Laureles - 33 Nightlife Area / Property

bogotabrian says on May 9, 2008, 11:52:

You might be on to something there. There are a lot of colleges in the area and I have always thought it was a really nice part of town. I will have to check out 33 tonight.

spigrimace says on May 9, 2008, 11:56:

I dont know how much of a revamp it had, but in addition to typical fondas and run down taverns, there are now more newer on the cusp of high-end cafes and lounges. They are redoing curbs and sidewalks througout the main drags all over the city. I like it quite a bit but strictly investment wise Im not sure as many parts of laureles can be just as high as Poblado. I like the neighborhood feel of it and I personally like flat vs. hills of Poblado. Are you talking a business? Commercial property? Residential property?

Cheers Terry says on May 9, 2008, 12:13:

I stumbled on this area earlier this year and quite liked it.

I'd also be interested in hearing what Medellin pros have to say about it.

Cheers,
Terry

durito says on May 9, 2008, 12:43:

I like the area better than Poblado -- but real estate isn't really any cheaper.

tomtom33 says on May 9, 2008, 12:49:

I don't know much about la 33, but la 70 and la 80 are quite nice. It is hard to beat Estadio on one end of la 70 and UPB on the other end. I am no expert, but it seems that many estrato 5 and 6 properties have already appreciated. You might find a deal in estrato 4. I did.

I own 2 properties in the general area and love it.

RAAAY says on May 9, 2008, 12:54:

This is where I live and , of course know it very well. It is very, very dangerous. Gringos are eaten for breakfast here. You will never be safe. Stay away. Go to Poblado. Don't come here. Plesssseeeeeee. Stay the f** away.


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MitchAlvarez says on May 9, 2008, 13:09:

lol ray is crazy.


laureles is a great place to live or do business.

i have property in both el poblado and laureles and believe me i spend most of my time in laureles.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

bickerss says on May 9, 2008, 13:45:

Sprigmace - it was for investment for rental property. I guess for more capital appreciation than the the foreign rental as most gringos like to be near to poblado; although that may change.

I thought that the new places were on par price wise with poblado but old places were much cheaper.

robi666 says on May 9, 2008, 14:52:

bickerss, I believe Poblado is where your money would work better and stay safer in case of an economy downturn.
Do not even consider the "foreigner factor" in Medellin. It is not existent. And, if one day the foreign presence will be noticeable, Poblado is where you'll have the greatest appreciation.

Now, I am not talking about what one may like or not or what you may want for living.

They are building a new tower in front of Oviedo. Ready in the first three months of 2010.
A 56 m2 studio is around 200 millions, depending on which floor. The highest available is at floor 15. The tower is 25 floors and they sold all the higher floors in just three months.
It seems a lot of money now. But it was the same two years ago with half of the price. And with this kind of property (fancy, top location, very small) you just cannot go wrong.

About your observation:
- The 33 nightlife area has apparently undergone a revamp and is now much more up market - is this accurate? No
- The prices are a lot less cost wise than Poblado. You get what you pay.
- People are starting to look at moving back to this area due to the cost in ie Poblado. No.
- The city is promoting the area and aiming to have it compete somewhat with Poblado. No.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on May 9, 2008, 15:00:

Now, if you are buying to live, it is a different discussion.
There is an house being sold right now in San Lucas. Around 350 m2, 400 m2 lote, to renew, estrato 5. I think you could have it for 350 millions.
Perfect for living, but not easy to resell or to lease.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on May 9, 2008, 15:03:

I was going to edit the previous comment, but someway the edit button is not there.
The 200 millions is 15% now, 55% in 21 months and 30% at the end.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

bickerss says on May 9, 2008, 15:16:

Hi Robbi - thanks. What about as a lower entry point relying mainly on a capital appreciation of assets. Buying second hand in Laureles gives a lower entry cost and therefore (fr IMO) hedge a little against the possible loss of peso value? I have looked at many many of the new constructions from envigado to San Diego, and I think they are quite costly for 1600 usd a sq metre on average.

RAAAY says on May 9, 2008, 15:59:

Jeez Robi........I don't want to encourage anyone to come over here........but....I think you have it all wrong.

