off. Geddit?
Privately, and this is just an observation, I think Colombianos are much better looking than pasty gringos. That doesn't mean I have to run after them like a perra en calor. There is a difference between "ok the guys down here are attractive" and jumping their bones every which way from Sunday. I have better, and more important things to do. Like write my thesis and learn a language.
Did I say I was alone? I don't live alone in Colombia. I'm a scholar. I have a life outside of Colombia and I didn't come here to hook up. I don't discuss politics or my personal life (to any great degree) on this site. I said life here could be lonely for a single foreign woman, statement of fact. My personal life is just that - personal.
Now, Tom-tom, how about that dance? I promise you I'm not the rabid dungaree-wearing, skinhead feminazi lesbian you think I am. :D
Man T - did I say I was an "expert" in anything? I told PC why I thought he was kidding himself. From this own words. But I really want to be wrong on that one. But you know very well why many gringos come down here. I don't think he's bad, just naïve. I hope he falls in love and gets married to a woman who really loves him (lord, I hope you all do) but if he's coming down here in this fashion (the way he has described it doesn't sound as though he'd ready for the hard work of marriage.
I rang -fortunately some other proud Canadian already
picked up.
But, Proud, I see that I pricked your pride. Atta boy. Dont take that kind of thing lying down. If you are a decent sort, welcome. There are too few of you down here.
But here's what lost my respect for you, and made me think you were a dumb sexual tourist, (or at least a man who needs to examine his true motivations).
I was of course expecting "you know what" right away. This was not the case. One excuse after the next "that time of the month", then "Ohhh is THAT why you came here?", followed by "after we get married". HAHAHA, she must be on crack! Long story short with that, I got what I wanted, just not as much of it as I would have liked?
Good point Angel You got what you wanted? "You know what" IS the reason (at least in part) why you came down here, by your own admission. You claim you wanted a wife. A man of honour would have dropped the issue when he saw she wasn't serious - if marriage was his true intention.
Well, it is easy to Monday morning quarterback. Maybe he was hoping he was wrong and wanted to play his hand to completion. Continuing the Monday morning quarterbacking...he should have moved on and continued his pursuit while down in Colombia.
But, not all of us think well on our feet. When you are in the middle of a mud hole is not time to put on the brakes and think about your course. Ya just gotta keep the pedal to the metal and analyse afterwards.
Personally I think an internet relationship should end up in a real life meet as soon as possible. To spend months investing emotional energy seems high risk to me. It may not even be intentional but many people portray false facades in the cyber world.
tib
Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"
Those pictures remind me of the movies Hollywood makes when the producers want to emphasize something bad is going to happen around the corner where sicarios are awaiting.
"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup
I was talking in generalities, and I know very well why some gringos go to Colombia. Not all of them do, though. When I went to Medellin I heard many paisas darkly mutter that tourists were only interested in drugs and sex. Even in Amsterdam lots of people seem able to accept that some folks visit the country for other reasons.
I did not have CA in mind when I talked about so-called experts. In retrospect she claimed considerable life experience. Doesn't everyone have life experience?
Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)
LOL Monpirri I like Proud Canadia's photos, though, he's captured a really good sense of the place. I hate walking around with a camera here (or anywhere else): feel I stand out enough as it is.
I can't take it anymore. "That paragraph was largely sarcasm."
Actually, that paragraph was largely bullshit. Give me a break Carita.
BTW - I particularly liked this bromide:
CdA: "Ignorance should never be mistaken for courage. Courage is the mastery of your fear - when you know the reality of the danger and you conquer your fear: ask Coffee Beaner about this, he was a marine, he'll tell you that the best soldiers are not the ones who aren't frightened, they are the ones who can control their fear. The psychos or ignoramouses who really have no fear put themselves and their unit in danger."
That was quite the lecture on soldiering there, Carita, especially coming from a female graduate student. Where was it that you served? Was it the Falklands in the 80's? Gulf War I? Maybe you are a returning Vet from today's hot zone?
Sorry Carita Honestly carita I didn't like how you laid into Proud Canadian for not understanding the "real" colombians like you understand them. But after going back to your posts I see you just like to ramble on and on and on and on and on and someone who talks that much really cant be held acountable for everything they say.
There's a lot of hookers in colombia and there's a lot of brothels and they're full of a lot of colombian men I find it hard to imagine that your "real" colombian girl friends are blaming the odd gringo here and there walking with a hooker for prostituting the colombian women, more likely there just telling you what you want to hear because the lonely gringa looks sad.
There are lots of different types of gringos and gringas who go to Colombia. It may surprise Carita de Angel that lots of Colombianas do not find Colombianos attractive and find gringos better looking with their blond hair blue eyes, being taller etc,for the same reason you find Colombianos attractive. You, by the way, are obviously a pasty skinned gringa, yet you diss pasty skinned gringos, (some self-loathing going on) but that is attractive to many Colombianos. If everyone liked the same person the world would be very boring not to say difficult! There are just as many Colombiana putas as Gringo putos, there are MANY completely dishonourable Colombianas and dishonourable Gringos. Colombia is not paradise it is full of people like every where else with good and base intentions, liars and honourable people, hard-working and lazy people. My Colombiana ex was the falsest person I ever met, a complete liar and selfish asshole and hypocrit but is every Colombiana like that? Of course not ...Are all gringos just intrerested in one thing of course not ?
Then you cant read Tompower...otherwise you would realise that I never said she was a hooker. I said that PC wasnt seriously thinking of marriage, wasnt in love with her, and came down here to have a good time and get laid (which he did). I never ever claimed to be an expert on Colombia - I have knowledge in some areas and not others. But I do have knowledge - a lot of knowledge - about love.
Do I go on and on? Perhaps. But least I dont ramble on about sexual conquests, like most the male posters here.
I didn't lay into PC. He was kidding himself. I could a. Maybe it will lead him to the path of his real true love (which is always the path of courage,) and maybe I will make him think. Hell, I might even make you think. I was not speaking of the men who come here to use the sex industry (a different and far more serious gripe) I'm speaking of men who come here for no-strings sexual experience, and do immense emotional harm, before trotting off back to the states to plan their next vacation (having "done" Colombia, they'd make Thailand their next stop).
There are decent foreign men here, for sure. But I dont think (and anyway the locals don't preceive them to be in the majority. As I said, I hang out with Colombians not foreigners. If you read my posts, then your would understand that I have a very serious point.
But since you don't like big words I'll sum it up.
(1) There are good foriegn men and bad foreign men, and developing countries tend to get the bad ones.
(2) I hate the activities of sexual tourists with a passion, and make no apologies for that.
Now, not every man who come here is going to be a scumbag, but for every really evil scumbag there are a dozen potentially decent young men who can do great harm because they do not think about the consequences of their actions.
Kalder, I'm not cynical, I am the worlds last incurable romatic. Which is why I believe in true love, not sexual tourism. Tompower et al are upset because deep down, they I know speak the truth. And I dare to "enter the locker room" - unlike other female posters, and challange their paradigms.
Love will continue to elude them, when it is my grasp, and the grasp of the man I love (who isn't Colombian, even though Colombian men are still very attractive).
CaritadeAngel It’s good that you liked Proud_Canadian’s photos.
Like I said some of his pictures remind me of Hollywood movies. I wonder if there are any reality pictures that he would like to share with us that would capture the same type sense of reality of his native country.
Here are more proud shots to compliment his photo exhibit.
"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup
Meh, so what, every major city has its shitholes and ghettos...
I generally agree with CA, in fact I like her she's kinda feisty and generally right (generally) so far, but I would like it if she'd go a page back and address the post I made right after hers concerning the gringos 'turning their women into whores', if she would please? Thanks, CA :)
I'm not any more fond of 40/50 year old fat pasty gringos that come down to Colombia to screw around with the poor 20-somethings who think these guys are 'rich' and/or are going to get them a visa because these poor girls just don't know any better, not anymore than you are, CA, I'm really not.
And Thailand?! Jesus, I always thought that's where the lowest of the low go, I always thought it was pediophile-land, yech....
Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.
Mark Twain
Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.
Mark Twain
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I agree with you, “Meh, so what, every major city has its shitholes and ghettos...”
I expect any foreigner; Canadian, English or whatever who post ghetto pictures of Colombia to post ghetto pictures of their country as well. It's a fair game. Don’t you think?
"Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup
Andrew Fiesty, why thank you. Its a national character trait. I thought I answered your points but I'll look at them again.
"No one made anything of their women--if their women weren't gold digging the gringos, they'd be doing it to whoever was there and had money.."
