MATARON A RAUL REYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tejasmarcos says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:01:

WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!

- THAT IS BIG NEWS!

god is in your head

robi666 says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:12:

Yes, big news...

It just did not happen in the right time. Not at all...
The devil plays with Colombia, I guess.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

tejasmarcos says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:15:

why not the right time, robi?

god is in your head

PALEOLITICO says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:18:

robii porqué dices que no pasó en el momento adecuado?. Por las represalias que ellos puedan tomar con el resto de los secuestrados?. Por este lado tendrías razón. Que miedo que los maten. Pero por otro lado pienso que fue el momento perfecto por todo lo que ha venido pasando. Es un golpe psicológico muy fuerte para ellos.

"Amar a la gente y usar las cosas y NO amar a las cosas y usar la gente" www.paleolitico.net

tejasmarcos says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:19:

ingrid?

god is in your head

PALEOLITICO says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:19:

Tejas, depronto matan a los otros secuestrados en venganza.

"Amar a la gente y usar las cosas y NO amar a las cosas y usar la gente" www.paleolitico.net

PALEOLITICO says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:27:

Borbandearon el campamento de este tipo desde el aire y el Presidente Uribe tuvo que llamar al presidente del Ecuador para informarle y no violar territorio Ecuatoriano.

"Amar a la gente y usar las cosas y NO amar a las cosas y usar la gente" www.paleolitico.net

tejasmarcos says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:28:

quiero a conocer las detalles! no creo, paleo. no se seguro..........

god is in your head

PALEOLITICO says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:37:

Detalles: Desde el miércoles pasado comenzó este operativo y esta madrugada la FAC (Fuerza Aerea Colombiana) comenzó el bombardeó (desde el aire) al campamento de Raul Reyes que estaba ubicado en la Frontera con el Ecuador.
El Presidente Uribe llamó a el Presidente de Ecuador para informarle sobre el bombardeo y no violar territorio Ecuatoriano.
Murieron 17 guerrilleros y 1 soldado del ejército colombiano.

"Amar a la gente y usar las cosas y NO amar a las cosas y usar la gente" www.paleolitico.net

tejasmarcos says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:39:

que typo avion? con bombas? o que?

god is in your head

PALEOLITICO says on Mar 1, 2008, 07:58:

Tipo de avión= helicoportados. "con bombas?"= Claro!!!

"Amar a la gente y usar las cosas y NO amar a las cosas y usar la gente" www.paleolitico.net

tejasmarcos says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:01:

que typo helicopteros? blackhawks from usa? from israel? que?

god is in your head

buggy says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:13:

I am not sure that, in the context of today, it is good news.
Reyes was the "negotiator" of FARC.
After the unilateral release of the 4 hostages, we could think that talks could take place.
I understand why Uribe had no opinion about the Chavez proposal: I think he was informed and prepared the assault against Reyes.
Why does he refuse any negotiated solution ?
I think that the political future of Uribe is linked to the FARC.
If the "war" continues, Uribe will be reelected without problem.
If there is peace, the Colombians will examine the inflation, the unemployment, the closing of exporting companies, the developemnt of powerty and Uribe has very little hope of being reelected as his economic and social balance is a true catastroph.

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

juancegomez says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:30:

buggy: "Rául Reyes" served as one of the negotiators during the Caguán talks, but he also had political and military responsibilities as a commander and member of the Secretariat, with troops under his command.

He wasn't exactly a man dedicated entirely to peace, nor was he an easy man to deal with during negotiations. In fact, apparently he was quite the hardliner, at least in certain subjects.

So it's not like his death would have prevented peace, which isn't exactly around the corner anyways.

While the death of human beings isn't exactly a cause for celebration, the war is the war. FARC has never stopped its attacks and there is no cease-fire in place.

For a long time, some people have criticized the Colombian government for not attacking the highest leaders of FARC and thus not producing enough results, so in a way those critics have received a reply. You can't have it both ways.

