Middle class Colombians and their great love for all that’s American.

elmodefoque says on Sep 17, 2007, 10:58:

the only thing about barranquilleras which is different from interior colombianas, they love the crap outta their barranquilleros

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Simon says on Sep 17, 2007, 10:59:

I'm with you dude. Tristamente, mucha de nuestra gente no tiene dignidad!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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jaramillo says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:02:

Says the guy with Rambo as his avatar.

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poco says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:09:

This is NOT limited to the wealthy. There are plenty of stores and clubs using North American names and the clientele is definitely NOT wealthy.

U.S. goods and services are known to be the best in the world and have higher degree of customer service.

Plus: I noticed a NEW Coldwell Banker office in the NEW office building across from the NEW exito and NEW central shopping mall, La Victoria in Pereira.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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Simon says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:11:

So only people from the US are allowed to like Hollywood movies, genius? And I guess then no one in the US should like Colombian coffee, emeralds, or Shakira either?

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Simon says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:13:

"U.S. goods and services are known to be the best in the world"

I always thought the Japanese and German goods were the best. I wouldn't trade my Toyota for any US car!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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elmodefoque says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:14:

This is the mind set of different estratos. Those living in estrato 4 and above will only go to clubs with an English name cus is gotta be the in place to be seeing. American names means wealth and privilege to them.
While the barranquilleros from estrato 3 and below only go to clubs with local name, such as “corroncho hijueputa, MamaGallo, and CaraMonda etc. cus they believe any club with English names only play musica de marica.

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El Polo says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:15:

LOL "genius"

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El Polo says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:20:

I dont give a chit what they call any of those clubs as long as those serve costenita beers, ron de medellin and the broads in those pics are present

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elmodefoque says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:22:

sorry, i left out another one MIX
here is the complete list

http://www.lacheca.com/index_destapador.html

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El Polo says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:29:

no joda by the way these pics look i think i might be traveling to bquilla soon

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elmodefoque says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:33:

BROWNS?
Dique MIX. if i go to a "bar" in south curramba and ask for a long island ice tea, you know what they gonna say. "Long island que? que carajo es esa monda? aqui temos antioqueño y aguila, si tu quieres te sampo el guaro y la cerveza en un vaso y le llamas corroncho ice tea, marica!!!

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esanch36 says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:39:

do ever party in cartegenna elmo? Do you like it there to0o?

All right, I'll ask: How come it took three seconds to euthanize Eight Belles, but the Womens NBA is starting Year 12???

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elmodefoque says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:42:

man , i love cartagena big time.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:44:

I've always believed Swedish goods were the best in the world, except cel phones, where the Finnish Nokia is clearly the best. Services? perhaps, we don't believe in "services" here.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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El Polo says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:53:

If your in cartagena i recommed Mr babilla if you new to the coastal enviorment, if your not so new I recommend trivala and after that go to the estanco across the street.

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elmodefoque says on Sep 17, 2007, 11:54:

polo, esas curramberas con billetes son las pelas mas bonita en to colombia. un hijueputa viejo como yo na levanta ahi, pero si tu eres joven y colombiano/americano forget it, vas a necesita 2 mondas. las pelas andan en grupos grandes. Yo le digo a mis hijos, son pinta brava, que viajen a curramba a culiar toas estas pelaitas pero esos maricas solo le gustan dominicanas. nunca an viajao a colombia

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elmodefoque says on Sep 17, 2007, 12:02:

mira este es mi hijo cuando tenia 13, y todavia es una pura pinta y bien alto. esas pelas del norte de curramba se lo comerian vivo pero el marica esta muy enamorao con una domincana

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El Polo says on Sep 17, 2007, 12:04:

dominicanas no puedo elmo. yo estoy contento con mis colombianas. Elmo the dominicans in NYC can get annoying. all you hear out there mouth is loco this loco that santo domingo this santo domingo that tigre this tigre that. no joda ombe

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elmodefoque says on Sep 17, 2007, 12:09:

tomorrow sounds good to me. i'll call the morph

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El Polo says on Sep 17, 2007, 12:13:

if he is living in NYC I can understand, he is being surrounded by everything but costenos, I personally dont know many costenos in NYC or Jersey, I do see alot of junior jersey when ever there is a festival but the majority of them are from medellin cali etc..

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curramberochris says on Sep 17, 2007, 12:34:

Perhaps it is linked to the upper estratos, but then again I have seen plenty of places in other neighbourhoods with "English" names, my favourites being "comida Rapida Kevin" on the Simon Bolivar and a barbers called...."moustache sport"...I kid you not.

People also take words in English and use them as names....Misleidys...lady. I have also heard stories about people being given names like "onedollar", "usnavy" ...any word in English must be good it seems.

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britz30 says on Sep 17, 2007, 13:25:

Elmo what do you guys do for fun in NYC?

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toneloc24 says on Sep 17, 2007, 13:28:

Nothing like what they do for fun in la currumba.

Elmo/Morph - I'll be up there this wkd. Probably will try to catch up with you on Fri. or Sat. nite. Depends on when I make it in.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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poco says on Sep 17, 2007, 14:06:

Quote: I always thought the Japanese and German goods were the best. I wouldn't trade my Toyota for any US car!

