Lima or Bogota ?

ujay says on Nov 17, 2008, 06:22:

Lima ,im in Bogotá and it sucks.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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elturko says on Nov 17, 2008, 06:49:

why do u think it sucks ? is it so bad ?

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ujay says on Nov 17, 2008, 06:50:

MAY BE TOO MANY COLOMBIANS.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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elturko says on Nov 17, 2008, 06:55:

Lima seems to me a livelier place , more dynamic , in every sense...Now there is more capital flowing to this city , I think restaunts are more chic and richer in menu...Whereas
Bogota has a nice lansdcape , if it still remains unraped by colombians :))

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twmcm says on Nov 17, 2008, 07:36:

This is an internal debate I face almost every time I'm at the airport . . . which way do I go? Lima or Bogota?

Lima is easy and comfortable while Bogota is complicated and frustrating.

The weather is far better in Lima. You can drive to nice beaches near Lima.

Food is better in Lima.

Shopping is easier in Lima.

Bogota has more hot women but there are also gorgeous women in Lima. The difference is you need social status to enjoy them in Lima while you need only the appearance of wealth to get them in Bogota.

Lima is open for business while Bogota is one big "CLOSED" sign.

It is simple and easy to open and fund bank accounts and create a functional company in Peru. Not so easy in Colombia.

Visas are much simpler and more accessible in Peru whilst Colombian visas are generally a pain in the ass.

Throughout my dealings, I find Peruvians to be more trustworthy than Colombians.

The Lima property boom is at the end. There is an oversupply already. This means short-term capital gain is unlikely. There are many other great Peruvian options like participating in other markets, not just property. For example, I have a deal with Scotiabank Peru where I underwrite loans to their customers. The bank does the work and I simply approve or deny based on the due diligence package for each loan.

In the end, when 2008 is over, I will have spent over six months in Bogota and just two months in Lima. Perhaps I am a masochist.

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elturko says on Nov 17, 2008, 07:56:

Twmcm, thanks for this great comments. I appreciated a lot .

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ozgringo says on Nov 17, 2008, 08:36:

I was in Lima a few weeks ago and it was damn cold, but apparently rarely rains unlike bogota.. Both way too cold for me.. give me Medellin anyday.

tried to think of something deep to write here.. but couldn't think of anything..

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turnmeon says on Nov 17, 2008, 08:55:

elturko have you ever been to la costa? turkos love la costa, there is a big arab colony in the colombian northern coast(i take it you are a arab because of your nickname)

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njc (Dev team) says on Nov 17, 2008, 09:48:

To me, it has seemed like the people of Lima are eager to cover up their own culture to cater to the "foreigner". For this reason, like has been said, there are "chic" restaurants and such. I never once had this impression of Bogota, it is real and raw. If you'd like something that resembles "back home" right now, then Lima is probably for you. Though you won't stick out as a foreigner in Lima so much as in Bogota, I found that in Lima, people would treat me differently than I'd expect them to treat a local. People in Bogota seem to treat you as an equal so long as you make your best effort to communicate with them, don't be a pompous foreigner, and don't flaunt.

I think the problem here is that Colombia has a charm that can't be captured in a strict "pros/cons" comparison of two places. You'd have to go there, spend a little time, and make the decision for yourself.

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el_scouser says on Nov 17, 2008, 09:57:

LIMA hands down, great city, beautiful neighbourhoods (Barranco, Miraflores et al), great restaurants, great nightlife, cheap property, beaches, cheap flights within the country to visit amazing places like Cusco, Iquitos, Puno etc. LIMA IS SUPERB.

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elturko says on Nov 17, 2008, 10:23:

Turnmeon , I m from Turkey, Istanbul , I know there is a lebanese community in the north. But can someone tell with what they get by ?

Lima seems to me more family oriented, more organised...More expats and international deal etc...More ethnic due to the big chinese and japanese existence...Peruvian culture is deeper i think , its a thousand years of a mixture , a dignity that takes your soul away ...

But Bogota may be better for its landscape , nature ...

