MOVING BACK!!!

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 13, 2006, 10:58:

what happened to the reasons behind the Political Asylum visa? You should have lived on the WEST Coast...the East Coast People are like that and the weather sucks over on the east coast!!!!...jejejeje...oh, crap, did i post thattttt????!!!!!


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 19 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

LOLA2877 says on Jun 13, 2006, 11:07:

I DONT CARE ANYMORE I JUST..SAY I DONT WANT IT ANYMORE..SERIOUSLY! I DONT CARE! THIS 7 YEARS HAVE BEEN A NIGHTMARE!! AND ..ABOUT WEST COAST OR EAST COAST..FOR ME IS ALL THE SAME!

jaramillo says on Jun 13, 2006, 11:30:

I have lived in Medellin , Bogota, NY, S.F., Dallas, Atlanta, Salamanca (Spain), plus a little town in the midwest I now call home. I've been pretty happy everywhere. I guess I'm too dumb to be unhappy. My home is where my wife and children are. I sure miss Medellin, but I also miss the others (some more, some less). Have a great life in Bogotá! Best to you.

LOLA2877 says on Jun 13, 2006, 11:45:

THANKS FOR WRITTING ME BACK..YES U ARE RIGHT...!
AS LONG AS I AM WITH MY FAMILY I'LL BE FINE..

utopiacowboy says on Jun 13, 2006, 11:57:

Can you try persuading the other 600,000 Colombians in the US to return with you? I am curious why you say everyone knows that it's not easy living in the US? I find it very easy and so does my wife. We must be just too ignorant to know any better.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

adela says on Jun 13, 2006, 12:29:

Hi dear Lola

I understand your feelings. If you are an open person that in the past enjoyed people around you, I do know that a development and industrialized country could be hard place.

I do like to talk to anyone on the street. My point is that every person is interesting. With that ideas I lived in PR and US and looked at least the homeless people to talk. It was a nice experience, especially because I found two big families that supported me and my husband with their frienship.

Bogota is great now,just imagine to walk with you family for some of the various parks there, drinking a cup of Colombian coffe, or perhaps taking the transmilenio and traveling faster.

I wish to know more about you, just email me anytime. I have a family here, husband and my 10 yrs old daughter. Gringos here are not nice when you say you are feeling bad in the US. Utopia is a great guy with a black sense of humor.

The other hand is that if you have political asylum, at least you saved your life and meet your hubby, isnt?
a_dentro at yahoo.com.mx

CaliCalor

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 13, 2006, 12:59:

7 Years ago your life was so much in danger that you had to flee Colombia to save your life and seek political asylum? and now, because you are not happy, i guess the threat of your personal life is not there anymore? Sorry, doesnt add up....either the threat never existed, or you are willing to put your life back in danger to be happy......political asylum visas are like a light switch, i see..

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 19 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Jlove says on Jun 13, 2006, 13:36:

Unfortunately I have caught the other end of someone with the same view. My girlfriend wanted to return because of her desire to live free with her friends and to enjoy the social life of Cali. The social life is more free while here is more focused on being successful. As far as education is concerned, you control who you associate with. there are uneducated people everywhere and educated people everywhere. Hopefully you will find yourself when you return. My girlfriend did enjoy her return to her original life style. Good luck.

shirly1981 says on Jun 13, 2006, 14:59:

Bogota???....mmm.....enjoy it!!!!! There is nothing like going back home, whatever you can get in other country, better status, money, career, job nothing is gonna change that desire to go back.....Personally i dont like bogota, i used to live there and what i have is 70% of bad memories and 30% of good ones...pollution, guys trying to sell you what they just stole, cold neighbors that dont even say good morning 'cause they think you are a robber, people that wait to sit down in a bus like for 5 mins after you get up of that chair ("'cause of the virus"), raining raining and raining, there is always somebody trying to take advantage of you, there is always gonna be a bogotano telling you know that cachacos are better than costeños anyway thats part of colombia enjoy it!!!!!!

