LA SELECTION COLOMBIANA will win today !!!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:14:

May the force be with you

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kernow62 says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:17:

I am 100% behind you Gomez and not in a gay way either. I just hope your "source unknown" is not your ass.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:34:

See Kat1 !! See what I put up with ? God bless you Kat1 !! But you see what I have to through with Kernow. He is just jealous.

Just a reminder....the game is live on Snail (Caracol)

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rona says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:34:

alright G5 - do your thing . . . . . . and as an incentive I'll send you some "Aguilas" to Chicago if your "mystical powers" pull out a win . . .

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:37:

Rona, I will hold you to that !! I will collect if we are victorious !!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:38:

What time is the game? because maybe is in my beauty sleep time.;-)

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:43:

Kat1!!!!!! They are playing now !!! Levanta te!!!! You can't sleep !!! Forget the sleep.

Besides you are beautiful with or without the sleep !!

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:50:

I'm doing something right 9 minutes into first half

Colombia 2

Ecuador 0

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ColombianoX says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:52:

YOU KEEP PRAYING, GOMEZ!!!


VAMOS PATRIA VAMOSSSSS



ColombianoX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 12:56:

Claro Casiiiiiiii ColX After their first goal, I got so excited in my office, I bit my lip!!
Not to mention the fact that I yelled and people came running into my office

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rona says on Jun 8, 2005, 13:04:

G5 keep yelling and screaming . . . . I'll keep your Aguilas cold for you . . .

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ryanrowedotcom says on Jun 8, 2005, 13:12:

Cold Aguilas GO COLOMBIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am following via colombia.com from my office...
this is awesome... two goals off the bat!!!!!
Kick some ass hermanos!!!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 8, 2005, 13:13:

shhhhhhhhh I can't hear :-)

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ryanrowedotcom says on Jun 8, 2005, 13:20:

i need a beer! i don't want to work anymore.
i can't concentrate!

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 13:24:

Work???Work??? I made up my mind that I was not even going to try to work!!!

I just have to worry about yelling to loud!!

VAMOS VAMOS VAMOS ---TODOS COLOMBIANOS EN EL MUNDO ENTERO --- MUY
FUERTE --------------V A M O S A G A N A R !

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 8, 2005, 13:26:

go home ryan relax...
I want a glass of wine!, and the only thing I have is peach water.

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ryanrowedotcom says on Jun 8, 2005, 13:28:

go home.. i wish can't go home... here in colombia on an internship and i don't call the shots hahaha
i feel like going to parque lleras tonight to party

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 13:33:

Peach water...... How about some Aguila or Aguardiente Nectar???

Peach water??? What has the UK done to you Kat.

The next thing you are going to tell me is that you are eating Kidney pie or something

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 8, 2005, 13:39:

G5 unfortunately I only drink wine nothing else,:-( and I haven't go none at home.
I quite like some liquors like sambuca,or grand manierd but I havent' got that either, oh well, where is the tomato juice to celebrate.....

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 14:03:

Kat1 I make great "Bloody Marys" Vodka (any decent one)
V8 Juice
Worcestershire sauce(to taste)
soy sauce (to taste)
Tobasco sauce -- a dash
Black pepper-a dash
celery seed
some fresh lime

Mix well. And there you are---It's great!~!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 8, 2005, 14:13:

I'll be to drunk with that G5, I will be cheering Ecuador too. ;-)

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 14:16:

3-0 Well, Well !!

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 14:38:

8 Goles en 2 dias-----increible

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kernow62 says on Jun 8, 2005, 14:47:

Good work Gomez, although to be fair you were the only one on the forum who thought Ecuador was a strong team. Everyone else knew they were weak away from Quito. Remember altitude and climate have nothing to do with it, it is all down to magic. ;-)

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kernow62 says on Jun 8, 2005, 14:53:

Front page news in El Tiempo right now. No mention of G5 though, I think we should start a letter writing campaign.

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rona says on Jun 8, 2005, 15:20:

G5 I've got some cold ones with your name on them - what's up?