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BillBigD says on Nov 17, 2008, 13:32:

Lima- much better food, close beaches and people are great. No BS renting apartments. Things are cheaper in Lima.
Betterlooking women in Bogota. IMO

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tabla says on Nov 17, 2008, 15:37:

I'd be careful buying property in Lima. Most probably set for a fall. Those construction projects will complete, but may not sell so well. New projects may get shelved. This is a global crisis, and nowhere is immune -- in the end. Tell us more about why you want to buy. Will you live there? If you're speculating, why not buy where the prices have already dived. That's what I did today. Made an offer for a piece of land. It was for sale for 7 times my offer a year ago. Fingers crossed! Will know tomorrow if accepted.

I also write for the archive.

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el_scouser says on Nov 17, 2008, 16:17:

Personally I would buy in Buenos Aires, you can get a decent studio apartment or mini loft for 40,000 dollars if you look hard enough and rent out without problems for 600 dollars per month.

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2008, 21:41:

yep! keeewllll fotos, codyintl!

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TobyBoy says on Nov 17, 2008, 21:41:

How can anyone even compasre the two cities?

Bogota is FAR more sophisticated and cultured, with an OLDER culture (-BOTH: pre-Columbian & post Colonial), In Lima they did not even respect their old Opera house as they destroyed it, whereas look at the Teatro Colon today and the plethora of some the finest(and largest) libraries in the world -so accessibel in Bogota.

Bogota is cleaner and safer by FAR!

Bogota is home to the oldest cosntitutional democracy in Latin America (second oldest in the modern world after the USA). Peru has a sanguine history that is worst that the Colombian civil strife of the past 40 plus years. Read how belligerent the Incas where. compared to the Chibchas. similalrly, one of Peru's many ditactors dared to attack Colombia (and thank goodness, Colombia, with the help of it's state-of-the-art airforce drove the Peruvian invadors back out of Leticia).

Now with regards fo the economy, only fools would invest in a country such as Peru that has had several economic collapes (which Colombia has NEVER had), and whihc is only one election away from electing another Evo or Hugo Chaves type.

Thank you for the question, but I will stay home in prosperous, more affluant, progressive and safer Bogota, Colombia, land of poets and all things beautiful.

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TobyBoy says on Nov 17, 2008, 21:42:

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2008, 22:36:

Hey, cody.... do you think .... that... perhaps.... las peruanas are not quite of the same intensity in so many things, like... .jealousy, as we hear on the internet and from friends about las colombianas,..... and maybe overall, in a swwwweeeeping generalization,... they are a little more calm, in demeanor?

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2008, 22:42:

do you mean, that you agree in the positive, with what I asked?

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2008, 22:43:

Different Q: argentina? intensely jealous? or, more calm demeanor?

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2008, 22:51:

you didn't answer my Q's.
But, your retort is certainly going to get caught in the jaws of some folks here, tomorrow, I think ;-)

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TobyBoy says on Nov 17, 2008, 23:00:

Ha?

Codyintl:

“Peru may have a sketchy history (who cares),”” …well guess what, many people care, not only historians and people that enjoy being educated, but especially those who lost their children fighting the Peruvian invaders, just like many care about the aggressions of Germany in the 20th century. Do oyu even know how many wars Peru has started?

…Colombia NONE!

I really do not understand your allegations, but hey, you are free to think whatever you want. You keep chasing me in these posts with your constant anti-Colombia gobbledygook.

While I am certain that I have probably spent more time living in and comparing Bogota to Lima (and other cities), you are sure not going to convince me or even other Bogota haters like yourself that Lima has anywhere near the amount of cultural venues or historic dynamism.

SOME foreign banks have held back investing in Colombia because Colombia has the most respectable banking system in the region, which due-to because of their tough regulations, have actually protected the Colombian economy as the ONLY one to have never had a significant currency devaluation, etc.

There is NO civil war in Colombia! There is a horrid civil conflict instigated by mostly criminals for over 40 years! …have you any idea what happens to a nation that is REALLY in a state of civil war? Read-up on 1936 Spain if you have not.

I did not attack the architectural patrimony of Lima (of which I am obviously more familiar than you), rather criticizing their long neglect of their beautiful colonial structures which only in recent years have caught the investor’s eyes for renovation. Colombia has its UNESCO –blessed patrimony too; all of old Cartagena (much larger than old Lima).

Many beautiful buildings were destroyed in the Bogotaso of 1948, but Colombia’s democratic integrity was not. A claim that no Peruvian can ever make.

