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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:16:

Surely the monkey will have some negative comment about that.

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huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:20:

Which monkey? What are you talking about? Just say what you mean, they did not teach me in kidergarten how to read minds
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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Sam Salmon says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:24:

FYI-'The Monkey' is Hugo the Asshole/Idiot Chavez

' a la orden!'

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:36:

Monkey no ORANGUTAN!!!

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huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:40:

http://english.aljazeera.net/English

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durito says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:41:

aljazeera is just as slanted and biased as fox news

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huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:46:

Sorry, but that is genuine sheer ignorance!
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PurpleFrog says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:47:

"Aljazeera News Channel (best news channel)"

That is a joke???, RIGHT?

Thank you.....Goodnite Now!

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scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:53:

yea but the monkey on PBH is the cute friendly monkey. Hugo is more like a fokin Baboon.

aljazeera, best news channel...yea right!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:54:

Read all about it...... www.elcolombiano.com. Careful if you are sensitive, they are some gory pics of dead guerrillero

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Atrevido says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:55:

Huskie I saw no reference to your story above on the link you supplied. Did you know that Aljazeera News Channel scoops all it´s news from The Daily Planet. It´s a fact.

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huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:57:

No joke, my friend....
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durito says on Mar 2, 2008, 17:57:

"Sorry, but that is genuine sheer ignorance!"

No, actually it's not.

I get my news from a wide variety of sources in order to get as many perspectives as possible, But, news channels like Fox News and Al-Jazeera are incredibly biased and full of ignorance. Don't let your political beliefs blind you.

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huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:00:

Your opinion, not mine
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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:02:

It is interesting to read Aljazeera, New York Times, Washington Post, The People's Daily from China, the BBC, El Universal (Caracas & Cartagena), and Radio Netherlands to see different spins on the news.

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scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:02:

durito, i have some shocking news for you all news stations are biased, why do you think they call CNN the clinton news network.
as for aljazeera.....trash, anti west, pro terrorist, garbage.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:03:

You read the daily planet? You must be a great fan of comic books!
Maybe you cannot type correctly...try it again
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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:04:

Clinton News Network? hmm, maybe we be from the right side of the aisle?

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durito says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:07:

Obviously all news sources have some form of bias, that's just human nature. TV networks explicitly have this problem. Even the best newspapers in the world have problems. I try and read as many as possible to see all the sides of an issue. That includes places like aljazeera, but to call it the best news source in the world is a joke.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:08:

I guess is all garbage if it doesn't agree with your views 100%?

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huskie says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:09:

My opinion: Best news source
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lampltr says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:10:

Believe Colombia will issue an apology to the Ecuadorian government out of kindness and to maintain relations, but the 2 governments had been in direct dialog prior to the engagement. Now what may or may not have been said I do not know, but on Telesur last evening the Ecuadorian president did say live that they were direct talks with Colombia before the raid. Quite possibly Colombia may have left out some major details possibly knowing they would be rejected...I do not know, something does not add up. Just don't believe Ecuador would be as 2 faced (Saying one thing then turning around and do the opposite), as Chevez.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:11:

Except, of course FOX! What rubbish!

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:14:

So true! Whatever a wipey is, not in my lexicon.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:17:

Tell it to the hero Fox hero, O' Reilly, what an ass-wipe.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:18:

ajjj, baby talk?

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:20:

He could be a good friend for Chavéz.

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scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:20:

sloop you lean left huh?

FOX is rubbish huh? you do happen to know that FOX is the most watched news channel , they consistantly beat the socks off all the other news channels combined, this tells me they must be doing something correct or they wouldnt have the huge number of viewers and ratings that they have?
let me ask you what news channel do you watch?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:22:

A pair of paranoid, egocentric, schizos

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:25:

scotty says on Sunday March 2nd, 2008 18:20:

"sloop you lean left huh?

