Medelin is now infested with gringos :(

Waterdawg says on Feb 18, 2008, 11:24:

New York is infested with Colombians , they have ruined the GREATEST CITY in the World , lol .. Lord get a grip ! Where is Elmo when you need him ?

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jelsaad says on Feb 18, 2008, 11:26:

People IMMIGRATE to NY from around the world to make a life in the city.
These gringos in Medellin are here for sex, alone. They are not in any sense contributing to the culture of teh city, nor making it any more dynamic. They´re here to bed hot girls and leave. Apples and oranges, my friend.

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Albatross says on Feb 18, 2008, 11:26:

I thought all Colombians wanted a more peaceful, world-welcoming country ?... be careful what you wish for.
Of course, criticism like this coming from you (a foreigner coming to the U.S. wanting something), is hilarious.
Now you know how Americans feel as foreigners continue to "infest" our country.

P.S. ... I liked Medellin better before as well.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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coffee beaner says on Feb 18, 2008, 11:33:

Get the f at ck out... I leave for 3 months and pasty white gringos are ruining paradise, can't blame them with the great products we produce in Medallo, the finest prepagos in the world!

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azunoman says on Feb 18, 2008, 11:37:

Then don't go to the tourist traps goofy!

Our infestation there starts Feb 22, 2008 at 9:30 PM. We however bring lots to the table for the country and people of Colombia.

Ready, Fire, Aim

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Simon says on Feb 18, 2008, 11:44:

I really didn't see any gringos in Cali.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Albatross says on Feb 18, 2008, 11:47:

I didn't see you either.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 18, 2008, 11:55:

coffee beaner says, "can't blame them with the great products we produce in Medallo, the finest prepagos in the world!"

This says it all.

The gringos did not create this service industry, which seems to thrive on every corner in Colombia.

Also agree... be careful what you wish for.

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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Sam Salmon says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:00:

Canadians are the worst-I should know (!)

' a la orden!'

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caligula says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:01:

How does one respond.. Being a gringo myself.. and from nyc.. And the fact that I love Medellin.. I can see,understand, and relate to both sides of the argument. I try to avoid any part of poblado like the plague.. If i wanted miami.. I would go there.. Being that I hate miami...I don´t go.

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scotty says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:02:

its the same ol whiny crybabies "gringos come to our country bring your money we love you" then its "damn gringos go home, get out, blah blash blah".
make up your mind cry babies.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Simon says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:06:

Scotty, personally I want to see more gringos and foreigners in general visiting Colombia.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Simon says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:07:

"would go there.. Being that I hate miami...I don´t go."

Hey! Miami is awesome dude, the best city in the USA!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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esatranslator says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:07:

I feel sad because of the things that make world's eyes to be on our city. It has been since always, the things that are more atractive to and known by the foreigners are the worst. We are a lot more than silicon valley, sadly, some people just can see that, we don't have the fault of the short sight of the others. And about what we wished, I never wanted my city to be one of the biggest brothels in south america!!!! excuse me but no!

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azunoman says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:08:

Uh I married into a bevy of Colombians. Any of who could easily be mistaken for a gringo. I am not convinced these were in fact gringo's.

Ready, Fire, Aim

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Albatross says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:10:

" biggest brothels in south america!!!! " ................ are you on drugs or what ?

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Waterdawg says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:21:

So The States should Hire 2.5 million immigration officers , Hire a mil. or so Semi's and just start rounded up all the Hispanic's in the USA. and ship them back to their Country of origin ??? Good , bad , indifferent , Right ???? I just don't get it ???

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caligula says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:21:

Hey simon, Just my humble opinion.. I´m part Haitien, So one could assume I have ALOTTA family in Miami.. The sixth bourogh´s just not my cupa tee.. Ironicaly, I´m gonna be there 2morrow..lol.. P.S. Don´t like Haitens much either...LOL

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tomtom33 says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:22:

Who are the vast majority of the patrons at the brothels in Medellín? Hint: it isn't the Gringos.

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caligula says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:23:

lol TOM.. ain´t THAT the trooth!!!

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DodgerDogs says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:23:

Aún no se cuenta con estudios o estadísticas de esta práctica en Medellín. El flagelo de las prepagos aumenta cada día en Medellín, la Secretaría de Bienestar Social busca ayudar a las menores a través de la línea 4444144 donde se escuchan denuncias y se da apoyo psicológico totalmente confidencial y gratuito. Foto: Raúl Egúsquiza
Autor: Maria Asceneth Zuluaga Salazar
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La Secretaría de Bienestar Social de Medellín, viene implementando varias campañas enfocadas a prevenir la prostitución en menores de edad y a brindar apoyo integral a niños en situaciones vulnerables.

