Mens Magazine offends Colombia!!

ColombianoX says on Jun 11, 2005, 10:01:

See it for yourselves at: www.stuffmagazine.com


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kernow62 says on Jun 11, 2005, 10:03:

I thought Colombian women were the most addictive export. They certainly seem to be treated like an export commodity on PBH.

Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 11, 2005, 10:10:

I think a better headline would be "Men's Magazine Offends ColombianoX"

Dude, you're really thin-skinned if a cheesy line on a lad's magazine offends you. The reference is obviously referring to Colombian women as better than cocaine, which, while goofy, isn't demeaning to Sofia or Colombia at all.

ColombianoX says on Jun 11, 2005, 10:18:

Mr. Hollywood,

And why must they allude to cocaine if they are interviewing Sofia Vergara? What does Sofia have to do with that atrocious drug? I think that comment is unnecesary and un-called for. You are NOT colombian or of colombian origin, so your indifference obviously doesn't surprise me.


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Crazy4Cali says on Jun 11, 2005, 10:22:

Geez dood.... ...lighten up. freakin' out over something silly as this, cheapens your legitimate gripes.

You could be a gringo (where political correctness is the real terrorism) if you're that easily offended.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Jun 11, 2005, 10:23:

on a related note I received an email a day or two ago that I think was sent to people who had purchased the "Joe Cumbeley" compact disk (http://cumbeley.com)



The email was about the "Colombian snow" tank top/camisole that Guess Jeans is selling (this was a PBH topic a few weeks ago). It included a link to the Guess site and encouraged people to contact Guess and ask them to remove the shirt.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 11, 2005, 10:33:

tinto, I got the same e-mail too. I didn't think that had anything to do with Joe Cumbeley since I acquired his cd privately; he mailed it to me himself. Since both you and me participate on several Colombia-related forums it's hard to know on whose mailing lists we are. I thought it was from somebody that belonged to Guayabo2 forum. (Yes, Joe Cumbé is a member too)
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

utopiacowboy says on Jun 11, 2005, 11:02:

In the popular mind, Colombia = Cocaine. That's the perception and as long as that is one of Colombia's biggest exports, that will continue to be the perception. It's not fair, I agree. It gets my wife pretty steamed up too.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

jags44 says on Jun 11, 2005, 11:15:

Who made her pose? Is she under age?

Lionheart says on Jun 11, 2005, 11:30:

sheesh, talk about denial here the white stuff is number one export of Colombia, it's a fact, and if somebody writes about it don't deny it. Rather be happy somebody is willing to right something else. And don't tell me it's the USA who makes cocaine the export #1 ... it takes two to tango. People haven't forgotten other Colombian products, coffee and women and bad press about violence ... I would say Colombia's greatest export is news source for violence.

ColombianoX says on Jun 11, 2005, 12:12:

"sheesh, talk about denial here"

"Rather be happy somebody is willing to right something else."

Lionheart,

And why should we be "happy somebody is willing to right (I think you meant "write") something else"?I'm truly disappointed to read this from one of this board's "moderators". Just what are you implying by that? That Colombia doesn't have any other redeeming characteristics that are worth covering?

No one here is denying that Colombia exports cocaine, that is not why I take issue with this line, the point is that referring to Colombia in that malicious manner is disrespectful and insulting.



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poco says on Jun 11, 2005, 12:13:

Hard to Believe Not:

Attractive women are Colombia’s primary tourist attraction with the benefit of being a renewable resource. I’d believed it w/o seeing,, but thanks for the link.

On my Way to Colomiba - Caught on Video

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Lionheart says on Jun 11, 2005, 12:35:

you do not want to understand CoX Colombia has many nice things people should write more about. So does the USA.

Your OP is blatantly incorrect:
"I also think it is very demeaning to Sofia to compare her to something that has brought so much bloodshed and suffering to her country. "

The cocaine production and export is not the reason for the bloodshed, it is the civil war, and the level of violence is visible to everybody in the world. Only since recently the drug trafficking is a larger topic than the civil war in the press. Worldwide the press picks the headlines based on most known images of a nation.

What I am more surprised about is that you CoX are thinking of Colombianas as prime export product. Isn't that demeaning to women in general? Especially towards those Colombianas that can't be regarded as exportable ... so Colombia being an addictive sex-industry is ok, but having a drug-industry should not be mentioned in this context.

Caballista says on Jun 11, 2005, 12:56:

lionheart, could you please tell me the products that you did name here: coffee, Woman? violence,
A WOMAN it's NOT a product!!!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 11, 2005, 13:04:

I believe that the drug culture has hurt Colombia more deeply and more lastingly than insurrection. The cartel heyday in the 80's and early 90's has damaged not only the Colombian society and culture but also its economics and international reputation. Political violence has always been part of the Colombian history but with the addition of the drug maffias it became a lethal combination that has complicated and compromised the whole society.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

DCShoeCo says on Jun 11, 2005, 13:06:

Get a grip This is what you spend your time worrying about?? Maybe you should join an offended men´s support group.

toneloc24 says on Jun 11, 2005, 13:18:

Oh, so now we get thin-skinned? Get real.

Get over it, the chick is hot!!! Barranquilla, baby!!! Talk about putting the best face of Colombia forward!!!!