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El CoLomBiaNo X says on Jun 8, 2005, 17:24:

listen up I got a comment ... i saw a few off your comment you left about colombian before... You had such a negative attitude toward them... and know your cheering them on. Im behind colombia 100% and wut about you? Only when we win? WE will always defy the odds. WE beat peru 5-0 ... we beat equador 3-0 ... wut else u wanna see man... colombia is such a great country and will do its best. Colombia deserves to verse anyone in the world. Once caldas won copa liberadores in 2004. Colombia won Copa America in 2002. We will win a world cup.. may not this time ... but maybe next time. Im glad to see you are actually with colombia this time. But i dont like some off the things u say about colombia . Eso no es lo que hace un Paisano. COLOMBIA VA A CLASSIFICAR A COPA ALEMANIA 2006.... IM not leaving a negatyive comment. COlombia won. Everythings cool. Just dont go around talking bad things like u said we wont win against peru and we have a less of a chance winning against Equador. Tienes que tener esperanza

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 17:37:

Kernow....that logic of yours again.......hmmmmm A few points as to me being "the only the forum who thought Ecuador was a strong team."

1. Only a few...maybe 7-10 people, on all of my posts, even addressed the issue. In fact, I did not see more than a few people comment either way about the strength of Ecuador's team. Even if 10 people said they were a lousy team (which they didn't) there is nothing scientific about the few people who commented either way about Ecuador. In fact, to take it a step further, almost nobody even commented either way about Ecuador until you raised the altitude issue, and then only 4-5 people at the most agreed with you.

2.Ecuador is a bitter rival of Colombia....almost as much as Argentina has in recent years. 4 years ago, it was Ecuador that shocked Colombia and I mean shocked them, since it was Ecuador's key victories that eliminated them. So the one sides people on this Go Go Colombia forum is about as objective as asking a vegetarian how good a prime rib is.
This is the last place I would come to seek an objective opinion about Ecuador/

3. Just search the net. If your Spanish is good enough, you might want to read last weeks El Mural, one of the largest's papers in Mexico about their assessment of Ecuador. They can be objective since they are not competing with them.

3.And, here you will have a tough come back Kernow. Who is Edison Mendez?? Well, I will help you. He is one of the best players in all of South America. He also plays for Ecuador. There are only 4 players in all of the South American league that has more goals then him. He has 5 goals in 14 matches. Prior to Saturday's game with Peru, Colombia as a team only had 12 goals in 13 matches. Well, in case you did not notice, he was unable to play today. That also might have something to do with why Ecuador did not play too well. Just maybe??
He has several assists in addition to those goals.

4. Sometimes you don't even recognize the ramifications of what you are saying. So if you and everyone else are implying that Ecuador is not that good of a team, then at the same time, you are minimizing the significance of Colombia's victory. That goes back to that logic thing and you. You cannot have it both ways. You can't say that Ecuador is not a good team, and then say Colombia had an impressive victory. I will stand on what I have said all along. Ecuador is an impressive team, and Colombia's 3-0 victory was far more impressive than the 5-0 victory they had over Peru, which by most peoples account, was not a very impressive team. Colombia looked excellent from both a defensive and offensive perspective.

I will say this. If you want to argue that climate affects a playing ability, I think there is something to the fact that playing in Barranquilla in the middle of the summer during the day, probably requires more "getting used to" than playing in the cool yet high altitude of Quito. You did not think about that possibility did you Kernow?

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ColombianoX says on Jun 8, 2005, 17:38:

Hey! There's room for only one ColombianoX on this board!



ColombianoX (el verdadero)

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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El CoLomBiaNo X says on Jun 8, 2005, 17:51:

my bad yo my bad... i didnt see you had a simliar name.. i use this name alot and its very similar to my email addresss... im very sorry for having almost the same names.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 17:58:

Here we Go....The first Go Go Colombia button head Here we go. The first Go Go Button head has spoken. And this is what you want to associate with as objective Kernow? It says something about you too Quote:

"i saw a few off your comment you left about colombian before... You had such a negative attitude toward them... and know your cheering them on. Im behind colombia 100% and wut about you? Only when we win? WE will always defy the odds. WE beat peru 5-0 ... we beat equador 3-0 ... wut else u wanna see man... colombia is such a great country and will do"

I stopped reading at the end of the quote, when he started with the silliness about the "Colombia is such a great country" nonsense. Yea Kernow......sounds like real objectivity here. I think these guys can write and evaluate soccer teams in some of Englands finest sport publications....Yea sure.