FOX is rubbish huh? you do happen to know that FOX is the most watched news channel"

Me, yeah, maybe. But Bush was also elected, at least ONCE, by all thos people who watch it.

I watched MSNBC, but the idiots here don't use any NBC.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:25:

But really, nore than lean left.

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sloopskipper says on Mar 2, 2008, 18:31:

Talkin' about evil ass-wipes, along with Carl Rove.

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romy says on Mar 2, 2008, 20:32:

could someone that bashes al jazeera actually provide a link of misreporting from their part? or was that just anti-arab sentiment?

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Robert Jorge says on Mar 2, 2008, 20:58:

Romy, I don't know if al jamima misreports .... but I do know they are the one's who release propaganda tapes provided by terrorists, showing innocent people getting their heads sawed off.

BEWARE of gold diggers.

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scotty says on Mar 2, 2008, 21:36:

you leftys crack me up, i dont know if i should laugh at your comments or argue with them. i think i will just laugh and drop it because i have so many times in the past tried to talk common sense to liberals and they just dont seem to get it so i will try to explain it in as short a post as i possibly can.

the facts are the facts, liberals are the big whiners and cry babies of all time, they bitch and moan and groan and blame everything in the world that happens on Bush, America, Fox news or christains.
if liberals would just stop crying for 10 minutes and look at the facts they would see the light.

examples:
1. you constantly cry about FOX news, YET consistantly FOX news wins all the highest ratings, they are the leader of ALL news channels, which tells you what? it tells you that even though the libs cry the loudest the over whelming majority of americans watch FOX, which makes you cry babies the minority in judging a good news broadcast.
2. you constantly bitch and moan and blame Bush for every little thing, you call him stupid and hitler and whatever other inmature dumbass things you can come up with, yet consistantly YOUR people the DEMS in congress vote for Bushs programs and new laws. You state how unpopular Bush is with only a 32% favorable rating, yet the Democrat congress only gets a 16% favorable rating, which tells you what? that no matter how dumb Bush may be or how unpopular he may be the Democratic congress is even WORSE.
3. you keep claiming Bush stole the 2000 election, yet he also won the 2004 election so that tells you what? that again either Bush is a very smart guy to steal one or even two elections or the Dems are very stupid to let him steal two elections, which is it is Bush smart or are the Dems dumb, you cant have it both ways.
4. you blame Bush for attacking Iraq, yet most of the Dems voted for it. so once again i ask you is Bush just so damn smart that he fooled all those Dems into signing on for a war, or are the Dems just dumb, again you cant have it both ways.
5. i suppose i could go on and on about america and christains and global warming and all that other stuff that cry baby liberals keep bitching about, but i think i made my point, so there is no need for me to continue .
my point is simple, stop whinning, stop blaming, stop being cry babies, stop pointing fingers, try to help fix the problems rather than constantly blame some one else.sheeesh!!!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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romy says on Mar 2, 2008, 23:35:

"if liberals would just stop crying for 10 minutes and look at the facts they would see the light"

you mean if we ignore the poor (or shoot them down if they get too pesky), ignore the changing climate, carry on the warfare abroad, and focus on our selfish existance there would be nothing to complain about?

RJ, my belief is that they are trying to present an unbiased reporting of world events, which includes direct testimony from the so-called terrorists. People should be able to watch these and make their own opinions, not have their opinions made for them by the media. Trust me, the moment I perceive biased reporting from Al Jazeera is the moment I move on.

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scotty says on Mar 3, 2008, 00:06:

oh brother, give me fokin break. what a bunch of jibberish. man nobody give a chit if you watch aljez, watch what the fok you want . unbelievable. i give up on you people.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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tomtom33 says on Mar 3, 2008, 03:37:

Trust me, the moment I perceive biased reporting from Al Jazeera is the moment I move on.
you mean if we ignore the poor (or shoot them down if they get too pesky),

I guess that your perception is a bit limited these days.