Robi..." - The 33 nightlife area has apparently undergone a revamp and is now much more up market - is this accurate? No
- The prices are a lot less cost wise than Poblado. You get what you pay.
- People are starting to look at moving back to this area due to the cost in ie Poblado. No.
- The city is promoting the area and aiming to have it compete somewhat with Poblado. No.


Nightlife is much improved on 33........there are a load of new bars/clubs/modern lounge type places. There is activity here during the week-days that you don't get in Poblado.

Prices......yes, you get what you pay.......Laureles is rising faster than Poblado.

More and more people are moving here. You will not see " for rent" or " for sale " lasting very long.

The city has already done a huge amount of work here. All the pavements have been beautifully re-done. Plants, shrubs, park-benches, new trees and new street lighting.

The city are giving various business incentives here. Among them, is a programme to give zero tax for the next 15 years, for people to open parking lots.

Laureles is pretty much on flat ground. There are beautifull streets to walk around. The lack of hills here, has contributed to the air quality being much better than in the rest of the city.

It's much nicer than Poblado, I would just urge everyone to stay the f*** away.

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RAAAY says on May 9, 2008, 16:00:

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Medellin Traveler says on May 9, 2008, 16:30:

RAAAY and Medellin Traveler, neighbors one day.......

Laureles over Poblado for me.......

Mi casa, su casa............

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robi666 says on May 9, 2008, 16:37:

Ray, the 33 had much better life long ago you moved here. When you got here, it happens that it was the worst period in years, I guess much because the work being done.

I think that, whatever they do, the 33 will never compete with El Poblado. Another league, Poblado is so much classier. They do one thing there (new roads, parks, trees), they do 10 in El Poblado.
Ask where the rich people live... there is a reason.

The air is ten times better up on the hill in El Poblado than in Laureles. But, it has not anything to do with investment, anyway.

But, Ray, I can really be wrong. I was just giving my impression. And it is nice that you like it there, so we don't have to meet often. :P

By the way, on a more serious note, I met Ray's mother this afternoon and had a nice hour of talking with her. Nice, nice lady! It is so nice to hear what people say about Medellin after getting here.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on May 9, 2008, 16:38:

M_T, were you not going to live in Itagui?

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robi666 says on May 9, 2008, 16:41:

Anyway, it is really difficult to say where is a better investment. Not so much different anyway... Medellin is Medellin.
But, I always say that if you want more security, than you buy the best or what is considered the best.
If you want to risk and look for a bigger reward, you buy what you like and think will be appreciated one day.

bick, you are also right about used vs. new.

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pedro says on May 9, 2008, 17:29:

The 33 is a nice part of the city. Like grimace and Ray, I appreciate it being flat and walkable. It has more "soul" than Poblado.

I guess you could say some of the bars have gone upmarket, but it was starting from a pretty low base. I don't think the nightlife will ever reach extreme heights... it will always be a collection of smaller bars that are kind of niche. Many of them fun, in their own way. It will never host the kind of drive-up megaclubs like Mangos.

One possible appreciation play is to buy a house, with a view to eventually letting it be knocked down and develop, say, 10 apartments. There is a steady stream of new apartment construction in Laureles and Conquistadores, and new supply of sites will have to come from somewhere.

Bickerss, PM me if you want to compare notes. I'm currently planning to buy in that area, and will be looking at properties next week.

¡save pow wow!

MitchAlvarez says on May 9, 2008, 17:30:

robi i like el poblado too but your making laureles to be something its not.

Laureles is right there with el poblado. Now if your a foreigner who wants to live in Medellin your probably better off in el poblado.

Laureles has some areas that have the same el poblado has to offer.

lastly, call me crazy but i have more fun sometimes in la 33 than in el parque lleras.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

robi666 says on May 9, 2008, 17:33:

Just to be clear. I like 33 more than Lleras.

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durito says on May 9, 2008, 17:35:

If I was going to live in the city, I'd definitely live in Laureles.

MitchAlvarez says on May 9, 2008, 17:45:

robi but reading your comments id say im confused now

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Medellin Traveler says on May 9, 2008, 17:48:

El Poblado is without a doubt a great neighborhood, but it is a very sterile enviroment.

