Mexican students condemn Colombia raid

de pronto says on Mar 12, 2008, 20:54:

Completamente de acuerdo contigo cali373, sólo un comentario al margen estos tipos NO son estudiantes son "culicagados" pendejos que se fueron a meter a la boca del lobo creyendo que con eso cambiarían el mundo.

Es INCREIBLE que digan que sólo estaban haciendo un trabajo de investigación, trabajo de investigación de que perdon?!, lo único que enseñan en la Facultad de Filosofía y Letras es a leer libros y a hacer ensayos.

Es INCREIBLE que estos pseudo "estudiantes" hayan encontrado un campamento "temporal" de las FARC cuando a los servicios de inteligencia les ha tomado mucho tiempo para dar con el paradero de este grupo. Hasta donde yo sé no hay un "mapa" que vendan en las calles que diga "si quiere visitar un campamento de las FARC éste es el camino" no creo que cualquier hijo de vecino pueda llegar a un campamento así

¡POR FAVOR! Esa es una lección para la gente que quiera inmiscuirse en asuntos que no les corresponde

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de pronto says on Mar 12, 2008, 21:37:

Por supuesto la gente que se manifiesta frente a la embajada de Colombia deberían ponerse a estudiar en vez de estar armando un tanto escándalo. Me queda claro que la gente no entiende la dimensión del tema.

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Dolfi says on Mar 13, 2008, 01:47:

Legitimate military target? On another country´s territory?

tomtom33 says on Mar 13, 2008, 04:33:

Hell, Dolfi, if the FARC were being pursued by Ecuador, as they claim, they would have been a legitimate target(in your view) of the Ecuadorans.

tasco66 says on Mar 13, 2008, 05:01:

The Farc is using Ecuador as a base to launch terrorist attacks into Colombia. That makes their Ecuadorian base a legitimate target for Colombia.

As for the 100 Mexican students they should be emprisoned for supporting a terrorist group

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 13, 2008, 08:09:

Everybody knows that public Unis in Lat Am are a ripe field for activists. The thing is they protest, they go, they "unmask the empire", and much more, but when they graduate they become another worker.
It`s pathetic.

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

msaucey says on Mar 13, 2008, 08:18:

DePronto, estoy de acuedo, estos muchachos parece que eran culicagados con mucho tiempo libre....

WTF, were they doing in Ecuador on a Pro-FARC banwagon.... If they want to hold anyone responsible, they should hold FARC responsible and have them pay the families, after all that's who they went to visit....

Let me get this straight... With as much turmoil as there is in the Mexican Political scene and all the issues that still plague Mexico, they found it necessary to travel to Ecuador to support the FARC, so that they can sell COFFEE!!!!

Yeah Right....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

juancegomez says on Mar 13, 2008, 10:40:

Evidently, the Colombian military and, by extension, state is responsible for their deaths, so there must be compensation.

But considering the circumstances, a guerrilla camp, and not just any camp, was bombed. Some Mexicans just happened, for whatever reason, to be there at the same time.

It's hardly a case of the Colombian military seeking out these specific people and ordering their execution beforehand, at least from what we can reasonably tell.

That certainly applies to other cases, but not to this one.

The biggest responsibility, however, lies with the individuals themselves: going to a FARC, ELN, AUC or military base is a risk nobody will ever force them to engage in. If they do so, outside of a peace process or cease-fire, their suffering the effects of warfare is not out of the question.

A FARC camp, whether it is in Ecuador or in Panama, is a legitimate military target per se.

Attacking such a camp outside of Colombia would be a violation of another country's sovereignty, just as establishing that camp in the first place would also be a violation of the same. But the camp itself is what it is.

Mononoke28 says on Mar 13, 2008, 15:25:

Yeah, they're idiots.


NEXT!

Diana

de pronto says on Mar 14, 2008, 07:04:

Tasco said "As for the 100 Mexican students they should be emprisoned for supporting a terrorist group" I dare say these guys weren't students, anyways being a student does not "permit" you to be a terrorist, therefore a terrorist should be prosecuted as a terrorist.

Just a comment, I don't think neither in UNAM (Mexico) nor in UNAL (colombia) nor in any other UNI in Latinamerica comunism, capitalism or any other way of living or thinking be tought just for the sake of having the so called "activist students" or for the sake of shaping their way of thinking into a capitalist or socialist way. Comunism, socialism, capitalism, etc
are indeed explained in public universities; however, what the student does with the given knowledge on his or her behalf it is only his or her responsibility.

These guys instead of being doing a "research work" in another country they should've gone to Chiapas to see what they can do for their indegenas brothers and sisters.

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msaucey says on Mar 14, 2008, 07:45:

de pronto, just curious, I've heard of the EZLN in Mexico..... What the hell do they actually do, besides where Che t-shirts? Just curious

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

diabloblas says on Mar 14, 2008, 08:21:

How can the colombian government expect the smaller ecuadorian government to control the same boundary they cannot do themselves?

de pronto says on Mar 14, 2008, 09:03:

Msaucey "I've heard of the EZLN in Mexico..... What the hell do they actually do"

Besides pissing off indigenas and sending them to combat the mexican army with "guns" made of wood, and besides recieving foreigners (mainly europeans) who support their cause... they do not do anything good for the people they suppose to fight for

=)

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billyb says on Mar 14, 2008, 09:04:

diablo, Colombian troops are stretched thin, fighting a war on 4 fronts, all Ecuador needs to do is protect its sovereignity from the FARC.

azunoman says on Mar 14, 2008, 09:35:

Typical Mexicans, about a week late.

Ready, Fire, Aim

diabloblas says on Mar 14, 2008, 14:42:

ecuador has other borders to protect as well billyb...& it has a much smaller army...& a lot smaller subsidy from the states

...it's like the states blaming colombia for exporting cocaine to the states...if the people in the states didn't pay for it colombia wouldn't ship it...no more problem

...the states also blame mexico for not guarding their borders & keeping their citizens fenced in...but the migrants risk their lives to go where people will pay them for manual labor...quit paying the illegal immigrants & the problem is gone

the states...& their puppets like to blame everybody else

billyb says on Mar 14, 2008, 14:51:

diablo, take a deep breath, how did the US become the focus of this discussion? If some dumbfok mexicans decide they want to plat guerilleras in acountry that has nothing to do with them and they get their a$$es blown off, it's the US' fault? Jjajaj, that type of statement just devalues the rest of your argument.

cali373 says on Mar 17, 2008, 20:37:

jorgegdiaz your response about activist is too simplistic for such a complex topic. Besides who said that you cannot be an activist and work? Are you implying that all activists are socialists? Because they are not. There are millions of activists in the U.S. and many of them hold a job. Besides in LAT AM there are lucky if even a job is waiting for them.

I have been to Chiapas and if research was the agenda well the FARC are definitely more interesting.

Smile if you are a thinker!