Of course, ColX, you look for the negative in it. Colombian coffee is great, I get hooked on it there. It is a great source of national pride, it should be. BUT until cocaine and FARC aren't so much of an issue, you're going to have to live with the negative impression mainstream America has about Colombia.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

ColombianoX says on Jun 11, 2005, 13:20:

Lionheart,

You claim cocaine hasn't brought bloodshed and suffering to Colombia? Are you kidding? Just what do you think was responsible for the hundreds of people who died during Pablo Escobar's reign of terror? Trafficking coffee? Don't presume to lecture me about the roots of Colombia's problems, you're hardly in any position to do so!


"What I am more surprised about is that you CoX are thinking of Colombianas as prime export product. Isn't that demeaning to women in general?"

Excuse me? When the hell did I say that? You must be confusing me with just about every other guy who visits this board. I suggest you stop inventing things (lying) about me, it's very unbecoming of you. You sir, have just lost all credibility with me.


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Caballista says on Jun 11, 2005, 13:43:

ColombianosX Thank you.

kevluvsmedellin says on Jun 11, 2005, 14:04:

Hell Yes........... Its disrespectful and insulting. And that is the way they meant it to be also. Is it the end of the world,? No. But it is certainly f****d up. And typical.... This post got my attention........ All this ignorance about Colombia is really getting to me. Not only in the U.S. media but in my personal life as well. But maybe it is good in a way. Let John and Jane Q. Ignorant think these things. I hope it will keep them out of Colombia...Yes I am a native born U.S. citizen, but I appreciate the beautiful place Colombia is. And if I know one thing from lifes experience, When too many people realize something is good, it usually does'nt stay good for long.So let 90 something percent of the world think they way they do about Colombia, if thats what is needed to keep the idiots away,then I say Colombia is "worse than Hell itself".
I was watching O'reilly factor the other night(I actually used to like the guys veiwpoint)...he says about the missing girl in Aruba, "Well if the Colombians got to her, she's already dead". I had two words about that statement.WTF?..........Next day some moron at my job says to me,"they probably sold her to Colombia to be a prostitute"...Not japan or some oil country , but Colombia......I guess the best thing to do is laugh at their ignorance, because it takes to much energy to get angry.......
Kevin

Lionheart says on Jun 11, 2005, 14:11:

Colombianas as a product The posts and threads here have become rare where Colombianas are refered to as a product. As moderators Tinto and I are still deleting them when they pop up everyday, most never see them.

Colombia has become a major destination for the sex industry and for sex tourism. Just because we delete posts of people looking for this market doesn't mean it has vanished. While making the cover of a men's magazine is an achievement for a Colombiana, let's not forget that they are a major export from Colombia to the world. As soon as something can be turned into money it turns into a product. In most cases the successful models leave Colombia and the profits do not return to Colombia. The mail-order brides are also a big business and the women being offered there are also not seeing the profits. Colombianas are used to make money, they are in that sense not regarded as persons, but as products. And nobody cares in that sense about Colombia or its beautiful and better sides.

The Colombian bloodshed originated much earlier than the drug-related bloodshed, that is what I meant. I doubt today's numbers can be easily split up anymore between drug business and civil war.

toneloc24 says on Jun 11, 2005, 14:23:

As long as folks from the USA continue to not use their own brains, and believe everything being preached to them by Russ Limbaugh, Fox News (entire news staff), even CNN, John and Jane Q in middle America will continue to think that Colombia is a country completely out-of-control with drugs, guns, and war everywhere.

Like others here, I get the ignorant questions on drugs and kidnapping from my co-workers here at CNN when I am going or coming back from Colombia. I feed them all the many dangers that I have or will encounter in Colombia. I'd rather them stay away. So I feed their ridiculous beliefs. And these are educated people!!!

If this cover is disrespectful, I wonder what you think of other mens mags that also use sexy women with edgy taglines to sell their mags. Eva Longoria and Salma Hayek? Exploiting, disrespectful to the Mexican culture? Pamela Anderson? Disrespectful to women? Sofia Vergara? Disrepectful to Colombia? These are grown women making dollars off their looks. They signed off on how they are portrayed in these magazines.

So if you want to start throwing around blame, blame Sofia and her people!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

Colombiche says on Jun 11, 2005, 15:54:

GIB.... You are way off The drug war has claimed thousands of lives in colombia, and still continues to. Many innocent colombians were and continue to be trapped in the middle of this war (how many police men did Pablito Escobar have killed back during his reign??... don't know, I'll give you a clue... over 10,000!!!!!!!!)

I hate to remind you that most colombians ARE NOT involved in the drug business. It is only a few that have actually somehow benefited from this trade. I have personally never, ever had anything to do with this business and I can tell you that none of my relatives in colombia do either (and I have many).

The day that you are a campesino being "chainsawed" to pieces by a by the UC or the FARC in their war to dominate the drug market, we will understand you coming here and spewing out all this nonsense.

The drug war like any drug, has many collateral victims.

Just for the record, I do agree that the headline was absolutely uncalled for and quite tasteless. It is going to take a while for colombia to shake off that bloody image, it takes thick skin to be colombia, but you, GIB, would never know that, because you are NOT COLOMBIAN.

I am firm believer that you must walk in somebody's shoes to understand their plight. I have said this in other forums about racial prejudice and I will say it again. You don't know anything about a person until you walk a mile in their shoes.