Please understand that I don't have a "thing" agaist any nationality per se. I have a problem with the activity of sexual tourism. We are all but human. It kind of hard to keep your honour when you are desperate. Allow me to illustrate.
I come from a low income background in the UK. I had to stop university twice to work to continue my studies, I remember once when I lived in Glasgow a pimp offered me a job (I was living in student accomadation near the read light district). No intercourse, just a little oral work. The money was good. I told him to go to hell. The next month, I couldn't pay my rent and was facing eviction. If that pimp had been there at that time (I had no food in the house either), I probably would have accepted his offer.
Later (in another country) a very wealthy man offered to pay all my education loans if I became his mistress. Now there were beautiful women abouding in that country - but he wanted an exotic experience and thought that he could buy it. I graciously declined his offer. But I still have the chain of student debt. If I had said yes, I wouldn't have it. Sometimes I look at my bank account and think. Damn. There was a lost opportunity.
I tell that story to my African friends and they has me why I didn't sleep with him and take his money. They also said I should have had at least one child by him to secure my future. One even said I should have had a child by him to secure my future.
Oh I have my honour. I also still have my education loans.
Now, if I had said yes, would that have made me a puta? Or a girl from a low income family trying to better myself? There are girls who sleep with different guy every weekend in my country, drunk, without knowing their name, without tenderness, affection, or sweet words. And they do it for free. This would have been just one guy. Or just a few guys.
I've faced homelessness and an empty fridge, and temptation. So excuse me while I refrain from judging other low income-girls in other countries for now. It's easy to blame the one who gives into temptation, less to blame the one who does the tempting.
When men from rich countries (or even just richer countries) use their relative wealth to secure sexual experiences, they contribute to the general desperation that poor women find themselves in. The condition of women doesn't improve because the expectation that a pretty girl can sleep her way out of poverty, or into that promotion, is always there.
Many times guys, thinking of their own pleasure, don't release that their actions contribute to the disenfranchisement of women in a society. I'm NOT a feminazi drum-beater. I think that the actions of women from rich countries - say, in Jamaica or Cuba - has the same effect. Its just that guys have more opportunities to abuse other cultures in this way and therefore more responsibility.
Who gets the very best prepagos in Colombia? The worst of the very worst, AND ironically THEY'RE COLOMBIAN: paraco and farc leaders, and the drug dealers.Sorry, nobody 'did' anything to your women--it was already like that. Just like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, especially the poorer ones where the same thing goes on, like Russia, Ukraine, Estonia, Brazil, etc. and not only there but the U.S. has got its share of golddigging whores, so I don't know what the hell he's bitching about, as if Colombia is f***ing special or something in that regard, they're not
Either do I Monpirri... 100 % agree with you Monpirri. It would be nice to see some pictures from Brixton or the Bronx. The poverty doesn't belong to Colombia...is in all the whole world.
CaritadeAngel, I like your inner beauty. Nice to see another romantic in PBH, besides me...
"Disillusion takes what illusion gives"
Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati)
Question: Are the Colombians who support the thousands of brothels in Colombia also sex-tourists? Or is it yes if they go to a whorehouse in Cartagena but live in Bogota; no if they whore around in their hometowns?
I agree with CaritadeAngel about all the dire and egregious examples of what is generally called sex slavery or human trafficking, but I don't think it's fair to tar with that brush a large group of people (foreign men) who come here largely to DATE adult women they met online who were seeking out that same attention. It's a two way street for sure. Nobody is holding a gun to the head of the Colombianas who are cruising the Internet for a way out of poverty and, on the flip side of the coin, nobody should feel too sorry for the guys who can't see the inherent problems with that kind of romance and get hurt.
More than I'm shocked by the little bit of true "sex tourism" I've seen or heard about in Colombia, I'm ASTONISHED by the widespread self-delusion of so many foreign men who think they're getting the royal treatment in Monteria or Medellin because they suddenly turned into Brad Pitt on the plane ride down or because Colombianas are somehow "different" than women in other countries.
Well written? What was well written, was the original post.
And then Carita comes along and gives the guy a big lecture, telling him he obviously doesn't want to get married. And of course she can tell that knowing only his age and nothing more. Seriously, how f..ing conceited can you get? And let's throw in mean spirited and arrogant.
For taking the time to write a refreshingly honest and engaging post, Proad Canadian really should be able to expect appreciation, not attacks and lectures.
"this may seem a strange post but it is not...when in colombia men need to be aware that colombia women may try to be seductive and entice a travelling gringo to have sex with them..to be forewarned is to be forearmed..." -- pow wow
"Who gets the very best prepagos in Colombia? The worst of the very worst, AND ironically THEY'RE COLOMBIAN: paraco and farc leaders, and the drug dealers.Sorry, nobody 'did' anything to your women--it was already like that. Just like it is in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, especially the poorer ones where the same thing goes on, like Russia, Ukraine, Estonia, Brazil, etc. and not only there but the U.S. has got its share of golddigging whores, so I don't know what the hell he's bitching about, as if Colombia is f***ing special or something in that regard, they're not
Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.
Mark Twain
CAngel When you pause to reflect on all the horrors and violations that go in the world, who could not share your outrage? But I'm not so sure you can conflate the idea of the upmarket Colombian brothels gringos tend to use with child slavery and people trafficing. In the former, as is usual in well-regulated 'houses', the girls earn very good money and are very much volunteers. The latter abomination rarely has anything to do with the former. The mass enslavement and rape of children is nothing to do with any monger I've ever met. It has far more to do with the barbarous nature of the societies that you mention in your post. Don't blame the vacationing Westerner; it's the Men of Blood who run places like India or China who should be set in your sights. All of our sights.
"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang
The problem with poor but happy This site is amazing it's the only place where a poster can get specific answers to all colombia travel concerns. However, people travel there for all kinds of reasons, from the true poor but happy travellers who backpack the entire country to the die hard sex-tourist that is one step shy of going to bangkok.
However, of the hundreds of posters here carita I'm more than certain 95% are just like me and proud canadian not quit sex tourists but definitely there for the women. Why waste time bashing and lecturing us everytime we add to this site???
Proud Canadian has brought a lot information about cucuta and specific experience about how he delt with his girl, I for one and 95% of the people here are really interested in his experience and hopefully more like him will add to this site.
Proud Canadian didn't go into a long list of all the brothels he went to in cucuta because he knows thats not appropriate he didn't want to ofend you and you shouldn't immediately lecture him or us about sex tourism. Why not be usefull here and tell us something we can use when we are travelling to barranquilla hell if you've been there two years i'd like to hear something I can use when I'm there.
Remember Carita de Angel we are all in this togther.
Tom Power
Kalder Barbarous societies? You mean like London. You know what goes on there right?
I'll sum up.
(1) The back packer in search of "no-strings fun" and the die hard sex tourist are at opposite ends of a spectrum.
(2) That is spectum that no man should be on.
(3) No little girl grows up thinking "when I grow up, I wanna be a hooker, just like my mummy". Volunteers? "No other viable option" is probably nearer the mark. Thats not volunteering.
Now I am very sure that there are some women in the sex industry who are there because they really enjoy have lots of sex with strange men. Its a funny old world out there and such a sexuality probably exists. But what are the odds of it in all cases. There are prostitutes who have more choice and a better class of clientelle than others. Prostitution is still a form of slavery (not the ONLY form of exploitation, mind you).
Tompower:
I am not an expert on Colombia. I AM an expert on development, or at least hope to be one day (I don't like that word anyway) and I have been in Barranquilla two months not two years. But I have spent a long time in the developing world, and when I was in developed world I spent my time in public advocacy or in academic study on law and development - in South Korea, a country famous for the scale of its industrialised sex industry, human trafficking, and sexual tourism (men who come to "teach English" for $2000 dollars a month and spend it playing Korean girls or in the pink-light district, and make a bad problem worse).
I can't tell you anything you would want to know about Barranquilla. There are several hundred thousand internally displaced people here, some of whom I work with, and most of the young women amoung them are at risk from sexual exploitation. I get out to see them, to go to church, and to swim. I work like a dog. I'm NOT a tourist. What could I tell you? My experience of Barranquilla is the people I live and work with, not the city per se.
In general:
I think Proud Canadian's post was interesting, as were his photos, and his post useful. But he was decieving himself on the marriage issue, and for that I called him, and I also challanged his motivations for coming down, as I will do, and continue to do, when you guys make it clear you view Colombia or any other developing country as your playground. What the locals do here is another matter.
We are speaking of your attitudes. I understand why you might be pissed off that someone is questioning the actions of some of the men here. My job is to make people think. Its what I do for a living. Do I look like I give a rodent's rectum whether Tom thinks I am lecturing? I'm annoying him - that means I'm getting close to the bone. Good.
