Mayweather vs. Hatton in Medellin

Simon says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:33:

Are either of those guys Colombian?

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

RUV says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:50:

Missed it by a week.

So what is on the menu? What do you serve? Is the food typical Colombian food?

Thanks,

spigrimace says on Dec 7, 2007, 18:58:

Typical Sports Bar fare. Wings, Nachos, Chicken Fingers, Quesadillas, Hamburgers, Fajitas, Sandwiches, Pastas, and then some typicos like Bandeja Paisa, Asados, etc.

RUV says on Dec 7, 2007, 19:09:

Sounds good. Do you deliver.

kalder says on Dec 8, 2007, 03:25:

I would love to be there. $5 mil is about 15 times cheaper than what it costs to watch it on ppv in the UK.

And burgers, beers, Colombia...

I hope you lot over there have a fantastic evening.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

miamimike says on Dec 8, 2007, 06:27:

Kalder here in Miami its $50 for PPV. Maybe I'll go to the Mickosukee Indian casino if they plan on showing it. During Fightime, they sell 8 oz beers and Big Hotdogs for $1 each! Quite a deal for Miami!! It should be a Good fight! Not Good enough for $50 though!! LOL

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 09:35:

TONIGHT

and, thank you.

bill230 says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:02:

Cra 53 80

manINred says on Dec 8, 2007, 17:59:

Simon... the Briton Hatton defeated a Colombian (Urango) from Monteria earlier this year, so I suppose there's a connection.

Kalder, in Canada it's just as bad. Are you gonna watch it? 4 am GMT!!!

Watch it for free www.live-footy.org and follow the instructions of the site. I already have it up on my browser, and it is working fine, decent quality. hopefully i finish my essay before the fight starts.

goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:01:

hey thanx manINred...
what time tonight?

and, thank you.

manINred says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:14:

no probs!

well, depends on where you are in the world. In Montreal time (same as New York) it is on at 11 pm. British time, 4 AM!!! That should give you a good frame of reference. I'm sorta looking forward to this fight.

la campiña says on Dec 8, 2007, 19:17:

HBO plus free in cali , I'm going to buy some show bizz sherbert to keep me awake and whatch the fight live not realy a boxing fan pero the yank is a nasty mu fk arrogant nazi, c'mon the the kid from the streets who still upholds family values, ah caramba

manINred says on Dec 8, 2007, 19:24:

well said!!!

This is him vs. Urango, listen to how the British commentators describe him, paints Colombia in the third world light, that's for sure, but then again, we're not all from Monteria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnGcw4TSGEE

Come on Hatton!

Simon says on Dec 8, 2007, 20:54:

"Simon... the Briton Hatton defeated a Colombian (Urango) from Monteria earlier this year, so I suppose there's a connection. "


In that case, I'm rooting for the other guy!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

miamimike says on Dec 8, 2007, 21:32:

MnalNred, tried to download the Set-up but the first attempt "This account Suspended" and the next selection would never download. Thanks Anyway.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

manINred says on Dec 8, 2007, 21:51:

That's a shame miamimike. At first it wouldn't work for me. perhaps because of the fight the servers were running overboard. oh well, it was a good fight.

Simon, what if I told you that 'the other guy' said that Colombia sucks?

Simon says on Dec 8, 2007, 22:07:

"Simon, what if I told you that 'the other guy' said that Colombia sucks?"

Then I'd root for his momma!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

goin_south says on Dec 9, 2007, 00:07:

that's what I was thinking earlier tonight:
What a Fkg Distraction:
Going to Colombia to Fight.
And, what do you know about family values?
La_Camphatton?

and, thank you.

Buongone says on Dec 9, 2007, 01:41:

Looks like Hatton Got his butt beat. Good fight tho. Floyd just too slick. 2 good knockout punch's.

kalder says on Dec 9, 2007, 06:54:

No, I didn't get to watch it. I was comatose at 4am.