Sophia

utopiacowboy says on Jun 13, 2006, 19:18:

Well, you know what Dorothy kept saying in Wizard of Oz, "There's no place like home." It may be an absolute sh*thole but it's your sh*thole.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

billyb says on Jun 13, 2006, 19:26:

If the US is... Such a horrible place, why are you waiting to have your child there? Why not have it in Colombia, or better yet, Paraguay? Maybe you want to have a safaty valve in the US incase things don't work out? Maybe the problem is you. While I miss Colombia, I still love it here and so do most foreigners I know.
BillyB

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 13, 2006, 19:32:

i dunno,,if one thinks only in the interest of what is best... for the child, i would have the baby born here, too...just makes more sense.....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 19 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

billyb says on Jun 13, 2006, 20:50:

MC, I agree... I would have it born here also. But then again I'm not saying how much I hate the country, the people, the weather, the food ....etc. and oh, by the way, can you save my life by giving me asylum? And also, can I have the benefits of US citizenship for child while you're at it?
BillyB

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 13, 2006, 22:19:

She doesnt seem to whine any more than most native Americans just seems life has not gone her way, as that applies to alot of native americans as well....how many times have you read on PBH about foreigners, including US citizens, that complain about Colombia, Colombian food/weather/the people/etc.....and then try figure out ways to violate the Colombian immigration laws, so they can stay there illegally and work......exact same thing as the OP, just in reverse....so i would not criticise her for what alot of Americans do as well....I just cant figure out the political asylum angle of the post...doesnt make any sense....but, some immigration official must have agreed with her case for some reason....the OP hasnt responded to my question, not that i would expect it to happen,,,

I have always said that Whining is the new American Pasttime, and it seems to be contagious......=)

.Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 19 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 13, 2006, 22:23:

Also, i never had luck trying to convince a pregnant women of .. anything!!! Good luck to everyone else!! =)


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 19 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

billyb says on Jun 14, 2006, 08:06:

I hear you MC.... Americans are some of the biggest whiners out there, that is until they go abroad and see how petty their complaints are compared to the real suffering going on. In her case though, it's more like somebody begging for food on the street and then spitting it out because it wasn't like mom used to cook.
BillyB

lockheed says on Jun 14, 2006, 09:05:

LET'S GET REALISTIC A few days ago the mother of a Colombian girlfriend of my wife was visiting her daughter, and my wife asked her if she likes it, and she blured out the same things as LOLA. And it pissed me of.
Colombia is very beautifull, Bogota is gorgeous, I visited Armenia recently and it's almost like heaven.
Colombia is very good and in some cases it could probably be better than the states, but this is only for the chosen few, THE ONES WITH THE $$$$, or EUROS, if you don't have that don't come B.S. ing me with all that stupid stuff.

Miguel says on Jun 14, 2006, 09:24:

Hey! Have the kid in the USA, go to colombia, and that little kid will be born with options!

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 14, 2006, 09:47:

In the US, the "Customer Is Always Right"..in Colombia.. no one gives a shit what your problem is..afterall, it is Your problem.....hahahaha......the US should be that way!!!!!!!!!! we need more Whine-anonymous programs....let Senator E. Kennedy know, ok?


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 18 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

tigredelnorte says on Jun 14, 2006, 12:06:

Be careful Lola you might move back to Colombia, and find out that your old friends now have new lives. You might find out that they don't have much time for you. You might want to go back for an extended visit, befor you make such a big decision. Life is what you make of it.

divina22 says on Jun 14, 2006, 14:48:

There are whiners everywhere in every part of the world.... don't blame all fo us....... oh yeah, and maybe the fact that you are a selfly proclaimed anti-social might have just a tad bit to do with it.......... just my opinion though, which everyone has.....

Winners have simply formed the habit of doing things losers don't like to do.......

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 14, 2006, 14:58:

I would take Tigres advice,,,,leaves you with a Plan B... Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 17 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

el hijuepu says on Jun 15, 2006, 13:01:

Lola,

I am an american.......... Born in the USA. Ive lived my entire life here in the USA. I can't wait until the day comes when I have enough money to retire and move to Colombia. IMO it is the most beautiful country in the world. Please dont let the comments of the people on this board upset you. They, like many Americans, think that the USA is the best country in the world and that EVERYONE in the world has to LOVE it or LEAVE it.