I wish for a political solution to the conflict, but that cannot happen until both parties decide to talk. At this time, we are not in a time of talks, and even during the Caguán process the war continued without any big changes. There was, again, no real cease-fire, so there is no reason for military operations to end, just as FARC has not stopped its activities.

That said, I am also worried about how FARC will react. But if they do something barbaric, the responsibility will be theirs alone.

Simon says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:35:

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'M SO HAPPY THEY KILLED THIS EVIL, TERRORIST POS!!!!!!!!!!!!
BURN IN HELL RAUL REYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VIVA COLOMBIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

Lisa Zee says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:42:

Great news!. Maybe this is the beginning of the end.

buggy says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:45:

The beginning of the end ....
Frightening sentence.

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

robi666 says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:48:

Lisa, why do you think it is the beginning of the end?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

webmanco says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:48:

Simon I thought you were part of the attack team.

Santos
El dirigente cree que la muerte del guerrillero alias Raúl Reyes no complica la situación de los rehenes en poder del grupo armado ilegal porque las Fuerzas Armadas tienen control sobre el territorio nacional.

Tienen el control del territorio nacional? Lease Nuquí

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

buggy says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:49:

"That said, I am also worried about how FARC will react"

juancegomez, I am not only worried about the FARC's reaction but too about the perspective of ongoing war during years.

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

Simon says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:50:

"Simon I thought you were part of the attack team."

Oh, I wish!!!!



Now we need to get that fat bastard 'El Mono' Jojoy and Tirofijo!!! The FARC's days are numbered!!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

juancegomez says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:50:

buggy: I share that other worry, but I don't believe that the continuation of the war is tied to the death of "Rául Reyes" alone...rather, it is tied, in my opinion, to the positions and strategies of the government and the FARC.

If they can't even agree to sit down and resolve the hostage crisis, peace is definitely going to be far away, even if Mr. Reyes was still in this world.

That said, in a certain way, the horrors of war can increase popular rejection of it, as well as dissent within the affected groups. Wars have beginnings and endings, after all.

robi666 says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:51:

"Es el golpe más duro a las Farc en toda su historia", dijo Juan Manuel Santos

Or maybe it was the better economic condition of the country, the unemployment rate going down, the general support to the government, etc...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

buggy says on Mar 1, 2008, 08:55:

Webmanco, why Nuqui?

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

webmanco says on Mar 1, 2008, 09:00:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/6-more-in-choco-taken-hostage-su...

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

msaucey says on Mar 1, 2008, 09:08:

Another one bites the dust.... they will all be coming to an end...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

pedro says on Mar 1, 2008, 09:24:

This will hurt the FARC's morale in a big way.

Is it fair to assume that most FARC units carry radios and will hear the news immediately?

Surely they would feel vulnerable, in the context of the recent FARC demobilisations. They may suspect that those retiring FARC members gave intel to the army. Or that the army is succeeding better in infiltrating the organisation?

They must be thinking:
- perhaps the demobilising guys gave away info on our position, too?
- we are going to be more poorly managed now, can I still believe in our leadership?
- God is not on our side
- maybe it's time to think about coming in from the jungle, too?

¡save pow wow!

tasco66 says on Mar 1, 2008, 09:26:

Now that top Farc leaders are taken as targets, I would not be surprised to see them pushing for peace talks with Uribe

Veni, vidi, vici

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 1, 2008, 09:37:

Pedro, I don't think they will think about God. They're supposed to be marxist. As a military organization, albeit badly managed and disjointed, they are probably prepared for war casualties. I agree with juance; the taking out of Raul Reyes may not prove to be such a decisively important thing. I also believe that Reyes was one of the hardliners and as a negotiator; not a loss for FARC. This may or may not have effect on the treatment of the prisoners; right now we can only wait and see.


I also think that the timing was not good regarding the process of liberation of the hostages. That will most probably stop now and further people will not be getting out.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

pedro says on Mar 1, 2008, 09:40:

Desi, they almost surely believe in something.

But let me clarify that to be "God and/or fate is not on our side".

¡save pow wow!