I really am happy that this guy made his post right next to mine. He just prooves my point of the type of goofy people that think Colombia is the greatest thing since...since....since...oh I know, Kidney pie.

Lastly, to prove how much of a Schmuck this guy is, he cannot even come up with an original name. How dare he steal the name of ColombianoX? He should be removed from here for that reason alone.

Speaking of ColX, way back in the early days (mine) we had some fairly heated debate. But, some PM ing and some explaining about where I am coming from and that I am not anti Colombia m but that I was not affraid of criticizing her when I thought it was in her best interests....anyway, he started to at least understand where I was coming from. He may not have agreed with me, but over we have both come to be friends, and have certain degree of mutual respect. We really did try to have a happy medium which we have to this day. Sometimes just getting to know a person better, as you come to do here, makes a difference in how you read other people's comments. ColX contributes a lot with his pro Colombia attitude. His posts are always interesting. Especially the ones that highlight the various important Colombian people and the contributions that they make to the world. Sometimes they go virtually unread, yet I always (when I am checking in) read the posts. So, I don't want to see someone try to assume ColX's position, and not be able to be more objective like Colx is.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 18:07:

i didnt see you had a simliar name.. Yea sure....Pure coincidence. ColX is a nice guy and he will probably believe you. I think that you knew quite about his name and you just hoped that he would not see yours. That's ok, at a minimum, Colx should be flattered, not so much that you lack originallity, as much as you thought he created a name that was so original, that you thought you could steal it, and get away with it on top of it.


Well, you assumed too much.

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kernow62 says on Jun 8, 2005, 18:13:

Yes, Gomez I am saying that beating Ecuador on your home turf is not that great. I am happy for Colombia, but I know that Ecuador outside of Quito in this qualifying, has not been impresssive. However they don't need to win on the road, if they win all their games at Quito they will qualify.

A few posts ago you were saying that you cannot say "what if" or "but" regarding a match. Now you are basically saying "but" Edison wasn't playing. Make up your mind Gomez.

Edison is a good player, but he plays better at home, since this was an away match I am not sure it would have pulled out a win for them in Barranquilla.

I would hardly say it was wisdom to predict this match.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 18:28:

Kernow.. Once again, you are taking what I said out of context. Or maybe its that American / British English thing.

There are always qualifier that are acceptable depending on the context you are using it in. You used it 3-5 times already when you implied that altitude was a factor in Ecuador's success at home.

It would be intellectually dishonest if you were to be in complete denial, and say that the absense of Mendez, who is clearly a top performer, could not at least be a "factor" as to why Ecuador played so poorly. I was amazed at half time....and somewhat scared to be honest, when I heard the Caracol announcers saying that Ecuador looked lazy "Pelisosos" and que apperecen como no llegaron...(they looked like they never arrived) man....that is really dangerous. Sometimes its words like that head back to the team that can motvate them to strike back and hard.

My point is, you can say "but" and "if" when done in the proper context.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 18:35:

By the way... Argentina is leading Brazil 3-0 at the begining of the second half. Don't forget, Kernow, Ecuador beat Argentina. OOOhhhhh I forgot, that is because they played in Quito.

You or nobody else still has been able to explain to me that if the altitude in Quito is the reason for Ecuador's success, than why did they just start gettin a winning record there 4 years ago? Why did they lose so may games in Quito in the eliminations the many years prior to 2002.

Can someone dream up an answer? Oh......I know, it must the greenhouse affect...or maybe it is El nino, or La nina...or maybe,,,it's the Kernow affect.

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ColombianoX says on Jun 8, 2005, 18:35:

Gomez,

Thanks for those kind words. I don't get to read nice things about me too often around here, since in one way or another I always end up fighting with people for standing up for my convictions. I also want you to know that I although I may not always agree with you, I too value your friendship. Saludes,


"yo my bad... i didnt see you had a simliar name.. i use this name alot and its very similar to my email addresss... im very sorry for having almost the same names."