Also many of you are hypocrits. As an experiment, I posted that I thought Colombian guys were attractive (not that I was chasing them, not that I was sleeping with them). The response... yup, ridicule. Its ok for the lads to wax lyrical on how hot and "playable" the "local" girls are, but God forbid that one of your own women should even think of dating - or even appriciating - Colombianos. The brazen hussy.
Wake up and smell the coffee lads. Your actions here, and in other parts of the developing world DO have consequences. And you will be better lovers, better human beings, better MEN, if you learn this when you are young, and remember it when you are old.
The Lesson Today was taken from 2 Chronic Tales, Chapter 9 verse 16.
Here endeth the Lesson.
hey C/A Colombia has a lot of problems that can,t be fixed easily.There is of course prostitution.I feel bad for anyone who has to earn a living that way but the sad fact for manny ladys that do, is that if they did,nt they would be reduced to begging which im sure is no better.
Not every foriener going there is in search of a big sex fest.In my first visit i wanted to go somewhere different that was,nt americanized.Having said that i did meet forieners down there that do meet as manny different ladys as they can with im sure no interest in a relationship other than a quick sexual one.I guess i feel that adults are adults and what they choose to do is not my business nor for me to judge.Pedophiles are a different story and a complete waist of human skin.Most of the ladys i met there were intelligent and had morals and hounor...not the type to just jump in the sack at the first encounter.By my standards they did not have a great deal but this certainly made them no less valuable as people.Of course there was the other type as well but i did not judge them or the people who use there services.There are also lots as well that would marry a complete stranger just for a green card but they too i believe are a minority.
As far as pasty gringo,s are concerned...not every forien visiter fits that description either.Not everyone is fat ...or bald..or bleached white...im non of that and after two weeks in the sun im darker than my wife.I have blond hair and no doubt do stick out a little down there as i don,t look colombian.Im also in good shape and exercise and have a fairly muscular frame.I had no problem meeting ladys and all the ones i met i treated with respect.
I did encounter a number of colombian men who said they had four or five ladys on the go....hold on...what am i saying ...that can,t be correct...im the foriener so i must be the bad guy...right.
A good friend of my wife got pregnant from a colombian guy down there and fell of the face of the planet as soon as he found out.He won,t even take a phone call from her.I felt bad for her as she will get no help from him and has no job or income at this time.Seeing the tears in her eye,s is too much.I have been paying for her medical exspenses/utra sound...and bought her some maternity cloths and vitimin supplements and have been making sure she is eating well....hey..wait a minite..thats not right...im a foriener so i must be an a hole...
Note- most of the colombian men i met are better people than this and i believe this one is also in the minority.
A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams
Can't you READ Carita? Something usefull. I'll give you an example:
MAR SOl is a bus service that runs an hourly van service from cartagena to barranquilla then to santa marta.
They use mercedes benz vans that are all very new, they seat no more than 13 people. They are a very organized and an impressive service. What you do is call them give your name and number and where you are, my experience with them is only cartagena to barranquilla and return but I'm certain the service is excellent all the way to santa marta. If for example you are in the hotel dan carlton in the Laguito, you call and reserve your time for the next available bus they run every hour from 6am till 4 pm to barranquilla/santamarta. The van comes to your hotel and they go around cartagena picking everyone up then they stop at the cartagena office near the airport and then they leave on the costal highway to barranquilla when they arrive at barranquilla they drive a route around the city to drop people off, they dont go all the way south in barranquilla they'll drop you off at a point as far south as they go, in cartagena they won't go any farther from the center than pie de la popa (where the monastery on the hill is). If the van is leaving the cartagena office at 6 am they start picking people up at 5am if you call they'll say like be ready at 5:30 am . They always show up i've never been stiffed and i've used them dozens of times. Sometimes if the passangers are from all over cartagena they'll pick you up in a taxi and the taxi will take you to the office where you'll board the van before going to barranquilla.
Best of all it only costs 19,000 pesos and these guys know the highway they fly through the security and speed traps never longer than 1 hour and 15 minutes to get to barranquilla.
I know they're good because all the other van services try and steal their passengers. There's a home depot at the pie de la popa and sometimes when I'm waiting there for the mar sol van the caribe van(another service) will come by and say mar sol sent them for me and its bull shit. Mar Sol is great and a great price, why use a private car for 120,000 pesos they actually take longer sometimes.
Here's the numbers for the mar sol office in barranquilla:
3683272 3694228 3008083147 3135450004 3736425 3574265
their address is calle 93 # 47-13 their right up from the McDonald's
Here's the numbers for the Mar Sol office in Cartagena:
6564192 3008056659 their office address in cartagena is crespo cll. 70 no. 6a/120 When you walk out of the airport in cartagena theres a main street in crespo i don't know its name but you just walk one block to the right and their office is on the sea side of the street, once again walk directly out the airport to the main crespo road and turn right walk one block and you'll see the mar sol office on the right hand side.
The Mar Sol van service between Cartagena-Barranquilla-Santa Marta is Tom Power approved.
Trust Me we ARE all in this together even you Carita
Wow, I think Rubito just laid it out better than anyone has so far--your comparison of prostitution with slavery is an absolute joke; prostitution involves a product, supply, demand, and economy just like...well, pretty much any other product: The people that demand it are happy to pay the price, and something you really need to get is that THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPLY IT ARE HAPPY TO DO SO FOR THE RIGHT PRICE.
They were NOT forced, not even close. Unless we're talking about people PHYSICALLY forced, at the end of a gun, with a whip, or chained up on board a friggin ship, we are NOT talking about slavery.
Rubito, when I was talking about the poor Colombianas earlier, I wasn't talking about working girls, necessarily, and I realize that the ones that have to do that to eat are a very very small percentage of the population, but I do feel sorry for them regardless.
Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.
Mark Twain
Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.
Mark Twain
The slave trade is just economics like drugs and arms dealing, bananas and coffee. And since ancient times it has always had a sexual element to it: or don't you read? Silly question.
You need to pay for sex Rubito? Wow. Thats a big admission. I think you are the one who should get the PBH big-balls award for that.
I have never said a word against sex workers. I have a problem with their clients. Once again, unable to offer a shred of logic to defend your actions in a developing country, you clutch at straws.
I know the sex trade is just supply and demand in the end. Maybe more than you do, honeybun, given that I've studied its economics closely. Guess which end I have more of a problem with, Rubito.
Supply or Demand?
Go on. I'll give you three.
I never said a word against these women. But against you, oh yes, bring it on, baby. I'm ready for ya. In my view, men use the services of prostitutes out of sheer cowardice or laziness. Why women are in the sex trade is another matter, Rubito, and you know it.
I don't have any respect for you Rubito, or any "man" (or woman, there are some) who pays for sex. But you are absolutely right in one respect: I have no experience of paying for sex. I'd never pay a man for anything I should have got for free. I've got my dignity. Did yours take a walk today or what?
Tom and Loid, y'all need to try harder than that.
Wow. We ARE racking up the emotional pot-shots: bitter, feminazi, insecure, (look in the mirror sweetie) golddigging, leftist, and now...frustated! BRAVO! You nearly got ALL the chiches from
"Insults and Inuendo: Language to use when you're a dumb shmuck who can't cope with a smart lady".
But you STILL haven't accused me of being a lesbian, you missed one.
"this may seem a strange post but it is not...when in colombia men need to be aware that colombia women may try to be seductive and entice a travelling gringo to have sex with them..to be forewarned is to be forearmed..." -- pow wow
Gringo did you write the content for nomarrige.com or what?
1. Gringas are argumentative, and demanding. always trying to prove they're right.
No dude, that's lawyers.
2. Preoccupied with fairness.
That would be decent human beings. And ethical lawyers.
3. Use sex as a weapon, whether it be for punishment or reward.
I'm sorry you never had a wonderful woman like me who never uses sex as a weapon. I prefer to communicate and I hate manipulation. Like most decent human beings. But hey, you are bitter frustrated and insecure right?
4. Gringas are generally less mentally stable than latinas.
Show me the stats. And you have obviously never dated a Korean woman (try it, just for comparison's sake). Or read Pow-Wows posts for the latin Angle. Depends on how you were raised, honey. How were YOU raised?
5. Gringas argue from a standpoint of having their minds already made up, and then twist the facts around to fit their delusion.
My arguments are logical. Yours are not. I rest my case.
6. Gringas are not raised with the values and skills to know how to make a relationship work.
My relationship is working jsut fine. My mother raised me with traditional Scottish values. I know how to love. But since you are a player you do not. Playing is NOT a relationship. Get it?