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 1, 2008, 09:51:

It's only one guy, the FARC is an organization, it will surely continue without him. And, since we don't know the whole story, maybe FARC gave him up to purge themsleves of him. This is not the end of FARC.

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bamacellist says on Mar 1, 2008, 09:56:

"I also think that the timing was not good regarding the process of liberation of the hostages. That will most probably stop now and further people will not be getting out."

The Farc had already made it clear they had no intentions of releasing any more hostages after the last four except as a result of an exchange.

"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."

msaucey says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:00:

But, the empire is starting to show the faults.... The troops are just the worker bees as soon as there's a fight for the who's on top, you know the typical piss on political b.s. that exists in any organization, that's where the failures will truly begin...

Hope that makes sense.. trying to make sense without coffee is hard...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

tasco66 says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:03:

I didn’t know there were good times and bad times to kill a terrorist…I think it’s more a question of will and opportunity

Veni, vidi, vici

juancegomez says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:09:

Desi: They're officially Marxist and atheist, but I suppose some of them, especially the common fighters, will still practice religion on a personal level, even if they can't show it publicly due to ideological orthodoxy.

MT: FARC can name someone else to fill that position easily enough. However, a replacement will be a different person, with other virtues and flaws, which may or may not be able to immediately compensate for the automatic shock in terms of organization, experience, knowledge and morale, even if they are mentally prepared for such results. It's not a quantifiable loss, but it's not exactly without consequences either. If "Reyes" had information, money, projects or contacts he had not properly or fully reported to the rest of the Secretariat, for example, it would take time to set things straight.

bamacellist says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:09:

Good grief, I don't think anybody's saying they're gonna say "boo hoo" and evaporate. But, as they have been struggling to maintain themselves as a coherent organization with a central command and an ideological foundation, this is the kind of thing that could take even more wind out of their sails.

"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."

Simon says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:15:

Carlos Edilson Hérnandez was the brave soldier who lost his life during the military operation in which Raul Reyes and seventeen FARC terrorists were killed.

May you rest in peace and thank you for your service to Colombia.


http://www.eltiempo.com/conflicto/noticias/ARCHIVO/ARCHIVO-3981537-0.p...

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

PALEOLITICO says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:20:

Oigan esto: El 20 de octubre del 2006 El presidente Uribe ya habia sentenciado a Raul reyes y a todos los cabecillas de las FARC a muerte. En este discurso le dijo "fantoche" de los medios de comunicación a Raul Reyes. Que viva mi Presidente carajo!!!!

"Amar a la gente y usar las cosas y NO amar a las cosas y usar la gente" www.paleolitico.net

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:31:

Ijust want to say one thing WOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO
TIME TO POP THE CHAMPAGNE OUT :))))

msaucey says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:32:

Kat, you've just been looking for a good reason to pop the champagne... Pero, bueno, si es una buena ocasion...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

Simon says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:33:

Esoooo Kat, tonight I will definitely down a few shots of aguardiente to celebrate!!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:33:

lets party :)))))

buggy says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:44:

everybody gets the pleasures he can

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:51:

hey! Why don't we invited cassini too, :)))))

Simon says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:54:

Ese está de luto, jajajaja!!!!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 1, 2008, 10:55:

JAJAJAJ simon, we will send him our condolence

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 1, 2008, 11:02:

I'll have a glass with you kat, but I'm celebrating life, the return of the four parlamentarians, from captivity, I just found out about it.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 1, 2008, 11:41:

Here it´s a link as to how the the operation happended according to El tiempo.
http://www.eltiempo.com/conflicto/noticias/ARCHIVO/ARCHIVO-3981535-0.p...

In order to be objective I try to look for news for both sides (ANNCOL is down, probably people trying to get their reaction).

Telesur published an interview with the secretary of PCC (partido comunista Col) Mr Jaime Caicedo. He insists Reyes wasn´t a terrorist...

http://www.telesurtv.net/secciones/noticias/nota/24957/raul-reyes-no-e...

You know something funny?
This morning my browser started acting weird. Any web address will appear on the "right" not in the "left" as normally does... may be a premonition ?