Como una actividad silenciosa, que se maneja a través de celulares, lo que hace muy difícil su detección, califica la Secretaria de Bienestar Social de Medellín Beatriz White Correa, el fenómeno de las prepago en la ciudad, "es un asunto supremamente silencioso, no son niñas o niños que estén propiamente en las calles ofreciendo su cuerpo, sino que son contactados a través de redes de telefonía celular, entonces es muy difícil identificarlos, saber dónde están, quiénes son, encontrar los sitios donde se reúnen, pues es una actividad casi individual, escondida, silenciosa" afirma.

Para la funcionaria esta situación es la que ha hecho casi imposible trabajar en la erradicación de este flagelo que hoy compromete todos los estratos sociales y todas las edades de una comunidad que como Medellín ofrece prepagos desde los 10 años, hasta mujeres universitarias, quienes encuentran en esta deplorable actividad la solución a sus necesidades económicas que no siempre son las básicas, sino las suntuosas.

Se habla entonces de una moralidad permisiva donde gran parte de la comunidad sabe que el flagelo existe, pero se hace de la vista gorda, sin importarle lo que le pueda suceder a los demás; hasta que como suele pasar, muchas veces, cuando toque a su puerta, será demasiado tarde.

Programas como "Por una vida más digna" que trabaja con las niñas, niños y jóvenes que son abusados o explotados sexualmente; "La Casa del Afecto", un proyecto mucho más focalizado en niñas, niños y jóvenes, y "Buen Vivir", donde cerca de 100 profesionales, distribuidos en toda la ciudad prestan un servicio a la familia para atender violencia intrafamiliar y sexual, son algunas de las campañas que realiza actualmente la Secretaría de Bienestar Social del Municipio.

"Por una vida más digna" está dirigido a personas adultas en ejercicio de la prostitución y jóvenes entre los 12 y 18 años, el programa trabaja bajo dos puntos de vista; el primero, en lo que tiene que ver con la campaña en contra del abuso y la explotación sexual, donde a través de cuatro piezas que se han desarrollado en vallas y afiches, se ha logrado llegar al 100% de los colegios de la ciudad y lo acompañan con talleres de carácter preventivo en algunas de las instituciones educativas donde se identifica mayor vulnerabilidad frente a este tipo de problemáticas.

El otro punto de vista, es lo que tiene que ver con la oferta de servicios, para lo cual se brinda atención psicológica, terapéutica, relacionada con la educación y con la formación para el trabajo, buscando con ello ofrecer opciones a la cuales puedan optar para tener un desarrollo más armónico y saludable de su vida.

"Algunas de las personas que se encuentran en ejercicio de la prostitución expresan sus debilidades o dificultades alrededor de poder ejercer otro tipo de trabajos porque no los saben realizar, es por ello que la oferta educativa es amplia y se ofrece desde formación para el trabajo en artes y oficios, hasta la opción de que puedan terminar su bachillerato, su primaria sino la tienen, o acceder a proyectos de alfabetización; es decir, aspectos que les mejoren la posibilidad de tener otro tipo de oportunidades" asegura White Correa.

En "La Casa del Afecto", se atienden niñas y niños víctimas de estos delitos, Se trabaja en compañía de la OIT (Organización Internacional del Trabajo) y del ICBF (Instituto Colombiano de Bienestar Familiar), allí se les brinda educación, salud, nutrición, compañía, afecto, atención de carácter terapéutico y se trata de hacer reintegro familiar cuando es posible; y cuando no, se institucionaliza el niño bajo el sistema de protección. Estas medidas se acompañan además de unos procesos de carácter preventivo que se desarrollan en las calles de la ciudad haciendo recorridos nocturnos por bares, hoteles, sitios centrales y específicamente con la población de más alto riesgo.

En el "Buen Vivir", más de 97 profesionales, entre psicólogos, trabajadores sociales y abogados, distribuidos en toda la ciudad, prestan su servicio a la familia y tiene como objetivo atender el tema de la violencia intrafamiliar, haciendo énfasis en la violencia sexual que es el que genera gran parte de la demanda de dicho program.

( Medellin prepago problem has long been a problem, the gringos are not the cause or the cure Aussie Greg's Mansion and Mongo's and zona rosa disco's and
love motels only make the problem come to light, but it has been a problem for years before Uribe made gringos think he made Colombia a safe playground.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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Leeroy says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:25:

Gringos do not have the monopoly on going out for a night with the sole purpose of getting laid.

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Simon says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:29:

IMO, paying for sex is like getting an A on a test you cheated on, sure the outcome may be good, but you're left with the feeling that you didn't earn what you got (or so I've heard).

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Leeroy says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:33:

True, Simon - although I suspect that many might argue that that doesn't particularly bother them! Some people might like the thrill of the chase, and the feeling of having "earnt" the sex - while others might simply enjoy the act in itself.