How can you even compare Colombian Cuisine to Peruvian? …granted it is very good in Peru, but have you any idea how much more diverse and sophisticated food preparation (not to mention restaurants in Bogota) can be? Besides the more varied topography that Colombia richer bio-diversity offers to Bogota, Bogota can also obtain seafood from two oceans.

I compare dining in Bogota to Paris, Barcelona or Lyon, seldom to Lima. …but that is just my taste.

Gosh, I often wonder if it is even worth my time here on PBH. I think PBH should branch out and give all of you Colombia haters a blog. And leave those of us with common sense love for Colombian and a stand-alone set of threads, in order to help those people who truly want to learn about Colombia.

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La_Huella says on Nov 17, 2008, 23:00:

The sad truth is Bogota has in fact destroyed a lot of its historic spaces. But there are plenty of gorgeous old neighborhoods left. Check out La Soledad. I was originally thinking of living there but decided a brand new condo where everything just works would be real nice. I doubt Lima modernized without tearing down a bunch of beautiful old buildings either.

Lima by most accounts I have read is dirtier, more working class and more dangerous on the streets but does have better cuisine and is extremely easy on the wallet. Both cities have polluted air and bad traffic and are hard to get around. Neither city is what you'd call a warm climate. It will always be Bogota for me because of the music scene, hands down. Lima is a great stop on a tour, but would suck to live as an artist IMO.

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2008, 23:07:

"because Colombia has the most respectable banking system in the region".... which may not be saying a whole lot, from the things I've heard here on pbh AND SOME EXPERIENCES that some colombian people that I know well, have related to me.

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goin_south says on Nov 17, 2008, 23:09:

"Do oyu even know how many wars (Colombia) has started?"
Yeah; they started one, that is still going strong 40 years later.

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TobyBoy says on Nov 17, 2008, 23:17:

GoingSotuh:

- No they did not, a bunch of wanna-be leftists who did not even understand real socialism started a CONFLICT, NOT a civil war. Now there are jsut a bunch of murdering narcothugs (from left & right) which MOST Colombians do NOT support.

Oh, and reagrding banking; the complainers might be better served in the money-laundering banks of Panama.

Doesn't anyone ever wonder why there have always been far more foreign corporations operaitng in Bogota than in Lima?

This is getting too absurd now..

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TobyBoy says on Nov 17, 2008, 23:24:

Hey, go invest in Peruvian Banks, and I will keep my investments in Colombian banks, and let's get together again in 4 years or so.

...you may one day find out why Bogota has FAR more banks than Lima.

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TobyBoy says on Nov 17, 2008, 23:34:

..please, go for it!

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La_Huella says on Nov 17, 2008, 23:44:

Toby is right about that.... Colombia is the only south american nation that has never suffered from hyperinflation, meaning 3 or even 4 digit inflation, like Brazil and Venezuela, and to an extent Argentina.

Colombia's banking system is not the greatest, and I myself don't have a bank account, but it is better than its neighboring countries. Canada which I otherwise hate, has a good banking system, but Podborski tells me there is stuff I don't know that would blow my mind, and he's more of an expert than me. I really don't trust ANY banks, no matter of nationality. They are a necessary evil as far as I can see.

As far as Colombia's democratic instutitions, when you consider the history of civil unrest they have had it's IMPRESSIVE that they have never suspended habeas corpus. Neither the US nor Canada can say that.

Cody, I really think I need to school you about Bogota's restaurants. I think you are missing out somehow. There are lots of great restaurants here.

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goin_south says on Nov 18, 2008, 00:08:

That's right; your money could be electronically extorted from a colombian bank, and the authorities could care less. I know someone, it happened to.

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elturko says on Nov 18, 2008, 01:34:

Bogota could be a nice place , because its very green , Lima has the ocean though its on a desert...What are the so many expats in Bogota doing actually ? I mean are there that much job opportunitites even for foreigners....?

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PBHjon says on Nov 18, 2008, 05:24:

tobyboy when you imply that bogota has more ancient and colonial history than lima, i think we both know thats wrong. for ancient history at least, peru wipes colombia off the map, then wipes colombia onto the floor, and then sits on colombia.