I am happy !

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

MitchAlvarez says on Mar 1, 2008, 11:43:

me voy a tomar un guarito por la muerto de uno de esos perros hp

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 1, 2008, 11:45:

I don´t know if low-level guerrilas will be able to hear the news. This week SEMANA published an interview with an ex-guerrilla where the guy mentioned how comanders offered guerrilas iPods in exchange for AM/FM radios so they wouldn´t be able to listen to anything different that their propaganda.
Hopefully these great news will spread quickly

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 1, 2008, 11:54:

It's El Polo that represents the legitimate Colombian left-of-the-center. I think weakening of the FARC is a good thing but it's against my nature to celebrate death. Perhaps the time for negotiations will come soon; my priority lies on the individual level here, for getting home the kidnapped people, for saving innocent lives; what happens after that may well be war with casualties, but at least it's "clean" in a sense that parties involved are prepared to pay the price. I do not wish for a Marxist takeover in Colombia or anywhere; but it's alternative that most Colombians seem to want is the neoliberal, globalized, US-friendly/dependant economy would not be my choice for Colombia either.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:01:

Looks like it was a Tucano plane (Brazilian company EMBRAER)

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:04:

I do not celebrate death either Desi. I am against capital punishment.
To me is ridiculous to punish an assasin with the same thing he/she did... It´s contradictory!
But today?, he didn´t deserve better, and so won´t the others (Jojoy, Jhon 40, Mancuso, all of them)
I wasn´t alive when Hitler died, but I´m pretty sure I´d have been at least relieved by it.

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

Simon says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:08:

I just celebrate the deaths of the BAD GUYS.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:15:

I'm relieved too and I share your view on capital punishment. No, he didn't deserve better and he was prepared to die, I'm sure for that. I'm no FARC expert, far from it, but what I've read about them is that they consider themselves as an insurgency and at war against the legitimate government of Colombia which makes his death not a murder, not an asassination but a war casualty. These guys are ruthless and there are many deaths on their conscience, if they have one, or if they believe that it's just "collateral damage" when innocent civilians die and suffer.

Hiltler's death cannot be compared with this incident, not directly, but I believe most people were relieved when the war was finally brought to an end in Europe and none were more relieved than some of his closest staff members. Raul Reyes is "small potatoes" compared to that but my choice would have been him would have been brought to justice, tried by a court of law and sent to jail for the rest of his life with no parole.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Colombiche says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:20:

Tirofijo esta basicamente muerto. Ahora Raul Reyes. Las FARC sin sus cabecillas seguira desintegrandose.

Felicito a las Fuerzas Armadas de Colombia.

Ojala esto sea el comienzo de una nueva era para nuestro hermoso pais.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:21:

Simon says, "I just celebrate the deaths of the BAD GUYS."

All bad guys, 'cuase I'm sure most of us have friends who are not saints.

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Alma del Norte says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:30:

"I just celebrate the deaths of the BAD GUYS"

Just .like cowboys & injuns, huh?

Oh, but if life were that simple.

Colombiche says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:30:

Uribe tiene mi voto para el tercer período.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Simon says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:35:

"All bad guys, 'cuase I'm sure most of us have friends who are not saints."


There's a difference between "not being a saint", which most of us aren't, and being a terrorist who kidnaps and murders people and trafficks illegal drugs.

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:40:

Desi.
He may not be compared to Hitler, but he wrote a really horrendous page on Locombia´s history.
Off to my nephew´s baptizim. If CAS comes by, say hello from me :)

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

jorgegdiaz says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:42:

One more thing:
Do yuo guys hear fireworks (you know, voladores) in your cities?
I swear I hear them in Bucaram!

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:45:

"Off to my nephew´s baptizim. If CAS comes by, say hello from me :)" (jorgediaz)

We don't talk that much.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 1, 2008, 12:45:

I have many good friends who some people consider to be "bad guys" but those people that judge my friends have more skeletons hiding in their closets, they're all hypocrites!

