Lucky for him he does not live in Colombia

Aaron21 says on Mar 21, 2008, 22:48:

Not to mention the fact that he has nothing to protest in Colombia.

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robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 22:56:

Vladimiro, do you think that back in the Castano's holy days Piedad Cordoba could still be alive?
So... yes, what's happening now to the organizers of anti-government protests in Colombia?

Are you talking about the March 6 march? I did not know it was an anti governative march. I thought it was against violence.
Are the organizers getting murdered? How many were the organizers and please bring on evidence.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Aaron21 says on Mar 21, 2008, 22:57:

In two to four months...

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robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 23:01:

Two to four months? Yeah, paracos got weak lately...
She's looking for it so strongly...

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Aaron21 says on Mar 21, 2008, 23:04:

Whoops.. sorry, I was answering Rubito's question....

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robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 23:06:

It worked for either, anyway... ;)

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miamimike says on Mar 22, 2008, 01:29:

Thank God they aren't Tibetians facing down the Chinese Military! Hey, where's our Leader GW Bush on expressing his Outrage on the Trampling of the Human Rights of the Tibetian Monks? Any other place he's the first one to Pop off; where is his Outrage against China?

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 22, 2008, 01:47:

Goicoechea.
Kat, what do you think?

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 22, 2008, 01:49:

Did China make GWB's daddy look like a idio ?

Does China got the Oil Iraq and Venezuela do ?

Then China has nothing to worry about , as GWB has nothing to avenge or gain.

I think it was Nancy Pelosi , that said GWB should have spoke weeks ago for the monks.

They could hang the Dalai Lama tomorrow and GWB would not say a word.

GWB would be clapping if they made it a Olympic event.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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juancegomez says on Mar 22, 2008, 09:27:

vladimiro: Those were not "the" organizers of the protests, on a national scale, but people who participated in the local promotion and organization of the same. Not a huge moral difference, but it does deserve to be mentioned in practice.

Also, it's indeed true that such protests -and the people who tend to participate in their organization by the very nature of their own work- often place their lives in a very dangerous position here in Colombia.

But, those threats and the barbarity of any resulting murders aside, we cannot pretend that *all* organizers or opposition politicians are suffering from murders or that it is impossible to protest or criticize, despite the risks involved.

People can and do manage to protest here while, tragically enough, a fraction of them do end up paying for it with their lives or safety. Both of them are sides of the same coin, even if one is absolutely shameful.

So how "lucky" this person would be in Colombia remains, outside of rhetorics, hard to tell.

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Lcacique says on Mar 22, 2008, 11:36:

Let me just say that you do not have to kill them all to be effective. Killing them all might bring international pressure to curb such atrocities; however, knocking them off here and there is enough to get people to think twice about speaking out or getting involved.

Things have gotten better in Colombia, but it still has a long way to go in terms of protecting its citizens from politically motivated crimes.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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juancegomez says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:00:

Lcacique: It's not necessary to kill them all in order to increase fear and make opposition less likely to speak out, you have a point there...but that's far from painting a picture that makes criticism and protest seem impossible or leading automatically to mass death.

That doesn't mean it's completely and absolutely safe, unfortunately, but that hellish picture is not real either. There's a difference there.

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Lcacique says on Mar 22, 2008, 12:34:

juance: I totally agree. Like I said things are much better.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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Lcacique says on Mar 22, 2008, 22:07:

Expand on that Rubito...

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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ellbee2 says on Mar 23, 2008, 08:11:

Rubito says.."They're hanging out with gold-diggers and/or paying for sex".... Your making an assumption that all people that visit/live in Colombia are there for some sort of hedonistic lifestyle or that it is an unavoidable circumstance. People have different experiences in any country depending on what company the CHOOSE to keep. It's obvious you are drawing your opinions from personal experience and no matter where YOU go in this world YOU will CHOOSE to see something quite different than most of us.

"You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra

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RAAAY says on Mar 23, 2008, 08:29:

Ellbee......." (Rubito) Your making an assumption that all people that visit/live in Colombia are there for some sort of hedonistic lifestyle "

Ell........You obviously did'nt read very well............what a weird conclusion to arrive at. That is not what he said.


.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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goin_south says on Mar 23, 2008, 08:44:

Blame it on Rio.
Was that a movie?

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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vladimiro says on Mar 23, 2008, 10:00:

Exacting yardstick? There are millions of refugees in Colombia. What do you think causes millions of people to abandon their land and homes? I'll give you a hint. Look at other countries that have a comparable number of refugees.

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Lcacique says on Mar 23, 2008, 10:43:

Rubito: I thought the discussion was focused more on paras and the right to oppose the government...the points you make about prostitution, etc. existing all over are correct.

ellbee2: Colombia has never been a big tourist destination for most people (though this is changing); however, it has been a hot spot for a certain type of person looking for sex, wives, and drugs. That is simply a fact. That doesn't mean that people, many people, didn't and don't travel there for other reasons. That does not mean that it permeates all of Colombia and that every tourist will be sucked into its lure. Nor does it mean that other countries don't have a similar draw for such activities. In my opinion, rubito was simply stating that some people for one reason or another travel to Colombia, experience this lifestyle, believe that it is more prevalent in Colombia, ignoring the fact that all of these things exist back home. He never said that everyone going to Colombia is taking part in such activities. And I am positive that he would argue that the grand majority of Colombians are good, honest people who have nothing to do with this part of society.

vladimiro: Colombia is number 2 behind the Sudan for internal displacement, I would hope that people on a Colombia forum would have an idea of the causes of such a tragedy.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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robi666 says on Mar 24, 2008, 02:15:

"The fact is that the majority of the posters on PBH ARE there for the pussy first and foremost. I can spot most of them a mile away because I also hang out on ISG and I see MANY of the same posters, just with different nicks. "

Wow... I am shocked! What about RAAAY, which is his name on ISG?

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vladimiro says on Mar 24, 2008, 07:31:

Both Sudan and Colombia have powerful warlords with great influence over much of the country and share the conditions which create warlords in a country

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Lcacique says on Mar 24, 2008, 10:27:

Displacement in Colombia happens for a variety of reasons: violence as a result of the internal conflict (which is considered a civil war by many scholars) between terrorists (FARC, AUC, etc.) as well as the military, fumigations of coca and poppy which also destroy licit crops, extreme poverty and lack of opportunity in rural Colombia, drug trafficking, and forced removal to gain access to resources, to mention a few.

I do not know enough about the Sudanese situation outside of the fact that is classified as a civil war and that outside of ethnic cleansing, displacement has also resulted from groups trying to gain access to resources.

Hoy se nota en la floresta un ambiente de alegría. ¡Y el rumor de ranchería es mas dulce y sabe a fiesta!

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vladimiro says on Mar 24, 2008, 17:02:

uh, none of those other countries have warlords dominating large parts of the country, attacking towns with large militias, and displacing tens of thousands of people while fighting over local resources. Which is why non of those other countries have millions of refugees. Colombia on the other hand is in a situation in which warlord militias rule the roost until the day that one or other of them, or perhaps in combination with the government, can obtain enough strength to create the beginnings of a new order.

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