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PBHjon says on Nov 18, 2008, 05:26:

Also, your comments on the superiority of colombian cuisine are shared by 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% of the travellers that I have talked to, from many different socioeconomic levels. I'm sure Bogota does have some terrific high-end restaurants, but not everyone has the cash to pay $70-$200 per meal. For those of us that want to pay $1-$20, with an occasional meal in the $20-$40 range, Peru is FAR better value and quality.

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elturko says on Nov 18, 2008, 05:35:

Yes , i think its true ...coz the son of bitch pizarro and its bastard men invaded peru first, ruining all the handsome Inca buildings to put together their foking colony...This history always makes me sad , and bear a simpathy for the Amerindians of the whole continent....

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TobyBoy says on Nov 18, 2008, 07:11:

PBHJon,

You obviously have no idea how old the Muisca, Chibchan and many other pre-Columbian Colombian cultures are.

Did you know that in Bogota there was an ancient civilization that was in its final days living in Bacata -that would one day turn into Bogota?

Please believe me (as I have other more important things to do today); the migration of indigenous people move southward from North-America into Colombia to finally populate points near Patagonia. People did NOT start living in Peru before they did in Colombia.

I am surprised you failed to see that simple FACT (-and even though the Incas have received more notoriety of late, does not negate the age of other cultures in the region).

I can’t even believe how some other posters think that the Spaniards landed in Peru first! …don’t any of you know that Columbus landed in Colombia (-or what used to be Colombian; Panama …hello –why do you think the country is called COLOMbia?)

Now with regards to travelers and cuisine experience, I have had a different experience with my international friends. You see, if you travel throughout Peru, I mean really travel, you will be hard-pressed to find much more than potatoes to eat, or even Spanish speakers to speak with. I dare you to go to the slums of Lima, and then to the slums of Bogota, and then we can have a conversation about how good the food and water are in those two cities.

...and please try not to be so pendantic next time, it really cheapens your arguments, especially whe you are so wrong.

So long!

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billyb says on Nov 18, 2008, 07:13:

I'll give you peruvian cusine beats Colombian hands down, but is the picture of the peruvian girl on the board supposed to impress? Come on, my mom's maid was hotter than that. And when it comes to culture, Colombia kicks its but, Peru hasn't developed any cultural patrimony worth speaking of since the incas.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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PBHjon says on Nov 18, 2008, 07:55:

billyb, there are some EXTREMELY attractive women in Peru, believe me. I have spent absolutely no time with them, but I have noticed they are there. Don't judge the peruanas based on mediocre photos. That said, Colombia has as a percentage, a higher number of attractive women. Especially in the major cities like Medellin and Bogota.

TobyBoy I can't be sure but I would imagine I have travelled FAR more extensively within Peru than you. And based on my experience, there are a wide variety of regional cuisines in each of the three primary areas (coast, jungle and sierra), that bring a depth and variety to the peruvian cuisine that you just don't find in Colombia. Noone agrees with you about the supposed superiority of colombian cuisine, your opinion is certainly as valid as anyone else's, but when EVERY traveller thinks you are wrong, its time to face the facts. Its quite possible that the ghettos of Bogota have much better food than the ghettos of Lima, but why is this relevant from a culinary perspective? I suspect the people living in the ghettos in bogota aren't nearly as poor as the ghettans of Lima.

I'm not sure why you seem to be bragging about the fact that the Spanish landed first at Colombia, this seems something to be ashamed of in fact. The spanish contribution to the south american continent is primarily that of unimaginable death and destruction. Whatever advances they brought in terms of engineering knowledge or city planning seems to be slightly overshadowed by their relentless genociding.

I haven't studied the Muisica, Chibchan, etc cultures. I have no reason to doubt what you are saying: I imagine they are very old indeed. However, when people talk about visiting a place for the ancient culture, it's not a pissing contest about whose cultures are older. If the mere age were that important, everyone would go to Olduvai Gorge in Africa which is often described as the birthplace of humanity. Noone goes there, theres nothing to see. Peru has far more than colombia to offer in terms of archaelogy, ruins, ancient buildings, and preserved culture and customs that persist to the modern era.