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JustoXT says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:34:

I went to Med. and loved it. Spent my time in the museums, plazas, el Penol and chatting with locals and other travellers volunteering at orphanages. I went to mango's once for the experience, hung out for an hour with my gf, then we left.

I spent 0 time and 0 pesos on any hookers.

I spent decent time and decent pesos on local food, juice and besos negros.

I am a gringo, and was called and welcomed as such.

Take that for whatever you will...

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tomtom33 says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:34:

Simon, one way or another you always pay. And it's cheaper by the hour.

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Simon says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:36:

JustoXT,

I'm glad to hear about your positive experience, you're always welcome back to Medellin!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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JustoXT says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:40:

Thanks Simon!!

My girlfriend and I arrived in Peru today after 2 months in Colombia (5 weeks with her family in Bogota and 3 weeks travelling) and we miss Colombia already!!

Can't wait to go back and see more!

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tomtom33 says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:43:

Glad to hear of someone enjoying the finer things in life, the beso negro.

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Simon says on Feb 18, 2008, 12:50:

"Glad to hear of someone enjoying the finer things in life, the beso negro."

ROFLMAO!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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huskie says on Feb 18, 2008, 13:07:

Those besos are chocolate covered marshmellows, and they are delicious....
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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Catfish35 says on Feb 18, 2008, 13:25:

Come on and give the Colombianas and paisas more credit! Do you really feel that the woman are that naive to be led around like donkeys by the not so almighty$. You make the people of Colombia sound like idiots. Like they can't handle any touch with the outside world. Prostitution was around long before you all and will be. Don't insult your own country and the people by making burro de culo remarks like that!
Colombian people have a hard enough time now trying to over come the reputation of Drug smugglers, thieves, cheats, liars, backstabbers etc...don't label them mindless and idiotic also!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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azunoman says on Feb 18, 2008, 13:33:

Right on catfish!

Ready, Fire, Aim

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jack_jason says on Feb 18, 2008, 13:40:

Madellin is full of rednecks!

This is just spanglish, please do not correct me

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rocinante says on Feb 18, 2008, 13:43:

Aint read the whole thread - but Tomtom I can't get behind this statement in a stand alone context:

"Who are the vast majority of the patrons at the brothels in Medellín? Hint: it isn't the Gringos."

Yes in a country with 43 million Colombians and 200K Gringo tourists/inhabitants it's easy to make your statement. Something to consider is the percentage of locals in the whorehouse vs the percentage of foreign whore mongers. I'd say 95% of the drooling gringos are here for the impovershed females looking to feed their kids and think that they are all that (not that there's anything wrong with that - both sides know what's up).

If 1 in 100 total prostitution customers are gringos and the rest are locals, both the views belonging to you and the OP can co exist.

Show me one gringo who has visited here and hasn't hit the whorehouse and I'll show you a homo, a backpacker with game, someone young who has not been to Costa Rica, or a mail order guy stopping in to check out the future internet wife's ass before popping the question.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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rocinante says on Feb 18, 2008, 13:46:

"Madellin is full of rednecks!" Jack Jackson

I don't know why but the US gringos here are are all from below the Mason Dixon Line.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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gatogris says on Feb 18, 2008, 14:03:

"Show me one gringo who has visited here and hasn't hit the whorehouse and I'll show you a homo, a backpacker with game, someone young who has not been to Costa Rica, or a mail order guy stopping in to check out the future internet wife's ass before popping the question."

This is one of those many statements on this site that reveals much more about the poster than his purported subjects.

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MaFe says on Feb 18, 2008, 14:06:

Simon I saw gringos in cali, especially chipichape area.

Jelsaad"People IMMIGRATE to NY from around the world to make a life in the city.
These gringos in Medellin are here for sex, alone. They are not in any sense contributing to the culture of teh city, nor making it any more dynamic. They´re here to bed hot girls and leave. Apples and oranges, my friend"

There are many Colombianas in Queens who sale their bodies, actually work for sex...

Also, if gringos score in Colombia, it's not their fault...if something is available to you wont you take it? How is that the gringos fault?

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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rocinante says on Feb 18, 2008, 14:21:

Gatorgis feel free to be more vague next time.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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dwmte7 says on Feb 18, 2008, 15:33:

lived in medallo for 19 years and never did a 'paid lady'. ever. seek and you shall find. i do, however remember when poblado had dirt streets. and lleras was no more than a long grassy, unkempt lot surrounded by no more than houses. the only bar around was la casa de los cinco puertos and a few places around the park in front of the church. the real saving grace, is that the influx of tourists will ALWAYS center itself around such traps as lleras and it's ilk. one need never worry that the reality of colombia will ever be changed by butt holes from what ever country. they always gravitate downwards to levels that accomodate them and their lower desires. as for mother colombia.....fear not, she's fine and there for those who seek her out and cherish her above lower, selfish, oft times depraved motivations.

it's not far off, leave that dirt bag of a hell hole, get outta town, drive up to llano grande and see, feel, breathe, taste what colombia is and can be if one seeks her out. dw

dwmte

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azunoman says on Feb 18, 2008, 15:54:

dw - thank you...

