Marriage for citizenship

kalder says on May 26, 2008, 04:38:

'And please save the "why the hell would you want to be a citizen here" posts.'

It's so incomparably valid a question that it should be asked repeatedly.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on May 26, 2008, 04:40:

And I'm sure the squalid practice of contracting a bogus marriage is as illegal in Colombia as it is in the US or the UK.

And not to be encouraged.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Atrevido says on May 26, 2008, 05:01:

There was a crackdown a while back on mainland Colombians who did just that to gain residency status on San Andres. A foreigner married to a Colombian can receive a "permanent resident visa" after three years but "citizenship" is a long long road.

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kalder says on May 26, 2008, 05:19:

Why bother posting?

Why not? I've a few moments to kill while waiting to go out to a barbecue.

Or perhaps I proactively wanted to point out the dubious nature of your query.

Good luck finding that one-armed man!

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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robi666 says on May 26, 2008, 05:24:

Poker, you should not do it for free. You'd be offered at least 15K USD for it.
Do not sell off yourself that easy!

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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poker11 says on May 26, 2008, 05:29:

asasf

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robi666 says on May 26, 2008, 05:35:

You got it right, poker. She must pay.
If she cries about not having money, offer her to do a "mule job" a couple of time in exchange. She will have her Visa anyway, and that would get you even more cash.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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slguy says on May 26, 2008, 06:52:

jesus. a guy posts here for help on committing a crime, then gets bent out of shape at the responses he gets? you might feel more comfortable at i'majerk.com....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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juicerbud says on May 26, 2008, 06:54:

It is illegal!!! It is this kind of behavior that makes the immigration process more difficult for real families.

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poker11 says on May 26, 2008, 07:02:

what a bunch of hardasses lol

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Gator says on May 26, 2008, 07:04:

¡CUIDADO! Remember what Sir Walter Scott wrote, "Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!"

Post was a little confusing. Does he mean he wants to be a Colombian citizen?

You must be married to a Colombian national for a minimum of three years then you can apply for permanent residence through MRE, Bogotá. After two years as a married resident OR five years as a resident you can apply for citizenship. I decided to forgo the right to vote or be an officer in the military and just stick with permanent residence.

Ah, Colombian citizenship-it ain't like the USA process:

http://www.minrelext.gov.co/Servicios/extranjeroNOhispano.asp

REQUISITES TO OBTAIN citizenship non- HISPANIC FOREIGNERS

NON HISPANIC foreigners who request citizenship will be able to present the request before the government or before the Department of Foreign Affairs.

IMPORTANT NOTE:
the Law 43 of 1993, indicates as requisite to obtain citizenship, to be domiciled in Colombia for a term of 5 years continuous immediately previous to the date of presentation of the request (if he/she is not married with Colombian national), or for two (2) years (if the foreigner is married with Colombian national). Understand that a foreigner is domiciled when he/she has a RESIDENT'S VISA, by what the period is counted from the date in which visa was granted.
To fulfill the requisites established in the Law 43 of 1993 and the Decree 1869 of 1994, the following documents will have to be contributed to this office.:

1. Brief gone to mister Ministro de Relaciones Exteriores, in which they request Colombian citizenship for adoption, will have to contain:

a) Name, document of identity, fatherland and current nationality of the petitioner.
b) City of domicile and direction of his residence.
c) Reasons on which his request is based.
d) Declaration of his last domicile before having established itself in the country.
e) Authorization to request certificate of the Administrative Department of Security(DAS) to give to the Department of Foreign Affairs, of criminal records or of good conduct or to enclose the same certificate sent recently by the D.A.S.
f) If the petitioner will have children under his custody, he/she can ask it to extend the nationality to them, for which it is necessary to present the tests regarding the marital status of the younger sons to whom one must extend the nationality. The request will have to do jointly for the parents and in case the custody is exercised for one of them one will have Authenticated photocopy of the Certificate of current status of foreigners.
3. Suitable document sent by competent authority of his fatherland, in which the date is verified and place of birth or authenticated photocopy of the current passport. to credit the above mentioned circumstance. Also furnish birth certificate or civil record of birth in accordance with the article 259 of the Code of Civil Procedure, that is to say, authenticated by the Consul of Colombia 4. Certificate of good conduct observed for interested his fatherland or the last country different from Colombia where it has resided for five (5) years.
5. To credit definition of his military situation in the fatherland, by means of certification sent in such a sense by the competent authority (unless it has deposited Colombia being under-age or that, in the moment to present the request it has more than 50 years. In the opposite case, the petitioner will have to define his military situation in Colombia on having obtained the nationality it requests
6. Authenticated photocopies of the last two income statements or certificate of retention in the source if he is a dependent worker or his accreditation of income on the part of public book-keeper (CPA))
7. To credit profession or office (in case of being an associate or owner of industrial or commercial establishment to collect certificate of the Chamber of commerce in which there consists the social object of the above mentioned entity or certificate of the company where it works), or in his shortcoming written Declaration of the person or spouse where economic dependency consists.
8. To possess a basic knowledge of Castilian, of the Political Constitution of Colombia and general knowledge of Native History and Geography of Colombia, examinations that it will have to present in the respective Government, according to the arranged for the 9th, numeral articles 4th and 9th encore of the Law 43 of 1993. There are exceptions to this requisite those who verify to have obtained graduate's title or to have studied university education in Colombia. 9. Civil record of marriage if married (a) with Colombian (a) 10. Record of birth of the Colombian children.
11. Six (6) photos 4x5
It is important to remember that all the photocopies must be authenticated by notary. The documents sent in the exterior must be authenticated by Colombian Consul and his signature of debit be legalized as it distinguishes itself in the 3rd point. In his shortcoming the document must include the stamp of Apostille, in accordance with the “ Convention on abolition of the requisite of legalization for public foreign documents ��?. Finally, any document that one finds in a language different from Spanish will have to be translated officially.
It is necessary to point out that, in accordance with the established in the article 11 of the Law 43 of 1993, if passed six (6) months of requested some requisite, not contributed, will presume that the foreigner does not have interest to acquire the Colombian nationality and therefore, will arrange himself the file of the records.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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CanadaMan says on May 26, 2008, 07:05:

Goodbye Poker.. This thread will be deleted shortly.. It has been flagged and will be gone..

We are not here to help you commit a crime..

Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 26, 2008, 07:48:

i personally won't delete the thread, why, because other can take note and learn what will happen if you do that, some although sarcastic are given some advice, yes you will have the Colombian visa, but yeah you can get tangled in other problems. He is not the first person who wants to do that, i met a guy who paid a Colombian girl for him to obtained Colombian citizenship so he could opened a business there
what would have happened if this girl afterwards didn't want to divorce, or wanted half the business? he was lucky the girl didn't nothing all of those things but he played with fire

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GregYohn says on May 26, 2008, 07:52:

Hola!

I think Americans do not need to pay to marry Colombians. Being a nice guy works. If you think money is the issue, then save your money to make her happy with your kindness. Build a home there together, but you can start smaller. Treat her nice and show your interest in her family and culture. It is not an issue of paying money, but acting nicely with or without spending money.

I have been to Colombia 13 times, and I bring nice little gifts from the USA that are unavailable in Colombia. First start off by willing to listen to her wishes. It is a good idea to bring nice gifts for her family too. I learned women like Victoria Secret body lotion in Colombia. Bringing $1 Aspirin is a thoughtful gift. When I 1st discovered my GF had a computer that was practicely DEAD, I got her a new machine even better than mine, so we could communicate better via the internet. Remember, communication is the key!

If you want more ideas contact me!

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poker11 says on May 26, 2008, 08:07:

GATOR:

How long to recieve a green card after the marriage?

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OneHappyBoy says on May 26, 2008, 08:53:

A couple of men in FLA got caught in Colombiana/US citizenship fraud, where the Colombiana paid $ upon residency(I am sure that year working at Subway for free sucked). Well, All went to prison, in FLA...FOR FRAUD!!!!