You gringo sir, have no clue how many colombians have lost their lives in this war. I don't know if that means anything to you or not. I personally lost of friend of mine: Victor Salazar from Manizales Colombia, graduated from El Gemeli who died fighting the FARC in the jungle 2 years ago, 1 month short of his 29th birthday. He is just one of many who died in the crossfire.

If colombians are benefiting so much from the drug trade, how do you explain the fact THAT 60% OF COLOMBIANS ARE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE.

Toneloc, I don't get you. You feel the pain of a black man being discriminated, but you fail to feel the anger of a colombian who gets stereotyped all the time.

Man, I just don't get it. All we are asking for is a tiny little bit of respect.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Jun 11, 2005, 16:00:

Oops I meant to say the AUC, not the UC.

My apologies

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Jun 11, 2005, 16:07:

Just give a colombian the benefit of the doubt The freaking benefit of the doubt is all I am asking for. Give me a chance to prove I am a good law abiding citizen before labeling me as a freaking drug dealer. Give me a chance to show you how gentle and peace loving I am before branding me as a psychopathic freak who will kill anybody in her path (kind of like the colombianos in Scarface).

Yeah, I am a drug dealer. That is why I drive a pinche honda civic and not a Mercedes or a beamer. That is why I am debating here arguing with the lot of you instead of having you all "wacked". I still have to save my hard earned pennies to buy myself that Gucci watch that I've been eyeing for months.

Yeah, colombia is full of drug dealers. That is why 60% of the population is struggling with minimum wage or less, because they are stashing their verdes in a safe inside the shack where they live.

Goodness gracious.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

adrimm says on Jun 11, 2005, 16:21:

Good post Colombiche GIB, may I add:

"I think any Colombian should walk real softly on this subject since they are the producer of this killer and are profiting from its illegal use in the US, but they don't."

GIB that is like saying that all Germans were killer Nazis, that all Americans are blonde (dumb blonde joke anyone).

Also to narrow your sensitivity to the effects of drugs on the US is kinda myopic . The US has a huge population (hence often a centre of the universe perspective), but don't think for one instant that every last ounce of coke lands on pristine US shores for US consumption.

As for pointing the finger, well look at it like any other product (legal or not). If there is a market there will be a product. Kill the consumers market (figuratively), and the product will lose value becuase no one will want it. You cannot blame Colombia collectively for the drug problem in the US (and around the world). It comes down to alot of variables not the least is the fickleness of people who started using the stuff.

caslug says on Jun 11, 2005, 16:31:

US Should.. Legalize & tax it.. Just like tobacco or coffee. OK, I'm ducking now for all the incoming flak on this subject..LOL!

ColombianoX says on Jun 11, 2005, 16:59:

"I was watching O'reilly factor the other night(I actually used to like the guys veiwpoint)...he says about the missing girl in Aruba, "Well if the Colombians got to her, she's already dead". I had two words about that statement.WTF?..."

It's too bad he said that! That to me is a very discriminatory statement! I also enjoy the O'Reilly Factor because Bill O'Reilly always sticks up for good old-fashioned family values. But somehow I'm not that surprised he would say something like that. He is after all, a right wing conservative, and they're usually pretty xenophobic. Besides, what the hell does Bill O'Reilly probably know about Colombia beyond the usual stereotypes?


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platano says on Jun 11, 2005, 16:59:

Todos estamos untados... It is only a few that have actually somehow benefited from this trade.

Colombiche, I understand what you mean in terms of big money.

But in another sense we have all helped the narcos launder their money. At least anybody who ever went to a "San Andresitos" and bought imported goods in the 80's and 90's.

When word spread around the barrio that there was a load of Whirlpool washing machines-- or something equally exotic-- being sold cheap, I don't think there were many people who didn't know the source and raison d'etre of the washing machines being sold was narco-related.

Plátano, el banano verde
Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

plátano

kevluvsmedellin says on Jun 11, 2005, 16:59:

Wow. Its amazing how these threads just flow. Intelligent posts.......but the original post was that the headline of the featured article equated the Colombian model with drug exportation....To me that was un-neccesarily offensive to the country.
I mean this as analogy only, so I don't want to hear the word racist....Its like having Tyra Banks on the cover and saying..."Tyra Banks, She ain't pickin cotton no moe"...or choose your own stereo-type...either way it was a cheap shot........

platano says on Jun 11, 2005, 17:02:

Or would it be like having a cover with.... George W. Bush.... saying.... "he ain't snortin' coke no more?"

Plátano, el banano verde
Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

plátano

kevluvsmedellin says on Jun 11, 2005, 17:03:

And yes O'Reilly said it, word for word.
I was not surprised but dissapointed.

kevluvsmedellin says on Jun 11, 2005, 17:04:

good one platano.... Why did'nt I think of that one......

platano says on Jun 11, 2005, 17:08:

OReilly said about the same in an interview about missing kids.. To see the OReilly's opinion of Colombians check out this interview.

plátano

Colombiche says on Jun 11, 2005, 17:31:

Or It would be like having a cover with Salma Hayek saying "Salma -- the one Mexican did not swim across the rio grande like the rest of her wetback paisanos". Man, the Mexicans would tear LA appart with a comment like that!

Anyway, I' m heading out to have a couple of Ron Viejos de Caldas with Coca cola. Talk about globalization.

