Mel Gibson is in Cartagena

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 13, 2007, 21:59:

There goes the neighborhood......=) Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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goin_south says on Jun 13, 2007, 22:14:

I'm practicing my spanish reading skills right now... reading Gabriel Garcia Marquez's book, Memoires de Mi Puta Tristes.....EN INGLES. ;(

Thanks anyway, SSimon.

Voy para del Sur

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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Frank Rizzo says on Jun 13, 2007, 22:44:

I'm sure they love him He's got strong christian belief.

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Robert Jorge says on Jun 13, 2007, 23:19:

Not too many people dislike him, besides big cinema execs, and anti-Christians and other super-leftists. From what I hear, he is a real nice guy.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Ekdog says on Jun 13, 2007, 23:24:

Is this the kind of person you admire? A fanatical, Jew-hating, fundamentalist Christian alcoholic. Is this the kind of person you admire?

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up/

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Ekdog says on Jun 13, 2007, 23:28:

Gibson's Anti-Semitic Tirade -- Alleged Cover Up

Posted Jul 28th 2006 9:15PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Celebrity Justice, Mel Gibson

EXCLUSIVE: MEL GIBSONTMZ has learned that Mel Gibson went on a rampage when he was arrested Friday on suspicion of drunk driving, hurling religious epithets. TMZ has also learned that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's department had the initial report doctored to keep the real story under wraps.

TMZ has four pages of the original report prepared by the arresting officer in the case, L.A. County Sheriff's Deputy James Mee. According to the report, Gibson became agitated after he was stopped on Pacific Coast Highway and told he was to be detained for drunk driving Friday morning in Malibu. The actor began swearing uncontrollably. Gibson repeatedly said, "My life is f****d." Law enforcement sources say the deputy, worried that Gibson might become violent, told the actor that he was supposed to cuff him but would not, as long as Gibson cooperated. As the two stood next to the hood of the patrol car, the deputy asked Gibson to get inside. Deputy Mee then walked over to the passenger door and opened it. The report says Gibson then said, "I'm not going to get in your car," and bolted to his car. The deputy quickly subdued Gibson, cuffed him and put him inside the patrol car.

TMZ has learned that Deputy Mee audiotaped the entire exchange between himself and Gibson, from the time of the traffic stop to the time Gibson was put in the patrol car, and that the tape fully corroborates the written report.

Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f****r. I'm going to f*** you." The report also says "Gibson almost continually [sic] threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me."

The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?"

The deputy became alarmed as Gibson's tirade escalated, and called ahead for a sergeant to meet them when they arrived at the station. When they arrived, a sergeant began videotaping Gibson, who noticed the camera and then said, "What the f*** do you think you're doing?"

A law enforcement source says Gibson then noticed another female sergeant and yelled, "What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?"

We're told Gibson took two blood alcohol tests, which were videotaped, and continued saying how "f****d" he was and how he was going to "f***" Deputy Mee.

Gibson was put in a cell with handcuffs on. He said he needed to urinate, and after a few minutes tried manipulating his hands to unzip his pants. Sources say Deputy Mee thought Gibson was going to urinate on the floor of the booking cell and asked someone to take Gibson to the bathroom.

After leaving the bathroom, Gibson then demanded to make a phone call. He was taken to a pay phone and, when he didn't get a dial tone, we're told Gibson threw the receiver against the phone. Deputy Mee then warned Gibson that if he damaged the phone he could be charged with felony vandalism. We're told Gibson was then asked, and refused, to sign the necessary paperwork and was thrown in a detox cell.

Deputy Mee then wrote an eight-page report detailing Gibson's rampage and comments. Sources say the sergeant on duty felt it was too "inflammatory." A lieutenant and captain then got involved and calls were made to Sheriff's headquarters. Sources say Mee was told Gibson's comments would incite a lot of "Jewish hatred," that the situation in Israel was "way too inflammatory." It was mentioned several times that Gibson, who wrote, directed, and produced 2004's "The Passion of the Christ," had incited "anti-Jewish sentiment" and "For a drunk driving arrest, is this really worth all that?"

