mexico the new colombia?

miamimike says on Dec 10, 2008, 05:59:

That link doesn't work! I posted another Mexico article in Off topic but it reads: Mexico the New Florida as Mexico now is attracting a lot of US Northern Retirees like Florida used to,,,,

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 10, 2008, 06:25:

You can not compare the two.
Mexico and Colombia are two different worlds that speak similar languages.
Sometimes the language even sounds worlds apart.

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phillyguy says on Dec 10, 2008, 06:28:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-danelo102008dec10...

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phillyguy says on Dec 10, 2008, 06:30:

Yes, the link keeps getting cut off. Must be something with PBH See:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Look for: "Drug violence in Mexico rivals Iraq"

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Tejeringo says on Dec 10, 2008, 06:56:

True , in Mexico things are much more better (an exception maybe related to concentration of hot girls) including Language.

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 10, 2008, 06:58:

Huh? Tejeringo U serious?

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billyb says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:07:

"Sometimes the language even sounds worlds apart."

Amen.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Tejeringo says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:14:

Yes Bombero, I am quite serious . You Gringos are just some times a bit thickheaded.

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sanandressi says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:17:

When a nation sells its soul to easy money via drug trafficking then this is what you get....!

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:21:

Trying to stir some shit up huh?!
You wont win this battle. Not here anyway.

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:24:

And one question Tacoringo: if Mexico is better then why buy property in Colombia?!

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Tejeringo says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:26:

Yes I know I can not win, but hey someone has to stand up for my people in this Gringo-Colombian site.

Land is not cheap in Mexico. I'm just planning on getting ready to what it might come up in the next 7 years. Colombia has good natural resources and is far away from U.S. Mexico its just right here an advantage in the short term but big one disadvantage in the long term.

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sanandressi says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:38:

Tejeringo or Tejecano, you have a victim mentality when it comes to "my people". If "your people" are so great then why do your people run to gringolandia in mass? Because the food is here.

There was a Colombian woman who went to the US embassy for a visa and got turned down. She said the State Department official told her to stay in Colombia and make Colombia a better place. I agree and that would be my advice to a lot, not all, of Mexicans and others who only come to our gringolandia to commit crimes and other vice!

If Latins would take car of their people then they would not run north and to Europe. Stop blaming others for your social problems please?

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Tejeringo says on Dec 10, 2008, 07:49:

sanandressi is this a forum to discuss illegal inmigration ? I do not think so right.

Illegal inmigration is wrong thats all I have to say.

One more thing, and when I say my people I refer to my people in Mexico the ones who do not need shit from U.S.

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cazadorez says on Dec 10, 2008, 08:55:

I agree with Tejeringo......there are alot of people in Latino country's with big, I mean big bucks.....the people in the states think of latinos as poor uneducated people....can't really blame them for that is all they see, which is the poor class that come to work.

The people that are educated have money are the ones still ther Latin country......SO GET IT THRU YOUR HEAD GRINGOS!!!! THE HISPANIC/LATINO COMMUNITY IS EDUCATED, AND RICH IN MONEY AND CULTURE. THE TIDES HAVE CHANGED FOR ALL AMERICANS AS THEY SEE THERE BANK ACCOUNTS NEGATIVE AND THE SHERRIFS KICKING THEM OUT OF THERE FORCLOSED HOMES, (THEY ARE BEING HUMBLED A LITTLE BIT). SAD SAD SAD

EXAMPLE
Second-richest man in the world this year; even richer than Microsoft's Bill Gates, at least for now, thanks to strong Mexican equities market and the performance of his wireless telephone company, America Movil. Slim made his first fortune in 1990 when he bought fixed line operator Telefonos de Mexico (Telmex) in a privatization. In December, America Movil struck a deal with Yahoo to provide mobile Web services to 16 countries in Latin America and the Caribbean. A widower and father of six, Slim is a baseball fan and art collector. He keeps his art collection in Mexico City's Museo Soumaya, which he named after his late wife. In recent years, he has donated close to $7 billion worth of cash and stock to fund education and health projects, and to the revitalization of Mexico City's downtown historical district.

Ay Hombre....no jodas!

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tasco66 says on Dec 10, 2008, 09:37:

Maybe this link will work:

http://search.latimes.com/search?q=Drug violence in Mexico rivals Iraq&site=default_collection&entqr=3&output=xml_no_dtd&sort=date:D:L:d1&client=latimes&ud=1&oe=UTF-8&proxystylesheet=latimes&getfields=thumbnail_small.author.pubdate

or these ones:

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE4B85OY20081209

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/mexicos-...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g4zHzy8DWzrFNZ7VmZj3...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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tasco66 says on Dec 10, 2008, 09:39:

"While the security situation in Colombia continues to slowly improve (albeit unevely), Mexico increasingly looks like Colombia did during Pablo's heyday."