Ready, Fire, Aim

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bickerss says on Feb 18, 2008, 17:52:

crikey!! I was in mangos on sat night with my GF - not tying to pick up prepagos!. Only other gringos I saw were the 2 lots of backpackers. Go to any other club besides Mangos and Blue and you are unlikely to see any other gringos!!

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MitchAlvarez says on Feb 18, 2008, 18:02:

catfish and dw great comments.

i can understand the few tourists who make stupid comments about us paisas (women or men) when they know very little about who we are. But when I see other colombians trying to put medellin and our people down i find that quite interesting.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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JustoXT says on Feb 18, 2008, 18:36:

well for more,

I am from the North in the states, I never went to a whore house, am not gay, have been to Costa Rica (no hookers for me there either) and the only thing i ever mail ordered was a soccer jersey that came in a size so small, it could only fit my dog.

I had no interest in seeking out seedy elements, which can be done anywhere in the world, be it a city, town or something even smaller.
My girlfriend and I did spend our time there learning about the culture and going to local stores, bars and restaraunts (as well as museums and such)


As for the people from Medillin, they were very friendly, outgoing and welcoming by a vast majority.

We spent a good deal of time in Bogota, went to alot of cities and towns throughout Colombia and the people from Medellin did not seem any less civilized than other places.


I don´t know medillin extremely well, but I from what I do know, I don´t see why the people are being painted as a majority of whores and drug dealers in this thread.

hmph

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YTO SAN says on Feb 18, 2008, 19:45:

There is prepagos everywhere you go, Personally I think jelsaad is out of line with the comments. So you want to get rid of turists in Medellin?. does not matter the purpose of the turists they help in many ways the economy of a city or country, if you don't want mongers in your city, make prepagos illegal and have them chased by the police, so you'll have more population in your jails and 1 less income in some homes.

Think!!!!! not every turist that goes to Medallo is looking for sex, there is a big majority of us that love that beautiful country and we keep going back to learn more of the wonderful Colombian people; like they're always happy and willing to help, something that you don't see very often in other countries.

Make sense?

=======YTO SAN

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Frank Rizzo says on Feb 18, 2008, 19:57:

Not (get rid of) all the tourists, just the pot smoking backpackers....

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Medellin Traveler says on Feb 18, 2008, 19:58:

There are NOT prepagados all over Medellin! It's just that so many gringos put themselves in that enviroment. I choose to hang out in the barrios and off the beaten path where you interact more with the regular locals.

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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Monpirri says on Feb 18, 2008, 20:01:

It's not the gringos or any foreigners’ fault that they decide to go to Colombia or Medellin or any other city looking for sex, the only ones who are responsible for the large migration of sex haunters are Colombians who join some foreigners to promote girls over anything else on the Internet.
If I would go to an Italian website and see a great number of threads about hot Italians I want to go to Italy to know them! It’s plain and simple.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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nine inch nails says on Feb 18, 2008, 21:36:

Unjust bashing. We don't all come here just to monger. Maybe it happen but not all specific looking for it and esp. not looking for it all the time. God doesn't like it.

Someone else posted they like Miami and so do I. If I could get the quality lodging I have here in MDE for the same price in Miami I would go to Miami but it is double or triple the cost of MDE esp. this time of year!!!!!!! I love Miami but visit MDE and other locales in the high South Florida season. I love Europe too but dollar es basura alla.

People bash Lleras yes but it is still a secure location. Extranjeros and Colombianos alike enjoy it there for its' security and variety of dining and drinking establishments. I myself tryed to get an apartment away from it to experience another dimension but logistics and safety dictated closer which is ok this trip since purpose of my trip is to get to know more of MDE outside Poblado and hopefully relaible honest contacts and prices for future accomodation outside it.

Yes many of us would like to see more traditional barrios and the life but not when alone and when we first get here. Now how about some of those bashing Lleras goers befriending those of us interested in getting to know more off the beaten path but only if they can promise our safety and well being??

Enuff said.

Bocephus

get down, get down. are you afraid of the boogie monster?

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nine inch nails says on Feb 18, 2008, 21:37:

Thank you very much.

get down, get down. are you afraid of the boogie monster?

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scarby558 says on Feb 18, 2008, 21:38:

get a grip dude... people move... shit happens... you dont like it... there are a lot of other places in the world where these "gringo" men have yet to travel to - try Sri Lanka. Are you upset because maybe the ladies like the gringos (for whatever reason they may).. and tend to flock to them more then Colombian men?
Monpirri, you are exactly right, men are so easy... if they see a hot chick on a website and it says she is from any country... you know they will check it out in more detail... and it they have the money they will go there. Dude... stop crying and get over it... I could complain all day about how there isn't a decent "gringo" in the usa, for the fact that most of the people there are from another country, but I don't. The world is turning into a melting pot and it is something we all have to deal with. Don't pretend you are the only one annoyed by this fact, because you definitely are not...

