Marijuana industry booming in Canada

utopiacowboy says on Mar 11, 2005, 07:21:

Like the Rastas, all I can say is "Legalize It".

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babygirl says on Mar 11, 2005, 07:26:

Well considering last week's activities UC I think I'd have to agree with you to be honest.

cheers - babygirl

Canadian Girls Kick Ass!

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adrimm says on Mar 11, 2005, 08:22:

And this is news on a Colombia forum in what way?

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Sam Salmon says on Mar 11, 2005, 08:22:

Skunk Articles written by the police-or their flunkies-aren't to be taken seriously.The recent murders of 4 policemen by a known homicidal maniac who had 20 plants in his garage is seen by some law enforcement personnel here as an opportunity to criminalise the production of Marijuana-a cheap way to capitalise on a tragedy.So out come the articles on the horror of addiction and soon someone will be braying about Canadians trading 'powerful skunk weed' one to one for kilos of Cocaine in the USA-total pendejada.

In fact the use of Marijuana is widespread and generally accepted throughout Canadian society-I smell it daily walking through the city.
This may change with time and demographics but for the foreseeable future Marijuana-and it's production Indoors and out-is part and parcel of Canadian life.

Most of us have other much more important and pressing concerns to worry about.




' a la orden!'

' a la orden!'

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arturo says on Mar 11, 2005, 08:42:

yes,

i agree with all of you.

i will add that marijuana is definitely the more "responsible" drug: its social costs(medical side-effects, exclusion problems) are the lowest of any other drug, particularly if compared to alcohol abuses.

personnaly i 've smoked the best m. in amsterdam, never find similar quality in colombia, did you?

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babygirl says on Mar 11, 2005, 08:48:

Canadian pot wins over Colombian pot hands down.

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greg says on Mar 11, 2005, 12:52:

Wonder when Plan Canada will start?

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daver says on Mar 11, 2005, 13:13:

Plan Canada It has pretty much started. The USA anti-pot propaganda went into full gear when the Canadian government started to take serious steps to decriminalize and legalize the consumption and possession of pot. They haven't started spraying poison on us from planes yet, so I guess we have more independence than Colombia does from our giant southern neighbour. The USA efforts to stop Canada from completely legalizing weed are basically the only reason why it’s not 100% legal yet.

Most cops here just tell you to smoke where they can't see you anyway. There is also no manditory jail time when getting caught with drugs here, so the judge can actually take a breath and decide if jail time is necessary. Like, some guy with a family, no criminal history, a good job, gets caught with 5 weed plants in his house. In the US, you have to serve time, but in Canada, the judge can keep this guy with his family and give him some sort of probabtion.

Our government noted that 1/3 of all Canadians have smoked pot (admitted to it) at one time or another, and that 4 to 6 million Canadians smoke it on a regular basis (out of a total population of 32+ million). Instead of branding a huge chunk of our population as criminals, they would rather treat the issue as a health problem and not a criminal one.

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it, and teach children about it (so they don't just here the good things from the local pothead when they get to high school, or the bad things from those retarded anti-pot commercials from the US). We should tell the US gov't to F-Off and just go ahead and legalize it. Remember, its just pot. The number one and two killer drug in Canada and the US? 1. Tobacco, 2. Alcohol. Both perfectly legal. Funny eh?

Dave

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ARMacleod says on Mar 12, 2005, 08:08:

Hi Dave. I am not into the pot thing at all, never have I tried it, although I have to say that when on holiday in Canada with my (now ex) wife some time ago I came across many people openly smoking the stuff in many places. (Mississauga)

As to the Cigarettes and alcohol thing, do you realise the upheaval if Canada or any other Country for that matter prohibited the stuff. The tax on the cigarettes alone in UK more than pays for the National Health System or a large part of it. (I seem to remember that USA had a flutter with the prohibition a few years ago)

Such a move nowadays would bring the downfall of any government and in any case they are probably the heaviest consumers of alcohol anyway, you just have to look at the liverish faces in the UK house of Commons to realise this.

No, unfortunately there is a call for these substances and that is the reason why Colombia and others are in the state that they are in now. As long as people have to prop up their lives with inhaleable and digestible crutches it will not change. The producers at the start of the chain have the least return, they take the risk and they are usually the poorest. Coffee, bread, eggs or dope.


"If the state acts in ways abhorrent to human nature, it is the lesser evil to destroy it"

(Baruch Spinoza 1677)

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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daver says on Mar 12, 2005, 11:19:

James I saw many younger people in Medellin openly smoking pot too. The thing with weed is, if you just legalize it, you should take the criminal element away from it. How can you run a dope ring (weed only) when people can just grow it in their homes? Certainly the fact that its against the law has not stopped many from smoking it. But, it has forced the growth and distribution into the hands of criminals.