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huskie says on Mar 3, 2008, 03:39:

You are absolutely right Romy, I wonder if people who have bashed Al-Jezeera really have read any pararaphs on their news reporting, as you said they report news from all over the world, showing what really goes on, their reporters are all well respected and serious, the best ones have left other networks to work for Al-J and they are really the best. As far as documentaries, they are excellent as well, furthermore, they do not have anything to do with terrorists at all...like I said before, that is just pure sheer ignorance, words spoken by someone who never, never has read or seen Al-J.
Cheers

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Chriscan says on Mar 3, 2008, 04:01:

Al Jezeera is the best international news. It like how they just give you the facts and don't try to put a slant on it. I either want my news obejective or very opinionated I don't like subliminal crap.

************* WARNING ************* my words often come from my ass

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tomtom33 says on Mar 3, 2008, 04:27:

The choice of facts and order of presentation slants things. This is subliminal. There is no such thing as objectivity.

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borat says on Mar 3, 2008, 07:49:

I find Al Jazeera to be one of the most ballenced news mediums available.

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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miamimike says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:22:

Huskie-Add Granma and BBC to your list with AJ. Nothing wrong with listening to Alternative New's Sources to get your opinion. Here in Miami, I rely very little on the Miami/Nuevo Herald for a True Representation of the Cuban/Venezuelan News as they completely Right Wing(ultra) so I also check out Cuba's Granma&BBC for a second Balanced source. I also listen to Alternative News stations on my Shortwave and here you get some great Unfiltered news bits. Some of the Neuvo Herald's Writer's are also involved with VOA Broadcasts from the States to Cuba so no independent opinion put out from them. Just a Rubberstamp of the Bush Adm and Cuban Right Wing groups here in Miami. Its hard to get unbiased news in our area only by local sources, print, cable and broadcast these days. BTW, The German radio station Deutsche Welle on Shortwave also has great unbiased newscasts,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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huskie says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:36:

Yes, I know, I have never listened or heard about Granma, but will check it out, thanks for the info, I do watch Deutsche Welle, on my TV here, actually I get several European channels where I live, Albania.

http://www.france24.com/en/
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LDW says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:38:

I am no fan of the mid east mentality, as anybody who has read my posts knows. I think the teachings of the Islamic religion are indescribably ugly and have no place in a secular society.

Having said that, I am inclined to agree with the favorable comments on Al Jazeera that I have seen in this thread. Al Jazeera gives a wide open forum to lots of points of view, including those of former muslims (Wafa Sultan), and those secularists who speak out against the ugly intolerance of the mid east theocracies.

Maybe Wafa Sultan has been on CNN, but I don't recall ever seeing her on CNN. I have seen her on Fox News. That courageous lady receives death threats for her apostasy every day.

Al Jazeera has given her a forum to openly express her views to Arabic speakers.

Anybody can find Wafa Sultan's interview on Al Jazeera on Youtube. She is one gutsy lady.

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huskie says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:43:

I agree, she is not only gutsy, she is brilliant!
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jonas says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:45:

Good discussion here, it shows once again how narrow minded the Fox news watchers really are. And with Fox getting the highest ratings, I remain somewhat worried.

Simon Presidente!

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LDW says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:50:

Well Jonas.....I don't trust CNN

My information is that CNN is owned by AOL Time Warner, whose largest shareholder is a Saudi Prince.

Maybe my information is wrong or out of date, but if it's true, then CNN has no credibility in my book. They don't broadcast news. It is a 24 hour diet of one reporter interviewing another.

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jonas says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:56:

LDW I completely agree with you on that. I try to get as many different news sources as possible.

Simon Presidente!

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romy says on Mar 3, 2008, 10:01:

I actually like CNN's feature of searching related blogs to every news story. And I read/watch BBC everyday.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 3, 2008, 10:03:

The Universal, newspaper from Venezuela did this poll

Sólo se puede votar una vez. Nuestras encuestas son únicamente referenciales y nuestra intención es la de fomentar tu participación, no pretenden ser una herramienta formal de investigación.