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morphus says on Feb 19, 2008, 04:56:

jalsaad: "Hello all: I am a U.S.-born woman of Colombian and Lebanese ancestry who lived in Medellin as a child and adolescent. However, I haven't beein in 6 years, and intend on visiting for 3 days at the end of the month with my gringo boyfriend"

GRINGO BOYFRIEND...HA HA!

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Albatross says on Feb 19, 2008, 04:57:

"IMO, paying for sex is like getting an A on a test you cheated on, sure the outcome may be good, but you're left with the feeling that you didn't earn what you got..." - Simon

Actually, I think it's more like skipping the test altogether and just having fun instead.

People love to use logic like that to disparage prostitution, but would anyone suggest that paying for dinner is sad ? Would anyone suggest that going to a fine restaraunt and dropping $ 150 for dinner is somehow less fulfilling than staying at home and making it yourself... just so that you can feel that you "earned" it ?

My last night in Rio a few years ago was awesome, I went to a Sauna and met one of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen. She had just gotten to work, but I talked to the manager ($$$) and told him that I wanted to take her out of the place. I took her out to dinner and she showed me some cool places in Rio and she stayed with me until morning. The whole evening cost me over $ 500, but I don't regret a penny of it.

My only regrets are that I didn't get a picture of her and that I never saw her again.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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rocinante says on Feb 19, 2008, 06:20:

For the record prostitution is ILLEGAL in Colombia, not that I have a problem with it. If I had a nickel for every time I've seen posted here on PBH that it is legal I'd be rich. Just one of many fallacies the gullible fall for.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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morphus says on Feb 19, 2008, 06:32:

Roci, jaywalking is illegal here in New York but eveybody still does it.

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rocinante says on Feb 19, 2008, 06:49:

You're under arrest son. You heard from Elmo?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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morphus says on Feb 19, 2008, 07:10:

We spoke the other day. He's getting ready for his retirement. I think he's retired from PBH happy too :)

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rocinante says on Feb 19, 2008, 07:13:

I mailed him after the departure post - not heard back. He must be busy.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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PALEOLITICO says on Feb 19, 2008, 08:25:

JustoXT : "I went to Med. Fui a Med. and loved it. Y encantó. Spent my time in the museums, plazas, el Penol and chatting with locals and other travellers volunteering at orphanages. Gastado mi tiempo en los museos, plazas, el Penol y charlando con otros viajeros locales y voluntarios en orfanatos".

Este es un claro ejemplo de que no todos los extranjeros vienen a Medellin buscando sexo. Bienvenidos todos los que como JustoXT saben elegir lo mejor. Para el resto a quienes como gallinazos solo les interesa la podredumbre y la carroña de la vida y de las personas, les digo que quienes pierden son ellos. Pierden como seres humanos y como hombres. Se pierden de descubrir tesoros maravillosos por andar urgando entre la basura...

"Amar a las personas y usar las cosas; y no amar a las cosas y usar a las personas"

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Colombiche says on Feb 19, 2008, 08:45:

"Se pierden de descubrir tesoros maravillosos por andar urgando entre la basura..."

Bien dicho, es la verdad. Las verdaderas joyas generalmente no son las que se estan regalando.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 19, 2008, 08:50:

En serio, *Biche? Yo siempre pensé que al contrario, las mejores cosas de la vida son gratuitas.
I feel so bad about Medellin's dilemma with gringos. I just want everybody know that Cali is even worse and besides, very, very dangerous!

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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MitchAlvarez says on Feb 19, 2008, 08:51:

no pero por ahi dicen que cali es cali y lo demas es loma.

jajaja

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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PALEOLITICO says on Feb 19, 2008, 08:53:

Aunque aclaro que cuando digo "basura" no me refiero a estas chicas porque no creo que ningun ser humano se merezca este calificativo. De ellas pienso que son personas equivocadas que necesitan aprender algo (como todos en la vida). Basura es la situación, es la elección, es la manera de pensar y desear... es la degradación del hombre, de la mujer y del sexo.

"Amar a las personas y usar las cosas; y no amar a las cosas y usar a las personas"

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Colombiche says on Feb 19, 2008, 08:56:

O sea Desi, no quiero decir que las cosas buenas de la vida son pagas (o prepagas $$$ jajaja). Lo que quiero decir es que las cosas que de verdad valen la pena no son las que se estan regalando (vease. boleteando, entregando).

