moving to medellin

dwmte says on Mar 14, 2005, 04:55:

yo, calif... you can transfer as much money as you want.

if you're opening an account in medellin, my suggestion is go to oviedo and open it in bancolombia. it's the best bank and the best location. i've had my account there for about 15 years.

another point..you don't want people knowing how much money you have. don't advertise...ever.

just open your account with what ever is requiered and say no more.

too, you can use your visa or MC to withdraw money in a stateside account. sometimes this limits your exposure to questions and noseyness.

be careful who knows your info and personal life. get used to folks a long time before you take them into your confidence. trust me, i know about this. even my family there, a couple of members have been a real pain in the ass. (my wife's family)

learn the ropes very well before venturing out to far on your own.

good luck,

dw

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calif en la selva says on Mar 14, 2005, 17:35:

thanks for the info DW
thanks for the info....some very good food for thought

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platano says on Mar 14, 2005, 17:48:

Burundanga Warning I want to issue a warning about Burundanga. I know people in Colombia who have been victims of this and were led to the bank and emptied their account with a check they "voluntarily" signed.

This is just to second DW's warning about not taking people into confidence unless you know them well. Burundanga can be slipped into an innocent Manzana Postobon and you drink it without knowing what's going to happen. Below is an excerpt from the Wall Street Journal. (the article is ten years old but I don't think the problem has gone away)

Medellín is a wonderful place. Paisas are incredible, as I'm sure you already know. Just take care.

Platano


Exerpt from Wall Street Journal Article, July 3, 1995

Dateline Bogota, Colombia
If you thought cocaine was bad news, wait until you hear about Burundanga.
Burundanga is a kind of voodoo powder obtained from a Colombian local
plant of the nightshade family, a shrub called barrachera, or "drunken
binge". Used for hundreds of years by Natie Americans in religious ceremonies,
the powder when ingested causes victims to lose their will and memory, sometimes
for days. (This drug is also known as Nightshade or "CIA drugs).
When refined the powder yields scopolamine, a well-know drug with
legitimate uses as a sedative and to combat motion sickness. (Mengele of
Nazi fame also had and experimented with scopolamine as a truth serum).
But in Colombia, the drug's most avid fans are street criminals. Crooks
mix the powder with sedatives and feed the Burundanga cocktail to unsuspecting
victims whom they then proceed to rob - or worse.
Doctors here estimate that Colombian hustlers slip the odorless,
colorless and soluble Burundanga (pronounced boor-oon-DAN-ga) in food or
drink to about 500 unwitting victims in the city each month. About half of
the city's total emergency room admissions for poison are Burundanga
victims.
"It is a very serious problem," says Fernando Botero, Colombia's defense
minister. Adds Camilo Uribe, the doctor who runs the city's formost toxicology
clinic and who is in charge of toxicology for all of Bogota's public hospitals.
"It's epidemic".
It seems that everyone in Bogota knows someone who has been victimized by
the drug, Burundanguiado, as the say in Spanish. In one common scenario, a
person will be offered a soda or drink laced with the substance. The next
the person remembers is waking up miles away, extremely groggy and with no
memory of what happened. People soon discover that they have handed over
jewelry, money, car keys, and sometimes have even made multiple bank with-
drawals for the benefit of their assailants. Because Burundanga is often
given at seedy bars or houses of prostitution, many victims are reluctant
to come forward.
"The victim can't say no; he has no will and becomes very open to
suggestion. It's like CHEMICAL HYPNOTISM," says Dr. Uribe. "From the
moment it's given, the victim remembers absolutely nothing of what happened."
He adds, "From a criminal point of view, it's got a lot of advantages".
Architect David Neneses says he was Burundanguiado twice in one week
last December. Mr. Meneses' first encounter with Burundanga took place on a
Friday night when he stopped at a pharmacy to buy antacid. Two well-dressed
men approached hes car. Teh last thing Mr. Menses remembers is one of the
men unwrapping a piece of candy. "I woke up the next day at noon at my
house." he says. He had no memory of how he got there, though the doorman in
his building told Mr. Menseses he saw him com in at 7 a.m. looking nervous
and confused.

