Murió la cantante colombiana Soraya

hisociedad says on May 10, 2006, 19:19:

Mujer luchadora Paz en su tumba... Mujer divina, bella, hermosa, talentosa!!

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Albatross says on May 11, 2006, 04:04:

. She was American... born in New Jersey.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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juanalejo says on May 11, 2006, 07:57:

Soraya Born in New Jersey, daughter of Colombians and considered herself Colombian.

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Colombiche says on May 11, 2006, 09:05:

Que lastima Despued de tantos anos luchando contra el cancer, perdio la batalla.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Gomezman5 says on May 11, 2006, 10:10:

Very sad....but according to the news..... She was born in Colombia and not the US. She was raised in the US. Besides, you can't be born in the US and be Colombian, unless you are working for Colombia's diplomatic corp. (Embassy, consulate)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4761023.stm

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=musicNews&storyID=2006-05-11T093204Z_01_N10207518_RTRIDST_0_MUSIC-SORAYA-DC.XML

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12727943/

All media sources say she is Colombian born, but I forgot, if you want the truth and lot of wisdom, the guys on PBH know better. Just like they about Colombian security

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Albatross says on May 11, 2006, 10:18:

Sorry G5, but according to AP, she's American Born... MIAMI (AP) — Colombian-American singer Soraya, who won a Latin Grammy for best female album in 2004 and worked to educate Hispanic women about breast cancer, died Wednesday after battling the disease. She was 37.

She died in a Miami hospital, said Lorena Oriani, a spokeswoman for her record label, EMI Latin.

She was born in New Jersey to Colombian parents in 1969 and was found to have breast cancer in 2000.

Her greatest hits were Solo Por Ti and Casi, both released in 2003 on the album Soraya. She was well known for integrating cumbia and flamenco music with her own style of pop-rock.

Besides her Latin Grammy in 2004, she won a Billboard Latin Music Spirit of Hope award that year. In 2005 she was nominated for a Latin Grammy for female pop vocal album for El Otro Lado De Mi.

In a letter posted on her website Tuesday in Spanish, she wrote to her fans about her battle with cancer. She said she was sure her life was ending.

"I have not lost this battle, because I know the fight was not in vain," she said. "Instead, it will help end a larger battle, which is early detection to prevent this terrible disease."

Soraya's mother, grandmother and an aunt died of breast cancer, which encouraged her to inform Hispanic women about the disease. She joined the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation and traveled all over Latin America to inform women about early breast cancer detection.

Soraya recorded Por Ser Quien Soy (For Being Who I Am ), a song that reflects her experience with the disease

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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juanalejo says on May 11, 2006, 10:30:

Wikipedia Soraya was an American citizen who was born in Point Pleasant, New Jersey, one year after her father, mother, and brother moved to the United States from Colombia. Her family was forced to move back to Colombia, but when Soraya was eight years old, they returned to New Jersey. "Soraya" is a very common name in the Middle East. Soraya's maternal side of the family were Lebanese Christians who emigrated from Lebanon to Colombia.

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juanalejo says on May 11, 2006, 10:35:

Mr. G Just like you said, those who know all the right answers in PBH, know all about security in Colombia. And those who insist on knowing all the answers in PBH although they are wrong, insist they know all about security although they are usually wrong.

And would you please clarify what do you mean that you can not be American born and also Colombian? I have 1 niece and 2 nephews who are American born and also have Colombian passport. Did I misunderstand something?

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Gomezman5 says on May 11, 2006, 11:05:

Ok I'll clarify Of course you can have dual citizenship if it is aquired later. To be right on point, any person born in the US except for diplomats, are automaticaly US citizens. If a Colomiban person has a child here in the US, they are a citizen of the United States. I cannot believe that they are also Colombian citizens. I have never in my life heard of a situation where a person born in the US, is also a citizen by birth of the country from where their parents came, unless they are in the diplomatic corp or armed services.

You...are being evasive as ussual Juan. I have a hard time believing that your nephews/nieces that are born in the US would have a Colombian passport UNLESS they moved to Colombia and established residency (with all its requirements) and thereby making them a Colombian national

So are you saying that Colombia recognizes people who are of Colombian decent as colombian citizens, if they are born in the US (and thus US citizens by birth and NOT colombian citizens)? I can't believe that. I can tell you I know of no country that does that. The US, Mexico, and Canada do not--again, unless you are a part of the special diplomatic or armed forces.

And to Albatross......so what ....the AP says the women was american. I just pasted three reliable sources that said she was born in Colombia (MSNBC, BBC, and Reuters) Three sources....so tell me...they count for nothing???

So what you are saying is that my children would be Colombian citizens because I am Colombian?

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Albatross says on May 11, 2006, 11:31:

Who knows... Considering that she spent a considerable amount of her childhood in Colombia, I take back what said about her being American only. I guess she was both American and Colombian.

As far as her birthplace; normally reliable sources (AP, Reuters, ect) are in disagreement, so I won't pretent to know myself.

In any case, what IS the the truth is that she died a miserable death from an extremely nasty disease... my step-sister died the very same way.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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juanalejo says on May 11, 2006, 11:31:

Colombians Yes, Colombia does that, the son of a Colombian citizen can become Colombian citizen if they feel like it. My brother went to the consulate in your home town and got his daughter´s passport, and so did my sister in the Atlanta consulate for her two children. Most European countries do the same, I have several friends who have never lived abroad who have Spanish, Italian, French, German passports, just because one of their parents had those nationalities. One of my business partners is Caleña, her parents are Spanish migrants and she travels around with her Spanish passport to avoid visas. My girlfriend who is Venezuelan got her Colombian passport before migrating here in the consulate in Caracas, after that she just went to get her cedula here in Bogota, and her mother was born in Bucaramanga.