7. From the time they are toddlers, they have an anti-white male bias planted into their heads.
Well my fiance is a big tall white North American male so I think that is bovine excrament, my friend.
The only one who' is bitter and frustrated - and bigoted - is you. You poor thing. Who ever she was, she must have really hurt you. Not only are you insecure, you also have a big chip on your shoulder.
Let it go Gringo. Just love. If only you'd try it, you would see how wonderful it was.
Here's the crux of what I'm saying, if you could wave a magic wand and make the DEMAND for prostitution disappear, the great majority of prostitutes would want to KILL you, they don't want that.
If you hate prostitution, the ADULT women who do it VOLUNTARILY are JUST as 'guilty' as the men. If you think the men, the demand, are more to blame you really are a femi-nazi psycho...
What they're doing is the best thing they know to do, given their situation, and taking away the demand would be detrimental to them, they obviously know that a lot better than you do. No one forced them into it (not the kind of prostitutes we're talking about, adult and voluntary), they decided it was the best option given their circumstances, and neither you nor anyone else has the right to try to force them to do anything else--like i said, if you could wave a magic wand and eliminate the demand, that would be the WRONG thing to do because you're trying to force your opinion of what they should or shouldn't be doing, of what is or isn't good for them, onto them and you haven't the right.
Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.
Mark Twain
Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.
Mark Twain
Canadian with Colombian family I want to take a moment to defend my Colombian family. I'm a Canadian man who is married to a wonderful Colombian woman. My wife is from a wonderful family that is loving, caring, well educated and are proud Colombians. The country of Colombia faces many issues that many of us Canadian's can not even imagine. There are legions of well intentioned Colombian people that have never known a peaceful, safe society and they struggle for survival on a daily basis. On the other hand there are also many that are worldly, educated, hard working successful Colombian's.
It is is easy for us Canadians to view the world from our perspective passing judgement on people so different from you and I that its likely you would not want to a survive a week in their shoes.
This being said it angers me when we paint a whole country of people with an ugly red brush based on your experience with a few individuals.
In my wife's family there are a dozen cousin's that all have university educations many of them obtained in the US or Europe. They have professions ranging from international marketing to doctors and engineers. They speak many different languages and have travelled the world. Even though they have a vastly superior education to me many of them still struggle to make ends meet due to the climate of having grown up in a country struggling through a civil war.
In a country such as Colombia you will most certaily find a group of people that will take advantage of you but I can find worse in downtown Vancouver.
My family in Colombia is a wonderful, caring group of people and I'm proud and feel privledged to have them as part of my life.
Rubito, My undergrad degree is in Sexual Healh Promotion. Don't lecture me on safe sex. I wrote the book. And then spent a year on a government health helpline explaining it to teenagers.
I would say the focus on your relationship is sex - not a person - if what you say is true.
Sexual technique isn't everything, though its important in a good relationship. Being a good lover depends on the emotional quality of what you are giving and what you are getting (and of course one of the things that love - real erotic love - does is obliterate the distinction between giving and receiving, I'm sorry you'll never experience that).
But each to his own. You have convinced me. You have my deepest and most profound apologies for ever doubting you. I now want to be a sex worker, Rubito. You have convinced me that its MUCH more fulfiling than a happy, exclusive marriage with a man who really loves me and doesn't want to be with anyone else.
But we are not speaking of the millions Of trafficked sex workers, and little girls, are we, here? When we talk about using condoms. Trust me. Those girls have NO say. Such as sex workers in India. Whom I have met, and you have not.
There is a strong correlation between prevelance of HIV/AIDs, and countries with industrialised sex industries. So wrap that one around you. In latex.
Magick with a k eh? Just a fetish, my friend. A fetish isn't a person. You are still focusing on the act - in and of itself.
And I'm not belittling you. Your money goes to fund an evil industry which harms women, children and if you would only see it, men (like yourself). Belittle you? No. You are way to smart for that.
I'm not taking up cudgels against CaritadeAngel because her good faith, confidence and chutzpah are adornments to this jaded old talking shop. But as much as I'm relishing her presence here, I must say that I totally disagree with her thesis concerning the nature of the sex industry. He may be a berserk viking, but IMHO Rubito knows what he's talking about on this one. As far as I'm concerned, the big fellah understands sex and sexuality.
"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang
Carita I'm glad you took my advice and started shortening up your posts at least now I can read them without falling asleep.
Remember. we're all in this together
Last year a couple of friends and me went to Pereira. We went clubbing, had a little too much to drink and the taxi driver took us to a whore house on the way home, because that is part of the "tour". I went in to see what it was all about, I had never been in a whorehouse in my life. Turns out the distinguished clientele was pretty much between 40 and 60 yrs old, many of them were foreigners.
The girls in the place were underaged, most of them. I asked them how old they were and they always said they were 18 or 19... their bodies were clearly not fully developed, they had their tiny boobs, tons of make up, and high heels, it was the most decadent show I have ever seen in my life. It made me think of when I used to wear my mother's clothes as a child, how can men can get turned on with that shit? In addition, we were driven around a park where grown up women sell and rent their little children. Do you really think these children even bother to inquire about condoms? Once they are a little older they might, but for 10 thousand pesos most will do it without a condom.
One of the reasons why AIDS figures are so low resides in the fact that no one will take an HIV test. Ever. There is no such thing as an anonymous HIV test in Colombia. In order to get tested you have to agree that your details are put in a national database. I dont think many people would agree to do that, especially ho's.
I am fine with people wanting to fuck around, but why does it have to be through a bloody monetary transaction? Thats promoting prostitution and misery. I have yet to meet a rich puta who has become wealthy just as a result of hooking. There are tons of people who enjoy sex for the sex's sake, why not just fuck them if what you want is to get off with someone?
Id feel pretty damn miserable paying someone to do me. If I were a guy, I just wouldn't be able to do it, just the thought of having sex with someone who's had a lot of others in her before (with or without a condom) on the same week or even hours before me grosses the heck out of me.
Also, what is the point of sex without the flirting and the pursuit? I think that is probably one of the coolest things about sex. Not being certain that you'll get some. But once you go "okay, tonight ill buy sex" or "Ill be in medellin next week, gonna buy tons of sex" doesnt it become just as boring as "Ill buy that pint of milk I need for my cereal?"
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill
hurrah for CartidaAngel the more I read Cartida Angel the more I agree with her, The deepest and most erotic love, in my experience and the several lovers I have had the pleasure to share it with, stems from a deep emotional bond of love. That cannot, in my opinion, be achieved by a one-night stand (i know from expereince) and cannot, in my opinion, be achieved through monetary transaction of sex, though I cannot cite any experience in the matter, and never will, not that legally it is a bad thing etc.. etc....
CartidaAngel, I suggest you stop taking this forum seriously, it seems to be filled with many sexed-up defensive guys who insult you because they have no other tools to use against your obviously educated words. You studied hard and deserve better. I assume I will get insulted for posting my opinion in this way, but this is the internet, alas, where people can do and say as they please, and where reality does not have a hold.
Rubito, how many prostitutes are there in Colombia? I am not talking off my ass. If everybody did what is REQUIRED by law in colombia, the country would be a paradise. Truth is these requirements are seldom met because most hookers work clandestinely or are not old enough.
There might be some hookers who are registered but the great majority, are not "professional" putas hooking up in whore houses. There have been tons of studies about that in Colombia, just read Ministerio de Salud's reports, just because youre out in the street paying putas to have sex with you doesnt mean that you know tons about it. I am sorry Rubito but you claim to know everything about Colombia just through your limited personal experience and that in my book is not a significant contribution to real knowledge.
You say you know several putas who have their own houses and stuff, but are the vast majority of them well off? Are most enjoying their jobs? Putas in Colombia get raped, killed and thrown out of their houses every day, and most dont report it because they know nobody will do shit for them. Dont come telling me its a perfectly acceptable profession because in Colombia -which is what matters here, not your personal opinion on the issue- prostitution is the worst thing that could happen to any one.
I am cool with your opinions man, if you like it you like it. It is not a personal attack against you. But thinking that "requirements" and "several putas" is enough to represent safety for clients and economic/social security for putas is quite unrealistic.
In regards to not knowing if these girls were underaged or not. I know they were underaged because the whorehouse was closed by the police on the day we left pereira and it was a huge thing, it was on El Tiempo and everything, turns out that most were underaged, there were 14 year old girls in that place. It was a really sad thing to hear. Not surprising though. Generally speaking, in eje cafetero a girl who 20 is already considered old.