We're told Deputy Mee was then ordered to write another report, leaving out the incendiary comments and conduct. Sources say Deputy Mee was told the sanitized report would eventually end up in the media and that he could write a supplemental report that contained the redacted information -- a report that would be locked in the watch commander's safe.

Initially, a Sheriff's official told TMZ the arrest occurred "without incident." On Friday night, Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore told TMZ: "The L.A. County Sheriff's Department investigation into the arrest of Mr. Gibson on suspicion of driving under the influence will be complete and will contain every factual piece of evidence. Nothing will be sanitized. There was absolutely no favoritism shown to this suspect or any other. When this file is presented to the Los Angeles County District Attorney, it will contain everything. Nothing will be left out."

On Saturday, Gibson released the following statement:

"After drinking alcohol on Thursday night, I did a number of things that were very wrong and for which I am ashamed. I drove a car when I should not have, and was stopped by the LA County Sheriffs. The arresting officer was just doing his job and I feel fortunate that I was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person. I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said. Also, I take this opportunity to apologize to the deputies involved for my belligerent behavior. They have always been there for me in my community and indeed probably saved me from myself. I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry. I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse. I apologize for any behavior unbecoming of me in my inebriated state and have already taken necessary steps to ensure my return to health."

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pedro says on Jun 13, 2007, 23:40:

I'm in Cartagena too.

Just thought you'd all like to know.

que nota!

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 14, 2007, 00:04:

A Real Reliable source....."by TMZ Staff"..like using the National Enquirer and their two-headed alien baby stories....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)....Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Ekdog says on Jun 14, 2007, 00:36:

He doesn't deny the story, Miguel. Is that enough proof for you?

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Frank Rizzo says on Jun 14, 2007, 00:41:

Okay, true or not Didn't he make a public apology or something?

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scotty says on Jun 14, 2007, 00:43:

ekdog Gibson may be a sloppy drunk, but he makes some excellent movies, unlike your favorite person in Hollywood that pig Rosie Odonnel and her big nasty mouth, she does nothing crative but attack other people.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 14, 2007, 00:50:

Proof? you have got to be kidding.....A Tabloid-style report as proof?...jajajaj.....you obviously believe all TMZ and National Enquirer posts as well......The objects of their affection probably dont even read that trash.....cite a respectable source, then it would add weight to your argument....and he isnt the first human to get drunk and talk trash, either......


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)....Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Ekdog says on Jun 14, 2007, 01:34:

I don't know much about Rosie O'Donnell. I think I've read she has some kind of a media feud going with Donald Trump. I didn't know she made films, so she is hardly my favorite person in Hollywood.

Besides being a "sloppy drunk," Gibson is, like his father, a Holocaust denier. As far as his "excellent movies" are concerned, do you consider "The Passion of Christ" to be one of them? Okay, if S&M and Franco-era Catholicism are what you're into... I'll pass.





Schlock, Yes; Awe, No; Fascism, Probably The flogging Mel Gibson demands.
By Christopher Hitchens


The gay movement in the United States—and the demand for civil unions and even for actual marriage—has had at least one good effect with which nobody can quarrel. The closeted homosexual is a sad figure from the past, and so is the homosexual who tries desperately to "marry" a heterosexual, thus increasing misery and psychic repression all round.

This may seem like an oblique way in which to approach Mel Gibson's ghastly movie The Passion. But it came back to me this week that an associate of his had once told me, in lacerating detail, that an evening with Mel was one long fiesta of boring but graphic jokes about anal sex. I've since had that confirmed by other sources. And, long before he emerged as the spear-carrier for the sort of Catholicism once preached by Gen. Franco and the persecutors of Dreyfus, Mel Gibson attained a brief notoriety for his loud and crude attacks on gays. Now he's become the proud producer of a movie that relies for its effect almost entirely on sadomasochistic male narcissism. The culture of blackshirt and brownshirt pseudomasculinity, as has often been pointed out, depended on some keen shared interests. Among them were massively repressed homoerotic fantasies, a camp interest in military uniforms, an obsession with flogging and a hatred of silky and effeminate Jews. Well, I mean to say, have you seen Mel's movie?