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

Lucas Freley says on Mar 1, 2008, 13:00:

Yo no creo que las FARC dependan solo de dos personas...Incluso probablemente "alguien" (lease persona/gobierno) de afuera esté involucrado también. Veo muy difícil que las FARC desaparezcan. No mientras esa sutancia blanca que negocian siga teniendo como clientes a grandes potencias del Norte de America y de Europa...Esto es nada mas que un negocio. De eso se trata. Nada que ver con ideologías políticas ni mucho menos. Todo es por la plata que sacan con la droga y los secuestros. Y si aparte de eso le sumamos a los grupos paras como los Elenos, Aucs y demas...este tema lamentablemente no parece tener solución. La muerte de este tipo...bueno que se yo, si mató, secuestró y destruyó familias...entonces es lo que se merecía. Pero no cambia en nada la situación...en la selva hay mas de 700 secuestrados, y ni hablar la cantidad de desplazados...y niños muertos por minas, etc.

Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati)

robi666 says on Mar 1, 2008, 13:15:

This can help you to toss and party...



This is good too (probably others dead guerrillas or ladrones or marijuaneros anyway)



Those pictures got me hungry... go to eat something... VIVA COLOMBIA!

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Simon says on Mar 1, 2008, 13:31:

He looks just like the dead Pablo Escobar!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 1, 2008, 13:37:

And people were afraid of that o' bastard?!

He looks more like Earnest Hemingway after shooting himself dead.

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

kabigat says on Mar 1, 2008, 13:56:

Si debemos alegrarnos por la muerte de esta bestia y no medellin traveler no le tenian miedo al cerdito de engorde le tenian miedo a los mas de dos mil hombres que conformaban su cuerpo de seguridad.

webmanco says on Mar 1, 2008, 14:12:

People should not be happy upon the death of anyone, in Raul Reyes case, he died figthing his "orgarnization" goals.

A different history would had been if he got arrested "not killed" and taken into Colombian custody and punished for all of his crimes, that would had been a reason to be content, now if he was extradited to another country it would had been somewhat good as well althought it would reinforce the inhability of our own goverment to make justice on its own.

http://www.eltiempo.com/justicia/2008-03-01/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR...

Marzo 1 de 2008

De Colombia sale casi 90% de la cocaína que llega a E. U., según informe de Departamento de Estado


(también resalta que el gobierno del presidente Uribe mantiene el 'fuerte récord' de extradición de ciudadanos colombianos que han cometido delitos en Estados Unidos, con 164 realizadas el año pasado.)

Would there be a reason (besides his crime activities) the goverment would not want him alive?

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

kabigat says on Mar 1, 2008, 14:22:

webmanco you assume that this animal was in fact a human being he was not in fact it was the exact opposite he was inhuman therefore we can dance. And you are correct i would have loved to see this MOFO dressed in orange with the word inmate on his back.

juancegomez says on Mar 1, 2008, 14:32:

There's always some amount of horror in dead bodies, especially those of individuals who have been killed violently, regardless of who they are. I think that applies here as well. There's really no urgent need to showcase his body so much, though I understand some people would never believe it without some kind of evidence.

Again, I'm not going to pretend to be in a position to mourn him, other than in an exclusively and generic humane manner despite his criminal life and all its painful consequences for countless others...but I'm not going to jump up and down in celebration either, considering other continuing issues and worries. It's still, however, an undeniable military result.

webmanco: While an arrest would have been preferable...can you imply it would have been easier to capture him alive than to kill him?

His camp was apparently on Ecuador's side of the border and capture would have required, at the very least, to land troops on that side of the border and hope he doesn't run away and hide in the meanwhile, protected by his guards.

kabigat says on Mar 1, 2008, 14:37:

Ingrid fue secuestrada por orden de esta bestia salvaje.

podborski says on Mar 1, 2008, 14:49:

people who take innocent people's lives give up the right to their own life.

If I had friends/relatives killed by these terrorists I'd sure as hell celebrate.