I personally beleive that most people here are brainwashed. We have been taught since birth that Americans have unlimited freedoms. That is the farthest thing from true.

I personally am leaving. I am going to live in Colombia where my heart is. Where I can raise a child who learns what true respect is. Who can appreciate other cultures and people. Who arent self centered, spoiled brats who think that everything is all about them.

divina22 says on Jun 15, 2006, 14:48:

I can't wait to retire there either!!! I agree with you el hijuepu....... I can't wait to live on my finca, watching my dairy cows graze as I sip me some aguardiente!!! LOL

Winners have simply formed the habit of doing things losers don't like to do.......

utopiacowboy says on Jun 15, 2006, 17:56:

Why would everyone have to love the US? I would say most people hate it and if they hate it why would they want to spend one second here longer than they have to? Can you take Barbra Streisand with you?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Simon says on Jun 15, 2006, 18:14:

I also live in the US. It's without a doubt a SUPER COUNTRY. I love the safety, the good wages and how organized everything is.

But I was recently in Colombia and saw that there is still so much poverty. And those streets and sidewalks, my God, when will they ever fix them?? But I felt so happy there. The truth is that now I feel a bit depressed, I miss the family, friends, the scenery, the atmosphere, etc.

I want to go back as soon as possible but I started a new job here in the US and they will only give you a week off after your first year on the job!! JUST ONE FREAKING WEEK AFTER A WHOLE YEAR!! That seems so damn stingy to me!

Does anyone here know how one can go about getting a good job in Colombia, perhaps in american companies located there?

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

el hijuepu says on Jun 15, 2006, 19:53:

Simon... I dont have any details... but this may be something to look into...

http://www.intel.com/jobs/colombia/sites/bogota.htm

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 15, 2006, 20:26:

That would be Blue, Tinto, & if we get him drunk, he might sing! Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 16 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Rubiazo says on Jun 15, 2006, 21:02:

Take your pick You can live in the US and make good $$$ and have all your little toys, but suffer in other ways, or you can move to Colombia but you will be a lot worse off materially. Everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too!

Where the hell does that something-for-nothing mentality come from anyways? Everybody wants the good things of Colombia but don't want to sacrifice anything that's good about the USA for it? For that matter how is it so many MORONS on here post about how good the USA is but refuse to admit that there are negatives against the positives of living here? What are they teaching you freaks in school these days? :P

adrimm says on Jun 15, 2006, 21:22:

I think it's becuase people have a hard time seeing things in grey. Things are either good or bad, and never a mix of both.

It is similar to how so many people completely blacklist the entire country of Colombia as a travel destination; those of us who have been there realise it's not quite so simple as that.

Rubiazo says on Jun 15, 2006, 21:46:

Here's a historical perspective Since Blue ain't on the ball and all:

ROSALIA:
Puerto Rico...
You lovely island ...
Island of tropical breezes
Always the pineapples
growing,
Always the coffee blossoms blowing...

ANITA:
Puerto Rico:
You ugly island...
Island
of tropic diseases.
Always the hurricanes blowing,
Always the population growing...
And the money owing,
And the babies crying,
And the bullets flying.
I
like the island Manhattan -
Smoke on your pipe and put that
in!

OTHERS:
I like to be in America!
Okay
by me in America!
Everything free in America
For a
small fee in America

ROSALIA:
I like the city
of San Juan

ANITA:
I know a boat you can get
on.

ROSALIA:
Hundreds of flowers in full
bloom.

ANITA:
Hundreds of people in each
room!

ALL:
Automobile in America,
Chromium
steel in America,
Wire-spoke wheel in America,
Very
big deal in America!

ROSALIA:
I'll drive a
Buick through San Juan.

ANITA:
If there's a
road you can drive on!

ROSALIA:
I'll give
my cousins a free ride

ANITA:
How can you get
all of them inside?

ALL:
Immigrant goes to
America,
Many hellos in America,
Nobody knows in
America,
Puerto Rico's in America!