Yep, I must agree, fortunately for Colombia and unfortunately for Mexico.

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Mononoke28 says on Dec 10, 2008, 09:53:

I think the title of the thread is wrong, you cannot compare apples with oranges. But as far as security, kidnappings and murders, Mexico has Colombia beat by a landslide. And yet, all kinds of tourists keep going there... baffling.

Diana

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 10, 2008, 10:22:

btwells72 says on Dec 10, 2008, 10:37:

The newspaper here in Tucson the other day had an article that it is not too safe to even visit the border town of Nogales, Sonora, because of escalating violence especially in border cities.

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miamimike says on Dec 10, 2008, 11:22:

Mononoke--Not so baffling if you look at the facts as they are today. Most of this trouble takes place along the border towns like Tijuana, Juarez. Get into the interior and not much of a problem. The Mexican border towns have never been such a great place to go-its been dangerous for decades only now with Colombian drugs being re-routed thru Mexico, its much more dangerous. Tell me the last time an American was sequestered in San Miguel de Allende, Guadalajara ect when they made an ATM withdrawal.. There is much more transparency in Mexico as an example if you want to get your FM3 Rentista Visa(retiree) a simple process. Its easy to sign up for the IMSS Mexico's national Healthcare costing $350 monthly. If you look the advantages you get with a resident Visa for a retiree, you cannot even compare the two for a Retiree(Col and Mexico)

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miamimike says on Dec 10, 2008, 11:42:

Making Mexico the New Florida for US&Canadian Retirees
Mexico's relative Low Cost of living lures US Retirees.

""""Mexican assisted living facility targets U.S. retirees
Cielito Lindo, an assisted living facility in Mexico, is being marketed to U.S. retirees
BY LAURENCE ILIFF
The Dallas Morning News
SAN MIGUEL DE ALLENDE, Mexico -- Laredo, Texas, native Alice Edwards and her helicopter pilot husband have an active lifestyle in this picturesque town popular among retired Americans.

But the 60-somethings are also the new owners of a town house in Mexico's first assisted-living development aimed at the U.S. market, Cielito Lindo.

With 75 million baby boomers heading toward retirement and the cost of private nursing care in the United States outstripping hammered retirement funds, Mexican developers say they have an irresistible product in the works: active senior and assisted-living facilities in a warm climate full of friendly people for as little as $1,100 a month.

''For us, it's purely an investment,'' said Edwards. The couple will probably rent it out. But her husband, Floyd Edwards, quickly added: ``At this point, you never can tell. It's something we will all need eventually.''

Some developers are shifting their traditional condo and town house developments midstream to include assisted-living wings focused, in part, on Americans who want modern facilities with quality services rather than the informal operations or go-it-alone approaches that now exist.

LOTS OF RETIREES

There are already an estimated 1.2 million retired Americans and Canadians in Mexico who -- like their millions of compatriots back home -- will need a greater level of care at an affordable price.

''This is not going to be a niche market; this is going to be an entire industry,'' said Eduardo Alvarado, chief executive officer of La Moreleja, a residential development in San Luis Potosi, a colonial city in northern Mexico that also sports Wal-Mart, Home Depot and many other businesses familiar to Americans.

''We already have the pioneers here, but what we are seeing is that many people will come -- perhaps not because they want to, but out of necessity,'' he said. *****Many will find Mexico far more modern and far safer than they had imagined, he added.***** Miamimike Note--having visted both countries (Col&Mexico) I would concur with this statement. To those who say the Mexican interior (read not the border towns) is so Dangerous, please tell us what city you sequestered in or what city you were mugged and robbed in as well as when. Give us the details! In too many cases, people repeat hearsay and rumors when it comes to the security of another country! . The truth is had I listened to those Gossipers in 1994 when I made my first trip to Colombia, who said it was so dangerous, no good ect ect., I never would have made my trip. My advice do NOT listen to them, go and make a trip and witness with your OWN eyes whether or NOT its good.

*******For example, Alvarado said, the drug cartel violence that gets so much U.S. media coverage rarely touches civilians. Mexico ''is as safe or safer than the U.S.,'' he said.**********

*******The U.S. Embassy warns Americans to be extra careful along the U.S.-Mexico border, but otherwise considers attacks against the millions of U.S. citizens who visit and live here to be isolated and rare.********

"Mexico has a national health care system (which Americans can buy into for $350 a year) along with many private hospitals and clinics with U.S.-trained doctors(http://expatriateruminations.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/instituto-mexica.... Average life expectancy for Mexicans is 75 years, just three less than in the U.S., according to the retirement organization AARP.""


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/storie....

By miamimike on Dec 9, 2008, 12:51 in Off Topic.