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill
I had to get in on this one CA I think you're showing your anti-male colors. You talk about sex as though it were a dirty word and every man is an old pervert looking to spoil an innocent, unsuspecting, helpless little girl.
I wonder, what do you think of Bill and Monica? Was it a rich powerful man taking advantage of a poor unsuspecting female? Or was it a harlot getting her game on with a man of power?
I was living in Atlanta when good-old-boy Newt was preaching impeachment and family values. That was, until he fell for a choir girl about 15 years his junior. Who's on your "balls nailed to the wall" on this one? The old fart who's unable to shrug the natural instinct to procreate with attractive young women . . . oops, did I let the cat out of the bag? I'm sorry, it's true. Men like younger, fit female bodies. All men by the way. It's just some men will lie to you in an effort to get you on all fours. Maybe you're happier when you're being lied to . . . or was it the young girl who's in a lower class just looking to better herself. Poor thing. Exploited like that by some fat bloated old wrinkled pecker.
Maybe you've herd of this phenomena: PhD student gets married to some girl in school. She supports him through post med and his internship. Then he starts a practice, makes tons of money. Suddenly every fine women 15 years younger is flashing her cute smile and offering her body . . . funny, they wouldn't give him the time of day when he was just a dork. But then again, can we blame them. After all it's just the man exploiting these helpless little girls with his riches and promise of a better life. So he takes up with the trophy (because she's rocking his world). Who's to blame? Him or her? How about no one? Maybe it's just like the late great Zappa once said, "If God made man in his image. Than God must be ugly". The reference to man being all mankind not just males.
Women in Colombia are being subjected to men from richer countries who use them for sex. Ha! Bullshit! If they are laying down and spreading their legs while holding out their hands or their hopes. Then they are equally at fault. If there's even fault to be had. If you're going to preach morality at least preach it with an even hand.
Jees, maybe you should have just given the guy the BJ instead of spending your life hung up over it. Good luck with that search for the white knight by the way . . .
PS
OP - You got balls dude! Maybe you can lend them to CA for a bit. I hear she's collecting them...
this soo.. funny.. the LARGEST group of guy who takes advantage of "3rd-world" women are NOT.. GRINOGS/WESTERNERS.. it's....
LOCAL GUYS! fr Rich ones to poor ones(that have a little money now and then). They know the language, know the game, know the price. It's there screwed up society that has men being over women in the eyes of society/law. Soooo instead of focusing energy on preaching to a small group of ADULTS male on PBH. Maybe people here that are soo passionate about that, should go move down to those countries and open some business or other activities that help these "poor/defensless" women.
Actually, as a business a rich Indian banker did JUST that! His bank started doing mircolending to poor women to help them become financailly independent from their sometimes loser husband/bf and offer them(the women/child) a chance for a better life. People like that put their "money where there mouth is".. That has alot more positive impact on raising the quality of life for these "poor destitute" women a few posters here seem intent on saving.
So maybe you guys should band together and start a little SBA(small business administration) type organization to help out poor colombinas fr having to put out for rich/wealth guys(COL or Gringo). So they can have a life with their poor col bf, who sometimes cheat on them(leave them knocked-up), but HEY! at least it isnt with a gringo!
In COL, there are TONS of young unwed mothers that struggle every day to get by to feed their kids, put them thru school, etc., In the VAST MAJORITY of those situation, the FATHER(who sometimes support sometimes DOESNT) is not some Gringo/foreigner, but their first or second local BF. Who does that with them and then moves on to his NEW GF(who he aslo will knock-up)..
Can I just say something? I love sex. More to the point, sex is something that is an art. It should be practiced over time. And with the same person. I don't think sex is somethink thats sordid, dirty etc etc.
But prostitution? Ugly.
Rubito's sex tourism? Nasty. But its ok. Ruby is a Gentleman.
It is CK's experience, not Rubitos, which is the true reality of prostitution in Colombia. Ruby goes for escorts:
he's too delicate to get down and dirty in the real Colombia. No. "Thy whore is for thy euery rascale, thy courestan for thy gentleman".
He gets the high-class hookers - in any culture the streetwalkers or brothel inmates get much less money and are much more numerous.
And start young. Really young.
Ruby...those studies. Were they studies specifically done in Colombia? Care to cite a few? Because the HIV infection rate here keeps doubling every two years. And I can give you studies which show that young girls (and most prostitutes in Colombia start REAL young) don't have the negotiating power to insist on condoms every time.
And that is of course, not counting the thousands of women and girls "recruited" in Colombia's countryside by armed groups.
You think THEY can insist on condoms when the Commander gets frisky?
CK...i have only been to Pereira once, and i visited a new and quite large mall in downtown...we had to walk through a park which was just like you described in order to enter the mall.....i had noticed these 8-12 year old girls on the park benches who were "all gussied up" which initially i thought, "how cute las ninas were, children dressing up just like mommy" ...well, when one looked like she had been "rented out" by an adult male to some slimy american looking dude, i about puked after realizing they were available for sex tourists...those perverts do need their testicles nailed to the wall..
........ Just my opinion...
Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!
RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.
CA ,now you've changed your story Is it the sexual predators leaking into Colombia to rape and pillage or is the local men abusing their own? No one is arguing with you that people living in poverty are forced into bad situations for the purpose of survival. This whole thing started because "you" accused the OP of being a part of the problem, a "sexual tourist" aiding in destroying the women of Columbia. It's ok if you're seeing your error but at least admit it.
This from a girl 'friend' living is BQ who is 31, quite fit, well educated, but still living at home . . . "Most of the married men here have many girlfriends. There is not much money so they will offer to take care of you if you will be with them". That isn't some pasty Canadian gringo visiting for a quicky that she's referring to. I guess you're going to tell us that doing threesomes with some local allows more dignity than rolling the dice and sleeping with a few "sexual tourists" in hopes they'll offer you monogamy. Or maybe you're just trying to instill your own personal morality into every one around you. ie don't have sex until you're in love. Stop saving us!
There are large corporations all over the world looking to the South Americas as the next India. If you want to help Colombian women why don't you work on driving local corruption out, so they will consider moving their companies in. Until then, take your misguided witch hunt elsewhere.
Proud Canadian and Carita I got an Idea!!! Proud Canadian why don't you send Carita de Aburrida the phone number of your girl in cucuta, Then we'll have Carita with her huge intelligence contact your girl and get to the bottom of exactly what she was thinking when you were there, then maybe she can lecture her about not having sex with gringos, and maybe explain to her how important it is for her to respect herself and be happy like carita.
Even better maybe Carita will make fast friends with your girl (She's so personable in her wordy way) and then she can go to Cucuta and all of us here at PBH can see some more pictures of that puerco shack on the side of the road.
Peace out MAN!
We're all in this together,
TOM POWER
Actually, I said the OP wasn't ready for marriage - just caught up in an exotic sexual experience and wanted to see a new place.
You are ready for marriage when you reach that point in your life where only one will do. He's only 26. I know very very few young men his age who are really ready for marriage at 26: they ARE ready for adventure, for seeing new places etc. And if they hook-up along the way with the woman of their dreams, well all luck and power to 'em. No-one, though, should be in the business of self-deception. He did not know her well enough to love her. But, that said, his post regarding Colombia was interesting and he's a good photographer. I was hard on him, I admit it and I'm sorry. But he still isn't ready to get married.
That does not change my views on sexual tourism, an activity which men and women of rich countries frequently engage in - aye - and under the guise of having a bit of fun.
Now here is the question, FlatWorld, that I posed to Pod and Gringoloid elsewhere - and none of you so far have been able to answer:
Question 1:
Does the fact that poverty, exclusion, abuse, corruption, and yes, (some) Colombianos behaving badly, exempt or absolve you, the foriegner, from moral responsibility?
We are not talking about the actions of Colombian men are we? We are talking of the actions of foreigners.
Question 2:
What make you think that you have the right to treat another country - especially a developing country - as your playground?
Now, if you've got the balls to really answer these questions, maybe we can move on.
Carita.
PS Tom, I'm sorry you are bored, you can always go elsewhere, or try and answer my questions. Cos I'll keep asking them until I get a reasoned answer.
Rubito...
Firstly, your experience is quite narrow. My experiences of knowing prostitutes as real people, not providers of a service, is substantially greater than yours and spans several continents.
What you do in bed (and believe me your sex life sounds shabby and boring to me, and I'm not really interested) is really of no interest to me. I think you have chose a way of cowardice - after all, it takes real guts to take the risk on just one girl - or guy - and build something real with her. SO much easier to keep women (or men for that matter) at an emotional distance. But hey, you are damaged emotionally. You prefer to place your fetishes at the centre of your relationship than a person. Your fetishes don't love you Rubito. A woman might if you opened your heart enough to let her in. So in my book, your not really a real man. If you wish to live your life in this manner its up to you.