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Gomezman5 says on May 11, 2006, 14:19:

OK Juan...cool and interesting So we are both on the same page. So now I know that if they are willing to take that extra step they can obtain Colombian citizenship if they go to their consulate. My point only was that the mere both alone.....in the US.....will not make them a Colombian citizen.

Hey hey Juan, I did not know you have relatives in Chicago. So if you ever get here, what the heck, I'll re extend my offer to have a drink with you.

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juanalejo says on May 11, 2006, 15:53:

Mr. G Thank you very much for the invitation, unfortunatelly they do not live in Chicago, they live in Minneapolis and Chicago is their nearest consulate. If I ever fly AA I will think of a stop over, but usually I fly CO and connect in Houston. I try and avoid Miami Airport completely, I even fly to Fort Lauderdale if going to Florida.

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Colombiche says on May 11, 2006, 16:38:

Citizenship My sister is Canadian born. She is a Canadian/Colombian citizen. My mother registered her at a notaria in Bogota as a Col citizen. She has celula de ciudadania, colombian passport and is voting on the upcoming elections.

I have a Canadian citizenship, but I am also a colombian citizen (iin my case by birth). I too have a cedula and when I travel to colombia, I must enter with a colombian passport.

If you ask her where she is from, she will tell you "Colombian". Her DNA, her accent, her surname, her face, her cedula and her heart say so.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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johna says on May 11, 2006, 18:24:

Ok she calls herself Colombian... but her DNA doesn't say that. Genes don't care about the imaginary lines people draw.

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hisociedad says on May 11, 2006, 19:41:

EN SU MEMORIA Alma de la calle

“Soraya dijo: Bueno, yo quería enseñar ese lado que siempre he mostrado en los conciertos, que enseño cuando cambio la guitarra acústica por una guitarra eléctrica, o sea, más energía y todo eso y también quería enseñar un lado mucho más cercano a lo que son mis raíces colombianas, la canción “El Otro Lado de Mi�, en “La Promesa�, en “Alma de la Calle� se escuchan ciertos elementos de esa música folklórica de Colombia.

“Soraya dijo: Bueno, esa canción yo estaba sentada en Miami en mi casa, desayunando, un día normal, leyendo el periódico y cuando leo el artículo sobre esta persona que se llama María Amparo. Lo que pasa es que me afectó muchísimo, muchísimo lo que había leído, el titular era: "De Poeta Laureada�, “De Lustrabotas a Poeta Laureada�, perdón… y con ese título pues me enganchó, tomé mi guitarra y me senté por un rato a componer esta canción, compré un pasaje, la localicé, me fui a Bogotá, ¡Fue una locura! (ríe)�.

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Colombiche says on May 11, 2006, 20:12:

Genes don't care about the i Genes don't care about the imaginary lines people draw.


So how come a Japanese couple cannot have a blonde blue eyed Euro-featured biological child?? If these "imaginary" lines didn't exist.....

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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vladimiro says on May 11, 2006, 21:29:

Her name is interesting... because its an Iranian name. I wonder if she was named after Princess Soraya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soraya_Esfandiary_Bakhtiari

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juanalejo says on May 11, 2006, 22:00:

Soraya Her name is quite popular in the middle east, and as her grandparents were Lebanese, well there came the name I guess.

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rocinante says on May 11, 2006, 22:30:

lessons If I, a US citizen marry (marriage optional) a Colombiana and have children in Colombia, I can "register" them at the US Embassay in Colombia and they are US citizens with US passports - having never stepped foot on US soil.

Also people who live in Colombia, regardless of where they were born know more about Colombian safety than those who don't live there or who only visit there once in a while.

I love learning new things and I'm not a rocket scientist.

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Miguel says on May 12, 2006, 00:27:

Soraya According to articles in EL TIEMPO (Bogotá) and in the WASHINGTON POST (D.C. USA) she was born in Point Pleasant New Jersey in the USA.

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Gomezman5 says on May 12, 2006, 08:04:

Juanalejo...I agree with you and Rocinante Miami International is a super pain in the ass. Well, the offer stands, no matter how many arguments we may ever get into.

Rocinante....what you said is true. I did not mention all contingencies where an American can be living abroad and has a child who is an American citizen. I did mention the most common two scenarios and that are...once again....Americans working in the foreign service who have children, and armed forces/government employees.

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Cplus2 says on May 12, 2006, 09:02:

Corazón De Fuego For those who wish to remember Soraya, this is her video Corazón De Fuego.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtyE6oQ2wvs&search=Soraya%20

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nathalie says on May 13, 2006, 08:48:

Ok! Stop it!!!! Look... if you want to discuss about some Country's laws, please first try to read them!!!!

According to the article 96 of the Colombian Constitution, there are Colombian citizens
1. by birth
a. The born in Colombia with one of two conditions: that the father of the mother have been born or Colombian citizens o that being foreign children one of their parents have been living in the Colombian Republic at the birth date
b. The children of Colombian father or mother that have been born abroad and then move to live in Colombia.
Therefore Soraya, was COLOMBIAN not just because Colombian Laws approves it but also because she used not only to call herself Colombian but also to feel proud about it!

La Colombiana

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Cplus2 says on May 21, 2006, 10:47:

Soraya, Hoy & Siempre
The video above is sung by a different Soraya, winner of a mixture of Eurovision/American Idol contest in Spain, without the style or sensibility of the real Soraya, whose music you can remember in :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPWNxM8bO7s&search=Soraya%20

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