I heard it was badly refereed.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

manINred says on Dec 9, 2007, 09:23:

well, the refereeing wasn't the best. I don't watch much boxing, so it's hard for me to judge. the beeb had something to say about it though. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7134946.stm

bill230 says on Dec 9, 2007, 11:43:

else

miamimike says on Dec 9, 2007, 19:08:

Most of these Modern Day Boxers( I won't call them fighters--LOL) wouldn't last when Fights lasted 15 Rounds.Like Tyson,most would run run out of Gas by the 6th round. Any fighter like Buster Douglas or Holyfield who took Tyson past the 6 round cleaned his clock. I guess I am spoiled having become a Boxing Fan watching the Gillete Cavalcade Of Sports via the Friday Night Fights Live from MadisonSquare Garden. When you have watched famed fighters(to mention a Few, they were fighters) like Rocky Marciano, Jake Lamotta, Foreman, Smokin' Joe Frazier, Marvin Hagler,Norton,Hearns, Roberto Duran, Ali(he was a boxer&fighter) its hard for me to get real enthused with these Contemporary Boxers. All they want to do is put on some type of Light Show wearing some Girlyman outfit! LOL The Female boxers like Christy Martin and Ali's daughter put on a pretty good fight. Any of these Heavyweights from the 50s-60s-70s would have cleaned Mike Tyson's Clock handily. We saw what Foreman did to Michael Moore in 1994, a boxer 1/2 his age. Clipped Moore so hard they had to bring in the oxygen tank in to get him back into this World! I beleive he didn't even move for like 2-3 minutes after Foreman decked him! Evander Holyfield is a rare exception to the Group, IMHO. Some of these Boxers had 100 Fights under their Belt by the time they retired to boot. DuraN HAS LIKE 110 at last count. I saw him in '96 get the the "Fighter of the Century" award here in Miami Beach; quite a night! I had a Patient in Hialeah, an old Cuban Boxer by the name of " Kid Chocolate" Quite the Fighter in his day, he died alone in some decrepit Adult Living Facility alone. Very Sad,,,

Moore Kissing Foreman's Right 10th round 1994: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing-videos/video/JLpeg3f4i9Q/george-fore...

At the End of the video, a Nice Slow Motion Shot of that Right Hand that caught Moore dead square on the jaw! They don't get any more accurate then this!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

goin_south says on Dec 9, 2007, 23:46:

Jus in case you missed the fight:

and, thank you.

elmodefoque says on Dec 10, 2007, 05:40:

my favorite boxers of all time
salvador sanchez
roberto duran
alexis arguello
larry holmes
chavez
ali

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Dec 10, 2007, 05:42:

european boxer are good fighting among other european boxers, once they enter this part of the world, forgetabouitt. this here is entering the major leagues

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

manINred says on Dec 10, 2007, 08:22:

Hatton should have stayed in the weight-class from where he started. He is not a joke, nor a pub-fighter.

"european boxer are good fighting among other european boxers, once they enter this part of the world, forgetabouitt. this here is entering the major leagues"

You forget of course Lennox Lewis. Also Hatton, if you look at his impressive record, has faired fine since he came to the states, and he lost to the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world.

I'm sure that boxing back in the day was better, but unfortunately this is all we've got nowadays.

manINred says on Dec 10, 2007, 08:26:

43-1 is not a bum, it was an illegal move and he got penalized. That's like calling Diego Maradonna a bum for the hand of God. Doesn't matter, eventually the Argentinians lost.

manINred says on Dec 10, 2007, 08:32:

Notice how every time he did it, the ref came in and arbitrated. He did it because he couldn't do anything else against Mayweather, who outperformed him. As I said, he should stick to the weight-class below. A bum wouldn't have gone 43-0 before that fight. I suppose that makes every boxer he's beaten, (among them Castillo and Urango and Tszyu) bums too.

manINred says on Dec 10, 2007, 08:43:

Fair enough. But if sportsmanship determines bums, some of the worlds best athletes will unfortunately have to be classified as bums. Quite frankly, what's wrong with boxing was summarized after the fight: Mayweather was taunting Hatton all week, and by the end vice versa, and there were lots of words exchanged, the fight was built up in the press, and in the end all of the 'hate' between the fighters was nothing more than media-frenzy to hype and sell the fight... more hype than substance in the end. But it's true, that is what people want.

manINred says on Dec 10, 2007, 08:54:

Well, Hatton isn't the best boxer in England. Joe Calzaghe is. He won BBC sports personality of the year. It is yet to be seen if he can beat the likes of Mayweather (I don't even know if he's in the same weightclass) but you never know, however unlikely. But since Mayweather wants to take a break because it's in his best interest and doesn't want to fight some of the tougher, heavier guys, we won't be seeing much of the current world's best boxer anymore, another thing that is wrong with the boxing world, fighters have the freedom to decide what's best for them, so we don't necessarily get to see some of the greatest match-ups.. And you're right, I don't think Bogota has ever produced a prominant fighter. The best boxers from Colombia these days come from Monteria, but as Hatton proved, they aren't on Mayweather's level.

miamimike says on Dec 10, 2007, 09:04:

That Heavyweight from Cuba, Teofilio Stevenson, in the late 70s was quite a Boxer also. After he won the Olympics you never heard much from him because he wouldn't leave Cuba and turn Pro. He is a Ardent follower of Communism(castro's style and his choice) and in Cuba, it doesn't allow a Cuban Sports figure to capitalize on his ability. On a return trip from vacationing at Muhammed Ali's House, One of the Custom's Inspectors made a Political Comment about Castro while he was passing thru MIA. Next thing Stevenson Popped him and knocked him out, continuing to board the plane. I understand he isn't allowed to return to MIA. LOL Wrong guy to pick a fight with! LOL

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

kalder says on Dec 10, 2007, 09:27:

ManINred-I agree with you about Calzaghe being the best British fighter.

Unlikely to fight Mayweather though. There's about a three class and a stone and a half weight difference between them.

Anyway, 'the Russians are coming' (and the Ukrainians etc). They're taking over and will continue to do so. Unless Rocky comes back to put a stop to them.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

gatogris says on Dec 10, 2007, 10:10:

It is doubtful whether the sweet science can arrest its decline at this late a date. Starting back in 1990, when Don King (a shrewd and honorable businessman who could think on his feet - he kicked a man to death in Cleveland) pressured the WBC to proclaim Tyson still the champ after his disgraceful collapse against Buster Douglas in Toyko, continuing through the moment Riddick Bowe threw his WBC belt in the trash can, below-the-belt hits, 'fan man' landing in the ring...and then more Tyson. The rape, the bite, trying to break Botha's arm, hitting Norris after the bell, etc. The boxing commission finally exiled Tyson from Vegas, and that means they thought he was worse than scum, because Vegas is a maladorous petri dish, and everybody knows it.

And don't forget the IBF taking bribes in 2000 for ranking fighters - last I heard, the Colombian official was still on the lam.

For my money, De la Hoya-Trinidad was the last really good match, and maybe the last really good one we're likely to see for a good while. I'm with GIB, the only pleasure in boxing anymore is seeing a loud mouth, grandstanding, showboater like Mayweather get his comeuppance in the form of a serious clock cleaning by someone younger and hungrier.

kalder says on Dec 10, 2007, 12:19:

I didn't see the fight. But I read this thread with interest and resolved to YouTube it this evening. Upon which, I was going to write a comment damning GIB for calling Ricky a bum and calling him on an exaggerated pro-American bias...

Then I watched the fight and find myself agreeing with GIB. Ricky was, sorry to say, just like a drunk pub brawler. His style resembled nothing so much as the street corner punchups that show up on CCTV every weekend in Britain.That punch thrown to the back of the head- followed by that sickeningly juvenile showing Mayweather his arse! A disgrace. A mockery.

Depressing. I think gatogris' 'obit' on the whole sport sums the whole thing up.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

miamimike says on Dec 10, 2007, 12:51:

"But yep glad he is hard core, wonder how he is living now?"