I think that it's a healthy sign for our society that so many Jews have decided to be calm and unoffended by the film, and that so many Christians say they don't feel any worse about Jews after having seen it. We have a social consensus where Jews feel more secure and Christians less insecure. Good. But this does not alter the fact that The Passion is anti-Semitic in intention and its director anti-Semitic by nature. Some people including myself think that Abe Foxman and the Anti-Defamation League are too easily prone to charge the sin of anti-Semitism. But if someone denies the Holocaust one day and makes a film accusing Jews of Christ-killing the next day, I have to say that if he's not anti-Jewish then he's certainly getting there.
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It's important to scan the Reader's Digest interview with Mel Gibson. He was questioned by Peggy Noonan, who was almost as simperingly lenient in print as Diane Sawyer was on the small screen. Noonan asked him a question that he must have known was coming, and which he must have prepared for, and she asked him in effect to "make nice" and agree that the Holocaust actually had occurred. His answer was, to all effects and purposes, a cold and flat "no." A lot of people, he agreed, had died in the last war. No doubt many Jews were among the casualties. It's one of the most frigid and shrugging things I have ever read. You would not know from this response that the war was begun by a fascist ruling party that believed in a Jewish world conspiracy, and thus that all of those killed were in part victims of anti-Semitism. (Some of the more tribal ADL advocates might also bear this in mind.)

But then, you were not brought up by Mel Gibson's father, who has repeatedly and recently stated that there was a population explosion among European Jews in the years 1933-1945 and that the Holocaust story is mainly "fiction." Young Gibson, when asked about this by Diane Sawyer, told her not to press him (which she obediently did not). But when asked by Noonan, he replied by saying that "My father has never told me a lie." It's not fair to expect Mel to trash his father. But he could have said that the old man was a fine daddy, albeit with a few odd ideas of his own. It was his very decided choice, however, to say that his male parent was an unvarying truth-teller. Why pick on that formulation? It's unlikely that Gibson Sr. has made a secret of his viciously anti-Jewish views when talking to his son, who shares with him a fanatical attachment to the Latin Mass and a deep hostility to the "liberalism" of the present pope.

So let us not be euphemistic about what is staring us in the face. Last Wednesday, the Lovingway United Pentecostal Church in Denver posted a sign on its roadside marquee. It read "Jews Killed the Lord Jesus." This pigsty of a church has, I think you will agree, an unimprovable name. But its elders, or whatever they call themselves, can't have had time to see the movie, which only opened that same Ash Wednesday. Nor, I think it safe to say, had they chosen the slogan only on the spur of the moment. No: They had been thinking this for quite a long time and were emboldened to "come out" and say so under the cover of a piece of devotional cinematic pornography. Some of us saw this coming. In America, I hope and believe, the sinister effect will be blunted by generations of civilized co-existence. But think for a moment what will happen when Gibson reaps the residual and overseas profits from screenings of the film in Egypt and Syria, or in Eastern Europe, where things are a bit more raw. Who can believe that he did not anticipate, and intend, this result?

Apparently seeking to curry favor, Gibson announced a few weeks ago that he had cut the scene where a Jewish mob yells for the blood of Jesus to descend on the heads of its children (a scene that occurs in only one of the four contradictory Gospels). Gibson lied. The scene is still there, spoken in Aramaic. Only the English subtitle has been removed. Propagandists in other countries will be able to subtitle it any way they like. This is all of a piece with the general moral squalor of his project. Gibson's producer lied when he said that a pope Gibson despises had endorsed the film. He would not show the movie to anyone who might object in advance. He will not debate any of his critics, and he relies on star-stricken pulp interviewers to feed him soft questions. Now, as the dollars begin to flow from this front-loaded fruit-machine of cynical publicity, he is sobbing about the risks and sacrifices he has made for the Lord. A coward, a bully, a bigmouth, and a queer-basher. Yes, we have been here before. The word is fascism, in case you are wondering, and we don't have to sit through that movie again.