Odds are that the Toyota is made in the U.S. Toyota has these plants in the U.S.

This is an old list so maybe there are more today? Probably not less.

Buffalo, W. Va.; a power-train production plant;

Fremont, Calif.; a joint-venture assembly plant, New United Motor Manufacturing Inc., which is co-owned with General Motors

Georgetown, Ky.; two assembly plants;

Princeton, Ind.; an assembly plant; and St. Louis and Troy, Mo.

Huntsville, Ala., engine plant.

Toyota (Hilux) has an assembly plant in Colombia but new cars cost more ?? Maybe it's the taxes??

Interesting isn't it,, no plants in Michigan and I'd bet NEVER in N.Y.. I believe Toyota was looking for workers that WORKED. What a concept !!!

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morphus says on Sep 17, 2007, 14:15:

Rubito/Elmo, I can make it about 5:30pm to 6pm.

Toneloc24, i'll be around this weekend. Maybe Aguana's again. I also know some good places in the Bronx if you are interested.

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poco says on Sep 17, 2007, 15:01:

Quote: Services? perhaps, we don't believe in "services" here.

Sweden does not believe in services? This does not seem correct. Which leads me to believe the term "services" does not have the same meaning. I'm being kind here.

Let's see what the CIA fact book has to say about Swedish Servies.

GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 1.1%
industry: 28.1%
services: 70.9% (2006 est.)

OH MY GOSH,, almost 71%

I just love it when someone makes these statments of fact.

Reminds me of cool mountain breezes and balmy tropical things.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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pedro says on Sep 17, 2007, 15:16:

Elmo, this is right on topic for me. I was on Rodadero beach in Santa Marta yesterday afternoon, chilling, and got to thinking about what you would make of it.

We all sat down in beach chairs, and the soundtrack coming into my right ear from the nearest bar was 70's and 80's easy listening. Nothing but English language. Kenny fokin Rogers, John Lennon, Bryan fokin Adams and the king of easy listening himself, Mr Phil Collins.

So I think you exaggerate the "musical purity" of the coast. Like any city in Colombia, it depends which part of town you're in.

At the same time, there was a viejo circulating on the beach who would sing impromptu while selling those musical shaker things. This old guy had most of his own teeth and skin like leather from being out in the sun. He was a born performer and could make everyone in the group laugh with his antics. If things got desperate, you always had the option to call him over to drown out the easy listening music for a short while.

que nota!

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ozgringo says on Sep 17, 2007, 16:50:

I was in a video store in Medellin and the girl behind the counter was named "Lady Johana".
When I mentioned this to my g/f she said that this wasn't unusual and that people in Cartegena named their kids "USARMY" and "USNAVY". Please someone tell me this isn't true...

may a thousand mangy wombats shit in your billabong

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Atrevido says on Sep 17, 2007, 16:55:

Leidy is a common name.

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Leeroy says on Sep 17, 2007, 18:49:

I too have heard of girls called "usneivy".

"Tacky", I conclude, or "boleta", as goes the Colombian equivalent.

Oh, and while "Leidy" might be boleta, "Leidydi" is boletisima.

Getting back to the OP - liking things with foreign names doesn't automatically insinuate lack-of-pride. Indeed, I see being upset about people liking things with foreign names as being far worse than liking things with foreign names. Throwing a temper-tantrum because people from your country like things that are not from your country reeks of a strong sense of insecurity, to me, at least.

When was the last time you heard an English/US guy bitch about the word "fiesta" or "patio" existing in the English language? Or of "tardy" meaning "late"? Or of "kindergarten"?

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billyb says on Sep 17, 2007, 19:03:

It's seems to be a recurring theme with him, maybe Elmo has some serious cachaco envy goin on :)

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Monpirri says on Sep 17, 2007, 19:08:

I knew a woman with the mane of Maria doroles de barriga.

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Plato says on Sep 17, 2007, 19:39:

Agree with Elmo (wassup!???). Some Colombians on the other side are tacky. Hay que representar la causa colombiana! Que paso!?

Plato

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Leeroy says on Sep 17, 2007, 19:47:

No problem Rubito - lest we forget that "tacky" is a multi-faceted and complex word. "Boleta" only covers part of it.

Next time you're doing any delta blues or Jack Johnson covers, let me know...

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Leeroy says on Sep 17, 2007, 19:52:

I've been to jackass - it's not that far from where I live. As it happens, there was blues playing.

You weren't playing a slide-solo with a beer bottle, were you?

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john_stark says on Sep 17, 2007, 20:18:

You can add the Toyota Tundra truck plant in San Antonio to your list, Poco. It's an assembly plant as well as a large parts manufacturing center. Many of the parts that they produce they send to Indiana to the Tundra plant there.

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 17, 2007, 20:30:

There is also a Toyota plant in Lafayette, Indiana: across the Wabash River from Purdue University.

And yes, Leidy is a popular name in Colombia. I have two cousins with that name. Yuranny Leidy and Leidy ... you guessed it - Diana.