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GIB--Stevenson is Govt retired and receives a State Pension. He has a modest home, albeit small, he says he is satisfied. I really don't see where all this money US Fighters earn have contributed to their being Upstanding Citizens. Look at Mike Tyson as one example, not to mention all the Pro Football, basketball players getting Arrested and doing hard time. Look at our High Payed baseball players-how many used Steroids? Maybe Barry Bonds could tell you,,,Money isn't the COMPLETE answer,,, A few years ago, Pro Baseball went to Cuba for a winter Game. The Low Payed and Poorly equipped Cubans either beat 'em or tied the score. Believe the Team that went was Baltimore,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

bill230 says on Dec 10, 2007, 13:16:

right

goin_south says on Dec 10, 2007, 16:51:

hey, is Mayweather ....'Heavyweight'?
I use to keep up with this stuff years ago...
I have lil idea. They both looked a bit small on that video.

and, thank you.

goin_south says on Dec 10, 2007, 16:52:

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and, thank you.

goin_south says on Dec 10, 2007, 16:52:

..

and, thank you.

manINred says on Dec 10, 2007, 21:40:

"Just how many times did he let opportunty slip away from just having a bullshit fight system."

Many times!! That was what was frustrating about watching Hatton (and the fight) Hatton did not fight anywhere close to his best. By that I mean he did not show what he had shown in previous matches. At the end he apologized to his fans, not because he lost, but because of his undisciplined performance. Unfortunately, his underperformance decreased the quality of the fight.

Also, as Bill230 pointed out, it wasn't just Hatton doing all the dirty-work.

Mayweather is technically a very skilled fighter, but his mouth is so big and he talks so much shit, it just really is a bit annoying to see him do well, feeds his overbloated ego so to speak. It was nice to see him being more humble at the end of the fight though, credit to him.

Jebediah says on Dec 10, 2007, 21:58:

Kostya was a champion, Hatton got him when he was passed his best.

I remember a nice hook that Tsyzu landed on Zab Judah's jaw, and he couldnt even walk properly. That guy is supposed to be a great fighter. Pity he runs his mouth 2 much.

Who won the Contender? It was an AUssie (well an african that we adopted!)

ManINred - Calzaghe is from Wales, not england - you hatton bum!

manINred says on Dec 10, 2007, 22:04:

true jebby-boy but Calzaghe was born in Hammersmith, London, England, so you can see wherein the confusion lies.

kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 00:41:

"Calzaghe was born in Hammersmith, London, England"

As was celebrity all-action star and drunk driver Keifer Sutherland (I think).

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 00:44:

GIB- And you are spot on about the hugging. The PA system should've being playing 'Whole Lotta Love'.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 00:45:

Bill- I'm keeping an open mind about the refereeing. I'm going to have to watch it again. It's not as bad, however, as some people over here have been claiming. I spoke to people yesterday who swore the only resaon Ricky lost was because of the ref's bias.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

manINred says on Dec 11, 2007, 04:59:

" I spoke to people yesterday who swore the only resaon Ricky lost was because of the ref's bias."

No Kalder, I'm biased but I would have to disagree with fellow Brits who make such claims, it wasn't that bad, and I certainly doubt that it was the sole reason that Hatton lost. It was a mix of underperformance, being outskilled/played, and to a lesser extent you could throw bias in there, but take the bias out, he still would've lost.

"Don't you guys think it has gotten to a point where it is just a show."

I think you may have something there gringoinbogota. Honestly, just look at the press conferences where I'll bet they were told to taunt each other. At one point Mayweather got up in the face of Hatton, and all Hatton could do was smile like an idiot. After the match, it was if as nothing had happened between them, because nothing had happened, it was all staged to make people more interested in the event. After all, both boxers will be smiling after the fight, millions of dollars richer...In the end, was it worth paying $60 on payperview? Doubtful. It was worth seeing for free though on the internet though ;)

manINred says on Dec 11, 2007, 05:03:

I never knew that Keifer was born in London. Turns out he was! That's something that the Canadian press would never let on... here he's heralded as one of Canada's best actors, no mention of where he was born!