As far as the hard drugs, yes, it is aweful what it does to both the producers and the end users, and the criminal middle men. In Medellin, I remebered looking at the mansions of the narcos in El Pablado, and then, as we passed the Exito, we saw a family of Indians with swollen bellies who have been displaced from the country side due to the violence. Its hard to imagine that all this can be created by a drug... but it is.

I would never want to legalize pot if I felt it would hurt anybody. But I feel it wouldn't so thats why I think they should legalize it.

I haven't smoked pot since I got serious with my Colombian (now wife) and I don't really miss it.

From your post:
"Coffee, bread, eggs or dope"

Sounds like my decision making process when waking up while I was a university student.... lol

Dave

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 12, 2005, 11:59:

Totally agree with you, Daver. You'd think they would have learned after the great success of Prohibition.

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daver says on Mar 12, 2005, 12:17:

Cowboy,Its like how they Cowboy,

Its like how they tell people its a sin to have sex before marriage. Therefore they turn two lovers into two sinners.

I have a deceased great uncle who made a pile of money when Canada had its prohibition (yes, Canada had one too). He ran booze across Lake Erie, running from the RCMP in his speedboat. Create a law, creat criminals. Makes no sense.

Where do you draw the line though? My gut tells me that legalizing hard drugs is wrong, but pot is OK. THen again, I've never touched hard drugs, so perhaps I'm bias.

Food for thought

Dave

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VanMan says on Mar 14, 2005, 11:03:

decriminalizing pot
I believe they should legalize pot. Have an industry grow out and sell it and reduce the amount of bad pot, mixed pot (people who mix it with other chemicals) reduced. I'd work for a pot company. Imagine the hundreds of millions of money the government would collect in taxes! I don't do it regularly but during University from time to time...and once in awhile now when I get together with friends. Get rid of the criminal side of pot. Then they will only be able to sell hard drugs. Criminals dont' try to sell alcohol/smokes (much) because it is so easily caught. I belive it would reduce the crime that is associated with Pot.

Vive le Canada:)

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Mr. Hollywood says on Mar 14, 2005, 11:33:

I agree Dave I agree about the ineffectiveness of pot prohibition, Dave, but there's one thing you should know about the pot policies in the US: They vary vastly state by state. For example, in California, Oregon or Washington, getting caught with personal use amounts of pot is about like getting a parking ticket. It's an administrative fine. Also, growing for personal use has been largely decriminalized by state "medical marijuana" laws, nobody goes to jail for a couple plants in the backyard. The federal government is still pretty kooky about stopping pot, but really the feds just don't stick there nose in things unless it's really large scale.

This will actually be one of the most interesting litmus tests of "state's rights" that you're going to see played out in the USA over the next 5-10 years.

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daver says on Mar 14, 2005, 11:51:

Hollywood,

I agree with you, I lived and worked in both Kentucky and California for 1 year each (under the TN work VISA). In Kentucky, the cops treated weed like crack (and most counties you can't even buy beer) and in California, so long as you were white, you could smoke pretty freely.

The problem is, although Washington DC may have trouble pushing State governments around, they have no problem pushing Canada around. Since 80% of everything we sell, goes to the US, and Washington can dictate what comes in, they have us by the short and curlies.

Perhaps throw a trade embargo on us (like softwood lumber or Alberta Beef) and suddenly our economy takes a massive hit, and legalizing weed is no longer the top priority.

We certainly don't underestimate the mighty arm of Washington, as I am sure people in Colombia understand.

Daver

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 14, 2005, 11:59:

The Canadians aren't the only ones who resent the "mighty arm" of Washington. Out in the hinterlands, a lot of people resent the federal government telling everyone what to do and how to do it.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Mar 14, 2005, 12:02:

Hadn't thought of that I hadn't looked at it that way but you're probably right, California has more autonomy from the feds than Canada does economically speaking. I've never really thought of Canada as being that under the thumb of the US feds before.

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daver says on Mar 14, 2005, 13:12:

Hollywood,

Perhaps we not quite "under the thumb" like Colombia is. For Canada, its like we are a mouse sleeping in the same bed with a huge elephant. When the elephant moves, the mouse is affected.

Canada has been quite "brave" lately, staying out of Iraq (to which the American Embassy claimed that the US has always been there for Canada... although nobody here remembers Canada starting a war and having the Americans jump on board) and most recently, saying no to the Star Wars programme (or whatever they call it now).

Dave

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VanMan says on Mar 14, 2005, 13:14:

us - cdn relations
Yes, the canadian economy is heavily reliant on u.s. laws and regulations. That is the benefit and consequences of linking our economy almost 1:1 with the u.s.'s. Their influence is tremendous. I believe there are lobbying groups from the u.s. that try to influence the canadian parliament (these groups are not part of the u.s. govt officially). ie: people against gay marriage (you'd figure with all these politicians kids being gay, the politicians would think 'hey maybe there are really gay people in the world') or people against pot. I also believe they should regulate one of the oldest women's occupation: prostitution (Not that I attend their services=) ). How many call girl services are there already in the Toronto/Vancouver area? Legalize it and stop the prostitutes (or many of them) from having to stand on a corner (it makes a neighbourhood look so horrible) and have Johns driving around like the desparate vultures they are. Create red light districts. Anyways I am going on a tangent...

p.s. I'm glad to see the Canadian media in the past 10 years take independence from U.S. media. It's nice to see. Go CBC hahaha.