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miamimike says on Sep 17, 2007, 20:44:

Desideria says on Monday September 17th, 2007 11:44:

I've always believed Swedish goods were the best in the world, except cel phones, where the Finnish Nokia is clearly the best. Services? perhaps, we don't believe in "services" here.

Cheers,
Desi
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Desi-I certainly would agree with you on the Cell Phones (nokia). My Logger friends in the Pennsylvania swear by Swedish Stihl Chain Saws as the cadillac of Chain Saws. On the cars, I've owned 6 Volvos in my Lifetime(currently one of my Cars is a 740 Volvo Wagon). All great cars and soooo easy to work on if they do need work. Not the same story with my VW Diesel New Beetle. That Diesel beetle is a mechanic's Nightmare when it does require engine work due to it being so compacted. Which is less trouble free Rubito, a Mercedes or a Volvo? I've only owned pre-1993 Volvos with the legendary B230 Red 4 cylinder Motors(the Best ever) and my 2 two Mercedes were both pre 83. I was fussy about the maintenence in both makes and all went over 100,000 miles with NO problems. My current Volvo wagon(1989) has 244,000 miles on it, compression not much different then the day it was made.
I read where an Egyptian Taxi Driver logged in over 1,000,000 miles on his 1983 (?)Mercedes 300 Turbo Diesel, quite a feat anywhere in the world as City Taxi Use is classified as "Extreme" Use so its quite a testament to a motor/Car that logs this Mileage. Still, the All Time High Mileage King Worldwide is Irv Gordon who has logged 2,500,000 Miles(verified by Volvo) on his little Red 1966 P1800 Volvo; he had it in Miami at the Volvo Ocean races two years ago and I saw it; hard to belive its condition AND the fact some of the Moving Engine Components were still ORIGINAL and functioning perfectly. Talk about over-engineered,,, More On Irv and his P1800 Volvo:

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/06/20/011973.html



"Gordon hit 500,000 miles in the late '70s"---had to laugh at a Statement Irv Gordon made in Miami when he was here for the Volvo Ocean Open races and he was meeting with Area Volvo Fans, he stated "I knew I had a special car that day when the Odometer turned over at 500K miles" I guess he had good reason indeed for that comment,,,LOL

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Sep 17, 2007, 21:07:

I put "services" in citation marks because sometimes they do not hold the quality that you could expect in a country so advanced as Sweden. Everything works, yes, but sometimes you get to wait too long and my personal pet peeve is about the Swedish mentality of do-it-yourself. No help offered, no smiling young people at stores, offices saying "how can I help you", "have a nice day". OTOH, if power company says your electricity will be turned on on that date you can bet your life on it.

Cheers,
Desi

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capitan_centella says on Sep 17, 2007, 21:24:

Oz gringo. . thats true. I have a friend of mine called ONEDOLLAR CAMARGO. .. jajajajaajajaja

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kalder says on Sep 18, 2007, 00:39:

'Scandinavian' cel phones are all designed by non-native (British/NZ/Australian/Serbian/ Iraqi/you name it) electrical engineers.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Dolfi says on Sep 18, 2007, 00:45:

The growing presence of English is a general phenomenon all over the world, and I think it is not a bad thing in tiself. It makes sense to have a language that is understood by most people in the world, as latin used to be in roman times.

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 04:26:

"It's seems to be a recurring theme with him, maybe Elmo has some serious cachaco envy goin on :) " Billy B

Guys, guys, guys, guys! you got me peg all WRONG. I doubt there is a guy here who loves and knows more about rock (American music) than me, ok, except for Miguel.
Listen, I grew up in the fokin 60’s in New York fokin City! I went to Woodstock for christ sake! BUT, I don’t wannna hear no fokin Billy Joel “Uptown Girl‿ while I’m all drunk in Puerto Colombia, Barranquillla eating mojarra frita and downing cerveza aguila, it’s just plain fokin ridiculous. I wanna hear a coke sniffing womanizer like Diomedes coming from the big ass speakers.
If I wannna reminisce my good old days when I was a long hair young stud going to the best places in NYC I’ll go to fokin Orlando, FL to the many tourist traps all along International drive, such as ESPN sports bar, Hard Rock Cafe, Planet Hollywood, TGIF, they play all the old rock chit I wanna hear.
Why would I wanna travel 20 thousand fokin miles to hang out with a bunch of Injuns in Bogotá and listen to fokin Phil Collins???????
If you guys want a taste of an authentic colombia and not a water down version, I'll take you there!
THANK YOU!!!!

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john_stark says on Sep 18, 2007, 05:58:

Phil Collins. That was frigging hilarious.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Sep 18, 2007, 06:43:

Stihl chainsaws are German, Husqvarna are Swedish.

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billyb says on Sep 18, 2007, 08:00:

I hear ya Elmo, when i go to Colombia I don't want to listen to rock either.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Sep 18, 2007, 08:15:

Oh and we make the best bicycles in the world too here in Sweden.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Monpirri says on Sep 18, 2007, 09:00:

"Why would I wanna travel 20 thousand fokin miles to hang out with a bunch of Injuns in Bogotá and listen to fokin Phil Collins???????
If you guys want a taste of an authentic colombia and not a water down version, I'll take you there!
THANK YOU!!!!"