There is a difference between good and evil, and most times it's pretty easy to tell between the two.

webmanco says on Mar 1, 2008, 14:58:

you imply it would have been easier to capture him alive than to kill him?


preferaly to aprehend him than to kill him, regardles of his whereabouts

The way I see it, the did him a favor, (maybe a few others). Who knows if he left any writings somewhere.

If Noriega was taken alive why not Raúl Reyes?

If the guy from Sendero Luminoso was taken alive why not Raúl Reyes?

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

romy says on Mar 1, 2008, 15:01:

podborski, is Uribe good or evil? Bush? Lenin? Marx? Castro?(etc. etc.)
easy for the ignorant I think

Atrevido says on Mar 1, 2008, 15:04:

There were over two hundred citizen responses to the news in El Pais and 99.9% were overjoyed and the majority credit Uribe for the successfull attack. One example pretty well sums it it up:

"carlos Alarcon / cali,

Mientras Pastrana lo abrazó Uribe lo mató"

Minister of Defense Santos stated that "a human source" supplied the location of Reyes. The location of "El Negro Acasio" was also supplied by a human source. What has happened is that military intelligence with impetus from Uribe has improved a hundred fold and the FARC are fast losing their hiding places.

If the source was civilian I expect he will recieve an impressive recompense. I wouldn´t be surprised if the FARC have to begin spending their ill gotten gains paying big protection money like super-narcos such as Chupeta.

podborski says on Mar 1, 2008, 15:47:

it is easy, but not for the ignorant.

tell me what actions a person has taken, and I'll tell you if they are good or evil. Judges do it all the time.

Marx, Lenin, Castro all easy. Bush, my mind is not made up, I used to think just stupid and incompetent. But maybe one day when we know more about what really happened I will downgrade him.

I know next to nothing about Uribe, I'm not fit to judge.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 1, 2008, 15:49:

kabigat says, "Ingrid fue secuestrada por orden de esta bestia salvaje."

ENOUGH about Ingrid!

What about the other kidnapped victims!?!

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 1, 2008, 15:51:

burn in hell, rr.......

thanks for posting the pics, robi. it is good to see someone takin out the trash.

for those who feel as though this piece of trash did not deserve to die, i have some real nice fresh fotos i can share of children who had their throats slashed by the FARC. no one should feel sympathy for this mans death.........

NEXT!

god is in your head

jh816 says on Mar 1, 2008, 15:58:

With all the excitement, there's not much word on the capture of the guy that replaced Martin Caballero, but this was a really big capture as well. With all the hostage releases and captures/deaths of FARC lately this could be a turning point for Colombia. Amazing.

Tropas del Comando conjunto del Caribe capturaron en las últimas horas a Manuel Ortiz o Lucio Gómez Briñez, alias "Mañe", quien reemplazó a Martín Caballero en la comandancia del frente 35 de las Farc.

Colprensa/LA PATRIA
Sincelejo

Tropas del Comando conjunto del Caribe capturaron en las últimas horas a Manuel Ortiz o Lucio Gómez Briñez, alias "Mañe", quien reemplazó a Martín Caballero en la comandancia del frente 35 de las Farc.

También se identificaba como Uriel Oviedo Aldana. Su captura se dio cuando se desplazaba de parrillero en una moto, en zona rural del municipio de Córdoba, Bolívar.

Alias "Mañe" delinquía en la región de los Montes de María y asumió tras la muerte de Caballero, según fuentes militares.

El 25 de octubre del año anterior fue abatido en combates Gustavo Rueda Díaz, alias "Martín Caballero", comandante del frente 37 de las Farc, en el departamento de Bolívar, exactamente en la región conocida como los Montes de María.

Para las autoridades, los dos fueron responsables del secuestro del hoy canciller Fernando Araujo. En las próximas horas las Fuerzas Militares adelantarán una rueda de prensa donde el guerrillero será mostrado ante los medios de comunicación.

robi666 says on Mar 1, 2008, 17:05:

Well, my post was ironic. I think that party in front of killing and dead bodies is typical of beasts and barbarians, but it is just me...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

tomtom33 says on Mar 1, 2008, 17:33:

I will buck the trend and say that I think that Bush is neither incompetent nor stupid. If he were truly either, he never would have served nearly two terms as US President. He can only be adequately judged by historians at least 25 years down the road.