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daver says on Mar 14, 2005, 13:14:

Cowboy,

I guess that's where the "Don't Mess with Texas" bumber sticker came from?

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daver says on Mar 14, 2005, 13:18:

VanMan,

True independance will never come until we get the Stanley Cup back. Perhaps they should have put the cup in Iraq... we would have definitely got on board for the war then....

Dave

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Mr. Hollywood says on Mar 14, 2005, 14:19:

Just between you and me I've always thought you Canadians were brave, living way up there on top of the globe like that.

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 14, 2005, 14:32:

They're very brave especially with those unreliable beavers.

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VanMan says on Mar 14, 2005, 14:37:

beavers and igloos
What I like to do is stay in my igloo. It protects me from the 5 feet tall Beavers.

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 14, 2005, 15:15:

Do you sneak up on them and nail them with a big stick?

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daver says on Mar 15, 2005, 15:27:

"Do you sneak up on them and nail them with a big stick?"

No. Just a bunch a Vodka and some sweet talking. Then the big stick.

"I've always thought you Canadians were brave, living way up there on top of the globe like that"

Its like being in a quiet loft apartment above a really big party.

(I grew up, in Canada, but was south of Washington, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, most of Wisconsin, Michagan, Vertmont, NH, and all of Maine). About 80% of us live within 100 miles of the border. In fact the US border is due East of me.

Dave

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 15, 2005, 15:44:

I always wanted to live in one of those houses that straddle the border, screwing in Canada and taking a dump in the US etc. I wonder how those people are doing with the new 911 Homeland Security paranoia.

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daver says on Mar 15, 2005, 16:21:

UC,

I remember seeing on the news, a house that the border split right down through their living room.

I remember trying to enter the states once, and getting denied. They took my passport, told me to sit in a room, forbade me to talk, were mean, would not give me my passport back when I told them I wanted to leave, searched all my bags and asked me ridiculous questions. The funny part was, this was in Pearson airport in Toronto.

Bastards! Telling me I can't talk in my own country!

Dave

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 15, 2005, 19:20:

They didn't do a full body search including um, you know where, did they?

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daver says on Mar 28, 2005, 07:26:

No full body search. Cowboy,

That´s why, even when I am mad, I am polite to customs people. Anybody that has the authority to look in my bum gets my best respect. Yes sir, no sir, yes sir, no sir, you bet sir.

Dave

Ps. What do you say if they actually find something inside you? "Ummmm, sir, I have no idea how that got in my......"

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ARMacleod says on Mar 28, 2005, 08:09:

The last few threads make a nonesense of a famous saying by Stuart Keate.

In any worlds menu, Canada must be considered the vichyssoise of nations: it's cold, half-French and difficult to stir?

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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morphus says on Mar 28, 2005, 08:25:

totally off topic.

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daver says on Apr 1, 2005, 07:33:

Sir James I guess the hundreds of thousands of Scots who immigrated to Canada should go back to Scotland for all the warm weather and sunshine! If they get too warn, they can seek shelter under one of the four trees to be found there.

Plus Scotland is 100% English... if you can understand anyone.

Dave

Ps. Canada is 20% French.... so I guess its NOT half bad.

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dwmte says on Apr 1, 2005, 08:32:

years ago...late 80's... i was partying with some colombian friends in poblado and one of the guys asked me if i smoked pot. i told him i certainly had, but it was really rare anymore. (frankly, if i was gonna 'get high', i'd rather just do a line) he told me that he had some of colobias finest, "punto rojo" and he'ld like to turn me on...blah, blah blah, it was the best and strongest in the world, etc etc.

i told him i hadn't smoked this 'punto rojo' but i had damn sure smoked very powerful weed. humbolt in california, maui wowie, etc. that struck no notes...he just kept on...common douglas, smoke with us blah blah.

well to make a long story much shorter, i conceeded to take a hit on his smoke. he passed it to me, and had the i don't know what to say, you better sit down...what? i thought to myself...gimme a break

anyway. there i was, theoritically smoking colombias finest with some of colombias richest and most spoiled, and after taking a nice deep toke, holding it in a nice long time, and easily and slowly letting it out, i said, 'yep, that's pot, but it aint even like some of the pot i've smoked...no offence, it's just that the gringos just do gene research on the plant and change it completely. that fell on deaf ears.

the moral of the story as per the above poster. no, aint nothing like the 'world-strain' out of amsterdam. nice pot, but definitely not killer weed. period.

dw

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