¿Qué le pareció la respuesta del presidente Hugo Chávez ante la muerte de Raúl Reyes en territorio ecuatoriano?

Justa y necesaria
95 / 8.12%

Desproporcionada
218 / 18.63%

Fuera de lugar
768 / 65.64%

Intrascendente
89 / 7.61%

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borat says on Mar 3, 2008, 10:32:

The BBC is largely funded and supported by the British government.

Remember what happened to David Kelly.

what you believe is not important, it's what you do that counts

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miamimike says on Mar 3, 2008, 11:26:

Granma From Cuba: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2008/internacional-i.html

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 11:27:

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Scotty............" i have so many times in the past tried to talk common sense to liberals and they just dont seem to get it so i will try to explain it in as short a post as i possibly can..."


" examples:
...1. you constantly cry about FOX news, YET consistantly FOX news wins all the highest ratings, they are the leader of ALL news channels,...."


For your information............. FOX is not the leader of all news channels..........it attracts a miniscule amount of the news watching public compared to the three main network news shows...................................it is the number one in ratings on cable.......beating out CNN ( just about )...Msnbc and HLN..................But FOX keeps telling you that " they are the number one in News.".......so ................fools believe them.....




Scotty.." 2. ......yet the Democrat congress only gets a 16% favorable rating, "

Again....you watch too much FOX........it is Congress that has been getting low favourible numbers..........Not, as you characterise it, The Democrat Congress........the uptick in unfavourable numbers for Congress have been blamed on , among other things, the number of sex scandals by Republican members.

Scotty ." 3................................................. "

You really did'nt say anything.........just more FOX propaganda





Scotty.." 4.......you blame Bush for attacking Iraq, yet most of the Dems voted for it..."

You seem to be under the impression that there was a vote to go to war with IRAQ..............there was no vote to go to war with IRAQ ......????..........again ......listening to FOX a tad too much.......






Scotty..." 5.. i think i made my point, so there is no need for me to continue "



Yes Scotty ...............................you made your point....................several points actually...............and they all go to show how *&*&*&* you are..........




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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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miamimike says on Mar 3, 2008, 11:31:

Well said Raay! Amen,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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huskie says on Mar 3, 2008, 11:36:

I second that!!!! BTW what is HLN?
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 11:41:

Miami...........please copy and paste my comment...............Scotty does'nt like hearing fom me.............................hee hee..........I think I'm on his ignore list...........IMAGINE...


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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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miamimike says on Mar 3, 2008, 11:51:

RAAY--He did the same thing to me! If Scotty doesn't like your opposing arguement, even though it may be 100% true, he simply chooses to ignore you by pulling an Ostrich and putting his Head 2 feet into the Sand. LOL

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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LDW says on Mar 3, 2008, 11:53:

BBC = British Brainwashing Corporation.

My guess is that soon reporters will have to recite the shahada to work for them.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 3, 2008, 11:58:

I wonder apart from WAR which we have to avoid at all cost, what would be the best solution to this problem? and specially now that we know those to countries help the Colombian guerrillas.

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durito says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:03:

Just because lots of people watch a news channel doesn't make that news channel accurate, non-biased, or intelligent. In fact given the state of the education system in the US, I would say the opposite.

The reason people watch Fox news is because it's like a soap opera. They show high speed car chases. They scream about immigrants ruining the USA. It's populism at it's worst. They may be opposite ends of the political spectrum, but Chavez and Fox News are of the exact same breed.

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NataliaV says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:04:

Also, adding to kat's questions....who do you think would be the better US president in terms of helping Colombia if this did continue to escalate? I agree we need to avoid war, but I don't see this being swept under the rug. Which candidate do you feel would have Colombia's back more so than any other?

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durito says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:04:

"I wonder apart from WAR which we have to avoid at all cost, what would be the best solution to this problem? and specially now that we know those to countries help the Colombian guerrillas."