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Feb 19, 2008, 08:57:

O sea que lo que estas diciendo es que si se quiere obtener algo valioso hay que luchar por el (o ella jajajajaja)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Albatross says on Feb 19, 2008, 09:04:

Paleolitico... for such a good-looking Latina, you're awefully uptight... sure that's really you ?
Maybe you should save your criticism for all your sistas in the business... go ahead, tell us what losers they are.
Or maybe you're just pissed 'cause your novio likes them as much as the Gringos do.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Colombiche says on Feb 19, 2008, 09:08:

Bueno, en parte si, pero mas que todo quiero decir que las cosas que valen la pena no se regalan por un precio tan bajo.

No soy puritana, al contrario, soy sumamente abierta en mis puntos de vista y no juzgo a nadie.

Solo pienso que los humanos nos apegamos mucho a las cosas efimeras.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Albatross says on Feb 19, 2008, 09:28:

"... pero mas que todo quiero decir que las cosas que valen la pena no se regalan por un precio tan bajo."

Perhaps, but the money means nothing to me... anymore than paying for a movie diminishes the fun I have watching it.

I learned a long time ago that sex is not love and love is not sex. I only think it's sad if a guy loses the capacity to look at women as other than sex-objects or when a girl loses the capacity to see men as other than money-objects. But, hey this is the real world, shit happens... or as Morrison put it "no-one here gets out alive"

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Colombiche says on Feb 19, 2008, 09:35:

If people want to exchange sex for money, it's a perfect deal for both parties involved as long as they are both aware of the arrangement... but if anybody is investing their heart... pobrecitos.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Albatross says on Feb 19, 2008, 09:46:

Too true... I learned that one the hard way... I fully expect my dying breath to speak the name of the one I can't forget... a supremely beautiful girl from Debrecen, Hungary... Kristina.
For a little while, I thought we were falling in love, then she vanished like a ghost.

It won't happen again.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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jctripp says on Feb 19, 2008, 09:57:

When I lived in Medellín (2003-2005) I went to Mangos a couple of times and caught the vibe of the place which is meat market and nothing more. It's an overdone, tackily designed, expensive and sleazy pickup joint. I got sick on aguardiente both times I was there since I was so bored I had no choice but to get drunk. The music mix switches songs every 30 seconds and it feels like some tropical-themed bar at Disney World. Why anyone would go there to experience the true Medellín is beyond me. It'd be like going to New York City and hanging out on 42nd Street and thinking you're experiencing the real thing. But, if it keeps all of the sleazoid sex tourists in one place, great. That leaves the rest of the city for those that want to taste the real thing, and there's plenty of it. Try Parque Periodista and its surrounding bars if you are the backpacker/hippie type. There are plenty of areas you can go and experience the true Medellín, just be cool and not a fool and everything shoud be fine.

RiColombia.com | Colombia Culture & Tourism Blog

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gatogris says on Feb 19, 2008, 13:33:

As the immortal Charlie Sheen said of the disreputable, daring, laughing, painted Heidi Fleiss, a woman of loose morals, when explaining why he underwrote her services:

"I don't pay her to come. I pay her to leave."

A succint and pellucid sumation of why men enjoy the services of ladies of the evening.

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manINred says on Feb 19, 2008, 16:34:

I barely ever see any gringos in Medellin, unless I'm in Poblado, even then the sighting is not very frequent. Hell, I'm always the only gringo walking around, but my dark complexion makes me merge into the Colombian crowd anyway...

'infested' might be a slight exageration

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tomtom33 says on Feb 19, 2008, 17:16:

I have been living in Medellín for over a year now. I rarely go to Poblado and only went to Mangos once. There is a Gringo living in my apartment building, but I rarely see him. I do see 3 other Gringos in my Spanish class if 2 Englishmen and an Aussie count as Gringos. I really don't see any others.

Where is this infestation?

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Lisa Zee says on Feb 19, 2008, 17:32:

There were 10 now there are 20.

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manINred says on Feb 19, 2008, 17:51:

hahaha!

tomtom33, there isn't an infestation!!

In fact, the most gringos I ever saw at once in Medellin were in the Oviedo Casino (the bigger one, the smaller one where I X 60ed my money there were none). In the big casino, I sat at a gringo blackjack table. They were the first gringos I had seen in awhile.

I was sitting there playing, cussing in spanish (paisa) everytime i got a bad hand, and they were being loud and sorta obnoxious and ignored me because they thought I couldn't understand them, trying to speak token spanish to me every once in awhile. They were just stopping over in medellin only because they were going to San Andres, from what I remember.

They all thought I was a local, until they asked my ID after about 30 minutes. They all looked at me astonished as I told the security guard my name, and they said "hell, you're american? Why the hell didn't you tell us???". The truth is, it was a novelty to be treated like a local, those gringos didn't know otherwise :)

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manINred says on Feb 19, 2008, 17:55:

I miss the casinos in Colombia. They were actually affordable.