bill230 says on Dec 11, 2007, 05:47:

for sure

kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 06:25:

ManINred- and he spent most of his formative childhood years in California.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 06:36:

dO guys really think a european boxer has a chance frighting against boxers from this side of the pond? NO WAY IN HELL!!!!!!!!
Even asians with their kun fu and karate and all the chit, don't have a chance. You get one of them black kids from south central, harlem or philly against a chinese guy and the black kid is gonna hit him so fokin hard the asian kid will be vomoting chicken chow mein. The same chit happens if eroupeans or asians fight a mexican kid from guaphattasnchenzinawanka mexico, fried rice or fish and chips all over the fokin ring.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 06:49:

let me give you guys across the big waters a little suggestion. Stick to soccer, cricket and fox hunting.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 06:58:

now i be a little confused? is cricket when they hit that hard ball with a wide bat and guys go running holding on to it but then change their mind and return with the bat?
or is cricket that game with the colorful billiard like balls you hit between little hoops stuck to the ground and you wear all white and funny hats?

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kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 07:45:

Elmo

Click on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_world_boxing_champions

And look at the flags in the heavier divisions.

British, German, Croat, Rumanian, Hungarian and (if you count them as European) Russian and Ukrainian...

I'd like to see your Harlem blacks or Mexicans start a fight in a Russian mining town.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 07:47:

Well, I wouldn't really. I'd much rather see them all sit down and have a friendly chat about poetry.

But I'm sure you take my point.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 07:59:

Sir Kalder, times have changed; blacks make more money rapping hip hop, playing football, baseball and basketball than boxing. Mexicans rather sneak in the USA and work construction than getting knocked around.
Russian have no choice but to fight if not they end up in fokin Siberia chopping big pieces of ice into little ones and using brown paper bags for papel de jopo. .
When blacks and Mexicans were heavy into boxing, every single European “champion‿ that came around was sent back with a busted jaw and broken nose.

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kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:05:

As you say, times change.

Jews, Irish, Italians, Blacks and now Russians.

In fifty years, who knows? It might be genetically enhanced women who are the world champions. Or cyborg midgets.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:05:

MEXICAN INJUN POWER!!!

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morphus says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:10:

"George Foreman was a great fighter who loved boxing. Maybe not the greatest?"

I don't like George Foreman but in his prime he would have defeated any boxer in history. He took Ali too easy. Ali got lucky. Foreman got tired. Maybe it was the altitude in Africa. If there was a rematch, Foreman would have killed Ali. Even Mike Tyson was afraid to fight the old George Foreman.

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:16:

my all time favorite heavy weight is leon spinks

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elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:20:

leon spinks

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Miguel says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:20:

In his day, Marvin Hagler was one bad ass MF.

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:22:

marvelous marvin hagler

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elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:45:

So there I was Germany 1936, Max Schmeling vs. Joe Louis
I was a young wide eyed cub reporter for PBS. It was the biggest event in sports history, the Nazi superior race versus the black race.
Sitting directly above me was Hitler and the Arian brotherhood.
Joe kicked the living crap outta Schmeling
Thank you

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morphus says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:53:

Boxing is 80% conditioning. The Russians already have that. A good trainer can take care of the rest.

I remember they were making a big deal about Lennox Lewis being the first British Heavyweight world champ in almost a 100 years. What about him being born in Jamaica and having an American trainer?

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 08:56:

what the russians have is 100% FEAR.
YOU FIGHT TO THE END OR IS SIBERIA FOR YOU!
NO CHUCHA, NO VODKA TO GO WITH ALL THAT ICE, NO NOTHING, ONLY COLDDDDDD

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Miguel says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:04:

"So there I was Germany 1936, Max Schmeling vs. Joe Louis
I was a young wide eyed cub reporter for PBS. It was the biggest event in sports history, the Nazi superior race versus the black race.
Sitting directly above me was Hitler and the Arian brotherhood.
Joe kicked the living crap outta Schmeling
Thank you"

Did you hang out with Edward R. Murrow in the press box?