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Video: http://www.dallasnews.com/video/?z=y&nvid=303617

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Simon says on Dec 10, 2008, 15:24:

"And yet, all kinds of tourists keep going there... baffling."


Why would it be baffling? You've been here (in the US) long enough to know that Americans are inherently prejudiced against Colombia. Just look at MiamiMike for instance.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 10, 2008, 15:33:

Shortiao says on Dec 10, 2008, 15:47:

I think the questions here is:

Is Colombia the old Mexico?

"cuando una persona toma otro pasaporte....pierde su identidad!" - Shortiao

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dwmte7 says on Dec 10, 2008, 16:01:

fuck....might as well buy a place in east L.A.

patriarch

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 10, 2008, 16:02:

miamimike says on Dec 10, 2008, 16:40:

Why would it be baffling? You've been here (in the US) long enough to know that Americans are inherently prejudiced against Colombia. Just look at MiamiMike for instance.
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Simon care to comment onthe post topic or you off on another one of your nightly rants? Keep to that Medication Schedule Simon,,,

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Sam Salmon says on Dec 10, 2008, 17:18:

"You can not compare the two.
Mexico and Colombia are two different worlds that speak similar languages.
Sometimes the language even sounds worlds apart."

Well said!

I've spent a lot of time in Mexico these past 25 years much more time than in Colombia, I love Mexico but could never live there, recent crime wave notwithstanding.

' a la orden!'

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Simon says on Dec 10, 2008, 17:33:

Why MiamiMike, I see you changed your post and decided that my comment did merit a response after all....I'm touched!! LOL!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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billyb says on Dec 10, 2008, 18:29:

True minina, Acapulco is no where near the border, but it is seeing some of the worst cartel related crime in all of Mexico. Their tourism numbers have gone through the floor in the last couple of years because of it.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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miamimike says on Dec 10, 2008, 21:35:

Yet no one here has come out and stated exactly where it was they mugged, sequestered and beat up when they were in Mexico. Where did you guys personally experience these problems? When? It sounds just like the stories I heard in 1993 when I first started planning my first trip to Colombia---Not a bit of difference. I went on my trip and had a great time and also I heard the same thing about mexico, payed NO attention to it and went and also had a very nice time. No Muggings, I wasn't sequestered, robbed at the ATM. I see more of that here in Miami, minus the sequestering.
You cannot generalize about Mexico city and paint it as dangerous overall. There are many upscale areas in MC and the residents go about everyday life without a Problem. Same in Bogota, Same in Buenos Aire or Sao Paulo.


Friends of mine who have been retired in Guadalajara for years have no complaints--they have not been mugged, sequestered or Robbed. Their Homes and Cars haven't been broken into though they don't frequent sector Libertad after Sundown no more then one would visit Overtown or Liberty City here in Miami after the sun goes down.Like I say I heard exactly the same type of talk about Colombia in 1993-94 and I payed it no attention. I went and experienced it myself, keep my eyes open and was aware of my surroundings and had no problem. Same principle applies to mexico, nothing more, nothing less. One friend had his bank account cleaned out by a Young Señorita but that was the guy's dumb fault for hooking up with a woman 40 years younger then him. And that type fleecing happens in Colombia as well! LOL

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La_Huella says on Dec 10, 2008, 21:41:

I dunno about Mexico being safe for Mexicans or Peru being safe for Peruvians. All of Latin America has lots of theft and crime in general. Here is certainly not an exception, but I don't think really anywhere else is.

I dunno how anybody could seriously suggest ANY kind of Mexican Spanish is better than Colombian Spanish. I've never even heard a Mexican seriously suggest that before!!! :p

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miamimike says on Dec 10, 2008, 22:05:

I never heard the criticism of the Spanish langauge courses and the Mexican Spanish I have heard here. I could see if it was Cuban Or Puerto Rican Spanish and I would agree 100%--dysfunctional spanish but the Spanish in Guadalajara is certainly way above the carribbean dialect we hear here in Miami.

La Heulla, what part of Mexico did you actually experience the type of Spanish you speak of and exactly what was wrong with the Spanish?

You have a Poster here--SMColombia who started a Thread about his bad luck with a Spanish langauge school in Bogota, does that mean all the spanish schools in Bogota are bad and that everyone should judge Colombian Spanish on his onetime experience?

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La_Huella says on Dec 10, 2008, 22:32:

I have heard lots of real well-spoken Mexicans, from the bigger cities anyways, also lots of really unintelligable Mexicans from the slums or from the campo. People from the periferias of the DF tend to eat the vowels leaving all the consonants, sounds absolutely horrible and is next to impossible to understand.

Colombian Spanish is generally recognized as the best Spanish in Latin America.

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Sam Salmon says on Dec 10, 2008, 22:35:

Like many places Spanish in Mexico goes downhill as fast as the level in the bottle.