I want to know what the Venezuelan and Ecuadorian troops that have been deployed to the border are going to do when they run into FARC camps?

It's funny Chavez can say there are no FARC in venezuela but then say there will be war if Colombia pursues FARC in venezuela.

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getting better says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:05:

I think it is the Ecuadorian government that should be issuing the apology to Colombia for having harboured vermin in its territory.

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LDW says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:09:

kat1..........

I am sure that Uribe believes that Colombia must be vigilant, but I believe that the risk of all out war is very remote. Chavez is a buffoon.

Is it just possible that this may all be a blessing in disguise. Maybe FARC will just migrate to Venezuela and stay there. Kinda like you having a manure pile in your yard, and then your neighbour comes along and says you you pile the shit in his yard.

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miamimike says on Mar 3, 2008, 12:12:

NataliaV says on Monday March 3rd, 2008 12:04:

Also, adding to kat's questions....who do you think would be the better US president in terms of helping Colombia if this did continue to escalate? I agree we need to avoid war, but I don't see this being swept under the rug. Which candidate do you feel would have Colombia's back more so than any other?

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Well Plan Colombia which has sent Billions in Aid to Colombia and thereby greatly having improved Security for Everyday Colombians was devised and Implemented(signed into Law) By Prez Bill Clinton in the 90s,,,


http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/08/30/colombia.clinton.05/...

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 13:35:

I would not count on Hillary following Bill's lead.

I still don't get why anyone would think she was qualified to be president. Her only qualification is being a famous guy's wife. Granted, that famous guy was twice elected president, but that had nothing to with her. If anything, he was elected in spite of her.

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billyb says on Mar 3, 2008, 13:40:

Is Bill running for pres. this year? My guess MaCain would best as fas as Colombia would be concerned

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 13:43:

The US sell a heap of shit to Colombia.................Any President will protect the national interest .............You're my customer..............wadd'ya need me to do...?

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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NataliaV says on Mar 3, 2008, 13:48:

I too thought Mccain would be the best for this situation. Not sure about the Dems....

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billyb says on Mar 3, 2008, 14:00:

Dems want to cut plan Colombia money way back, and are also holding the trade agreement up due to union pressure in the US.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 14:31:

Their reasons for not supporting the FTA are flawed, but even so, I am glad they are against it. It is bad for most Colombian companies and workers for other reasons.

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 14:45:

ColGringo................I think you are underestimating the resoursefullness of Colombian companies.................There are many companies here who are chomping at the bit to have free and fair acess to a market of 300 million people..............

Companies here, are lean and mean and sharp, well capable of competing on the world stage....................Right now it is impossible to get space in the Free Trade zones here......

When this thing is ratified, all sorts of Colombian businessmen will be exporting a huge range of stuff to the US.............good for business........good for workers.............great for the Colombian economy............


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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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tomtom33 says on Mar 3, 2008, 14:50:

They might be lean and sharp, but they don't know shit about customer service. There is a big learning curve for Colombian business to be able to compete on the world stage. First they have to get their heads out of their asses.

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romy says on Mar 3, 2008, 14:54:

kat1 says on Monday March 3rd, 2008 11:58:

I wonder apart from WAR which we have to avoid at all cost, what would be the best solution to this problem? and specially now that we know those to countries help the Colombian guerrillas.

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I don't think we 'know', it is alleged by the Colombian government. Regardless, I remember seeing images of Correa in the F4 celebrations and clearly refering to the FARC as terrorists which makes me doubt any 'helping' of Guerrillas.
I do believe Chavez needs to F-off, but what he claims to be pursuing in talks and negotiations is the only humane way.

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huskie says on Mar 3, 2008, 14:56:

CG says:
"Their reasons for not supporting the FTA are flawed, but even so, I am glad they are against it. It is bad for most Colombian companies and workers for other reasons."