ROSALIA:
I'll bring a TV to San Juan.

ANITA:
If there's a current to turn on!

ROSALIA:
I'll give them new washing machine.

ANITA:
What have they got there to keep clean?
ALL (except Rosalia):
I like the shores of America!
Comfort is yours in America!
Knobs on the doors in
America,
Wall-to-wall floors in America!

ROSALIA:
When I will go back to San Juan -

ANITA:
When you will shut up and get gone!

ROSALIA:
Ev'ryone there will give big cheer!

ANITA:
Ev'ryone there will have moved
here!

tequendama says on Jun 15, 2006, 22:53:

el hijuepu, thank you for your message to Lola, you said it.... better, much better that I could ever have. "Respect", "Appreciation for other cultures and people", "Un-self centered" people, the young generation here is so spoiled rotten. Unfortunaletly youth there are loosing all mentioned above. Who's to blame? the virtual world we live in now has allot to do with all this filtering to Colombian youth. I wish instead more of the good american things would pass on to the youth of Colombian and other countries than advertisement on style, sex and materialism. For example remember the slogan "Keep America Beutiful", "Don't be a litter bug" well why can those things catch on there, where people are concious of their environment, keeping it clean, unpolluted, things like that, for others to come.

Anyways, thanks for your sincerity and I wish you and Lola, much love, happiness and success in all you do there, enjoy life to your fullest, wherever your heart may be.
TQ

el hijuepu says on Jun 16, 2006, 07:36:

tequendama Thank you for you kind words. I agree. The US has many great things. Unfortunately, as you mentioned, the things that are the most important to me such as respect and values have become lost in the materialism and the elitism.

The first time I visited Colombia, I remember hearing all of the "horror stories" about Colombia. But I took them with a grain of salt. And when I was there, I was very impressed. Young children addressing their seniors with respect (Señor/Señora). The professionalism of the people working behind the desks in places of business. Their willingness to help. The smiles on the faces of the people. People who don't even know you, yet they are willing to open the door of their home for you. People who don't have much money at all, yet they never pass the opportunity to offer you a meal. This is the Colombia that I love.

LOLA2877 says on Jun 16, 2006, 09:14:

THANKS A LOT!!! U UNDERSTOOD MY POINT. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO HATES ME OR MY COMMENTS.. BUT ..THANKS A LOT THAT;S ONE OF THE REASONS I WANT TO MOVE I WANT TO RAISE MY KD AND I WANT HIM/HER TO RESPECT ME AND LOOK AT ME AS HER/HIS MOM NOT AS A CREDIT CARD. I WANT TO HAVE THE TIME TO BE WITH HIM/HER I DONT WANT TO LEAVE HIM EVERY MORNING IN A DAY CARE AND WORK TO PAY FOR IT I AM SORRY BUT THERE ARE BETTER THINGS THAT A JOB AND DOLLARS.I DONT WANT TO GET RID OF MY SON AT THE AGE OF 16? 18? AND SEE HIM EVERY THANKSGIVING...NOOOOOOOOOO WAY!
ONCE AGAIN THANKS FOR WRITTING ME BACK.

utopiacowboy says on Jun 16, 2006, 10:20:

That was hilarious, Rubiazo. There is no free lunch.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

mzzmerized says on Jun 18, 2006, 20:32:

you have a lot of good points about life in the US but I think that you blew it with your comment about waiting for your child to be born before you leave...if the US is such a nightmare why would you want your child to be born there...better leave now and have your child a pure Colombian citizen and not tainted with an United States citizenship...

el hijuepu says on Jun 19, 2006, 09:22:

mzzmerized Lets be realistic. There are obvious benifits to being born in the US instead of Colombia.

Rubiazo says on Jun 19, 2006, 15:46:

Maybe it's because if the kids are born here they can still be very easily naturalized in Colombia and then will have TWO citizenships. In that case two is always better than one!

I'm actually thinking of getting Italian citizenship just so I can get a Schengen passport and then if I ever want to work in the EU I don't have to suck some beauraucrat's dick and jump through hoops for a work visa.