But when you use your consuming power in a developing country, that makes you a sex tourist, and it makes you wrong.
And I notice, Rubito, that you still haven't cited studies which pertain to the developing world in general, and Colombia in particular. If you had, you would also know that the HIV infection rate is rising the most amongst the heterosexual population, and is aggrivated by war. So give me the name, date of publication, authors etc. of those studies you keep harping on about, cos I got a stack more that says you are wrong.
Deaths from AIDs and HIV transmission are on a steady rise in developing countries, and is used (among other indictors) to ascertain how well a countries AIDs strategy is working. Guess what? Its not working - deaths from AIDs double every two years. You can carry HIV for 10 years or more, if you weren't sick and malnourished to begin with. It kills people faster when they are poor.
Surprise surprise, those countries that have it real bad are also countries that have the persistant low-status of women and industrialised sex industries, oh yes, and where sex workers start really young. The HIV infection rate also compounded by civil conflict.
Gee Rubito: low status of women, industrialise sex industry, civil conflict, child prostitution .... that doesn't sound like any country we know does it?
I notice too that you ingored completely my point about young girls - especially young girls who end up recruited into armed groups - not being able to negotiate condom use. When those girls leave the armed groups, where to they go? Home to their villages? No way: they'll be killed because they know too much. So they head for the big smoke, where they can live in cognito.
And where do they end up when they arrive there? A girls gotta make a living, after all.
Want to hazard a guess at the industry that receives them with open arms? Go on. I'll give you three.
By the way, I got sources for that as well.
So Rubito, when you use your gringo greenbacks to finance your sexual preferences, those dollars feed into one of the most evil, sick, economies on God's sweet earth, and Rubito, you, the sex-tourist, are part of it in your own small way.
Rubito, if you know the real working women as you claim, and yet you post this:" But I have NEVER seen anybody who even looked in the SLIGHTEST like they were under 18."...then your credibility is no good and you are spewing from the wrong blowhole......that is hilarioius.....or you are severely challenged in gauging a perons age......and to post so pompously like you are the spokesperson for hookers, and being the resident hooker expert besides a colombian expert has me ROFLMAO.......thanks for the chuckles!
Just my opinion...
Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!
RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.
Rubito
Again, you decide to jump down my throat before reading what I said.
The overall numbers - how many people are becoming infected - are going down, in developed countries (NOT in developing countries, especially ones in conflict).
The SECTION of the population where the RATE of infection is increasing, (including developing countries) among the heterosexual population. And that would be in the USA as well.
But then if you were so well read on the subject you would know about it right?
NGO weenie? Now I've heard it ALL. Have you ever actually been FRIENDS with a prostitute, or a neighbour, perhaps? I have.
So take that, and place it in the place posterior, sideways.
Rubito: there is a difference between over all numbers
and the rate of transmition in sections of the population: which can increase or decreas even if the overall numbers are down.
Overall numbers down IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES.
New cases transmitted, growing fastest in heterosexual population.
Everywhere.
Which means the safe-sex message got through to gays, but not to straights.
It was not the dignity of working girls I was calling in question at any time Rubito. It was yours.
However, may I offer you the olive branch.
On sex, we are never going to see eye-to-eye. Lets just accept that you are a "dog" - and I do mean that in the most respectful manner, and I...well I won't take it personally if you call me a bitch. I know I can be at times when riled.
I wish you could know my sweet side, but I guess you never will, huh? But I respect you for your honesty (if for nothing else).
Man T tells me that you have a passion for Colombian music and are a fair musician youself. In that case, we may have common ground: I love Colombian music, and play myself - though not Colombian stuff - more traditional Scottish and Irish. So shall we bury the axe - not in each other's heads (I would hate to remove a good musician from the planet) and seek for a little common ground.
They do say that music sooths the savage bitch...er...beast.
Let's try this again shall we ... Do you know my politics?
Nope. I haven't said (other than to say I am independent). Yeah, here I am, pushing an insidious, evil, INDEPENDENT agenda. Burn me! String me up on the nearest lamp bracket!
Do you know my religion?
Nope. I haven't said.
But I guess your bigoted now against religious believers right? Do you know there IS such a thing as a secular fundementalist. More common on the left than the right, but they exist with all kinds of political affliations.
Sexual health was my field in the UK, not in Colombia, and law is my field. And I am sorry, but please site that new study you are on about - I'll accept your argument when you can send it to me.
Oh Rubito, accept the olive branch! Its right there!
LOL
Remix....hell yes. But only if you do God Save the Queen first. There was a national anthem that needed timbales if ever there was one...
OK, lets let it go eh?
You can I still have a lot to say, but lets save it for when we've both calmed down. Send me those stats by PM and I promise you that I'll publish a full retraction, and an apology, ok?
Let's save it for the pub. If you dance, at the point where you think I'm getting too much, you can invite me to dance - argument solved, peace restored. I might even let you lead.
And I would be happy to jam with you, if jamming is something you do.
It's late. I gotta hit the worldsexguide forum before I go to bed. You ought to check it out. The members are usually quite civil and respectful and the board is full of useful information. Top notch forum.
Well not, but... I may go to Colombia some day, and if I see her, I know to avoid her. Besides, it may help someone here to know her and to stay away from this person. It is just a thought. I did enjoy reading your story and lots of other posts related to your adventures and experiences.
Thanks... Well, truly, I highly doubt anyone here would encounter her, A)because of where she lives, B)I just don't think that would ever happen...haha
I'm glad you enjoyed reading about my experience. It was too bad some Trolls (mainly one and she won't be named), had to come here and changes the subject and cause a ruckus.
It was actually a very interesting learning experience for me. I'll be WELL prepared next time I go into battle..jaja
Yes I have..... I am still in contact with her, still talk to her. As a matter of fact I still get daily text messages from her. The way this story has turned out though....seriously, it's straight outta a freakin hollywood movie. Like...wtf! haha I'll have to put it on paper, and decide if it's post worthy or not.
CA....you must feel guilty or something? Were your ears burning?
What about you Tom...can she order Mc Donalds yet? jeje (that story cracks me up)
FYI We are ALL in this together. Everyone here (with the exception of a few) are here to help each other out. Kudos Tom!
english is gonna take a while.... She's been here 4 months and I swear she speaks even less english than when she came. I haven't got the patience to force her to speak english. And the teacher at the ESL class told her that she needs to dress more appropriately for class I guess she was upseting the muslims with her studio F shirts they do a good job of showing off her boobs. Needless to say I stopped her going to class, don't want her getting any crazy ideas about not dressing sexy. And she really doesn't need to learn english everyone tries speaking spanish to her. And she's got a bunch of new colombian girlfriends so its safe to say her english is on the 5 year plan.
It sounds to me like you might be able to go back to cucuta and give her another shot? She's bound to do a better job next time.
Remember, we're all in this together.
Tom Power
I think the photos and the story about your travel experience (not so much the girlfriend issues and all the lengthy posts that followed on that topic) were very interesting, Proud Canadian.
Prophesy is a good line of business, but it is full of risks ~ Mark Twain
5 year plan!!! HAHAHA...too funny. Who are these Colombian friends? Where did they come from? (and I don't mean Colombia!!). That has got to make her happier then a pig in shhiieeet that she now has some girlfriends to hang out with that she can relate to. She also must be LOVIN this weather eh! Today is awesome, and earlier in the week was great.....but that storm last night was pretty vicious.
As far as a round two....that's not exactly in the cards right now (although she did say to me after I called her out on her lies, and we got into a big fight....."do you still want to help me, I know I am crazy for asking". Although she has since admitted to telling me lies, she still will not be completely honest with me. Her famous line is "the past is the past, live in the present". She just expects me to forget about the shit she put me through, without any type of explination. Not gonna happen.
I do feel for her though, her life sucks.....so I will be her friend as long as I can. I think more then anything, she is a product of her environment, but we'll see.
Thanks Portena, it was my intention to allow others to see my experiences, as I learned a lot from others on this site before, and after my trip. This is a great site.
Nah Pround My big green ears are just fine. But I'm no troll.
Proud, nothing will make me believe you came here with serious marriage intentions. Its all over your post and in between the lines. You came here to get laid and to see an new place So? Then what? Don't kid yourself. Kid others, by all means, but not yourself. But I accept I was hard on you, so I'm sorry for that (for the second time I believe). May you walk the paths of wisdom in future.