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feldz0084 says on Nov 18, 2008, 08:16:

First let me preface this comment by saying Bogota will always be a second home for me, I have a lot of close friends there and I really like the city. I have only been in the Lima airport, but hope I can go to the city at a later point to form my own impressions. But, one thing I would criticize Bogota for is poor infrastructure. In comparison to say some of the major cities in Brazil- no contest. Yes, there are reallllly nice areas, but on the whole, the city infrastructure is not good at all. After one of the earthquakes this summer, I was staying with my friends' grandmother and the building had MAJOR fricking cracking all over it that nobody seemed to give a crap about...it was actually some pretty discomforting chit. The thing was all the buildings in the neighborhood showed similar damage. Can anyone comment on Lima's general infrastructure. Secondly, I'm not sure if someone was comparing Spanish and Colombian culinary prowess. But, Spanish cuisine right now is by and large considered the best food in the world and has some of most progressive kitchens ever seen....although Colombia seems to really be coming into its own right. Anybody see the article on food from Carta in the NY times?? I personally love to eat in Colombia.

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Brody says on Nov 18, 2008, 08:51:

This is so random to me since I am in Lima now and have been living in Bogota for the past few months....

Personally I think both of these cities are fantastic, but which you like more will depend on your personality. If you are looking to make a buck, I would probably go with Lima, the large amount of tourists here has definitely contributed to making this a modern and trendy city. I am staying in Miraflores, and you would swear they filmed Sex and the City episodes here. But you can get that in a million cities. Bogota is still relatively untouched by global commerce by comparison. Looking at the way tourism numbers are rocketing up in Colombia, I would say Bogota is a good bet, but have heard miserable things from gringos do business there and getting an endless runaround. I hope you are a patient man if you set up to invest in Bogota. Bogota is more likely to be full of surprises, both good and bad, than Lima.

All that being said, Lima has better food, Bogota has hotter women, both cities have some pretty lousy neighborhoods, and both have lots of smart, artsy people as well, and both have good rumbas. Having the beach around in Lima is a nice touch. Bogota has a crazy energy to it and seems to move at a more hectic pace.

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 18, 2008, 12:04:

I think the girl on the surfboard is very attractive. And she has good teeth even! (sorry, couldn't resist)

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 18, 2008, 12:16:

Good point Cody.

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goin_south says on Nov 18, 2008, 12:44:

CARRAMBA! Continental, Houston para Lima for Thanksgiving: hoy! $646. tempting.

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La_Huella says on Nov 18, 2008, 15:59:

I can't call any of those Peruvian women beautiful, not by my standards. To me the average woman in Bogota looks better, but hey, beauty is super subjective. :P

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billyb says on Nov 18, 2008, 19:32:

The best one in that bunch was maybe a six, and that's just 'cause i'm feeling generous.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Nov 18, 2008, 19:44:

Cody, I would, but don't want anybody self gratifying themselves over my picture ('cept a couple of the ladies), but hey, don't take it personally, I didn't say I wouldn't do a couple of them, just not drooling over them like you.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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feldz0084 says on Nov 18, 2008, 20:21:

im not drooling over them either and there are definitely some fugly ducks mixed in there, but to say the best in the bunch was mayb a 6....mannnn that is stretching it juuust a shade.

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billyb says on Nov 18, 2008, 20:25:

Ok, maybe it is stretching a little bit, i'll bump the pick of the litter up to a seven ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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feldz0084 says on Nov 18, 2008, 20:47:

7 or not the girl on the bottom in the red get-up would get the business heheh

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La_Huella says on Nov 18, 2008, 21:30:

HAH, no way in hell I'm putting up any pics of girls I know here. They'd rip me a new asshole if I did that, and rightly so!

Anyways, my standards aren't high, not by my Colombian friends' standards anyways. Those are some picky motherfuckers.

I still think it's ridiculous you have to pay 60k for a hotel room in Chapinero where you can pay 30k in the whiskeria and get the condom thrown in for free. I won't be choosing the former option very much, unless a friend has already slept with the girl and ASSURES me her performance in bed is worth it.

Actually some of the 30-50k whiskerias have better looking girls than the ones you put up, just being honest.

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PBHjon says on Nov 18, 2008, 21:37:

according to my knowledge of the spanish language, a whiskeria is where you buy whiskers.