Were some stupid and incompetent moves made during Bush's tenure? Hell yes. Can you name any President(or any human for that matter) free from error?

Every single decision made by Bush was made in concert with some of the best minds available. And there is no decision that everyone will agree with. I don't agree with many of the decisions that I have made in the past. Hindsight....

Come get me!

goin_south says on Mar 1, 2008, 18:10:

!!!!! SAILOR UNRETIRES !!!!!!

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

billyb says on Mar 1, 2008, 18:21:

Pato, I'll take a shot, yeeeehaaa!!!!!

billyb says on Mar 1, 2008, 18:36:

It was only one guy, and albeit not one of the major military strategists liek Mono Jojoy, but it is a huge golpe psicológico, since one of the tenets of the FARC and their water carriers has been that if the Colombian armed forces were so good, how come they couldn't touch El Secretariado. Well not only did they touch it, but they touched el numero uno. How many lower level commanders that were sitting on the fence about whether to give it up, have now just had their minds made up for them. You will see the stream of defectors growing into a river. Also a little known fact is that one of the biggest crisis the FARC is currently suffering is the that so many mandos medios and caleteros are deserting and taking the FARC's drug money with them. Another good and somehwat overlooked aspect of today's great accomplishment is the fact that the Ecuadorian governament and pres Correa in particular, not only gave Uribe el visto bueno, but also offered all neccessary cooperation, and even deployed Ecuadorian troops to prevent Reyes and his men from escaping.

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 1, 2008, 18:59:

billyb,
Good comments and observations.

These are definitely interesting times in Colombia.

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juancegomez says on Mar 1, 2008, 19:37:

Chávez protested and, more importantly in terms of this incident, Correa seems to be reacting at this time by recalling Ecuador's ambassador, actually...so things are becoming more complicated than they seemed on the diplomatic front, to say the least.

billyb says on Mar 1, 2008, 20:32:

Chavez will always protest when his clients in the FARC get hurt.

billyb says on Mar 1, 2008, 20:37:

"Correa llamó a consultas a embajador en Colombia

Elpais.com.co-AP

Rafael Correa, presidente de Ecuador.


El presidente Rafael Correa llamó al embajador de Ecuador en Bogotá y anunció que enviará una nota de protesta por la incursión del ejército de Colombia en territorio ecuatoriano que derivó en un enfrentamiento en que murió Raúl Reyes, dirigente de las Farc.

"El presidente (Alvaro Uribe) o estuvo mal informado o descaradamente le mintió al presidente de Ecuador ... vamos a ir hasta las últimas consecuencias para que se aclare este escandaloso hecho que es una agresión a nuestro territorio y a nuestra patria" , dijo Correa en rueda de prensa.

"Hemos convocado a nuestro embajador en Bogotá (Francisco Suéscum). Estamos elevando una enérgica nota de protesta" , añadió.

Correa dijo que "si no tenemos explicaciones contundentes que digan que el presidente Uribe fue engañado o que se evidencia ante el mundo que una vez más le mintió al gobierno ecuatoriano y que incursionó sin ningún escrúpulo hacia nuestro territorio ... les insisto iremos hasta las últimas consecuencias pero no permitiremos ni un ultraje más".






Juance, as always you are right. So what happened in the meantime?? Did little Hugo call him and threaten to end all subsidies to Ecuador if he (Correa) didn't change his tune? Either way, fok both of them and viva Colombia. Like MT says, we are living in interesting times.

billyb says on Mar 1, 2008, 20:44:

I am hearing that what is now transcurring is a face saving mechanism for Correa. If that is what he needs, so be it.

billyb says on Mar 2, 2008, 00:16:

Así se enteró el presidente Rafael Correa de la muerte de 'Raúl Reyes'


Foto: AP
El presidente Rafael Correa en una de sus visitas a la zona fronteriza con Colombia para enterarse del impacto de las fumigaciones en la zona.
Información relacionada
Ecuador llamó a consultas a embajador en Colombia, tras muerte de 'Reyes' en ese país El presidente �lvaro Uribe le informó personalmente el hecho a las 8 y 45 de la mañana, vía telefónica. Y luego hubo otras comunicaciones para mantener informado al mandatario ecuatoriano.