That's the very same thing I say about visiting Colombia!! If you want to be in the real Colombia and you want to enjoy the scenery, the people, COLOMBIAN music do not go to clubs where they play all night long rancheras and mariachis, I'm sorry I know how some Colombians feel about this foreign export but really, that's not an authentic Colombia!
Llanera, cumbia, vallenato, bambuco, curralao, pasillo, and porros are authentic Colombia.

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Colombiche says on Sep 18, 2007, 09:01:

Es verdad que muchos colombianos de clase media alta viven obsesionados con todo lo gringo, sin embargo, me atrevo a decir que esta anglofilia es un cancer que afecta a todos los estratos por igual.

Miren por ejemplo cuantas personas en los barrios de estrato bajo tienen nombres como Leidydi, Maicolduglas, Yisuader, y muchos nombres con aspiraciones a ser anglosajones pero en realidad mas criollos que un diablo por su creatividad. Lo que pasa es que el cancer de la anglofilia se manifiesta de maneras diferentes dependiendo del nivel social.

Quieren otro ejemplo de eurofilia mal llevados? Que tal esos grupitos de skinheads que estan surgiendo en Bogota. Un pais con donde tan solo el 20% de sus habitantes son de descendiencia europea pura, sin embargo, ahi los ve, con sus cabezas rapadas - emulando los ideales de la escoria europea (porque los skinheads SON la escoria de Europa). Ideales extranjeros, batallas que no perteneces en nuestro agoviado territorio.

La mejor cura para esa ciega admiracion por todo lo extranjero es una salida del pais. Cuando se viaja por el mundo es que se da uno cuenta que no hay cultura ideal y que cada lugar tiene sus ventajas y sus desventajas. Hay que salir del pais, mojar los pies en otras culturas .... a veces se endiosa lo que no se conoce cara a cara. Un colombiano autoexiliado disfruta un sancocho como nunca lo hizo en su pais.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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LA_MONA says on Sep 18, 2007, 09:24:

Colombiche - there are several experiences that my friends have told me that concur with what you say, one of them is a guy who said on the plane on his way out of Colombia "Adios pais boleta". He had to wait many years and cry many tears until he was able to return and he regrets it down to the ground having thought that and having said so many bad things about his own country and for having been so ignorant about his own culture while he actually lived in Colombia.

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Monpirri says on Sep 18, 2007, 09:29:

Here's a good article in National Geography about Colombian music.

Learn more about Colombia..
www3.nationalgeographic.com/worldmusic/view/page.basic/country/content... - 36k

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Simon says on Sep 18, 2007, 09:55:

"Colombia for better or worse inherited a lot of the Spanish mentality of old, and is still struggling with that. I would see those groups of racist fuckers as simply a symptom of the old colonial mentality which hasn't quite died yet!"


I get a chuckle out of seeing this white boy telling us what Colombia is and isn't!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Colombiche says on Sep 18, 2007, 09:58:

Rubito, I partly concur with you.

That stale Iberic mentality of caste, nobility and race has dominated us for centuries.

Colombian society is still trudging its feet because it is wearing the shackles of Spanish colonialism. "El grito de independencia" was nothing but a cry to keep following the ways of the spaniards albeit as a new nation (read: keep f**ing ourselves in the spanish tradition). It was a half assed independence if you ask me.

We will never be colombians until we stop clinging to whatever few drops of spanish blood we have coarsing through our veins to feel worthwhile. Until we develop a backbone, we will have Hollywood putting a huge mirror to our collective faces and telling us what we are.

Colombia will never really be a "free" nation until we accept ourselves as we are and stop looking for outside answers to our internal turmoil.

But here is where I disagree with you. The skinhead phenomenon Bogota has very little to do with spanish colonialism, and more to do with a bunch of disillusioned young punks looking for something to emulate. I have never bothered to investigate the skinhead culture, but I do know it does not hail from the Iberic peninsula (after all Europe stops at the Pyrenees LOL). It strikes me more as an anglosaxon/northern/recessive gene European phenomenon that has absolutely NO place in our criollo society.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Monpirri says on Sep 18, 2007, 09:59:

Que pasa Simon porque tan bravo? No dejen que lo saquen la piedra.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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toneloc24 says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:03:

LOL!!! Here we go. Someone pass the popcorn this a way.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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Monpirri says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:03:

Oops

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Colombiche says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:06:

Monpi, Simon, en vez de atacarlo personalmente, atanquelo con argumentos.

Demostremosles que los colombianos sabemos debatir con estilo, clase y con inteligencia.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:07:

SKINHEADS IN BOGOTA???? YOU'RE KIDDING ME
First we got rock music all over the fokin place over there, then devil music, then electronic european chit, what next?
Yes, of course, skinheads!!!
What the fok is wrong with you guys in bogota, should i go there and slap you upside your heads??

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Colombiche says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:08:

Elmo, I like electronica. I don't think a country can close itself to outside styles and influences. Just don't lose your freaking identity while you are at it, that's all.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:09:

is all that rain, cold and altitute fokin with your brains???

