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La suegra y el martillo

Wednesday, there was a domestic dispute in my fiancee's house. She lives with her parents. My girlfriend's sister has moved from Cartagena to Santa Marta to be with her new marido and their baby. However, this sister had a daughter from a previous relationship, and she just left girl there at the abuelo's house in Cartagena. Now this little girl is protesting, won't go to the colegio, ranting and raving having temper tantrums in the house. The abuelo pacifies her by buying her toys. Wednesday however, la senora had had enough. They get into it about why is he spoiling her? Why don't we send her to Santa Marta? Etc. This escalated into this 50 something year old woman chasing the father around the house with a hammer swearing she was going to kill him. My girlfriend jumps in the middle to try to break it up, 30 minutes later she's in the street with her clothes in a bag wondering where she's going to spend the night.

Real domestic issues.

My question is twofold: 1) I had always assumed that it was just a gross generalization that if you upset a Colombian woman she may do great physical harm to you. Mi future suegra though, has demonstrated on more than one occasion tht she has la capaz de matar a alguien. Really dramatic stories. So, can anyone comment on domestic violence? Because any relationship is bound to have some things to work out.

2) Just because the mom has a temper, and is running around talking about partiendo la cabeza con una botella, does that necessarily mean that her daughter, my fiancee, who seems so sweet and harmless, is a closet fiera as well?

By cam0940 on Aug 26, 2005, 10:47 in Friendly Talkzone.


shirly1981 says on Aug 26, 2005, 11:02:

jejejejjej sorry........... Sorry but this is funny, i hadnt heard something like that since a long time ago. but let me tell you something now "De tal palo, tal astilla" keep an eye on your girl and if she has any similar behavior you know what to do.....Sometimes is not our fault that somebody in our family is aggressive but when you grow up seeing this everyday, for sure at any time of your life, you are going to do the same with you future family. Just get to know her and thats it, i dont wanna scare you..............

Sophia

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cam0940 says on Aug 26, 2005, 11:43:

Shirly Would you consider this type of behavior common in Colombia?

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Miguel says on Aug 26, 2005, 11:47:

Be Afraid Of Colombianas With Hammers AND telefonos...do a search here and you will see what I mean. If, in fact, your story es LA VERDAD, read other threads here about colombianas following the behavior of their moms and abuelas. One thing that bothers me is that the sister split and left her daughter in Cartegena. I can somewhat relate, because my girlfriend's sister had a daugther by a corroncho who has two others from two other women. There is no way in hell she would leave her daughter behind to live with another guy. Tengo que decir...BANDERA ROJA.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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cam0940 says on Aug 26, 2005, 11:57:

I agree about the neice.. Apparently the new marido says the daughter from the previous relationship isn't his responsibility. It was a very cold thing to do to the little girl. She used to be very sweet, but she's not taking it very well that she's been left behind. I will search for the other threads you mentioned.

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shirly1981 says on Aug 26, 2005, 12:09:

Thats not the tipical colombian woman......... What a bad woman, sorry but if i had a daughter/son from my past relationship my new boyfriend, lover, partner whatever must accept me with her/him that would be part of me. and about this behavior it happens in 60% of the families in Colombia, the problem is not that, the real problem is this........Are the new generations following what was seen in their houses???

Sophia

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shirly1981 says on Aug 26, 2005, 12:18:

This reminded me something......... My grand grand aunt used to say, when you get married, you gotta be 'careful with the man you have next to you, if this guy gets aggressive and wanna hit you, let him do it, but make sure when you stand up, you hit him back, but hit him in a way that he never ever forget that pain and never ever wish to do that again..... jejejeje.....Wise woman or not??? Im not aggressive but the day my husband wanna hit me for sure i know what to do.................

Sophia

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cam0940 says on Aug 26, 2005, 14:11:

I just spent some time reading other threads I read some scary stories. But again, it's like you said, the real question for me then is what is the likelihood that my fiancee (the newer generation, she's 28) would follow what was seen in her house? I am still going forward with it because she has proven to be a beautiful person. But I'm hiding the martillo, just in case.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 26, 2005, 15:22:

i'm just wondering if she has a machete too...you might want to hide that one too, just in case.
Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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rona says on Aug 26, 2005, 15:53:

cam - dude - sorry but . . . . . . your girl's family sound more ghetto than Colombian

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cam0940 says on Aug 26, 2005, 15:57:

lol Colombia has ghettoes too. But they live in 13 de Junio, not Olaya or Nelson Mandela. The sister who left the daughter is young. I attribute that decision to immaturity. The mother well, she greets me with a smile and a hug and she seems warm enough to me. But apparently if you cross her you better watch your 6.

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poco says on Aug 26, 2005, 16:16:

Count on it what is the likelihood that my fiancee (the newer generation, she's 28) would follow what was seen in her house?

She may have learned how to control (suppress) her behavior but generally, I’d say she has an excellent, 80% percent, probability of displaying the same characteristics.