Los ecuatorianos, a su vez, se enteraron de la noticia por boca de su Presidente, a las 11:13 de la mañana. Poco después de que Correa inició su tradicional mensaje radial sabatino, una llamada telefónica le hizo interrumpir su alocución.

"Es una llamada del presidente de Colombia �lvaro Uribe", explicó al aire y se retiró de los micrófonos.

La aparente inconsistencia de horas se debe a que Correa pregrabó su alocución, por eso aunque todo estaba sucediendo en tiempo real, los ecuatorianos se enteraron más de dos horas después.

El parte de Correa

Cuando Correa volvió a los micrófonos dijo: "Era el presidente Uribe para informar que esta madrugada hubo un combate muy fuerte entre el ejército colombiano y fuerzas de las Farc, y muchos de esos combates vinieron del lado ecuatoriano. Parece ser que las Farc incursionaron en territorio ecuatoriano. Hay que aclarar un poco ese incidente".

"Hay un soldado muerto colombiano, 17 guerrilleros muertos y 11 heridos y capturados. Entre los fallecidos está el comandante de las Farc 'Raúl Reyes', uno de los principales líderes de las Farc", señaló. "Yo lamento cualquier pérdida de vidas", añadió.

Luego, Correa pidió que lo comunicaran con el comandante de la Cuarta División del Ejército, acantonada en el sector fronterizo de Sucumbíos, para "que envíen una patrulla e informen qué pasó".

"Básicamente quiero presentar mi solidaridad al pueblo colombiano, la pérdida de vidas siempre es un dolor para toda sociedad civilizada y ratificamos nuestra solidaridad con el pueblo colombiano y si en algo podemos mediar en ese conflicto tan sangriento, pues cuenten con nuestro contingente", manifestó el Presidente en su mensaje.

Pocos minutos antes del anuncio público de Correa, EL TIEMPO se comunicó en Quito con el ministro coordinador de Seguridad Interna y Externa, Gustavo Larrea, quien dio a entender que no sabía nada al respecto.

"Mira, voy a pedir informes porque en este momento estoy en una ceremonia. Llámame en una hora y te doy nuestra versión", fue su respuesta. Lo cual indica que todo fue manejado al nivel más alto, entre los dos presidentes.

Tema de disputas

Las versiones de la presencia de 'Raúl Reyes' en Ecuador no eran nuevas. En octubre del 2006, hubo un serio incidente diplomático entre los dos países tras las denuncias de Uribe de que el segundo al mando de las Farc se protegía en las selvas ecuatorianas.

El entonces canciller ecuatoriano, en el gobierno de Alfredo Palacio, Francisco Carrión, llamó al embajador en Quito, Carlos Holguín, para pedirle explicaciones sobre el tema.

Durante el último año, el ejército del vecino país ha encontrado por lo menos una docena de campamentos abandonados de esta fuerza insurgente en su territorio.

Tras un periodo de tensión por las denuncias sobre incursiones del Ejército colombiano en el vecino país y los problemas de los desplazados y las fumigaciones a narcocultivos, los dos gobiernos han venido desarrollado en los últimos meses acciones para crear un clima de entendimiento.


MAGGY AYALA SAMANIEGO
PARA EL TIEMPO

podborski says on Mar 2, 2008, 04:29:

tomtom I hear ya, but I just think the evidence is overwhelming that Bush couldn't make a good decision if his life depended on it.

MAYBE we'll find out years from now there were reasons for his decision to invade Iraq (for one example only) that made sense, but I doubt it.

It's not only Iraq, he's been a total disaster economically too. He'll get out just before the shit hits the fan and then blame it on the next admin, like the dishonest, irresponsible little man he is.