Can you elaborate some about those other "reasons"
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 14:56:

Sorry, but the fact that some companies are excited about it does not make it good for the general Colombian economy. Local companies will have a hard time competing against US companies intent on flooding the Colombian market. It will certainly benefit some sectors, but overall I believe that it will lead to long-term job losses and will generally be bad for a large amount of Colombian companies.

Take Velez for example. They are a Colombian leather goods manufacturer that does very well in the Colombian domestic market. What happens when cheap American leather goods flood the market? Velez will start losing domestic market share. I find it hard to believe that they would be able to offset these losses with exports to the US. Who is going to buy Velez products in the US? I realize that this is a very specific example, but it is a scenario that will play out in many different Colombian industries and will end in the loss of many Colombian companies and the jobs they currently provide in Colombia.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:00:

There are also some intellectual property issues that are detrimental to Colombian interests. The most egregious are those that benefit US pharmaceutical companies. The FTA would effectively ban generic versions of US drugs for 20 years. This would greatly harm the average Colombian while unfairly benefiting the US Pharmas. Isn't it enough that they are screwing the average American?

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romy says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:00:

ColombianoGringo, a Colombian friend of mine has setup a leather boutique (similar to a boots n' bags in Colombia) here in Calgary AB and is doing very well for herself.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:03:

That is great for her, but that doesn't address the bigger issue. Is she selling exclusively Colombian goods?

I am always glad to hear about entrepreneurs such as your friend. Does Canada have a free trade agreement with Colombia?

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:09:

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Tom.............every company will rise to the occasion................or someone else will take their place..............their methodolgy for doing business here, is the way it is, because they can get away with it.......................no pressure..................easy going..............once they start aqquiring US customers they will adapt very quickly to the ways of that customer...............it always happens...........people and companies rise to the next level.....................

The Chinese are a good example............from being very unprofessional and slow to react to the needs of customers......to being really on the ball.........

Companies in Brazil used to be a joke.............everything was " tomorrow ".......extremly easy going........very unresponsive to a customers needs............Now they are a huge force to be reckoned with in International Trade and Brazil is a huge export economy...........

Colombian companies are so un-export focused................as a nation this country exports very little ....................the goverment agencies and educational institutions here are only now beginning to step up to the plate................give them a few years combined with this particular TA with the States..............their attitudes will be totally different..........................

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:11:

Raay, Your scenario depends on a lot of questionable assumptions about the ability of relatively small Colombian companies to compete against large, well-funded multinationals.

I am not against Colombia being a great exporter, nor am I completely against some sort of trade agreement, but this one is not the correct one. It needs to be renegotiated.

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:17:

Tom............

.." Local companies will have a hard time competing against US companies intent on flooding the Colombian market."


As it is, US companies do a huge amount of business here already..........Colombia is consistantly in the top 15 countries in the world that the US exports to..........there really is not a lot of room for huge improvment......................

But ,on the other hand, apart from the big commodities, Colombia really exports very little to the States......


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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:20:

"there really is not a lot of room for huge improvment"

Then why is the Republican administration pushing for this so hard? They are not going to do something that will increase the export trade imbalance.

Despite our difference of opinion on the general topic, you have to admit that the ridiculous concessions to US pharmas alone merits a renegotiation.

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RAAAY says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:30:

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. The pharmacutical issue is indeed a strong one....................Perhaps Colombia could threaten to stop sales of cocaine until a more favourabe resolution of this ..........that'll teach em..........

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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billyb says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:31:

"What happens when cheap American leather goods flood the market?"

CG, the US doesn't produce cheap leather goods.

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scotty says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:33:

how did this thread go from the latest news on the Colombian/ Venezuelan crisis to news channels and candidates for US president, we hear enough of that chit constantly on the news.

so my question is what is the latest news on the Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador standoff? I did hear that today Ecuador followewd their leader Chavez and also pulled their emabassy people out of Colombia.

any other updated news?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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billyb says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:33:

Canada is on the verge of approving an FTA with Colombia.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:33:

"Perhaps Colombia could threaten to stop sales of cocaine until a more favourabe resolution of this"

Now you are just being an ass.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:34:

Scotty,

Ecuador officially announced that it is breaking diplomatic ties with Colombia.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:38:

There are a lot of American companies producing leather goods. I guess it just depends what your definition of cheap is.