See you muchachos

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Jun 11, 2005, 17:33:

Before I go... Platano, what was that about the washing machines??? Money laundering?? Was that a joke?? Like machines laundering the money??? Please don't keep me in the dark about this!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Caballista says on Jun 11, 2005, 18:06:

Thank you.

toneloc24 says on Jun 11, 2005, 18:51:

ColX and others So now that you KNOW that folks like Bill O'Reilly and his cronies at Fox news think this way about Colombians, will you continue to watch his program? Because if you do, therein lies the problem. It's complete hypocrisy on your part. HE'S spreading the negative sentiments about Colombia, and you continue to watch him? He does this to all kinds of groups of people. Yet you cheer him when his BS isn't pointed at you or Colombia. How shallow. Why are you surprised at his statements?

COLOMBICHE - I truly do empathize with Colombians in the stereotypes regarding drugs. If I were to buy into the BS repeated in the US media about Colombia, I would never have visited 5x in the past year. Black men in America are stereotyped/profiled all the time. Remember we're all drug-dealing, gang-related, uneducated, baby-making machines. We truly understand your plight, and WE do not contribute to this media crap. We have no superiority complex and, at the least, we understand that this type of media is complete BS. Free speech is sometimes a bitch though.

However, no one forced Sofia Vergara to sign off on this either, did they? And I dig hot chicks. I would've never read that tagline, LOL!!!! Just checking for the other pics of her inside. Oh, and she talks? It's like picking up a Playboy mag and actually reading the articles. Who cares? Just call me a red-blooded man. This is what we do.

I wonder if the OP even saw the picture of her, or just concentrated on the tagline (something possible negative about Colombia).

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

toneloc24 says on Jun 11, 2005, 18:57:

Kev "Its amazing how these threads just flow. Intelligent posts.......but the original post was that the headline of the featured article equated the Colombian model with drug exportation....To me that was un-neccesarily offensive to the country.
I mean this as analogy only, so I don't want to hear the word racist....Its like having Tyra Banks on the cover and saying..."Tyra Banks, She ain't pickin cotton no moe"...or choose your own stereo-type...either way it was a cheap shot........"

Here's the problem with that. Tyra Banks would NOT sign off on that. She would not want to be associated with that. You think she doesn't have a say in what the tagline would be?

Therefore, I say, if Colombians DO NOT want to be portrayed this way, stop perpetrating the stereotype. How about some responsibility on her part? Anyone ever though of boycotting her movies, or sending those letters to her? SHE should know better than that, right?

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

caslug says on Jun 11, 2005, 19:00:

Getting mad over STUFF is waste of energy.. It's like Feminist bitching about sexist article in Playboy.
Maxim(sister magazine) makes fun of everybody! It's not like washington post, new york times, 60 minutes or wall street journal was saying that.

Now Bill O'Reilly is something more "serious" BECAUSE he's supposed(loosely) to be news. But even then, Bill O'Reilly is right up there with Geraldo, Howard Stern, Russ as BAISED but entertaining news commentary. Or at least that's how you should take him. Still For him to say that is wrong, why would he even bring up COL in the discussion about Aruba? I've read that Aruba is 20 miles from Venezuela, if any country should've been his target, it's venezuela(chavez and all).. Save the letter writing campaign for bigger fish..

ColombianoX says on Jun 11, 2005, 19:05:

"You think she doesn't have a say in what the tagline would be?"


Toneloc,

And what if Sofia DID NOT have a say on the use of this tagline? I mean, I don't think they're going to inform her about everything they intend to publish. Could she sue them?


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

toneloc24 says on Jun 11, 2005, 19:12:

If they're gonna put her on the cover, you're damn right she and her people have a say in what it looks like and says regarding her. Remember, she's the cover girl.

Stop throwing blame aimlessly, esp. if she (a Colombiana) is assisting in the perpetration of negative views on Colombia. I don't agree with that tagline, but again, I wouldn't have read it either. Just turning to the photo spread.

Legal action? I'd refer you to Gomezman5. I'm not a lawyer. Defamation of character or character's country. I wouldn't know.

Headed out to down some cuba libres and see if I can find a Sofia substitute. Good luck fighting the fight!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

Rubiazo says on Jun 11, 2005, 19:20:

I had NO problem understanding platano's posts.
Let me lay it out for you this way.
Drug money doesn't stay in one person's pocket. Money is only good when it's spent. And drug money is DIRTY money, it needs to be laundered by turning it into something else, quick.

Businesses in areas where there is lots of drug money benefit because people come in and SPEND STUPID MONEY THERE. They have lots of it and are in a hurry to spend it.

Back in the days when NYC was still a hotbed of drugs, taxis in Upper Manhattan and the Bronx used to be practically free. What the hell did they care how much they charged; taxi rides were not their REAL business. So everybody got dirt cheap taxi rides out of it.

How the hell do you think a nightclub stays open in any big city anyways? You can't stay in business just off of Friday and Saturday night. You need to have crowds every day or almost every day to meet your nut. You'll never get it from legitimate working people. Now that we've put all the criminals in jail in NYC there are NO NIGHTCLUBS anymore. Hell, at least half of those places existed not to make money but simply to launder it.