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Ekdog says on Jun 14, 2007, 01:48:

He and his father have "talked trash" before, without benefit of alcohol.


Mel Gibson: "My dad taught me my faith, and I believe what he taught me. The man never lied to me in his life."
New York Post, January 30, 2004

Mel Gibson's father rants against Jews
By Tracy Connor
New York Daily News
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 02.20.2004


A week before Mel Gibson's movie about Jesus Christ hits theaters, his father has gone on an explosive rant against Jews - claiming they fabricated the Holocaust and are conspiring to take over the world.
"They're after one world religion and one world government," Hutton Gibson, 85, said in a radio interview.
"That's why they've attacked the Catholic Church so strongly, to ultimately take control over it by their doctrine."
In the interview, Gibson also said Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan should be lynched and called for the government to be overthrown.
The movie star's father has made outrageous statements about the Holocaust and Jewish conspiracies before.
But the timing of his latest comments is certain to fuel the uproar over his son's movie, "The Passion of the Christ," which opens Ash Wednesday.
Some critics say the movie blames Jews for the death of Christ and will provoke anti-Semitism, and they question why Mel Gibson hasn't denounced his father's views.
Hutton Gibson spoke Monday to Steve Feuerstein of "Speak Your Piece!"
Some of his most outrageous rants focused on the Jews exterminated by Adolf Hitler.
"They claimed that there were 6.2 million in Poland before the war, and they claimed after the war there were 200,000 - therefore he must have killed 6 million of them," he said. "They simply got up and left! They were all over the Bronx and Brooklyn and Sydney, Australia, and Los Angeles."
He said that the Germans did not have enough gas to cremate 6 million people and that the concentration camps were just "work camps."
"It's all - maybe not all fiction - but most of it is," he said.
Gibson repeatedly smeared prominent Jews as money-grubbing power-mongers.
"Greenspan tells us what to do. Someone should take him out and hang him."
Mel Gibson's spokesman, Alan Nierob, had no comment on the elder Gibson's tirade.
But Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League said they were the words of a "classical anti-Semite."
"If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny," he said, adding that he's troubled by Mel Gibson's failure to condemn these beliefs.

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scotty says on Jun 14, 2007, 02:29:

ekdog cant you make your point without writing a book? gee leave a little space for some other people to post.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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kalder says on Jun 14, 2007, 02:45:

Christopher Hitchens is a bloody disgrace. Some us remember all too well his comment that he "didn't care if the Red Army watered its horses at Hendon". Well, as someone who's actually lived in Hendon, I care, you mincing champagne socialist.

That liberal-left mouthpiece is half the man Gibson is.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Robert Jorge says on Jun 14, 2007, 07:04:

Ekdog, I am sure you never have of course, but I have said some pretty stupid things when plastered. Things that, thank God, hardly anybody heard, and that I was deeply embarrassed for saying ... and frankly didn't remember some of. Mel publicly apologized. He also admitted his problem.

My Grandfather was a "Christian alcoholic." Yep, even Christians can get a disease or have a problem that gets out of control. That did not make him a bad man. Off topic a little, but he was recovering / dry from 1970 or so until he died in 1988.

"A fanatical, Jew-hating, fundamentalist Christian alcoholic. Is this the kind of person you admire?" No it is not. I do admire and respect people for admitting mistakes and asking for forgiveness.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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kalder says on Jun 14, 2007, 07:28:

I agree with Robert If you compare Gibson's heartfelt apology to his drunken rants, it's as if two different people made them. He's a Jekyll and Hyde drunk: For some, booze just reveals what they're really thinking; for others, it alters their character. I suspect Gibson's in the second group.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Lisa Zee says on Jun 14, 2007, 07:50:

M. G. in Cartagena=Colombia is SAFE! That is the way I see it, if big stars, presidents, ex presidents, famous people, come to Colombia. COLOMBIA IS A SAFE PLACE TO VISIT, THAT IS GOOD NEWS.

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Frank Rizzo says on Jun 14, 2007, 07:53:

Robert and kalder, i completely agree and by the way wasn't this a colombia forum?