Why would Colombia be different?

Technically the woman is NOT your mother-in-law. Your good fortune.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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rona says on Aug 26, 2005, 17:13:

my ex's family were like that, they're from Greeneville, South Carolina = Country AND Ghetto . . . LOL

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 26, 2005, 21:13:

How many dogs did your ex's family have living under the front porch?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Elbigie says on Aug 27, 2005, 07:05:

Strange, very strange. I would get all the stuff at home made out of plastic o foam or some soft material. Better not to take chances....

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vladimiro says on Aug 27, 2005, 09:10:

cuidado My Colombian mother in law has stabbed my father-in-law numerous times. She would wait until he was sleeping and stick a knife into his leg.

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cam0940 says on Aug 27, 2005, 09:55:

Vladimiro So then, how similar are your wife and her mother?

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 27, 2005, 19:34:

Mabe she thought he was like Maybe she thought he was like a turkey in the oven and she was just trying to tell if he was "done"?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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ws244 says on Aug 27, 2005, 21:41:

cam9 Well you put your own flag up which ought to tell you something. There are so many women down there put her on hold and look around. These latin girls have a temper which is part of their territory, but there are limits. She gets thrown out of the house, you may get thrown out of your own house later. You are the one doing her the favor, for she is there and wanting to come here. If you marry her you also marry her family. Life is too short.

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cam0940 says on Aug 27, 2005, 22:53:

WS244 I appreciate your comments. WS244 I was thinking about just that. The family seems nice enough, but the more I get to know them... See the thing is if one person has a problem, EVERYBODY shares the problem. That's fine for a support system and everything, but with a mother, father, six children and 2 grandchildren, someone ALWAYS has something going on in their life. And EVERYBODY gets involved. So it seems like there's ALWAYS something going on. Always some crisis. And my girlfriend sometimes loses sleep worrying about some situation one of the brother's has gotten into, or her sisters' relationships, or the parents fighting. She herself, is very rarely the "problem", because she is quietly preparing to leave the house. In the meantime, they are all so close, it's like my girlfriend is carrying the stresses of 8 people, not to mention aunts, uncles, and cousins. I don't want her to disassociate herself with the family altogether, but when she comes here I don't want her to bring the worries of all those people. Ideally, she would come to LA, focus on our future, and check in with the family in Cartagena by telephone every now and again, with maybe a couple of short vacations there each year. Does that sound realistic?

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 28, 2005, 08:11:

It depends on the woman. My wife separates herself from her family's problems. Of course she is concerned for them but she does not feel that it is our job to solve whatever financial or other woes beset them.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2005, 09:34:

Jerry Springer, Latin America version Knives, hammers, thrown out of the home, lots of kids, lots of fathers, very few husbands.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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quindioman says on Aug 28, 2005, 11:38:

la madre y el cuchillo listen....don't piss off a latin american woman.
I can write an elaborate post detailing the plethora of ocassions I witnessed domestic violence first hand, instigated by the fairer sex.
I still recall the monday morning I was preparing to head to school. I must have been no older than 11 years old, I was still in Primary school. One doesn't often see one's mother filling the air with expletives whilst arming herself with the kitchen's sharpest utensils. Never one to tilt the balance to favour her she was more than happy to chuck an extra knife in the way of my dad so he could at least defend himself from his wife's advances....crosses being engraved on the coridor walls followed by promises to kill or be killed and all before the milk had an opportunity to smoulder those Rice Krispies, sugar anyone?

The above recounting was one of many, many instances where my mother had been severely pissed off by my father, for one reason or another (it was ussually 'cause he came in pissed at 2am).
I see the same thing happening with my brother and his wife, now she is Ecuadorian but she seems to have taken a few classes from my mother...as for me, I got the shit kicked out of me for the first 15 years of my life, no wonder my room is so neat and tidy nowadays.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 28, 2005, 12:46:

I should've tried that one on my kids, quindioman...

I never saw any signs of domestic violence at my in-laws. My mother-in-law would've wrinkled her nose and said "la chusma". But the little lady had raised the art of cantaletear to dizzying levels of perfection.

I did know a gringo who lived in front of my in-laws and got beaten up by his ColombianMissus on regular basis.

Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 28, 2005, 13:27:

Ah yes, there's nothing like hearing my wife on one of her cantaletas directed at the kids. It's like a performance as she rips them a new culo to go with the one they already had.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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ws244 says on Aug 28, 2005, 13:35:

cam9 Plan on buying the family a computer plus paying for their internet access, as i doubt you could get away with her calling them every now and then. Down there one marries a family as the mexicans in south texas. Your problem is if she loses sleep now, in LA she will probably do the same. Can you find one with a smaller family..
This is a business deal like going to buy a car, with many makes and models available, etc. This may sound somewhat harsh but if you look at this in this manner it keeps one somewhat more balanced.

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