Itagui, too close to the familia, too close for comfort. I need to get away, be on my own sometimes. I've stayed in El Poblado on each of my trips, spent most of my time in Itagui, but whever I needed to get away, I excused myself and departed, not always to my hotel, but it gave me the option I needed to get away.

AND.... Laureles has everything I need within walking distance, short drive to Itagui.

Laureles, the best of both worlds...................

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MitchAlvarez says on May 9, 2008, 17:57:

MT i loved the pics bro... anymore? jaja

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Medellin Traveler says on May 9, 2008, 18:18:

Mitch, here you go.........

Laureles...........

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

Medellin Traveler says on May 9, 2008, 18:20:

Again, Laureles.......

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

Medellin Traveler says on May 9, 2008, 18:30:

9 possibly 13 bedrooms, 5 bath, jacuzzi, huge kitchen, two car garage, open patio; many great opportunities. great investment located in Laureles on same block as pictures above.

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MitchAlvarez says on May 9, 2008, 19:51:

my apartment is two blocks from the first picture. lol

eso queda por pepeganga de la nutibara

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

RAAAY says on May 9, 2008, 20:26:

MitchAlvarez says

.......... " robi but reading your comments id say im confused now "


No matter what Robi says, he confuses everybody, ..............so don't worry about it Mitch.

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robi666 says on May 9, 2008, 20:43:

Mitch,
Ray and me just came from eating at "Salvatore Crispino" on the Transversal primera.
I just drove him home, just to be sure nothing would happen to him... after he saw that Canadian blood on the pavement of the 33 in front of the brothel, he is very prudent.

Salvatore said that Tomtom went eating there twice lately. He described him as a big guy with lots of hair, so it must be him... :)

It could be where we will have the next PBH meeting... Laureles.

About confusing, it's just that one day I like something and the other day I like something else... changing is life... don't you think?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

MitchAlvarez says on May 9, 2008, 20:54:

lol sort of yes

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tomtom33 says on May 10, 2008, 00:56:

I brought my novia the last time I ate at Crispino's. She was very pleased with the food as well. We had just come from a reception at UPB.

spigrimace says on May 10, 2008, 06:45:

And all the poblado guys bitched because I put the sports bar on the "wrong" side of the river and they have to drive 10 minutes to get here to watch the NFL. Of course the 20 guys that live in Estadio, Lomas de Los Bernal, La Mota, Laureles, Castellana, etc. didnt bitch.

For appreciation (or at least no depreciation) maybe its almost too late but Lomas de Los Bernal not far from Laureles has some gorgeous Pobladoesque apartments in the low to mid 100 millones range. But If functionality is your game, and you want cheap spectacular full city views and dont mind Steeeeeep hills, Rodeo Alto has new construction unidad cerradas in the 60-70 millones. EZ to la 80 over by Guayabal (youre at the aguacatala bridge in 5 minutes from home) and quick to la Mota and unfortunatley Belen Rincon but although theres bus youll need a car as no stores near there and be prepared to replace the clutch every 2 years (but that should only cost you around $260 mil!).

panthdave says on May 10, 2008, 15:43:

I didn't bitch Chris...I do have access in my apartment now...all games...just in case I do get lazy and don't want to cross the river....LA 33 has improved big time..my opinion..

panthdave Miami

panthdave says on May 10, 2008, 15:53:

This must be the rich group...talking about 100,000 dollar properties or more...My dreams right now...Chris might come over Memorial Day Weekend....to have a beer..to Champions..

panthdave Miami

RAAAY says on May 12, 2008, 10:52:

Poblado...???....not for me.......The views from my apartment in Laureles. 2b/r 3bath/room,seperate quarters for live in help....$375 US per month.
Great city views from this window. Beautifull at night.
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The rest of these pictures are taken while standing in the exact same spot. Look left for the city view....look right for the mountain view........The pool area is " the back yard "...looking straight down.







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Ave 33.....bigger variety of bars and restaurants.........and no sex tourists..They stay in Poblado, where it is " safer "

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bickerss says on May 12, 2008, 11:50:

Nice pictures. Is that your building pool in the photo?