' a la orden!'

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Tejeringo says on Dec 10, 2008, 23:04:

"People from the periferias of the DF tend to eat the vowels leaving all the consonants, sounds absolutely horrible"

hehehe wtf ? do you really have an idea how would any language sound without VOWELS? there is NO WAY any language can be spoken without vowels period.

I can assure you any of you that if I take a graduate student of any well established University in Mexico City, Monterrey or Guadalajara, or even my own small City (where I used to live) can beat any student in Colombia at the same level as far a Spanish Grammar usage is concern , not talking about accent because each country has their own and most of them think they are unique and the best.

I spent a couple of years living in Venezuela and my friends used to tell me they had the most neutral spanish accent in the continent, hehehe go figure! . I am familiar with the colombian spanish grammar in the region of Barranquilla and to be honest that is exactly something not to be really proud of. I knew a couple of Colombians from Bogota in Caracas and eventhouh they talked in a very formal and respectfully way still they used a lot of non standard words (regionalism slangs) on their speech and detected some flaws in their grammar.

And NO the Quality of Spanish you hear day to day in the U.S (Mexicans) is not the same its spoken in Mexico.

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miamimike says on Dec 10, 2008, 23:13:

Sam Salmon says on Dec 10, 2008, 22:35 (today): flag

Like many places Spanish in Mexico goes downhill as fast as the level in the bottle.
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Sam, I think you nailed it with your statement! Listen to the Spanish from BQA, sure is much different then Spanish in Bogota! For me the worst spanish is the Miami Cuban and P.Rican dialect. To me what they speak is a dialect,,,,Friends of mine from Bogota strain to understand them!

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jay007 says on Dec 11, 2008, 03:43:

its more dangerous lately cause mexicos new president is kickin A$$! the dope dealers are at war trying to cause as much havoc as they can so they will pull out the some 20,000 federal troops they have placed along the border towns to stop the police corruption and drug cartels...and it seems to be working..the public is sick of the blood shed,the president is already talking about pullin out...the same thing the terrorists are doing in iraq..you kill enough people and cause enough havoc then its just a matter of time before the powers that be call it off...better to have the stuff flow in then to have thousands of people dying and bombs going off at shoppin malls...these people are use to making money and will do anything to keep it flowing smoothly...let the addicts OD and let the dealers make there money so the rest of us can live in peace..

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dwmte7 says on Dec 11, 2008, 05:24:

the spanish spoken in mexico by the general populace middle and lower economic strata, is far more 'gutteral' than the spanish spoken in colombia, which, in general is more melodic as it is spoken in spain.

for years, our farm workers spoke in an almost un-understandable fashion. this is true of the campesinos today. not a value judgement, just a fact. when my wife and i speak around mexican immigrants, we're often queried as to where we're from and what we're speaking.

and mike....pass the night in nogales, juarez, mexicali, tecate, tijuana and tell me you feel safe. safety improves as you go further in, but along the border, it's no man's land.

patriarch

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 11, 2008, 06:30:

I've been all over Mexico and I love the country for what it has to offer. I even have an importing corporation and have invested in a wharehouse, but I must say Colombia offers more.
Safety? I feel much safer in Colombia. I have been shook down twice in Mexico for $$ by police. In Mexico City, I stayed in an apartment owned by a dentist. He was robbed 3 times at gunpoint in the 3 months prior to my arrival. Mex. City was incredibly tense and completely dangerous.
Guadalajara, on the other hand, felt very safe.
You can't generalize, but if you've encountered problems firsthand, those experiences will shape your overall view of a place. I still love Mexico. I just love Colombia a little more!

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 11, 2008, 16:54:

billyb says on Dec 11, 2008, 20:22:

I read somewhere that Mexico had one of the lowest per capita sales of books, where as Colombia had the one of, if not, the highest. Oh, Mexico did have the highest per capita sales of comic books. You draw your own conclusions.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Tejeringo says on Dec 11, 2008, 22:29:

"Why do these Mexico vs Colombia topics always go off the rails? ..............."

agreed, peace and love , peace and love everywhere.....amen

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tasco66 says on Dec 12, 2008, 04:37:

I guess if you like big belly women, Mexico is the better choice

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 12, 2008, 06:37:

The topic of women; Colombia Vs. Mexico shouldn't even come up. Let's leave this one alone, because no one will contest the truth on that.
But I would like to see Shakira scoop slam Julieta in that ice cream johnny!

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Sam Salmon says on Dec 12, 2008, 11:13:

"I guess if you like big belly women, Mexico is the better choice"

Busted!

Actually it should be something like 'if you like women with waistlines then Colombia is a better choice'-cinturones are rare as popeshit in Mexico

' a la orden!'

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