Everybody loves to bitch about problems, but nobody takes into account the potential consequences of the solution. Here we've cleaned everything up and its a MISERABLE UGLY FUCKING DUMP where nobody does anything but work and sleep. You may say, no more nightclubs, big fucking deal, but now there is no live music in the city. All the culture NYC was famous for is fading FAST. And culture aside, we have fuck-all to offer the rest of the world.

I personally hate cocaine, but for the love of Christ, BRING THAT SHIT BACK TO NYC! Or at least, don't let what happened here happen in Bogota!! Much as we used to have our problems here, we had MORE than enough to make up for it.
I'll take drugs and crime over this fucking fascist place any day. There are much worse things on Earth than drugs and crime.

Having said all that, it's the US's puritanical attitude that created the whole drug game in the first place. If i were an enterprising young buck in Colombia looking to make my first billion pesos, or a strapping urban youth in Brooklyn or the Bronx with no other opportunity, obvious or otherwise, you can bet your ASS i'd be out there pushing that powder shit like there was NO TOMORROW.

Fuck working your ass off all your life and having nothing to show for it! And double-fuck everybody who preaches it! People saw an opportunity to get rich, and they grabbed it. You can't just shut people out of any legal means of succeeding in life and expect them not to do illegal shit.

I agree 100% with platano. People just love to bitch and complain, and they want their cake and eat it too. Just WATCH what happens in NYC in the next 5 years now that they've almost completely shut the underground economy down. They have NO IDEA just how high the costs are going to be.

caslug says on Jun 11, 2005, 19:21:

COLX, has anyone email/write to.. Sofia and asked her why she allow the tagline on her cover? Maybe she didn't read it personally, her manager might have given the OK and she didn't know about it. Writing to STUFF would be a waste of time. BUT writing to Sofia and finding out her side of things would make an interesting back story. If you start a letter writing campaign, i'll put my sig on it..

caslug says on Jun 11, 2005, 19:28:

add to what TONE said about artistic control.. Dave Chappell(black comedian on comedy central) met with FOX executives to discuss FOX picking his show. He told the following story on 60 MINUTES last year. He was in the meeting with ALL WHITE executives and him(only black in the room). FOX said they want to pick up his show=$$$ for Dave. BUT they wanted MORE white characters on the show because THEY thought it would SELL better in AMERICA. Dave essentially told them to shoved-it, he thought it was racist(he said exact that to the reporter) and walked out. Basically he was out of work. Luckily for him COMEDY CHANNEL(own by viacom owner of 60 minutes) pick up the show and allow him COMPLETE control PLUS 50 MIL USD/year for HIM.

MORAL of the story, if you have true conviction/belief(be it artist or regular joe) you'll stand up EVEN if it mean you may suffer for your belief.

morphus says on Jun 11, 2005, 19:50:

maybe they were referring to coffee. Cocaine and Coffee are both addictive. they both keep you awake and speed up your heart rate.

hey, at least it was'nt as bad as that Miss Colombia joke David Letterman said a few years ago. he said one of her talents was being able to swallow balloons filled with drugs. it caused such an outrage in Colombia that Miss Colombia herself went on his show to yell at him. i thought it was funny.

ColombianoX says on Jun 11, 2005, 20:16:

"By the way, anyone know what happened to Scott Wilson, the former Bogota correspondent for the Washington Post?"

That's a good question, Tinto. I also enjoyed his articles very much, they were pretty positive, a rarity coming from an international correspondent.


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

kevluvsmedellin says on Jun 11, 2005, 20:55:

NO SE I do not know toneloc......you probably know more about this than I do. The business that is.
Maybe she did know the tagline would be that.I think they probably snuk it in there after she and her agent were already gone.If she did allow that to be written then shame on her.
BUT(yes there is always a but),It is still another example of an insulting and stereotypical perception of the country.
And yes and this is not a cheap shot, I will continue to watch fox news more because I find it to be at least on the side of the American Military and what we are trying to do in the middle east.
(Because I feel if we do nothing it is only a matter of time before they inflict some serious damage upon the world)
Unlike Cnn and PMSNBC who seem to thrive on doom and gloom everyday and at times(many times) portray the U.S. as the evil ones.Always emphasizing the negative aspects of this mess instead of the positive.(we did liberate millions of people from a ruthless dictator)
Example: A few perverts play with prisoners in a sick way and it is the top story everynight on CNN and MSNBC for months.....The enemy decapitates civillians and the story is up for one day at best.I think the priorities at those stations are convuluded.

treeshark2 says on Jun 11, 2005, 21:37:

Stuff and Maxim makes fun of everyone Americans make fun of everyone. it is part of the culture and part of our freedom of speach/ The late night shows have been having a field day with Michael Jackson trial. And during the elections everyone was slammed.
Sorry that some of you were upset and I will complain to the mag as my part to help you feel better, not that it will do any good. I have the mag in question and was suprised about their comment on the front. Have not even opened it since I am busy getting ready for Medellin and would rather see the chicas in person rather then some pictures.
I am looking forward to riding the metro in Medellin which I have heard is one of the best in the world. Also heard that drug money paid for it/

utopiacowboy says on Jun 11, 2005, 22:00:

So wait a second. Salma Hayek didn't swim across the Rio Grande/Rio Bravo? Damm, I would have liked to have seen her coming out of the river soaking wet. Hola, Senora!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

kevluvsmedellin says on Jun 11, 2005, 22:28:

Your gonna complain to the magazine for us because some of us did not like the condescending words on the cover?
Thanks !!!!!
And you bought the magazine but you did not look at it because you prefer to see the chicas in person????????
WOW!!!!!
And you want to ride the metro????????
Cool!!!!!
I also heard it rides so smooth you do not even need to hold on to the hand-rails when it takes off.

morphus says on Jun 12, 2005, 00:50:

well anyway, here she is. i could get addicted to that

morphus says on Jun 12, 2005, 00:56:

here she is in red, white and blue

kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2005, 03:33:

As I have said before the wearing of the American flag is a disgrace, I think this bikini should be ripped off her body right now!!! And I volunteer to do it. :-p

Kernow the American patriot.

lpdiver says on Jun 12, 2005, 03:34:

The statement is similar to making a statement about Cuba and cigars. They are both based on pure undeniable facts. The truth DOES hurt sometimes; but, it still remains the truth.

A statement comparing her to the jewels (emeralds) would have been more tasteful I admit and more appropiate I think. But you have to relate to the populus.


T

"cook some rice!"

meteoro says on Jun 12, 2005, 06:19:

ColombianoX come on man, enough with the whining about our 'image' in the US. Granted, the comment about our 'most addictive export' is kind of cliche and we are an easy target. But that's what we get for being one of the the world's top supplier of drugs. If I were you, I wouldnt pay attention to these things... just let it go.

meteoro says on Jun 12, 2005, 06:28:

In addition, comments like the one in Stuff magazine are commonplace in US publications. You, ColX, just happened to stumble into one yesterday.

The latest GQ, for example, includes a review of Andrea Echeverri's solo album and it goes something like this .... "Echeverri's has just replaced coffee as my second favorite export from Colombia".

So what? Big f'in deal! Come on man, get over it, grow up. You may find it offensive that they wrote that, but you have to get to know the magazines before passing judgement. Their writing style is extremely smartass, witty.

Stop worrying about our image and start worrying about our country's PROBLEMS. When our problems get resolved, our image will improve accordingly.

kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2005, 06:45:

Andrea Echeverri: now there is music more to my taste, I think her music is great although I have yet to hear her solo album. Nothing mainstream I hope. I believe she still lives in Bogotá too which garners bonus points in my book.

platano says on Jun 12, 2005, 08:24:

If you buy the album on iTunes for US$9.99 you also get the... Amortiguador video free!

The album is called Andrea Echeverri and is a kind of blend of folkloric, trip-hop, pop, and Latin all sung as a melodic brand of feminism.

plátano

Gomezman5 says on Jun 12, 2005, 10:25:

"Count me in" on the letter writing campaign !! Although I have not had the opportunity to read anything on this thread other than your original post, neither have I read the article itself,(as of yet)I will read the article and comment accordingly. I will say this Cx, you have as keen of an eye as anyone on this site, when it comes to identifying publications that tend to cast some of Colombia's success stories in a negative light.

Sofia.....what can be said about her? To describe her from merely a physical perspective would be to portray in a totally inadequate and superficial portrayal. A gorgeous woman she is. But her talents and communication abilities elevate her to plateaus that are rivaled by few Latinas here in the US. She is quite talented and indicated as such in a variey of roles that she has played. A quick visit to her web site should give any uniformed person, both Latino, and American alike, an idea about her accomplishments.

I will, read the article critically. After doing so, I will respond accordingly. To cast her in a negative light, especially when the casting is being done by third parites based on nothing more than rumor and inuendo, is definitely something that beckons commentary from all those that have a better idea who she is and what she represents to Colombia and the Latino community in general.

More later

kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2005, 11:46:

Hey at least they are real. A quote from Sofia; "If you're asking if my breasts are natural, yes, this is how I've looked since I was 13 years old." I think it was me who asked her that question.

I didn't reckon her role in that stupid Papi movie, she is much smarter than that.

She was great on Fuera de Serie (sp?), I really liked that show.

gorgonabob says on Jun 12, 2005, 15:48:

MR and MRS Smith a friend of mine just went to the movie here in colombia... the opening scene was Brad Pitt down in Colombia, Bogota specifically, set six years back..dodging bombs and the like flying around the city...

thats the way people think of colombia...
you get used to it... its funny

itll change, but not overnight
k

ColombianoX says on Jun 12, 2005, 16:03:

"thats the way people think of colombia...
you get used to it... its funny"


Gorgonabob,

Are you colombian? Because I don't see anything remotely "funny" about people thinking that Colombia is only how it is portrayed in Hollywood movies.

CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX says on Jun 12, 2005, 16:33:

meteoro,

"the comment about our 'most addictive export' is kind of cliche and we are an easy target."

And why should we be an easy target? I'm sure they would have never dared to make a malicious comment about jews, blacks, or mexicans, therefore I don't see why it should be any different with colombians.

"But that's what we get for being one of the the world's top supplier of drugs."

What is it that we "get"? Cheap shots from the WORLD'S TOP CONSUMER of drugs? I find that pretty hypocritical on their part.

"If I were you, I wouldnt pay attention to these things... just let it go."

WRONG!!! Apathy is never the answer. If people just ignore it, this kind of demeaning treatment of colombians would only continue indefinitely. When there's something you know is not right, you should always take action!