RAAAY says on May 12, 2008, 11:52:

Yes...........And a fully equipped gym, sauna and steam room..


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tomtom33 says on May 12, 2008, 11:56:

I noticed some exercise equipment on the pool deck.

bickerss says on May 12, 2008, 12:00:

thats an awsome pool - and awsome price for a 2 bed apt etc.

RAAAY says on May 12, 2008, 12:03:

Tom...that is one of those multi purpose things .........it's always there........my finger prints are not on it. I just took tis pic.



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It's a beautifull pool.......the gym and sauna etc are sort of under it..........beautifull landscaped gardens with walkways under the trees........little sitting areas with a few artifical waterfalls...........quiet, peacefull...............the pictures don't really give a proper sense of the views.....they are stunning...........


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tomtom33 says on May 12, 2008, 12:16:

Those multi-purpose things can provide a very good cardio-vascular workout. Me likes.

robi666 says on May 12, 2008, 12:28:

You need a new camera Ray... or just new tele-lenses...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on May 12, 2008, 12:38:

Yeah......the little lens is giggling around ..........


.sometimes it works ok.........

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bickerss says on May 12, 2008, 13:58:

Raay - do you know how much (about) apartments there sell for?

RAAAY says on May 12, 2008, 14:06:

The 3 b/r immediately next to me, which is much bigger than mine, was on the market for about two weeks. I know they were asking 180 mil. I don't know what it was sold for.

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bickerss says on May 12, 2008, 14:11:

ok, thanks. Seems great value.

MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 17:39:

where do you live? i like your neighbor by the pool

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BillBigD says on May 12, 2008, 19:18:

Ray-Good to hear there are still some deals in the city.

robi666 says on May 12, 2008, 19:46:

Deals? 180 milions for what... a 70 or 80 sqm apartment?
If it was in Poblado you would hear the usual crowd starting screaming at gringo price.

The price is almost right, before a little discount, but not a deal.

On the other hand, the rent (375 USD = 675,000 COP) sounds like a great deal. Or... is it excluding the administracion fee? Anyway, good price.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on May 12, 2008, 19:54:

That is the total I pay..no other fees.........however, I paid the full year in advance, when the Peso was weaker..................for the coming year the rent will be 850,000

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robi666 says on May 12, 2008, 19:56:

We talked about it before: that's a great price for a 180 millions apartment!

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

BillBigD says on May 12, 2008, 19:57:

Robi-The rent he quoted. Also what was the carnival you were talking about on Saturday if you don't mind me asking?

robi666 says on May 12, 2008, 20:02:

Bill, I thought you were talking about the sell price...
Carnival is a disco in La Estrella.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

MitchAlvarez says on May 12, 2008, 20:52:

Carnival is a great afterhours spot. Lots of eye candy. I wont say much because Kat and the mafia will attack me jaja

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

BillBigD says on May 12, 2008, 21:01:

Thanks guys

RAAAY says on May 12, 2008, 22:18:

Another , looking out the window............




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RAAAY says on May 13, 2008, 05:31:

Ramrod.................you obviously have'nt been around here for a while.............or, you just don't know where to go............

And judging by your tone.................I'm not surprised you think there is no fun around, you probably don't get a lot of calls to come out.........


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RAAAY says on May 13, 2008, 05:54:

LOL....................

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MitchAlvarez says on May 13, 2008, 06:17:

ramrod what is your purpose here in pbh?

other then to talk shit about colombians in all your comments?

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

MitchAlvarez says on May 13, 2008, 06:58:

analyzing does not mean going from thread to thread talking loads of shit about colombians. From what I see your also talking about Irish.

Sad analytical skills.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

RAAAY says on May 13, 2008, 07:05:

Ramrod says

.... " My purpose is to analize Colombia and Colombians. HELLO this website is about Colombia."

Your sole purpose seems to be to antagonise people. You made two comments here at the beginning of 2006. Now, with new members allowed back in, you have resurrected an old user name and you are bouncing from thread to thread with negative comments about everything, mostly about Colombians.


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Peter (Moderator) says on May 13, 2008, 07:32:

Ramrod was a troll and was deleted, thanks for flagging his comments.

Poor but snappy