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billyb says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:39:

Oh and BTW, their minister just admited that he did meet with Reyes in January, this after all those denials. At least now they have shown their real face and we know what we are dealing with.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:42:

Yep. Colombia definitely played a risky hand, but it is worth it if it means that the government of Chavez and that of his "lapdog" Correa are exposed as state sponsors of terrorism.

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juancegomez says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:52:

The more time passes, the more I think Colombia should have thought things through a lot more...including the revelations, if that they indeed are, from the PCs...there could have been smarter ways to deal with this and, for that matter, waiting and tracking Reyes to another camp in the first place.

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billyb says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:55:

But what if they had missed their chance to take him out? I think the risk was worth it. I do agree that the release of the documents could have been handled more judisciously for better effect.

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juancegomez says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:58:

If you want to put it that way...I think we'll only completely know if that risk was worth it after several weeks or so, in the short term, and at least after several years, in the medium term.

Too much crap is going on right now and, I have to say, I'm beginning to be overwhelmed while trying to track everything at the same time...guess I'm a victim of my own inventions, in a way.

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 15:59:

Don't feel bad juance, we humans are a bloodthirsty lot ;)

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robi666 says on Mar 3, 2008, 16:00:

I had the same thought and posted it yesterday, Juancegomez.

But, I frankly don't know how can Uribe be patient enough to not show some muscles, too.
He is acting like a great President.
There's no words to express the anger I feel looking at the news coming out hour after hours. So clear the connections between Venezuela, Ecuador and FARC, so clear the will of the Venezuelan Duce to go to war.

And still, Colombia is patiently waiting... and the only country who stand for this country is the US.

And my country, Italy, and its Foreign Minister, condemning the raid and nothing more. Fuck off Italy! I hope our useless embassy will burn under the bombs of the guerrilla.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 16:02:

Robi, I don't know why, but I always thought you were Colombian. I guess I never looked at your profile.

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Simon says on Mar 3, 2008, 16:19:

If we go to war I'm ready to enlist immediately.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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scotty says on Mar 3, 2008, 18:06:

my personal opinon is that Colombia could kick Venezuela and Ecuadors asses at the same time, however, im sure the US could and would offer some assistance, maybe a carrier and a few stelth jets, some satelite information would be nice.

Simon i'd like to sign up with you man but cancer set me back and im not suited for war anymore, i would like to do something to help Colombia if a war breaks out. I will think of something i can do, some way i can support Colombia.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Simon says on Mar 3, 2008, 18:11:

Thanks for your moral support Scotty. God Bless!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 3, 2008, 19:58:

Fresh from Colombia.
2008/3/3, Colombia Soy Yo :
:
Que falsedad la de Hugo Chavez Frias.

Ver Video de Chavez jurando por Dios y su Madre que no apoya las Farc, y luego diciendo que si


Colombianos, no nos dejemos engañar, debemos apoyar nuestra patria en estos momentos de crisis con Ecuador y Venezuela.


Por favor comparte este email con quien puedas.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsBSzgtlYj8

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 3, 2008, 19:59:

Oye china. Parece que te falto el enlace.

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billyb says on Mar 3, 2008, 20:19:

what a rat.

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 3, 2008, 20:46:

2008/3/3, Colombia Soy Yo :......I can`t paste the link, gggrgrgrgrr

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scotty says on Mar 4, 2008, 01:18:

billyb is right, they found the opportunity to take this guy out and they did it, the risk was worth it, one less jackass to deal with, also the Colombians sent a message "we can get you, you arent safe anywhere".

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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scotty says on Mar 4, 2008, 01:20:

Simon, you give hell dude!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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