I am sure, with Colombia's more "efficient judiciary system" They probably have similar sentencing guidelines, since what you are proposing is FRAUD!!!! I don't care whether the country is Ghana, Syria, Camaroon, or Colombia, if somebody request citizenship, the respective governments want them to not go about it in a fraudulent manner.

My wife, before I came along,over the course of 10 years, had one Colombian/American boyfriend, based out of Miami steal her identity to help him mule. Another American gringo showed up, off and on, in Bogota, over the course of 2 years, promising her the world, while having a senorita in Orlando he was married to; and another Canadian man, who was in Colombia on business for 6 months told her she was his "world" , supposedly wanting to take her to Canada, then dissappeared back to Canada one day; no explanation or good bye.

What I am getting at is NICE Colombianas put of with alot of SHIT from gringos with the hopes of something better in their life. You are not going to find a long line of Colombianas outside your door, just because you are an American with money to burn, trying to buy Colombian citizenship. They want somebody that is going to treat them with respect and some sort of commitment beyond the citizenship requirements.

If you do find that "special girl" chances are she is probably has motives of her own, that will propbably involve parting you from more than just your money. Remember, you may get a lot more than you bargained for. What are you going to do? go to the Police and say, "hey! I married this woman for citizenship, but she and her Colombiano stole my money! my identity!, and all my chit!! HELP!!!"- Better yet, sing that one to the US consulate, as you limb back home.. I am sure they will be there with open arms.

Anyway, good luck with your endeavors!!!

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Gator says on May 26, 2008, 09:23:

green card-no such animal in Colombia- do you mean the USA Permanent Resident Card (form I-551)? i

You must be MARRIED to a Colombian national for a MINIMUM of three years ONLY then you can apply for permanent residence through MRE, Bogotá. After two years as a MARRIED resident OR five years as a PERMANENT resident you can apply for citizenship.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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CatGirl says on May 26, 2008, 09:47:

Slygy" jesus. a guy posts here for help on committing a crime, then gets bent out of shape at the responses he gets? you might feel more comfortable at i'majerk.com...."


Psst....Just mention all this during the interview process and everything else will fall into place ;)

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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CatGirl says on May 26, 2008, 09:52:

Kat: BTW - just saw your comment..this is true too...it can happen.
Hey, I was offered 20k once many moons back (it was worth much more back then) and turned the guy down, cause I would not be able to wake up every morning and look at myself with a clear conscience. Marriage is a business contract....but heart strings are supposed to be attached, sorry my belief system does not allow this type of stuf I guess.

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poker11 says on May 26, 2008, 09:54:

GATOR:

I think I am having a lawyer rip me off..I pm'd you...

He told me once I am married I will recieve a "colombian green card" with my picture on it. Which will say I am a resident of Colombia. He is lying?

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Gator says on May 26, 2008, 09:57:

yes

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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CatGirl says on May 26, 2008, 09:57:

OMG - poker....maybe you should ask Gator how to go about this legitimately, less of a web to weave. ;))

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poker11 says on May 26, 2008, 09:59:

I would love to...gator how do i go about this legitmately to get a gov't issued picture ID saying I live in Colombia in the shortest time possible.

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Gator says on May 26, 2008, 10:14:

Marry a Colombiana then apply through MRE for a spouse visa. This process is fairly quick if you have all the required paperwork(check any Colombian Consulate the in the USA or, if your Spanish is up to it, MRE's site or do a search on this site).

After you obtain the visa then you have 15 days to go to a DAS office and apply for a Cédula de Extranjia (foreign ID card) as opposed to a Cédula de Ciudadanía (Colombian citizenship), This is the only picture ID that is used country wide in Colombia.

This entire process can be done through a Colombian Consulate in the USA.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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poker11 says on May 26, 2008, 10:19:

great, gator .. u are not an attorney are u? can u set this up?

this foreign ID card will have my colombian address on it? this is good news

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poker11 says on May 26, 2008, 10:49:

...and how long do u estimate for the entire process from a colombian consulate?