Tom, in this together with me? Nope. His info on Colombia (given he's in Canada and hasn't been here for a while) is out of date. They have internet connection now. Prices have risen. I never got that apology for saying that I wasn't here - after I sent him my BAQ cell phone number by PM. But its ok Tom. I can be big about it.
But here's the thing...you stopped your wife going to an essential ESL class because you don't want her dressing appropriately? Are you nuts? Tell her to buy a nice shirt or two and wear it to the goddam class and learn to speak English. That's more important than your visual gratification.
Honestly. Gringos.
He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."
Damn, CA. I see now what a mistake I made defending you in other threads. While I still enjoy your writing style, you're like a damn pit bull- you just WILL not allow others to write about their lives without jumping up on that same old tired soapbox, will you? You remind me of the most rabid anti-smoking people- the ex-smokers. ;)
There is no dishonor in allowing people to express their views, talk about their lives, etc, without pouncing on every possible sentence to try and make your point. The thing you fail to realize is - we have all heard your tired litany so much- you accomplish nothing by your continuous rants. You speak terribly of UTC- but hell, you aren't so different. You have become almost as annoying, with your hard-headed refusal to concede that maybe, just maybe, your point of view is not always the ONLY valid point of view.
Your attack on ProudCanadian is completely uncalled for. He did NOT ask your opinion about his wife's classes. You've become just another troll- except you're even more self-righteous than most..
slguy
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Now I don't have to tell you good folks what's been happening in our beloved little town. Sheriff murdered, crops burned, stores looted, people stampeded, and cattle raped. The time has come to act, and act fast. I'm leaving.
Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab
Hi Slguy
Firstly, support me when you think what I've said is the truth. I'm not asking you to agree with me on everything. Now I know you are bored and pissed off, but do you know how boring this site was when it was just a locker room for the lads comparing plays? Pit Bull? Why, thanks. Under the circumstances I'll take as a compliment. Better to be a pit-bull than a pussy.
Secondly, its Tompower's woman who's not allowed to go to English classes cos she might have to wear something more sober for the classroom. This being the same Tompower that spent a merry hour abusing me and posting gossip and lies about me a couple of weeks ago. Not Proud Canadian.
Thirdly, Proud said I was a troll for saying that I didn't believe that he came here to get married. I DO accept I was hard on him, I'll go easy next time.
Remember I speak, when spoken to, or spoken about. If any of you have a problem with that, don't do it. PM me and we'll take it outside, or check my blog.
He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."
If you speak when spoken to or about.... How did you get in this thread to begin with? And then secondly, you came back...again because I sure as hell didn't bring you up. If you have a guilty conscience then so be it, but don't blame that on other people.
Think what you like Proud But, if my hunch is correct, you wouldn't ban your wife from going to an English class because she might have to wear appropriate clothing ... I wouldn't glow too much under the compliments of Tom et al. You might catch something.
I got in this thread cause I thought your were kidding yourself about marriage. I don't believe you came down with serious intentions, I think you came down to have fun. The rest was just some guys ganging up, and an e-rumble that spilled over from another thread. These things happen.
So you're pissed off with me: get over it. I was harsh, but I still think the same thing. If you also remember, I also complimented you on your photography, but you have a selective memory.
He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."
you know only what I have told you... If you read comments after my original post, what you read is a BRIEF summarization of thw whole story...so for you to for a conclusion on my personal feelings or intentions, is nieve. Keep in mind I also wrote that AFTER I came back, and all that had happened. Had I written a post prior to leaving it would have had a totally different feel.
So don't pretend to be a psychologist, or a mind reader. You know nothing more then what I have told you, and you have formed your opinion on that, when in fact it is only a small piece of the puzzle.
I have nothing against you, and were you fishing for a "thank you" when you bring up the fact you commented on my photography. You question my intentions and integrity, and then compliment me....nice touch!
Anyways, this thread is intended for PRO-ACTIVE conversations, so I challenge you to have one.
No, I am fair: not rabid
Your photos were excellent, your description of your Colombian visit was well written. Its called balance.
You are absolutely right of course, I know nothing about you other than what you have written. And what you wrote made me believe your weren't marriage minded. I've stated this before. And really really don't like repeating myself. If you didn't want to marry her, why did you push for more sex? As you said, you can only be judged by what you wrote. So you were a kid in search of adventure. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you are honest with yourself and don't hurt anyone in the process. You'd do well to watch "The Last King of Scotland". Another kid in search of adventure. But it's not a game.
If you want a proactive discussion, stop calling names and start discussing.
He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."
why did I push for more sex? Because I was there...she was there, and I wanted it. Plain and simple. What man here wouldn't want to have sex when he had the opportunity, especially with a gorgeous girl!
So now that we're square you can get off you rant about my motives, because your wrong, and second....I didn't call you any names (insert apology acceptance).
I started discussing when I posted this thread. To discuss my experiences, and enlighten others.
I mentioned this in my original post, and nobody addressed it, so I want to bring it up. When I was in Colombia, I noticed a LOT of young girls and boys had braces, and most adults had nice teeth. Is dental work just more affordable there, or do they take that kind of thing very seriously. I mean, for a family to live like they lived here in my country, they sure wouldn't be springing for $3,000-$4,000 braces.
One more observation:
Getting a passport to the U.S., Canada or Spain (Europe) is worth LOTS of MONEY. Colombians routinely use every connection they have to legally travel into these countries. This is especially true if they are University educated. I'd say that 30 Million Pesos (plus) is the true value.
Houses will be sold, money borrowed at exorbitant interest rates, family members donate, and anything / everything goes.
The wealthy, if they can't find another avenue or time is the factor would pay $50,000 U.S. for a marriage (that is intended to be dissolved). This is NOT just Colombia. I've seen arranged marriages from Great Britain and I'd imagine this happens more than a person would think from places like Iran or almost any African country.
Unless the parents have a pension you absolutely will be expected to pay something to help. Even if they do have a pension the children help with things like trips. That is just the way things work and I don’t necessarily see anything wrong with this.
This IS NOT just foreigners. It applies to any Colombian with a good job and definitely applies if the family is in the top 5% of wealth. These high income Colombians have an advantage, the parents absolutely understand and it seems their children have a clue.
Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.
CaritadeAngel, you've made many good points in general about some very problematic world issues, but unless you can read minds I don't think you can claim to know Proud_Canadians or anyone elses true motives. Also, I think you are smart enough to realize that internet lectures are not going to change the criminal mindset or behaviors of actual psychopaths.
Prophesy is a good line of business, but it is full of risks ~ Mark Twain
Zero maybe in the countryside it isnt the norm but it IS in BOG you can count on that! Just one more reason why I love cities and hate the country
I've not been impressed with your knowledge of the "Colombian Rural Life".
I’ve NEVER spent more than ONE NIGHT anywhere near a Colombian City and we are talking 5 years. Oh, I did go to Cartagena for about a month. Ha,, the girl I'm with thought that might be a good place to live. I've never heard another word about living somewhere else.
As near as I can determine the ONLY reason to live in a city is because the person needs to make a living or conduct business.
In case you haven’t been reading these posts I should inform you that the cities have a huge drug USE problem not to mention millions of displaced persons which has resulted in increasing crime rates.
Actually, you have made such hugely erroneous statements about rural U.S. that I’m confident you definitely don't know what happens there.
Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.
Do a little work Try looking at NEW INFECTION STATISTICS, which is what we are talking about here.
Why not post these facts? It is not hard to determine almost everything you say is wrong, (weird?) not a significant percentage or old data.
This is what I came up with and I don't see anything to make me excited about what is happening in South America today.
U.N. Aids Site The numbers are from 2005 I think. Plus I linked another site below. I don’t see any decline noted or talked about. I did note this quote:
Brazil and Colombia are home to the biggest epidemics in this region.
This little tidbit seems a common thread: In the majority of South American countries, injecting drug use and sex between men are the most important routes of HIV transmission.
Last year I mentioned to the girl I live with that Colombia was going to legalize marriage between men.
The comment was: That’s bad, these married guys will go out and have sex with women and MORE will become infected with HIV.
This does not look really bad,, oooops. There are 190 Million people in Brazil. Less than 45 Million in Colombia. Roughly 4 times as many. Multiply 8,200 by 4 and the relative number is 32,800. Holy Bat Shit, Colombia has a Plague of HIV deaths compared to Brazil.
This is deaths. Declining? As noted in previous posts, it does not look like it.
Maybe there are more people with AID’s living longer? Why not furnish linked information that states this? What is life living with AIDS? Not great I’d guess. Probably not something to put in your profile on matchmaker.com.
