Literary Realism

kalder says on Apr 4, 2008, 01:58:

As an aside, I am totally disinterested in Modernism. 'Ulysses' may be an interesting exercise in coining neologisms. But as a bedtime read it's utter shit.

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de pronto says on Apr 4, 2008, 06:17:

LOL Kalder "'Ulysses' may be an interesting exercise in coining neologisms. But as a bedtime read it's utter shit." My literature professors wouldn't like to hear so.

=)

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 06:35:

Kalder,

http://home.earthlink.net/~cafe.tinto/culture_literature.htm

-The top section of this page lists some books I've enjoyed (except for "The Storyteller" by Vargas Llosa) by Latin American authors.

-Garcia Marquez has a fair number to choose from that AREN'T about flying grandmothers.

-On my "to read" list are additonal works by Octavio Paz, Luis Borges and Carlos Fuentes

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kalder says on Apr 4, 2008, 06:40:

de pronto- I can well imagine. I expect Lit. Profs the worldover have made a fetish of that moribund goobledegook.

Tinto- Top link. Much obliged to you sir! Where have you been, btw?

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de pronto says on Apr 4, 2008, 07:04:

Kalder no more Gabo for you then, maybe you should try Alberto Fuguet with his McOndo =)

Here are my choices regarding realism (colombian authors)

Jose Manuel Marroquin: "El Moro", "Blas Gil", "entre Primos", "amores y leyes"

tomas Carrasquilla: La marquesa de Yolombo

Don´t know if there are translations of these novels

I definately consider Borges as an author free of "latinamericanisms", good tales without talking about latinoamerica. But I don't know if I would consider his works as realism.

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de pronto says on Apr 4, 2008, 07:08:

To be honest I don't like either "Ulysses".

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 4, 2008, 07:10:

Kalder - I fell into a remote, snow-filled ravine in January. When the snow finally melted in April, I was rescued. And not a moment too soon. I had to eat both legs and my left arm to survive.





(Actually, I just wanted to take a break from PBH for a while. Too many trolls and too many ugly, pointless arguments)

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kalder says on Apr 4, 2008, 07:13:

Thanks for that de pronto.

Nice to see you back Tinto.

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bill230 says on Apr 4, 2008, 07:16:

Kalder: I think you might like "The Vortex" (La voragine) by Colombian writer Jose Eustasio Rivera. It is set in eastern/southern Colombia in the early 20th century (written in 1924). An English version is published by Panamericana Editorial Ltd 2001.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 4, 2008, 07:33:

There is a difference between magical and marvillous realism, but Gabo is not a good fit.

If Sin Tetas is too lowbrow, and German Castro Caycedo too real, I'd have to agree with De Pronto.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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kalder says on Apr 4, 2008, 15:04:

Thanks for the tip bill. I'll look that up.

Hey hey ManT. 'Sin Tetas' was the telenovella for me! Glued to the screen I was.

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Simon says on Apr 4, 2008, 16:04:

I recommend Jorge Franco's books..

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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kalder says on Apr 5, 2008, 02:39:

I'll google that.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 5, 2008, 11:22:

Sin Tetas wasn't a bad book (obviously melodramatic, and too low-brow to be a classic, but the book was better than the telenovela). I went to the Cartagena Book Fair last year, though, and both Sin Tetas and anything by Gabo were very conspicuous for their absence. '

Probably for the same reason Eastenders:The Novel is not considered on the same level as Evelyn Waugh. Gabo was not there due to reasons of jealousy and the desire to shed light on other worthy but less well known Colombian authors.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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de pronto says on Apr 5, 2008, 11:26:

Man Tequila said: "Gabo was not there due to reasons of jealousy and the desire to shed light on other worthy but less well known Colombian authors."

Wow I thought Gabo was part of a "corte celestial de autores como para pensar eso y sentir celos!" do you really believe that Man Tequila? Interesting! Everybody seem to think that Gabo is a cool and relaxed guy!

Oh by the way I liked Sin Tetas (the novel of course) sad sad sad sad

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Man Tequila says on Apr 5, 2008, 11:30:

Colombians like Gabo, though some disagree with his politics.

This is my interpretation, they had hundreds of Colombian authors at dozens of stalls, but no Gabo or Moreno. Maybe Gabo is so big he is represented by a larger publishing house not at the show. But I think my interpretation is more likely, surely everyone who would go to a Book Fair in Colombia already knows about Gabo.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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de pronto says on Apr 5, 2008, 11:35:

Definately, Man Tequila, interesting that opinion of yours...

I think it is time to open the door to other colombian authors with a new wave of literature, young people. Gabo will always be a classic but I wonder the way in which colombians study Gabo's work... Capitan Centella and I were going to discuss about it but we did not have time to do it when I was in Bogota.

Because Gabo is well-known in Colombia (of course) but what could be the colombian perception towards his works?

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