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Colombiche says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:11:

My brains? Nothing wrong with a little bit of electronica every now and then.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Monpirri says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:11:

Tienes razon Colombiche, he cambiado de idea de lo que dije!

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:12:

i forgot
it all started with all those bogotana injuns chasing gringos around like they were gods. then came the rock music, then the devil .................

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Monpirri says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:14:

But I really think that Medellin is going through an ID crisis, too much of that stuff.

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Colombiche says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:16:

De acuerdo monpirri.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:17:

my colombian brothers from the interior (cachacos) need a serious dose of reality check. I'm bringing you guys a whole lotta fokin mirrors

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:17:

maybe you guys need to talk to Dr. Phil or something

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:18:

at this rate , you'll be just like argentina and uruguay in no time

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:24:

colombiche, mi reina, if you like that electronic european chit, then i love it. I'll be the first one on the dance floor banging my head against the wall high on extasi

Gee, i just made mental picture of me jumping around and then banging my fokin head against a wall and it loooks foking RIDICULO jijjijji
Un maldito viejo como yo

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Simon says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:35:

"Even the skinheads to a certain extent "belong" in Colombia as much as they belong anywhere. Colombia for better or worse inherited a lot of the Spanish mentality of old, and is still struggling with that. I would see those groups of racist fuckers as simply a symptom of the old colonial mentality which hasn't quite died yet!"


Alright, here we go. I disagree with the skinheads "belonging in Colombia as anywhere else" argument because Colombia, as Colombiche already mentioned, is predominantly a mestizo nation (80% non-white). Therefore the existence of these hate groups that promote racial purity here is absolutely ridiculous. I understand why such groups would rise in mainly caucasian societies such as Germany or the US, where many whites feel threatened by the increasing minority populations, but not in Chibchombia because whites are the minorities here!! And the Spanish colonial mentality does not correspond with the agenda of these racists, remember, the Spaniards actually mixed with the indigenous population since they did not bring over many women.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Colombiche says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:51:

Elmo, I couldn't stop laughing, I am picturing you high on ectasy and speed dancing to benny benassi with your brand new hip.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:51:

Guys please tell me where I find these Colombian skinheads? I 'm bringing my ass whooping stick and a lotta these modefoques gonna get hurt.
This is just as bad and preposterous as Colombians against undocumented Mexican workers.

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 10:53:

oh yes, i almost forgot my brand new hip, that fokin hip is gonna fly off and hit somebody in the fokin head jijijijij

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Simon says on Sep 18, 2007, 11:01:

Yeah, I hear ya Elmo, me and my M-16 would love to go give these Nazi bastards some 'chumbimba'!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 11:06:

can someone please take a picture of them, I still can't beleive it!!!!!!!
If is true, then i blame all that so called harmless rock and devil musi chit.

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elmodefoque says on Sep 18, 2007, 11:23:

GIB next time you see them thar cachaco skinheads please ask if you could take a picture. Tell them there’s an old black corroncho modefoque from Barranquilla, now living in NYC, dying to have a good laugh.
THANK YOU!!!

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kalder says on Sep 18, 2007, 11:32:

Re: Skinheads

InterestedObserver reports of a Falangist group in contemporary Colombia.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/fascism-in-colombia/

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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esanch36 says on Sep 18, 2007, 12:20:

Colombiche are you going to the Summer Dance festival in Cartegenna in January???

All right, I'll ask: How come it took three seconds to euthanize Eight Belles, but the Womens NBA is starting Year 12???

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droble77 says on Sep 18, 2007, 12:25:

I doubt the skinheads in Colombia have anything to do with the original ideology of those groups in Europe. It's just another excuse for a bunch of kids to hang out together and cause trouble, and to differentiate themselves from (and compete with) all the other troublemaker groups out there. Something that El Tiempo has pointed out is a growing phenomenon in Bog. I like to call these hooligans "baby FARCs" Theme and Variations. . . it's the same problem that has always held back Colombia, just at a smaller local scale. . .

By the way, on my last day in Bog, which was yesterday, some teenaged girl tried to pick my back pocket (I never put anything back there anyway). I just looked at her and she giggled a bit and walked off. This was on Cra 15 and 80 near the Unilago in the late afternoon where there's a lot of pedestrian movement at that time of the day. Truth to tell, I didn't feel comfortable from the get-go waiting for my date in that area (it was her brilliant idea). I must have had the "papaya" look because frankly on last days, my mind is more on the flight home and the J-O-B than on dealing with the right-now, something which has admittedly tripped me up in the past.

My Bog trip was nice and although some people will insist the city is safer, I don't feel it's safe enough for my taste. I think Medellin is safer. I will leave Bog to GIB and all the other bad-asses who want to play there. :-))

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Cerealkiller says on Sep 18, 2007, 12:29:

I read the article of the skinheads in Bogota who stabbed some musician outside Gotica. I agree with Simon and Colombiche, I dont think it has to do with european colonialism, I just dont see how they could be related.