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Robert Jorge says on Feb 19, 2008, 22:31:

Rocinante wrote: "Show me one gringo who has visited here and hasn't hit the whorehouse and I'll show you a homo, a backpacker with game, someone young who has not been to Costa Rica, or a mail order guy stopping in to check out the future internet wife's ass before popping the question."

I was 35 when I first visited Colombia. I wasn't backpacking. I never visited a whorehouse. I am not gay. I didn't meet my now wife over the Internet either.

I now know all about Whiskerias. When I originally visited Colombia - I never even heard of that term - nor did I have any knowledge of the existance of whorehouses in Colombia. I have never been in a Whiskeria in Colombia (or anywhere). At least so far in my life, I have never had the desire nor the need to go.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Albatross says on Feb 20, 2008, 06:21:

"There were 10 now there are 20." - LOL

"I now know all about Whiskerias"... that's like saying that you know all about bars when you've never had a drink.

People assume whorehouses are all about sex, and there is of course, truth to that, but they are also similar to bars, casinos, churches, museums, ect. in the sense that some people just enjoy passing time there.

Not so much in South America, but in Eastern Europe (Prague, Budapest, Moscow), there were particular clubs that I used to really enjoy hanging out in... drinking beer, listening to music, people-watching and talking to the girls (as well as the obvious). Rio as well, can be fun in some of their Spas (Thermas). Unfortunately, nothing like this exists in the States, except maybe Vegas. There are, of course, whorehouses in Colombia, but except for one or two in Cartegena, none that I have seen are much more than dives... but even a dive can be fun occasionally.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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morphus says on Feb 20, 2008, 06:36:

More Colombian men go to the casas more than you think. Ladies, if you think your guy is'nt doing it, you better think again. I remember Elmo saying he went to one and ran into his aunt's husband :)

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tomtom33 says on Feb 20, 2008, 06:41:

Don't confuse the issue, Morph. Everyone knows that the Gringo sex tourist is responsible for the degradation of Colombia. I have certainly done my bit.

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Monpirri says on Feb 20, 2008, 06:55:

"Don't confuse the issue, Morph. Everyone knows that the Gringo sex tourist is responsible for the degradation of Colombia. I have certainly done my bit."
I wouln't say it's a gringo fault.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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huskie says on Feb 20, 2008, 07:00:

Maybe we can learn a little from this


Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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gringoloid says on Feb 20, 2008, 08:01:

only a redneck, whether in the usa, colombia, or any other country attempts to prevent change or tries to hold on to some mythical nostalgic past. it's usually based on an insecurity, like "somebody is getting ahead of me."

anyone having a problem with consensual sex in others and making a big deal out it are suffering from sexual guilt feelings.

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PALEOLITICO says on Feb 20, 2008, 08:05:

Albatros: "Paleolitico... for such a good-looking Latina, you're awefully uptight... "

Realmente no entendí nada de lo que me dijo. Podría escibirlo en Español o con un Inglés mas claro por favor?.

"Amar a las personas y usar las cosas; y no amar a las cosas y usar a las personas"

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Man Tequila says on Feb 20, 2008, 08:13:

Last week I spent in Medellin, I think I saw a total of about ten gringos. And almost all of these were Australians in Mango`s.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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gringoloid says on Feb 20, 2008, 08:19:

I've met Paleolitico and she is not uptight....

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billyb says on Feb 20, 2008, 08:26:

""IMO, paying for sex is like getting an A on a test you cheated on, sure the outcome may be good, but you're left with the feeling that you didn't earn what you got..." - Simon

"Actually, I think it's more like skipping the test altogether and just having fun instead."

jaja, kind of like skipping classes and going straight for the diploma?

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arthur brode says on Feb 20, 2008, 09:06:

or skipping dinner and going straight to the desert lol

http://www.calirentals.net/

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morphus says on Feb 20, 2008, 09:31:

"jaja, kind of like skipping classes and going straight for the diploma"

General Equivalency Diploma? If you get a high score on the GED, you can get into decent college :)

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arthur brode says on Feb 20, 2008, 15:41:

i barely passed the GED and look where iam at now lol

http://www.calirentals.net/

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Chelesupercono says on Feb 20, 2008, 16:41:

What's wrong with a good business proposition? Paying a perfect stranger for sex.....everyone happy right? Wait to you marry one.........paying, paying and paying........and friend, you are not the happy one!!!!!

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

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Robert Jorge says on Feb 21, 2008, 00:47:

I have no problem with prostitution, I think it should be legal in the US, and I would never judge or look down on a guy for going to a prostitute. Nor would I think less of a chick for being a prostitute.