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goin_south says on Nov 18, 2008, 22:10:

Same flight, now about 8 hours later: $711.00

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goin_south says on Nov 18, 2008, 22:17:

billyb,... stop being 2-faced; you know you'd do every girl in every foto, three times, if given the chance ;-))

I looked back and I think I found an eight.

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goin_south says on Nov 18, 2008, 22:18:

It may take you 7 days, to do 'em all once, but ... as far as I know... you got de time

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goin_south says on Nov 18, 2008, 22:19:

okay, cody... maybe 8.5

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goin_south says on Nov 18, 2008, 22:29:

you're right. cody. there are some ABSOLUTE KNOCK-OUT PERUANAS, that I have seen. But, they are not listed above, and I would hesitate to put up their fotos...... because the photos are not mine.

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 18, 2008, 22:32:

lima or bogota? ninguno........los dos son feos y frios.

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billyb says on Nov 19, 2008, 06:52:

GS, I didn't say I woudln't do most of them the favor, just not going to put up their poster in my room like our friend the codster :) BTW cody, I agree, Bogs is nuttin' compared to Cali in hot betty dept.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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paisa29 says on Nov 19, 2008, 09:09:

What about the bricheras?

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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La_Huella says on Nov 19, 2008, 09:12:

You know I have to say, I haven't run into any of the horrible bureaucracy or long lines people claim to find over here. Most of the official stuff has been very smooth sailing, the only thing complicated here was my marriage and that's because I was born in a third country, both of us were divorced and we both had minor children. That would have been complicated anywhere on earth!

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RJQuilla says on Nov 19, 2008, 19:55:

Well I just left BOG and have never really been impressed by it. Just a large city IMO. The climate is my major problem with it. I like warm sun shine days and the cold rain makes me not want to get out. Might have to try Lima in peak season.

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goin_south says on Nov 19, 2008, 22:24:

1)... what is 'bricheras'? en el ingles?
2)... Is La_Huella 'all that bad'?... I've seen attacks here, on her/him. He/She seems to make some good contributions and comments.
3)....yeah, Cali has it's reputation, along with It's ladies, but... I know some Rolas and some gringos con Rolas that are about as fine of people as you'd ever want to meet.... and, Hot/Great Appearing, too! (Even some of them are posters here!) Not referring to webmanco. lol

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paisa29 says on Nov 20, 2008, 05:50:

GS... bricheras comes from bridge.. girls looking for their ticket out ... they are very easy
to find in Lima and Cusco especially.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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TobyBoy says on Nov 20, 2008, 07:20:

OK, here you go, for any of you who think Bogota is "closed for business," and forget that Bogota has ALWAYS been a more advanced and thrivingcity than Lima and others (-from today's El Tiempo http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/bogota/bogota-asciente-en-el-escalafo...):

Bogotá asciente en el escalafón de las ciudades de Latinoamérica con mejor clima para negocios

Foto: Archivo / EL TIEMPO

Después de Curitiba y Ciudad de Panamá, Bogotá es la ciudad con mayor infraestructura disponible para eventos y ferias comerciales.

Tres razones han llevado a que la capital suba del puesto 11 en el 2007 al octavo en el 2008 en esta clasificación.


La primera, el buen nombre ganado en el exterior; la segunda, las mejoras registradas en seguridad, y la tercera, presenta el mayor nivel de emprendimiento de la región.

Esa es la explicación que encuentra Rodrigo Díaz, director de investigaciones de América Economía Intelligence, firma que acaba de presentar, junto con la Cámara de Comercio de Bogotá, el escalafón anual de los destinos más competitivos de la región.

Según el estudio, que evalúa a 42 ciudades de América Latina, Bogotá es una de las que más avances presentan en buen ambiente para los negocios y este año, por primera vez, llegó al grupo de los 10 destinos más atractivos para los inversionistas.

La superan Sao Paulo, Miami, Santiago de Chile, Ciudad de México, Buenos Aires, Monterrey y Río de Janeiro.

En la región andina, la capital colombiana está por encima de Lima, Caracas, Quito y La Paz.

En el escalafón de América Economía Intelligence, Medellín está en el puesto 22 (el año pasado estuvo en el 25) y Cali se ubica en la posición 36 (cayó tres posiciones este año).

"En cuanto a destinos de negocios en el Cono Sur del continente, todo el mundo habla de Bogotá y de Lima como las ciudades de moda", resume Díaz.