I read an article in El Tiempo a couple of months ago on names such as Leidy, Jennifer or Jessica and how english names in Colombia are usually given to children from poorly skilled backgrounds. Some employers dont even bother interviewing people with such names because they feel these names are not contributing to the company's prestige. And it has gotten to such a point that if your name is jessica and make a phone call to an office, chances are you are less likely to get through the person you asked for, than someone with a less "exotic" name.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Simon says on Sep 18, 2007, 12:43:

Maybe we should do what they're gonna do in Venezuela and outlaw these ridiculous names.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Cerealkiller says on Sep 18, 2007, 13:01:

well Simon, outlawing these names doesnt seem to be the most democratic alternative. I mean, if they watch a Caracol Pelicula in which the alpha male responds to the name James or "Yeims" and the sexy female is called "Pussy Galore" or "Jinx", then there must be nothing wrong with those ultra cachesudo names. Right?
But I would definitely encourage people to show their love for their children in more traditional ways...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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pedro says on Sep 18, 2007, 13:17:

Simon, have you ever thought about moving to Venezuela? It'd be perfect for you.

If you want to hook up with other xenophobic tools who share your cause, you will be in good company over there.

Seriously, you should think about it. Most folks hate foreigners there, it doesn't matter which country they're from. You won't see any of that grace and generosity of spirit towards a visiting stranger that Colombians normally display. You'd love it.

que nota!

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Simon says on Sep 18, 2007, 13:18:

I remember I read an excellent article in El Tiempo by Daniel Samper about one or two years ago about this foreign name epidemic I wish I had saved it.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Cerealkiller says on Sep 18, 2007, 13:26:

I would ban not-name names such as onedollar and usnavy, those are not names for people. Sometimes it pisses me off to hear all these terrible names. I cannot respect someone who calls their children stupid things. If my mother had called me Leididi I wouldve been a VERY sad cookie.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Simon says on Sep 18, 2007, 13:36:

Did you hear about the poor guy named 'Hitler'? He's some bright kid too who was named to head some youth organization in Colombia (not a 'skin head' group by the way).

I also hate the name 'Leidy', I mean, that's not a freaking name! Everytime I go to Medellin I meet some girl named 'Leidy'. Pobrecitas!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Cerealkiller says on Sep 18, 2007, 13:50:

hahaha yes, Hitler. What kind of parent does that? I read about someone called Hemofilo too, or the kid in Venezuela whose name is Yesaidu (Yes I do). Seriously, It makes me think some people have children just to give them humiliating names...I could never come up with something half as twisted, although I do like odd names like Antonia and Ludovica.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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NELHENAO says on Sep 18, 2007, 19:00:

Its anoying to travel outside the US and find people that love everything that is american so much to the extent that they loose their idendity. I may as well just stay in the US and become a redneck.
I hope Colombia doesn't become like Venezuela in the sense that anything that is identified with the criolle (mixed races-dark population) or locally bred is synonomous with low class and vulgarity. No wonder you haven't seen Shakira's, Juanes or Carlos Vives from Venezuela. That is the price of looking so much outward for inspiration instead of appreciating your own background.

nelson henao

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slguy says on Sep 18, 2007, 19:13:

Wait a minute! you guys got a problem with a boy named Sue????? ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Simon says on Sep 18, 2007, 19:25:

"Simon, have you ever thought about moving to Venezuela? It'd be perfect for you.

If you want to hook up with other xenophobic tools who share your cause, you will be in good company over there.

Seriously, you should think about it. Most folks hate foreigners there, it doesn't matter which country they're from. You won't see any of that grace and generosity of spirit towards a visiting stranger that Colombians normally display. You'd love it."


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Pedro,

The only foreigners I hate are the chauvanist bigots who only know how to talk about how everything in their countries is better than Colombia. I love nice, respectful, and open-minded tourists. As to me moving to Venezuela, no way, keep dreaming!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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jorgegdiaz says on Sep 18, 2007, 19:30:

have you asked an italian (real one ) what they think of The Olive Garden?

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

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miamimike says on Sep 18, 2007, 19:35:

Hmmm,,, Forget Anything American,,,,Does that Include the Billions os US Greenbacks that flow into Colombia underthe auspices of Plan Colombia which have went quite a ways making Colombia safer the last few years,,,The US Congress is working on that "Idea" this very moment, non passage of the Colombian FREE TRADE agreement,,,as they say "Be careful What You wish for",,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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john_stark says on Sep 18, 2007, 20:19:

"Alright, here we go. I disagree with the skinheads "belonging in Colombia as anywhere else" argument because Colombia, as Colombiche already mentioned, is predominantly a mestizo nation (80% non-white). Therefore the existence of these hate groups that promote racial purity here is absolutely ridiculous. I understand why such groups would rise in mainly caucasian societies such as Germany or the US, where many whites feel threatened by the increasing minority populations, but not in Chibchombia because whites are the minorities here!! And the Spanish colonial mentality does not correspond with the agenda of these racists, remember, the Spaniards actually mixed with the indigenous population since they did not bring over many women."

You may be right as far as the facts are concerned. Nevertheless many Colombians do not buy into any of that mestizo nation stuff. As far as they are concerned they are white and the rest of you are mestizos. Hell they make fun of Bolvia and Ecuador for being a bunch of Indians. So if you think everybody in Colombia is holding hands and all singing "Kumbaya" you're dreaming.