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CatGirl says on May 26, 2008, 11:05:

Rubito "Remember if you get citizenship at a certain age, you're getting all the rights and priveledges a Colombian citizen has without having to do military service that's required of them, so it's like letting you cut to the front of the line."

What is the year of birth this begins BTW? ;)))

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miamimike says on May 26, 2008, 11:07:

Happy Boy--US Immigration here in Miami, Oralndo, Tampa has reeled in a Lot of Women(and men) from South America, Russia in Fraud Marriage Scams. I haven't heard of them being sent to prison but they have been put in US Detention centers before they are deported. Lifetime exclusions will be the penalty at the least. Now the guys (or women) that were citizens may be a different story,,,

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CatGirl says on May 26, 2008, 11:13:

Jucerbud: It is this kind of behavior that makes the immigration process more difficult for real families.

I agree ;) ...to a point. Sorry, but I think every situation is unique. I personally would not participate, but I have much more respect for those that are honest and upfront about their motives, than harming others and engaging in emotionally risky behavior ;)

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CatGirl says on May 26, 2008, 11:16:

Sorry to derail a bit, maybe I asked the question incorrect...

What is the year of birth for a Colombian Native to be obligated to do service in the military?

Example, in Jordan - it is 1958. Any born from 1958 and up was/is required to do 2 or 3 years or go to prison.

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sanandressi says on May 26, 2008, 12:37:

Can a permanent resident join the Colombian military like a legal resident can in the United States?

I can see it now, go to Colombia, join the FAC, Colombian army, and fight the FARC. How would that be? Forget the French Foreign Legions wimps! LOL

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juicerbud says on May 26, 2008, 13:20:

Catgirl, true. But I am still against it and it is still illegal. I have seen what too many real families have gone through, albeit, that is immigrating to the US not Colombia.

Maybe I need a new thread, but I would like to know what is required to drive in Colombia.

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Gator says on May 26, 2008, 13:34:

your valid usa state license

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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juanfer says on May 26, 2008, 13:41:

you are an idiot, just apply for a business visa you lazy fuk !
I bet your a big fat american/german pig who will try marry a beautiful colombian woman who you can exploit and fuk.....

go back to your country and stop exploiting the fact that this country is poor.... Colombia would do better without people like you with such disgusting intentions!

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poker11 says on May 26, 2008, 13:55:

huh, what...why all the haters...

all i'm trying to do is get a government issued ID with my picture on it(legal) as fast as possible. I could care less if the girl is 18, 45, fat or skinny

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OneHappyBoy says on May 26, 2008, 14:59:

POKER!! what you are doing is FRAUD!!!!! IT IS ILLEGAL, even in Colombia!!!! and you are USING People !! What a sociopath!!!! GEEZ!! i smell a troll

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Gator says on May 26, 2008, 16:36:

A bgt troll-no more help from me.

"Credidi pretio parvo emere et magno vendere tibi in animo fuisse!" .

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juicerbud says on May 26, 2008, 19:48:

Gator, Really? Thanks!

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MitchAlvarez says on May 27, 2008, 23:36:

cuanto estan dando por los papeles hoy en dia?

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papiChulo says on May 28, 2008, 00:09:

poker have you thought of going to university to learn spanish? I think you can keep getting a visa as long as you're enrolled.

I'm not greedy I just want a lot.

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aztec says on May 28, 2008, 12:07:

Ryan619 , Movie named Green Card.

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rhydewithdis says on May 28, 2008, 14:31:

Honestly, I would like to get Colombian citizenship if possible. I am a US citizen and would really like it if I could hold citizenship in other countries as well. A European Union citizenship would be pretty cool too.

I guess everyone is up in arms because he wants to marry someone to obtain this...

Maybe someone can suggest other, legal ways to do this?

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slguy says on May 28, 2008, 16:45:

this guy (poker) is obviously up to something more than thinking it's cool to collect ID's...

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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CatGirl says on May 28, 2008, 19:46:

Yeah - and his friend Ryan too. Weird stuff, eh?

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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