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Simon says on Jun 14, 2007, 09:05:

"M. G. in Cartagena=Colombia is SAFE!

That is the way I see it, if big stars, presidents, ex presidents, famous people, come to Colombia. COLOMBIA IS A SAFE PLACE TO VISIT, THAT IS GOOD NEWS."


Good point Lisa!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 14, 2007, 09:15:

Why do I get the hunch that Mel's favorite thing in Cartagena was the Inquisition Museum?

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Miguel says on Jun 14, 2007, 09:25:

Thanks for the post, Simon And no thanks to those of you who choose to pontificate about your personal opinions on Mel Gibson.

Famous people visiting Cartagena is no big deal. Donald Trump sending his daughter to cut a deal on real estate investments on the north coast of Colombia, including Cartagena, is a bigger deal.

Bob Geldof playing a concert in Cartagena is cool.

I like Cartagena a lot, for about two days. It is the most expensive city to visit in Colombia, is full of European and gringo tourists, and there you go. I will always visit Cartagena while I am based in Barranquilla.

¿Ustédes bailan la champeta?

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Simon says on Jun 14, 2007, 09:44:

Thanks Miguel. Regardless of Gibson's personal views, the guy is a huge movie star and a great director as well as one of the most powerful people in Hollywood. If he's scouting for locations for a future film, that's definitely good news for Cartagena.

BTW, Bill Gates was also in Cartagena in March, so was the star of Gibson's 'Passion of the Christ', Jim Caveizel. Bill Clinton and the King and Queen of Spain were there in April.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 14, 2007, 10:32:

Ekdog,,you use "Teen Magazine" as a source too??? or how about "FFA" magazine?? probably more your style, i would imagine....and obviously you are a very shallow person, if the best way you have available to you to express your thoughts and opinions is through cut and paste jobs of other people......


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)....Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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lochdhu says on Jun 14, 2007, 21:25:

Maybe Mel's scouting out the city for a new project, Passion of the Puta, or BraveGringo, wish i was at home so i could whip up some mock movie posters. but i am stuck in the hospital on my piddly laptop.


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scotty says on Jun 15, 2007, 05:27:

ekdog you sure do like to type dont you? whew! talk about over kill.
didnt you hear Pedro is in Cartegena to, write a long post about him, he's one of our PBH guys and deserves a little notice for being there.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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kentuckygreg says on Jun 15, 2007, 05:58:

When he got the DUI last year and had the tirade my friends (girls from Louisville) were with him drinking in Malibu at a restaurant. Said he was cool as hell and they were shocked the next day to see the headlines. They ended up getting paid like 15K a person for the pictures they had of him at the restaurant. Also, they had several interviews with Extra, ET, and the Today show about the incident.

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medefockinllin says on Jun 15, 2007, 07:57:

Mel Gibson is one of my heroes He tackles controversial topics and speaks the truth on many issues. What a refreshing alternative to Spielberg, Zucker, Rob Reiner etc...many of their films could be regarded as anti-Christian.

People in Colombia love him for the Passion of the Christ.

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Titan says on Jun 15, 2007, 08:24:

Mel Gibson is good people. He has his flaws like everybody else. So what? He also makes great movies and is one heck of an actor.

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dwmte7 says on Jun 15, 2007, 09:28:

yo gang... let's lighten up on each other. personal opinions are like butt holes, everyone's bound to have one. and personal they are. si o no?

i had a store in west hollywood/beverly hills for nearly 20 years and mel g. was one of my clients as were countless other personalities everyone is familiar with. he IS a nice guy and leave it at that. he never tried to pontificate with me.

these people have little chance to have a private life. it's non existant. i'd have actors/singers and the like show up at 5:30 at closing time with a bottle or some toot and ask me if i'd like to party...there in the store. why, because they knew that i was discreet and didn't publicize their coming and wanting to party and too, their patronage made my life possible. also, they can't go anywhere with out the news/paparazzi following. in my case, i had a closed property (corner of melrose,melrose place and orlando. all fenced off and with the only drive in entry around. that meant it was private and we could hang until whenever and all was cool.

dw

dwmte

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