Now, would I ever knowingly date a prostitute, be happy if my daughter was one, think it was cool that my dad went to one? - Hell no. So I guess I have my inconsistencies. jajaja

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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huskie says on Feb 21, 2008, 04:11:

From reading lots of theads here on PBH I have discovered that there are lots of busineses offering sex trips to Colombia, and I do not know for a fact, but it seems they are run by Colombians. What a shame, disgusting!!!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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rocinante says on Feb 21, 2008, 04:37:

"Operating a brothel can be illegal in certain localities, and pimping is highly illegal in all of Colombia but prostitution itself is LEGAL" - rubito

Rubi, I was wrong, you are correct. There are "Tolerence Zones" in Colombia where prostitution is legal. Just like the US.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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tejasmarcos says on Feb 21, 2008, 04:57:

although the act is understandable on both sides, the moral fabric and maturity level of some of the participants is questionable. the majority of mongers stopped maturing emotionally and psychologically at about the age of 15 and it shows all over the place. alot of the chicas develop a survivor mentality and will take advantage financially whenever they get the chance. either way, as an average, each side gets what it deserves, hence the stigma.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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rocinante says on Feb 21, 2008, 05:22:

Hooker sex with condoms is sterile and empty. I'd rather take matters into my own hands.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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tejasmarcos says on Feb 21, 2008, 05:23:

costs less anyways.....

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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morphus says on Feb 21, 2008, 05:42:

Massage with "happy ending" is'nt bad.

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rocinante says on Feb 21, 2008, 05:46:

I asked for a happy ending once and the masseuse put on the last 5 minutes of "The Wizard of Oz"

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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Albatross says on Feb 21, 2008, 07:19:

As long as you didn't call out, "Auntie Em!... Auntie Em!"

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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morphus says on Feb 21, 2008, 07:26:

Roci, just look in the Medellin yellow pages under "masaje. One day I looked out of curiousity and found thousands of them listed.

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rocinante says on Feb 21, 2008, 08:19:

"and pimping is highly illegal in all of Colombia " - Rubito

Like you're not a papi chulo pimp daddy yourself.

Look at this photo. This guy's gotta be a pimp. It even says pimp on the bottom!

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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Albatross says on Feb 21, 2008, 09:25:

What most people seem to forget is that prostitutes are women first and are not all the same.
Some are "hardened whores", others are as nice as any girl you'll ever meet... most just consider it a job. As I mentioned, I fell hard for one, but there were a couple of others that I enjoyed dating and even when I'd see them at work, we would have fun just hanging out... as long as she wasn't too "busy".

I don't know if it's good or bad, but one of the interesting things about dating a prostitute is that you never have to wonder if she's sleeping with other guys... you KNOW she is. If you can deal with that, it makes you a little less possesive / jealous generally... which does seem to be a good thing.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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morphus says on Feb 21, 2008, 09:37:

You might get jealous when you hear that some of the other guys are getting special services like "bareback".

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manINred says on Feb 22, 2008, 09:28:

"Let's face it, if you have a long distance relationship you KNOW the girl is going to be messing around"

Nar, not always. It's erroneous to assume all long-distance relationships involve as one friend put it to me, well, damn, I forget the term he used, but it was amusing, but not all involve 'cheating'. \

"Una relacion de lejos es de pendejos" wasn't the expression, but I agree with that statement not because of the partner cheating (which I have never experienced), but generally because you deprive yourself of any romantic or physical human contact, necessary, natural, etc..., so unless it's open during the long-distance part of it, then it's all a bit daft. That was my experience. I tried to make it open, no dice, so it was over.

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morphus says on Feb 22, 2008, 10:10:

HA HA...not only infested. Most of the gringos going to Colombia now can only speak ten words of Spanish and they are dating prepago Colombianas that can only speak five words of English. Three of which are f_ _ k, s_ _k and money :)

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billyb says on Feb 22, 2008, 10:44:

they know, "foky, soky, five bucky, love you long time joe".

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robi666 says on Feb 22, 2008, 14:38:

Morph, you forget the two most used words of all... Western Union

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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tejasmarcos says on Feb 22, 2008, 14:50:

or senos siliconas....

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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billyb says on Feb 22, 2008, 15:38:

ATM?

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morphus says on Feb 22, 2008, 15:41:

The gringo is the ATM :)

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rocinante says on Feb 22, 2008, 15:45:

"Roci wheres my mafuckin money BEOTCH? 8)"

Check out Rubito Gran Pimp Daddy shakin' me down on a public forum. I'm not one of your stank ho's broham.

When's your next visit to NYC? I think I'm going in April....

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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billyb says on Feb 22, 2008, 16:32:

So when they want sex (or should I say cash?), they say "ven aqui mi ATMcito lindo" ? jeje.

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CatGirl says on Feb 22, 2008, 21:02:

jajajajaja...."ooops"..uhhh. I don't think I'm supposed to be in on this conversation...Ciao boys

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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