I think you like to cling on something to justify a life style that places you in a high risk category. Guess you’re OK placing your faith in the manufacturing techniques of one of those evil multinational rubber companies, it must give you some amount of comfort but I look at it as Russian roulette but with more blank chambers.
Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.
Hey Proud I'll tell you why. Frenillos (braces) or desegnio de sonrisa (where THEY whiten the teeth, shave down the snaggle teeth ETC) is really no less important for a pretty colombiana than a boob job or liposuction. At first when my first girl told me she wanted braces, I thought it was because she wanted to go around with the braces and show everyone she had money, because your right it does cost a lot. But that's not it I've been listening closely to my wife over the last two years and you know those girls are freekin smart they know everything about beauty how to make their asses prettier, make-up, clothes, etc.. look at the beauty pagents every girl in colombia knows exactly what she needs to have done. If your girl is talking braces its cause she needs them,.. nothing more. well maybe a little bit of seeing what she can get out of you.
For example, I have a friend who came down to cartagena he's a high roller owns a bar in guelph and he invited a few of my toronto friends out to dinner in the plaza santo domingo. he told them he would buy. Well that night the usual thing happened the toronto friends girlfriends(colombianas) invited some other girls to meet the friend who was buying. So we all ate and when the bill came it was close to 700,000 pesos. I almost shit myself. How can 8 people cost that much? In colombia? So I looked at the bill closely every girl at the table ordered Shrimp and Lobster for 80,000 pesos and they all drank wine. It just happens,.. those pretty girls they like to get the most out of their man. They like to brag that they went to the plaza and got a gringo to buy them lobster not chicken not a hamburger but nothing less than lobster. They do it for "maldad" nothing more.
One time a friend of mine from edmonton was in the olympica 24 hour in boca grande and he was with his girl and I watched her tell him how she needed shampoo and he said ok and i watched her move her finger along the prices until she found the most expensive. she didn't even even try to hide it.
Oh yeah one other thing ARE you sure you don't wann go back to cucuta? It sounds like things didn't pan out for your girl and the other guy,.. I'm sure the next time she'll be a lot more AMOROUS, what do you say,... do it for poor but happy!!!
remeber, we're all in this together.
Tom Power
Thanks Toms The thing with the braces though, was most teenagers had them, not adults, and most adults had perfect teeth. She wasn't asking me for them....as a matter of fact, she already had them. I was just suprised, that with all the money issues they have, how they can all have had braces.
I'll have to email you the story about her and the other guy. I don't think it's over between them. As a matter of fact, he moved to Colombia for a job, and then didn't get it, then had the nuts to email me and see if I could help him get a job in Canada!....I told you...right outta a movie man. I'll email ya the details. Crazy stuff
Simple: Dentists in Colombia don't make anything near what Western dentists make....many do not have offices, and make house visits.....braces are not expensive in Colombia, and they have affordable payment plans....
Just my opinion...
Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!
RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.
gringoloid Hey, I hope that I didn't affect your life in a negative way. There is a good chance that your fiance is a wonderful girl, but as you can see from my experience (and honestly, what I wrote in my original post is ONLY the tip of the iceberg!!), sheeitt happens.
Just to make things clear, I was not attempting to find a wife. It was something that just kinda happened. Trust me....when I met her, in now way shape or form was I thinking marriage. It was only after getting to know her, and developing feelings for her that, that came into the picture.
U Got Nothin' to lose in My Opinion What happened to Proud Canadian was that his girl just didn't show the affection required to make him marry her. If your girl gringoloid is caring and sweet with you what more do you need? You can rack your brains out worrying if she's faithful or just using you but what's the point? you'll never really know till she does.
If you fly down to spend a week or whatever with your girl and she doesn't make you the priority 24/7 that's a hint and a half. But if your girl is calling you every chance she gets writing and begging and when your there she's on you like glue, thats pretty hard to fake. Proud Canadian got screwed cause some where between the good times with her in st.maarten and his trip to cucuta she got the hots for someone else,... she just didn't tell him before he arrived. But when he came she just couldn't manage to put on a show like when she first met him and trick him into thinkin she was still into him. She had to sneak away from time to time to talk to her new buddy. That's stuff is obvious.
Hey Proud I'm still waiting on the e-mail.
Remember, we're all in this together.
Tom Power
Ok I got the e-mail There's a lot going on there, you should share it with everyone. I think if you posted her photo people would understand why you went. So is that clown colombian? It's obvious that he was really jealous that she was seeing you during that week and I bet he was putting a lot of pressure on her to chat with him, talk to him or even see him maybe he was there all along? That's why she couldn't put out like you wanted.
It's so stupid everything she say's and does shows she wants to marry a gringo and go to america but she finally has the guy who's into her willing and able at her house in cucuta for christ's sake and she can't even treat you like the star you are.
That guy wont last he'll dump her and the minute he dumps her she's gonna be calling and writing you like crazy. When he's gone she's gonna work you hard to fix things, she'll figure she got you to come to her once she'll make you come again. And you know what you definitely got my support for leading her on about marrying her when that time comes.
By the time january rolls around and I'm in cartagena he won't be around we can have a poor but happy party on the beach and invite her.
Remember, we're all in this together.
Tom Power
Proud Canadian I am curious to know what was that made you "fall in LOVE" enough to ask her to marry you,(besides sex). Did you spend lots of time getting to know each other?, was she descent?, loyal?, respectful?, loving?, caring?, honest?, educated?, what you call a nice human being?. How was she when she got angry?, how did she deal with stress?, How was the relationship with parents, friends?, what kind of job did she have?.
I don`t know what you people expect, when you only meet a person for few days and chat in the Internet that sometimes just translates into your language?. Then you bring them here and act surprised when they don`t adapt to weather, tempers, loneliness, lack of communication, alienation, discrimination. They want to party all the time like their are still in Colombia? (the young ones), I could go on!!!.
I am sorry to hear your story, but maybe some guys here will learn from your experience. Good luck and use your head next time, (the one on your shoulders!)
I could not help but notice the difference in how ...... Lisa Zee pleasantly framed her views, questions and even admonishments and how some of our more frenetic members tend do it.
"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.
That's how is see it also... I don't think that any of the colombianas that you mentioned above or any others would take any shit from anyone, but they don't spend every post trying to convince you how tough they are and asking if anybody wants to take it outside, talk about ridiculous jajaja.
"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.
See? No alternative to the bitchy man is there?
Never aguardiente, Billyb, that stuff ranks with soju as a killer of brain cells. Whisky for cold weather, Tequila for warm. Wine with food.
He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."
The SHIEET out of you!!! Proud Canadian I went back and read your initial report and you said this:
"So my best guess, is she wanted to marry me, and would say anything she thought I wanted to hear, so she could get a passport. Why she played her cards the way she did I do not know. Had she "you know what"'d the shieet outta me, and ignored her other bf's for the one week, who knows where we would be today."
That pretty much sums it up.
If your a PBH poster and your thinking of marrying a colombian wether you met her on the beach or online, the first criteria for going through with it should be just that,... as Proud Canadian says she better "you know what"'d the shieet out a you while your down there.
I like Proud Canadian because he's on the ball he figured things out while he was down there, Lots of guys who go down to meet a girl have invested so much time and energy into that girl that they refuse to just dump her. They go back to the hotel and sleep alone. Or they justify why their spending a lot of time alone for the visit. lots of times they just can't believe that this poor girl living in a shack in the middle of the war zone in colombia isn't into them. It happens, the colombian boyfriend tries to see her while your there, she doesn't wanna miss a night slutting around at the nightclub so she lies and avoids you.
Hot chicks are difficult everywhere,... your only going to the third world not a different world.
Remember, we're ALL, every last one of us, in this THING together!!!
Tom Power
Did you guys... know that most of the caps made for root canals etc...actually come from Mexico and Colombia? Thats right, they put that horrible temporary can in your mouth and fed ex the mold both ways out of the country.
They spend far more money on the postage than the porceline tooth for your mouth.
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Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"
hi, I'm new to the site and love to everyone's stories. I live in ny and met a colombian girl last year in ny while she was here to study. We hung out for 6 months and she went back in December. She wants me to visit her in medellin and i'm kind of worried about my safety there. I hear alot of good and bad. I've even spoke to colombians in ny that said be careful.She decided we could meet in miami in july instead of her coming here all the time and she recently told me she wont be meeting me in miami. She can't find a job in medellin and cried on the phone while telling me this. She still wants to keep in touch but we dont talk as much. I will be going to miami by myself. I spoke to her the other day and she told me she sees alot of gringos in medellin and its safe to come here. I just wanted to share my situation....not planning to go to medellin anytime soon -or should i?