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elmodefoque says on Sep 19, 2007, 05:18:

Never mind names, that don’t really matter what I’m talking about is how gringo culture is engulfing or has already engulfed all the Colombian middle class and up, and it started with their women chasing gringos around like they were gods and when one is landed, nojodaaa, paque fue eso? They walk around in cloud nine.
Listen, I travel both Colombian worlds, I know what the fok I’m talking about; I have families in both sides. The “well off‿ Colombians take their kids to MacDonald’s or just order from Pizza Hut and their kids run around on skateboards and go to pricy clubs such as froggs leggs, 7 eleven and the underground etc. When they’re not in upscale clubs they’re home in their computers lurking around to snatch a gringo just like aunt Conchita did; now living over seas and demonstrating next to her gringo husband against undocumented Mexican workers.
Poor girls have no access to internet and many have no desire or a way to pick up gringos or will ever come into contact with one during the course of her daily activities so they’re happy with Wilson (bus driver) and his 12 inches.
Poor kids don’t go to MacDonald, they barely have enough for a fokin empanada never mind the 9 mil for a happy fokin meal .
Skateboards??? jajajaj if they happened to find one laying around in front of some nice building in north Barranquilla, where the fok are they’re gonna skate, they aint got no paved street or fokin sidewalk and if they do have sidewalk and a paved street there’re gonna bust their bony ass in one of the many pot hole.
Smashing Punching or 8 Inch Nail my ass, they want Diomedes or Villazon.
Come on let’s get real here.
Colombian middle class will soon become another Argentina with no identity, but the poor will remain holding on to our culture and dignity and eating huevo de iguana

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El Polo says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:12:

One of my friends sister is dating a guy name wilson who drives a Microbus from Maria La Baja to Cartagena.

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El Polo says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:21:

She loves to dance and her favorite song is la plata by diomedes diaz

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elmodefoque says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:30:

when i was a kid i had a black friend, also lived en barrio abajo , named wilson.
poor kid was always getting beat up by dante, but then again dante used beat up everybody except me. he liked me cus i was guajiro too

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elmodefoque says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:31:

polo, mucha de esta gente cre that i make this chit up.

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El Polo says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:37:

Si los Guajiros andan armado todos.. no hay uno que no tiene revolver

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El Polo says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:40:

there is a loan shark in mi pueblo who is a guajiro i dont think this guy know how to form half a smile. siempre anda serio, he owns a finca next to my family and his vaca graze outside of his finca loose, they have even gone a far as to the plaza, and no one dares say anything cause they belong to him..

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elmodefoque says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:43:

tampoco no me cren esa viana.
Barranquilleros don't fear FARC, don't fear PARACO, don't fear ELN, don't fear common criminals but they DO fear GUAJIROS.
Dicen that a guajiro learns to shoot before he could walk, they are ALL ARMED.

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El Polo says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:48:

FARC and ELN kidnap people for money, if you kidnap the wrong costeno the negotiation would go something like this. Hey man you kidnap my cousin (everyone is cousins in a small pueblo) how about I give you 3 pregnant Vacas and a case of aguilar pero me tienes que regresar el embase cuando termines las cerveza ok??

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curramberochris says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:56:

I can testify to this. I was drinking with my girlfriend´s sister and her husband. This guy is huge guajiro, after 2 bottles of old parr and about 3 hours of old school vallenato, out come the pistols which are then waved around whilst we drink, I was actually a little scared at the time, but the whiskey helped me not to brick it. A good guy but he was hammered and waved a loaded pistol in my face.......happy days.

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El Polo says on Sep 19, 2007, 06:59:

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billyb says on Sep 19, 2007, 07:01:

Is that blood running down that toreto's shoulder?

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El Polo says on Sep 19, 2007, 07:09:

not sure my cousin emailed me the pic

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billyb says on Sep 19, 2007, 07:12:

Looks like the Chupacabra got ahold of him, jaja.

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El Polo says on Sep 19, 2007, 07:14:

If it did that chupacabre is going to pay for fokin with a Guajiro's cows

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billyb says on Sep 19, 2007, 07:16:

It could be a Guajiro Chupacabra.

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El Polo says on Sep 19, 2007, 07:27:

hmm never thought of that...

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Colombiche says on Sep 19, 2007, 10:50:

The brutal names are more often than not misguided anglicisms .. but not always.

I know a guy from El Choco, his name is Planfleto Urrutia.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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webmanco says on Sep 19, 2007, 10:59:

my colombian brothers from the interior (cachacos) need a serious dose of reality check. I'm bringing you guys a whole lotta fokin mirrors


Elmo you seem to be doing pretty good, maybe you ougth to share your shrink contact information. I hope is not the old lady you fantasize- about.


I hope that Sombrero voltiao is really big, so you could cover the old lady when you are not drunk. :-)

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

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elmodefoque says on Sep 19, 2007, 11:22:

web, my shrink has a very simple theory for happiness. Just be glad you're not dead or in jail.
everyday i wake up, i check to see if i'm still alive and then i check to see if i'm in jail.
If i'm still breathing and outta jail, i'm happy!!!!