On Monday, Mr. Meneses checked with his bank, where he was told that
his ATM card made 13 withdrawals for a total of about $700 on that lost
Friday night. Concerned that he might have unwittingly been involved in
criminal activity, or that his car had been used, Mr. Meneses went to the
local prosecutors office where he made a sworn statement saying he wasn't
respon- sible for anything that had happened during the hours he was under
the influence of the drug.

Three days later, the luckless Mr. Meneses noticed that he had a flat
tire. Two men on the street approached him and offered to change it. "I
remember they gave me something to drink, which I can't imagine why I
drank." he says. Police found him asleep in his car six hours later. He had
been robbed of his radio and about $125.

These days, Mr. Meneses is careful to drive with the windows rolled up.
He doesn't venture out much at night anymore. "Burundanga is a very dangerous
weapon in the hands of the underworld" he says.
Not all cases of Burundanga involve theft or robbery. Sometimes victims
have been used as mules to carry cocaine, says Dr. Uribe's brother Manuel, a
neurologist practicing at the clinic. In one incident, says Manuel Uribe, a
well-known Colombian diplomat disappered shortly after leaving a function in
Bogota, only to reappear in Chile under arrest for cocaine smuggling. Medical
tests showed he had been under the influence of Burundanga, and no charges
were filed.
Camilo Uribe said that in a minority of cases Burundanga is used to lure
young women who are then abused sexually. When they are found days later,
they have no memory of what has happened to them. "You see that a lot with
university coeds." he says.
Camilo Uribe is often called by companies and embassies to talk about the
perils of Burundanga. One diplomatic mission that takes the problem very
seriously is the U.S. Embassy. Its orientation manual warns freshman
diplomats never to visit bars or nightclubs alone. "Druggings in group
situations are far less common" the manual says, adding that food and drinks
should never be left unattended. At the Colombian unit of Dow Chemical Co.
(now there's an organization that knows about drugs!) security officials
periodically tell employees how to avoid getting Burundanguiado "There have
been many cases." says Oswaldo Parra, the company's legal officer. "It's a
very common practice in Colombia."
Curiosly, just next door in Ecuador, where the plant is grown commercially
for medical purposes, its criminal use is unknown. Instead, the plant is the
subject of poetry and myth. If one sleeps under the plant in Ecuador, he
will be able to tell the future, legends say.
Here, however, Pedro Gomez Silva, a forensic chemical expert, tells police
cadets that for fear of Burundanga, Colombians shouldn't accept food, drinks
or cigarettes from strangers, nor buy them from street vendors.
What's more, to be on the safe side, Colombians shouldn't help when asked
for directions or the time of day. And forget sidewalk romances. The way things
go with Burundanga, flirting with a stranger could lead to a really lost
weekend.

End article.

plátano

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calif en la selva says on Mar 30, 2005, 16:48:

banking in medellin This is for dwmte. You gave me information about opening a bank account in Medellin. Today we went to Bancolombia in centro Medellin and I had a chashiers check I bought in Calif at my bank. The bank wouldnt even consider using it or attempt to work with it as I wanted to open up a account, they say the politics of the contry are prohibiting it.We could use the card to purchase rings, dress, apartment etc. I'm only here until the 7th of april and have to go back to work. Anything you can do to help me as Iientend to marry and live here in Medellin. we also went to Banco Republica and tomorrow I'll try at Banco Oxidente. How do the rest of you guys do your banking?
Any help from anyone would sure help me.Thanks

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ws244 says on Mar 30, 2005, 17:37:

bank account your girlfriend can open an account and you can send your money to her account. colombian law says when you tranfer dollars to colombia it will be converted in to pesos, so goodbye dollars.
look at apartments in person and forget the internet.
rent a new apartment if you can. old apartments are a hassle.
you girlfriend can rent one a lot easier than you can. there are legal documents that are necessary for above board apartment rentals there, more than here. in colombia you need an honest girlfriend and she can take care of everything for you.
ws

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dwmte says on Mar 31, 2005, 04:37:

california i gave a contact on your other thread, at bancolombia. try it. you need someone to go to bat for you.

i remember it took so long to get my account.

good luck.

as other posters and myself have noted, you can use your credit card to withdraw monies in colombia and nobody knows your banking amounts and personal information.

dw

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calif en la selva says on Mar 31, 2005, 19:26:

thanks DW We have been using the atm card...maybe you can message me with your telephone number here in medellin and i can talk with you...we might have some luck in banco oxidental. i appreciate the help

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