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:06:

and a young walter cronkite too

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elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:08:

edward fokin murrow looked like a serious stiff on tv but after a few drinks that modefoque was a lotta fun.

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morphus says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:12:

That was a grudge match. Schmeling won the first match with Joe Louis. Scmeling died just last year at the age of 99. One more year and he would have been the first heavyweight centurian. Oh well!

Miguel says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:32:

¡No me digas! ¿Los nazis tuvieron TV en 1936?

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:40:

i was doing my reporting using this

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Miguel says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:50:

¡Jaaaaaaa! Better than tin cans connected to a string or birds!

gatogris says on Dec 11, 2007, 09:54:

Poor Joe Louis. Ended up Uncle Tomming the drunken rat pack out front of third rate casinos just like any old punchdrunk stumblebum. Thanks for the dolla Mistah Frank!

morphus says on Dec 11, 2007, 10:48:

The ability to take a punch is also important boxing. Thats why Mike Tyson avoided fights with Evander Holyfield, Ray Mercer and George Foreman. They were all able to take big punches. I knew Holyfield would beat Tyson. Not because Holyfield is such a great boxer. But because he takes punches.

kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 11:06:

GIB- Maskaev is an ethnic Russian born in the old Soviet Union. He adopted US citizenship for professional reasons. Actually, that's beside the point now: Putin's bribed him, appealed to his patriotism, threatened to have him poisoned, whatever, and Maskaev's taken up Russian citizenship.

You're right- he probably did grow up with boxing. He also cut his teeth fighting in the Red Army. I bet that was one school of hard knocks.

The thing about Russians, which ties in with Morphus just said, is that their weakness is that they can go down all too easily. They've got a punch like a steamhammer, but their chins aren't their strongest part.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Dec 11, 2007, 11:10:

The 'Rumble in the Jungle' comments are interesting. If the ropes in question hadn't been so slack, which enabled Ali to virtually lean right out of the ring, would he have been able to pull off his 'rope-a-dope' without Foreman knocking his block off?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

elmodefoque says on Dec 11, 2007, 11:17:

kalder, excellent point.
what if the ropes were tighter.
what if i were born with a CHUCHA instead of a sussuido. I'll be in colombia chasing gringos

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morphus says on Dec 11, 2007, 17:18:

Its a combination of a few things. Yes, keeping your chin "tucked" in is important. Having a big head and short, thick neck also helps. Rocky Marciano is another example of a boxer that can take punches. There was nothing scientific about his boxing skills. Just power hooks and uppercuts.

manINred says on Dec 12, 2007, 11:45:

With all due respect to the United States, it does not dominate boxing anywhere close to what it once does. Joe Calzaghe basically owns his weight class. 2 classes above him another brit dominates. So where is all this US dominancy? Well, on this thread perhaps, in real life, nonexistant. This considering that the US is about 6 times Britain's size. Who was the last great heavyweight champ? Lennox Lewis... British. And for people to put down his Britishness, especially north americans who pride themselves on immigration, is ironic to say the least. There's a reason he fights for Britain. Also why I have no clue where people get this mentality:

"dO guys really think a european boxer has a chance frighting against boxers from this side of the pond? NO WAY IN HELL!!!!!!!!
Even asians with their kun fu and karate and all the chit, don't have a chance. You get one of them black kids from south central, harlem or philly against a chinese guy and the black kid is gonna hit him so fokin hard the asian kid will be vomoting chicken chow mein."

There are ghettos in Europe too, including London, Bradford, Manchester, Birmingham, places that no one in their right mind would go, and the black gangs from those cities would waltz into harlem or philly and not give a shit, that much is guaranteed. Hell, even Toronto has it bad in many places. They just don't all become boxers, nor does being from the street qualify them to do so.