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Bibefito7 says on Sep 19, 2007, 17:56:

i asked my uncle the same question one time i was in tower records and the part where u listen to cds was called ¨-Listening Center} i asked him why the hell it was in english?? Now that ive been here for a while i see that theres an obsession with trying to look and be american even the new parts of curramba are looking like miami, the reason i see for this is that many people want to take example of united states and its organization, the reason for the neighborhoods and the reason for the names i really dont know i guess they think it sounds cool cuz its in english its funny sometimes the other day i saw some guy selling DONAS he ment donuts, another reason is maybe when people have lived here al their lives and never gone anywhere else its normal to have somwhat of an obsession with somewhere uve never gone and probably never will have the opportunity to go especially when people so oftenly talk wonders of the U.S.

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Plato says on Sep 19, 2007, 18:23:

Personally, I like Josie and the Pussy cats!

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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morphus says on Sep 19, 2007, 20:26:

The Mcdonald's restaurants are ALWAYS packed in Colombia.

Mcdonald's is the most successful restaurant in the history of the world.

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manINred says on Sep 19, 2007, 21:25:

McDonald's is a horrid place, a burden on global society.

Speaking of 'tacky'... isn't it 'mane' in Colombia (n is with the squiggly accent)? I use that word while speaking to Mexicans, along with many other words, they don't understand me and just think I make stuff up.

charro, mane, fastidioso, etc...

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cali373 says on Sep 19, 2007, 22:00:

"U.S. goods and services are known to be the best in the world and have higher degree of customer service."

Too bad it all comes from China and outsourced from India, jajajaja. Awe man that comment made me laugh. you have not lived in the US lately because I could honestly say I now have better customer service from Colombians. But the few products that the US produces are very good quality. The food that is exported from the US is CRAP!

Smile if you are a thinker!

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cali373 says on Sep 19, 2007, 22:02:

Hey elmo, don't forget "Henry's" in Barranquilla.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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cali373 says on Sep 19, 2007, 22:14:

I just think these new trendy clubs in Bogota and Barranquilla (the biggest culprits) could be more originals with the names. you know like Kukaramakara, La Puerta, San Alejo. Why use an english name as a club name is beyond me. French or Italian names sound much more chic and fashionable.

BTW "La puerta" is a club owned by a french guy in Santa Marta. : )

Smile if you are a thinker!

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morphus says on Sep 20, 2007, 04:04:

"McDonald's is a horrid place, a burden on global society."

Why? All you have to do is not go there. Whats wrong with a little American culture?

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kalder says on Sep 20, 2007, 04:37:

Twenty years ago McDonalds served an orange-flavoured milkshake in their British outlets. You ever get that in the States?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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elmodefoque says on Sep 20, 2007, 05:25:

I raised my kids on McDonalds and half chicken and fried rice and we still love that stuff. I believe that while in Rome, you do as the Romans. They have never tasted a fokin arepa in their lives.
Now why the fok would I want to do as the fokin Romans in fokin Colombia?
Are you confused too?
Listen, what these pretentious middle class Colombians are doing is doing what the Romans do but in Colombia in other words they think our ways suck and of lesser quality.
Here in NYC, the most diverse city in the planet with no close second we have every fokin food you can imagine, but I have yet to see a gringo walking around eating a fokin arepa and listening to Vallenato. A Taco yes, arepa NO
Corona YES, aguila NO
Why taco and corona, cus Mexicans and gringos share a long history.

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manINred says on Sep 20, 2007, 08:44:

I thought 'charro' was known over all of Colombia, and indeed commonplace as a proper Spanish word!

I guess it's just a paisa term. It basically means 'funny', as in amusing or also as in strange/odd, like it does in English. When I used the word 'fastidioso' to a Mexican, she didn't understand me, she asked if it meant something that it didn't (like cansado) and I have no idea why she didn't understand it. Perhaps it only means 'annoying' to paisas/colombianos?

'De pronto' also isn't used interchangeably with 'tal vez' everywhere in Latin America.

Morphus, I don't go to it but I do see the effects of McDonalds and similar entities in society everywhere I go: of people who have no attention span, are grumpy, cronically obese etc... and the repercussions of this affect me directly.

I personally think American culture has much more to offer than McDonalds: Miles Davis for instance. Or New York, Chicago, etc...

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manINred says on Sep 20, 2007, 08:46:

And when I used the term 'mane' to a couple of bogotanas here they laughed, made fun of me, then asked me what it meant ;)

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Cerealkiller says on Sep 20, 2007, 09:36:

I only see full macd's in bogota after 11 pm as its the only cheap place open for drunks. But then again I never pay attention at any other time.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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El Polo says on Sep 20, 2007, 09:45:

LOL

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Colombiche says on Sep 20, 2007, 09:51:

Colombian youths gobble up everything that is pop American culture.

My 16 year old estrato 10 cousin from Barranquilla shacked up with me for a couple of months. If I have to listen to "Eh - eh - eh under my umBR-ELLA ella - ella - eh - eh - eh" one more time, I am going to shoot myself close range with a homemade changon.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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