"The latest GQ, for example, includes a review of Andrea Echeverri's solo album and it goes something like this .... "Echeverri's has just replaced coffee as my second favorite export from Colombia".
So what? Big f'in deal!"

So is the idiot who wrote that admitting they're a DRUG ADDICT? Then they're also making a fool of themselves by saying such a thing.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX says on Jun 12, 2005, 16:41:

"Stop worrying about our image and start worrying about our country's PROBLEMS. When our problems get resolved, our image will improve accordingly."


Meteoro,

Where do you get off saying I don't worry about Colombia's problems? Anyone who knows me on this board knows that I care deeply about Colombia's problems, more than even many colombians who were actually born and raised there and who don't give a crap about Colombia. But as someone who lives outside of Colombia, the image affects me more directly than the internal problems.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Flyinrob13 says on Jun 12, 2005, 17:05:

Stuff magazine is published by Dennis publishing, a privately owned company. The owner, Felix Dennis, is one of Britain's best known entrepreneurs. Although the company has one of its headquarters in NYC, its still a British company. Its not an American magazine...USAmerican of course.

Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 12, 2005, 17:13:

What is it that we "get"? Cheap shots from the WORLD'S TOP CONSU What is it that we "get"? Cheap shots from the WORLD'S TOP CONSUMER of drugs? I find that pretty hypocritical on their part.

I'm sure Felix Dennis has done a lot of blow, but to call him the world's top consumer is silly.

Just out of curiousity, ColombianoX, have you ever lived in Colombia for more than a couple months?

kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2005, 17:40:

ColX I don't get it.

Why is the guy an idiot for saying that he likes coffee? He didn't say he was hooked on the stuff.

I love tea, whoops shouldn't of said that. I suppose if I was to start trading my opium for tea you would call me a tea addict.

jags44 says on Jun 12, 2005, 17:42:

Who is Russ Limbaugh ?

ColombianoX says on Jun 12, 2005, 17:45:

"Just out of curiousity, ColombianoX, have you ever lived in Colombia for more than a couple months?"


Yes, I have.

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX says on Jun 12, 2005, 17:47:

"Echeverri's has just replaced coffee as my second favorite export from Colombia"."


kernow,

Read the quote again, he/she said it was their SECOND favorite export from Colombia. Something tells me they weren't referring to emeralds as their number one.

Saludes,

CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 12, 2005, 17:57:

Hmmm? So #1 must be hormigas culonas then.

kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2005, 18:04:

I see ColX.

I just woke up from a nap (not opium induced) and hadn't had my tea fix yet.

Makes more sense now.

bogota says on Jun 12, 2005, 18:12:

Offended, not in the least bit! It's a saying I've heard about the Colombian women many times over, the women in other countries should be so lucky to be thought of so highly.

I'm one person addicted to my Colombiana.

meteoro says on Jun 12, 2005, 18:20:

Advice for ColX Dude, get a life!!!

Rubiazo says on Jun 12, 2005, 18:33:

why wait a few years? it may just be a little more expensive now, that's all

jags44 says on Jun 12, 2005, 19:07:

Her chest has too many frekles and sun damage a little toning around the middrift won't hurt either. I'm sure they brushed all that out on the pic though.

kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2005, 22:30:

Geez you're complaining about a few pecas!

kernow62 says on Jun 13, 2005, 13:44:

The more surface area the more freckles it only stands to reason.

william_andrew_channell says on Jun 14, 2005, 05:43:

I think the title of the post ***NOTE - What follows was written before I saw Mr. Hollywood's post with the same editing of the title. Damn, you beat me to it!***

I think the title of the post is a little misleading. We should edit it to it's true message:

Mens Magazine offends ColombianoX!!

Just relax dude. Anyway, I don't really think anybody here cares about your observations and mindless copying of any news story that has to do with Colombia. The truth is that Colombia exports A LOT of cocaine. It's like an american getting offended because somebody makes a joke about stupid shorts-wearing, american tourists or imperialism or something else that is true about the US. When Colombia stops being the number one exporter of cocaine in the world, maybe you'll have good reason to get offended. But until then...

elmodefoque says on Jun 14, 2005, 06:04:

Andrew , you forgot a few more, hot dog and hamburger eating, wal-mart shopping, budwiser drinking, more money than god having, goes to a Chinese restaurant and asks for sushi, excessive drug consuming sonanmanbiches but all around , unpretentious funny, and cool modefoques, rulers of the world. .

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

idvkn says on Jun 14, 2005, 06:33:

i agree with colombianox In this century, there is no respect for the fellow men and women. I dont think is a matter of drugs that the magazine is trying to potray. But i do believe is offensive to all women in general. You dont know how many times i hear men saying "oh yeah, if you go to colombia, with only 5 pesos, girls will take off their panties". But not only in colombia, but in many third world countries. That article is mainly promoting colombia women as objects. that is my opinion.

ColombianoX says on Jun 14, 2005, 08:49:

"Mens Magazine offends ColombianoX!!"

"the truth is that Colombia exports A LOT of cocaine."
"When Colombia stops being the number one exporter of cocaine in the world, maybe you'll have good reason to get offended. But until then..."


William_Andrew, Mr Hollywood, etc.