As for Hatton, he moved up a weightclass to give himself a tougher time, to challenge himself to fight against some of the tougher heavier guys (something Mayweather has made a point of NOT doing). One of his last notable wins, in the US, against an American, he won the WBA Welterweight title, so clearly Europeans can come across the pond and beat americans. He has beaten a total of 9 americans (as well as a host of Mexicans and Canadians) , lost to 1... hmmmmmmm somewhere there's a disconnect between what I'm reading here. He is still, by the way, undefeated in the weightclass below.

Nope, I'm afraid the US is not anymore dominant in the boxing world like it once was.

morphus says on Dec 12, 2007, 11:52:

You're probably right. Boxing is not as popular as it used to be in the U.S. Also, less kids are getting into boxing. White guys are afraid of getting their noses broke...lol

manINred says on Dec 12, 2007, 11:53:

"White guys are afraid of getting their noses broke...lol"

haha, amusingly the reason I don't get into boxing!

Brians says on Dec 14, 2007, 05:41:

My comment is Mayweather is a great figther! He is and should be considered one of the best ever. GIB Miguel Cotto would get killer by him. Miguel barely got past Mosley (36 years old and nothing left). Miguel fights in slow motion and would be picked apart. I thought Hatton had a chance has he had a different angle in that he pushes forward. However it was obvious he does not know how to keep distance (which caused the hugging). Anyway I give it up to Floyd even though I hate him. I changed my flight to watch fight in Medellin as I couldn't locate in Bogota. Great time watching at Sprigimace's. He had the big screen and tables out front. Had some beers and went back to Las Palmitas. Thanks Sprig for getting the fight!!

elmodefoque says on Dec 14, 2007, 05:52:

gib if you really like boxing you gotta hit the coast for that.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Dec 14, 2007, 06:07:

you got too many little andean ijuns in the interior. you gotta come up the north colombian coast where we got them thar big black and mulato corroncho modefouque who love to fight.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

El Polo says on Dec 14, 2007, 06:27:

heres a big black corroncho modefouque born in buenaventura, began his boxing carreer in barranquilla and now trains in puerto rico. Edison Pantera Miranda

elmodefoque says on Dec 14, 2007, 06:30:

nojoda, un hp corroncho asi te sampa una tropa y a ve estrellitas se dijo jijijij

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

morphus says on Dec 14, 2007, 06:33:

Cuba has all the gold medalists. Although, they should be turning pro. Its not fair to put a 27 year old Cuban boxer with years of experience against a 20 year old American/European boxer with much less experience. Of course the Cubans are going to win.

I met a few boxers in Cuba. They would be happy to spar with you for some rum money.

elmodefoque says on Dec 14, 2007, 06:34:

nombres bien famoso edison y wilson jijiji

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

El Polo says on Dec 14, 2007, 07:13:

That guy Edison lived a fok up life guys, that modefoque once had to eat road-kill. He lived behind the gym, wakes up everyday at 6:00 am doesnt drink smoke or do drugs. That modefoque is in excellent shape.

Looks like some modefoque selling ceviche in bocagrande. WILSON!!!

El Polo says on Dec 14, 2007, 07:16:

heres a link

http://www.panteraboxing.com/multimedia/video-espn.asp

El Polo says on Dec 14, 2007, 07:17:

he got his bell rung on his last fight though.

El Polo says on Dec 14, 2007, 07:18:

"wilson" jijiji

manINred says on Dec 14, 2007, 10:18:

Cuba is a very prestigious boxing nation.

"My comment is Mayweather is a great figther! He is and should be considered one of the best ever"

absolutely, it's just a shame that he doesn't allow us to see him challenge himself past a certain point. And despite how good Hatton is, he's still not that big of a challenge for someone like Mayweather.

manINred says on Dec 14, 2007, 10:33:

no, mayweather is a great fighter. arguably they could consider him one of the best ever, but it's hard to substantiate that if he takes 2 year breaks...

Brians says on Dec 17, 2007, 07:08:

Edison Miranda got stretched in his last fight but he has probably the biggest heart of a boxer in years. He is a perfect example of the typical fighters in Colombia they lack good training. He could be great if he learns defense and how to counter as he has huge heavy hands.