Sin embargo, no todo son elogios para la ciudad. Cuatro retos le impiden aún meterse en el listado de las cinco más competitivas de la región:

"Mejorar el buen clima para hacer negocios, que nuestras empresas salgan a vender sus productos y servicios al mundo, generar valor agregado y salir a vender nuestra ciudad", explica María Fernanda Campo, presidenta de la Cámara de Comercio.

Entre los datos rojos está la capacidad de la ciudad para exportar sus productos: Bogotá tiene un promedio de exportaciones de 566 dólares por persona, mientras en América Latina el promedio es de 1.300 dólares.

"A Bogotá le faltan mejores profesionales, mejores científicos y universidades prestigiosas. En esos tres aspectos está muy mal todavía. Además, debe tener al menos una universidad entre las mejores 500 del mundo", explica Díaz.

42 ciudades evaluó 'América Economía Intelligence' y Bogotá se ubicó en el octavo escalafón, con lo que ganó tres puestos.

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goin_south says on Nov 20, 2008, 22:04:

Well... the ladies from Bogota seem a bit more educated.... (taken as a wide... sweeeeping... generality).... a bit more cosmo-oriented .... and are as sweet as from anywhere else in Colombia. (not just LilaM, but... OTHERS, TOO!)

(I'm likely going to incur some wrath over this comment ;-))

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 20, 2008, 22:14:

My ex is from Bogota. Trust me GS, "more educated and cosmo oriented" doesn't describe her. She is damn street smart though.

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goin_south says on Nov 20, 2008, 23:00:

that's why I included the : "wide... sweeeeping... generality"
And, ... I thought she was from Villavocencillo

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 20, 2008, 23:14:

Nah GS. She was born and raised in Bogota. Deep south Bogota. Portal - then later, before Villavo - Candelaria. I did meet her in Villavo.

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manINred says on Nov 21, 2008, 04:47:

In retrospect, Bogota has a lot of really cool places that are hidden away. For me, that sorta thing helps define a city, Melbourne for example won the only respect I'll give it because of that.

But let's face it, Lima is a fantastic place as well, better climate at that.

To me, it's a win win. Except that Bogota is in Colombia, and that to me, makes it the winner ;)

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webmanco says on Nov 21, 2008, 05:14:

Bogotá any time, much better spanish spoken, prettier women, better cultural life, food is not a good as peruvian food but close.


http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/bogota-anyone--one-of-the-best-p...


For me beauty comes with nationality and pechonality, so I stick to Colombian women, remember colombiano come colombiana, colombiana come colombiano.



I had not been to Lima or Perú for that matter but I had visitors from Peru and they fall in love with Bogotá, rigth the minute theyare faced with our mountains, the threes and the looks of colombians both male and female.

Now Elmo the fact that you owe money to cachacos and you are afraid to step foot outside El Dorado airport it does not mean Bogotá is dangerous, also it is hard to see pretty girls in Bogotá thru the airplain window. Now it is time for someone to take you out for your daily walk.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 24, 2008, 05:44:

Isn't Lima where they shoot the Laura TV show?

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JungleBoi says on Nov 14, 2009, 11:49:

I find Bogota has a more happening arts and music scene than Lima and its much more real and truly latin-american. Few of these cushioned, foreign orientated neighbourhoods like miraflores, barranco and San Isidro exist in the city, shame Bogota is more expensive. Transport is much better in Bogota, much easier to get to all points of the city! As for Peruvuan cuisine...it is amazing, but Bogota is not constrained to Colombian foods, there's a varied cafe and restaurant scene that's really growing. Peruvian restaurants are aplenty you've got 14Inkas in Zona T, Nazca further north, Me Sabe a Peru in Teusaquillo and plenty more. Best Guide to all things in Bogota is www.vive.in If you read Spanish this is definitely your best point of reference in the city. Big Recomendation to Minimal, one of the best restaurants I've been to in my life...it's Tumaqueño food mixed with modern culinary practices...check it out in Alto Chapinero!!!

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tasco66 says on Nov 14, 2009, 14:47:

Nothing in Peru beats a Colombian Sanchocho

Newsweek on Uribe: "he's delivered the trifecta of peace, security, and prosperity"

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