If it only offended me, then how come other colombians on this board have also expressed their displeasure by this tagline? And you're saying that because Colombia exports lots of cocaine, you're condoning degrading comments that further reinforce a negative stereotype of all colombians and that we colombians have to tolerate such disrespect?

It's sad to see several of the members on this board actually defend the perpetuation of Colombia's negative image. I'm glad I opened this topic, because with many of your replies we can clearly see who are the true friends of Colombia and her people.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

litost says on Jun 14, 2005, 09:10:

Any similarity to Bush's "You are either WITH us or AGAINST us" is pure coincidence...

carter says on Jun 14, 2005, 09:28:

My 100 pesos worth (is that a saying in Colombia?) Have to say that the Tagline is offensive to Colombia but what do we expect from a Magazine called Stuff with a half naked women on the front?

I think CX and others have a right to complain aslong as they notice how offensive all the other covers of Mens Mags are that monthly make a comment about other Races, sexes etc.

But I agree fully that the person to blame most here is the Colombiana. When I read the first post she was the first person I pointed the finger at. I expect stupid mens mags to make an offensive comment (thats one of there selling points), I expect US or European mags (Im not sure where its from) to know little other about Colombia other than Drugs and violence because I here it everyday when people from home message me.

What I don't expect is a Colombian to sign off on the comments

Albatross says on Jun 14, 2005, 10:17:

Sofia Vergara By this time, Sofia Vergara is no more a Colombian than she is a virgin...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

Doomedyouth says on Jun 14, 2005, 10:29:

how is this offensive? it seems slightly clever and at least people will look at colombians as more than violent coke producing maniacs

marcitos says on Jun 14, 2005, 10:45:

who cares? It's just a headliner!

marcos

toneloc24 says on Jun 17, 2005, 09:32:

CX So when Shakira says something like this, is Blender magazine at fault for printing it? Does that mean that Blender is defaming Colombia?

"I never went through an adolescence when kids become rebels and do drugs. I was always the good girl."

Here's the article in its entirety. She's wearing the cover girl in a beautifully skimpy bikini. Viva Barranquilla!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=680&e=4&u=/usatoday/20050617/en_usatoday/shakirashygirlinskimpyclothes

Shakira: Shy girl in skimpy clothes
By César G. Soriano, USA TODAY
2 hours, 22 minutes ago

Colombian pop singer Shakira has a secret that's hard to believe: "I have way too many inhibitions," she insists in Blender magazine's July issue.

That's the same Shakira known for her skimpy costumes and erotic belly-dancing routines. "I'm shy. Super-shy. The most shy person in the world," she tells Blender, which features a sexy cover-story pictorial of the 4-foot-11 singer posing in little more than a bikini.

Shakira, 28, made history Thursday when her new album, Fijación Oral Vol. 1 (Oral Fixation), landed at No. 4 on the Billboard Top 200 chart, the biggest debut ever for a Spanish-language album. Vol. 2, an English-language album, will be released in November. Both are follow-ups to 2001's Laundry Service, which made her as big a star in the USA as in Latin America.

Explaining her new CD's provocative title, Shakira tells Blender, "I never overcame that initial stage of every life, which is oral fixation," adding, I've always lived through my mouth, like a person in jail lives through a window. It's my biggest source of pleasure: what I said, what I sing, the kisses I give, the chocolate I eat - which is a lot."

Her kisses are reserved for her boyfriend of five years, Antonio de la Rua, the son of former Argentine president Fernando de la Rua.

Born Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll to a Colombian mom and Lebanese dad, Shakira is fluent in Spanish, English, Portuguese, some Italian and a little Arabic.

"I never went through an adolescence when kids become rebels and do drugs. I was always the good girl." But the self-proclaimed "drama queen" does hint at a naughty streak: "Women are all the same. We're just trouble. Trouble's my middle name, and Drama is my last name. Shakira Trouble Drama."

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

ColombianoX says on Jun 17, 2005, 09:47:

"I never went through an adolescence when kids become rebels and do drugs. I was always the good girl."

"So when Shakira says something like this, is Blender magazine at fault for printing it? Does that mean that Blender is defaming Colombia?"

Toneloc,


No Tone, nice try but I don't think Blender is defaming Colombia by that. What Shakira said about kids becoming rebels (and I'm sure she didn't mean FARC rebels) and doing drugs, can apply to kids from any country.

Now, what some jerk reporter asked Shakira in Mexico yesterday about the 'colombianization' of Mexico, (meaning that Mexico was also becoming a country infested with guerrillas, drugs and poverty), was very disrespectful, but she handled it with grace and put that creep in his place!


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Albatross says on Jun 17, 2005, 09:54:

Another One Bites The Dust... I would really like to take Shakira seriously, but; "I've always lived through my mouth... It's my biggest source of pleasure" ? and "Fijación Oral" ?, hell, why doesn't she just call the CD "BJ" or "Mi Lingua"...

I guess when all else fails, sell sex...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

BxUnika says on Jun 18, 2005, 12:51:

It's Not Just Americans But Hispanics Themselves as Well I seem to remember a few years ago the magazine Urban Latino writing about Grupo Niche calling it "Cali's most legal export". It wasn't "gringos" who did this. What about all your young Colombian and Colombian-American cronies who brag about Pablo Escobar, the cartels, cocaine, and aguardiente? I gyess that's gringos, too?

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