El CoLomBiaNo X,

It's ok, man. Now that I think about it, maybe more than one ColombianoX wouldn't be such a bad thing after all, he he he.


Saludes,

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 18:48:

My pleasure Cx Friends we are indeed. And you have a point regarding your twin. IF you can use a little help......I'll buy that. But at least the guy has to learn to be a bit more diplomatic. I don't know this character from a whole in the while. I really did pray for a Col victory. We got a superb play, we are all celebrating, and then he comes on here to start trouble At least he could have waited until tomorrow to jump on my case.

Anyway, I am sure you are excited to know that Mexico just beat that awsome team--Trinidad!!! ja ja ...That was clearly a joke. The US is ahead of Panama 2-0 , 30 minutes into the first half.

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El CoLomBiaNo X says on Jun 8, 2005, 18:50:

Colombiano X im extremly sorry for taking your user name... i highly respect you and your name... You a very nice person too.... i swear if i saw the name you had i wouldnt have made this name.... another thing to gomez... i told colombiano x im sorry for everything... i dont mean to be disrespectful but why do youthink i should be banned for using his name... you dont belive me ... i dont need you to belive me... i alredy said that i didnt see his name and i used it.... i dont want to be disrespectful to you or COlombiano X so im not gonna comment about anything you guys say... im sorry for caring about colombia so much and not liking bad comments about it... i just like to stick up for colombia... im sorry

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ColombianoX says on Jun 8, 2005, 19:02:

"i just like to stick up for colombia... im sorry"

Don't ever feel sorry for sticking up for Colombia, my young padawan...be sorry if you don't!!


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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El CoLomBiaNo X says on Jun 8, 2005, 19:05:

THANKS Gracias man, si tu me entiendes bien.. i feel like you understand me good. By the way , when the next time colombia plays?

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El CoLomBiaNo X says on Jun 8, 2005, 19:05:

THANKS Gracias man, si tu me entiendes bien.. i feel like you understand me good. By the way , when the next time colombia plays?

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ColombianoX says on Jun 8, 2005, 19:09:

They play again in September, when the World Cup qualifiers resume. But I believe they will play a friendly against Australia in august and they'll also participate in this years Gold Cup this summer.

Salues,

CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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kernow62 says on Jun 8, 2005, 19:29:

Gomez Ecuador plain sucked before the last world cup qualifying, they couldn't win anywhere. Obviously the team improved but still their wins were in Quito. Home field advantage, altitude they all help. Look at Mexico city as an example. Even the US players said that altitude was a big factor in them losing, they simply ran out of gas.

By the way I am using my magic powers to ensure the US don't lose to Panama. ;-)

Did you notice that some of the Colombian players said that the confidence they gained playing against England in the friendly is what helped them win the last two matches. So you have my fellow countrymen to thank. Please don't send me any pissy beer as a thanks.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 21:32:

Kernow....why are you making my argument???? That logic thing again.

You are only repeating what I said. My previous entry:

"they just started gettin a winning record there 4 years ago?"
But my question is for the umteenth time is this::::::read closely:::

IF THE ALTITUDE WAS THE REASON WHY ECUADOR DID BETTER AT HOME AND THUS GAVE THEM THE HOME TEAM ADVANTAGE, THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS PLAYED ---ALWAYS THROUGHOUT HISTORY PLAYED WELL AT HOME. But they have not. Therefore, since they have only playing well for the last 4-5 years, simple logic dictates that the reason they are doing well, has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ALTITUDE, and in fact has to do with the quality of players that the team has.

If altitude has an affect on a teams performance, Ecuador should have been playing well for decades, and not just a few years. The fact that their home performance is only recently good means that they are quite simply, and nothing more, a team that plays well at home. This stuff about altitude is a bunch of BORSHT and you only made my argument all the more.....Think about it.

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kernow62 says on Jun 8, 2005, 21:42:

Colombia was untroubled at Ba I think you are the one having trouble understanding the effects of altitude or outright denying they exist. A very poor team that is used to playing at altitude might still not have enough of an advantage to qualify, but a team that has improved might have enough of an advantage to win. You will also note Argentina's decision not to subject its best players to the altitude, how many other coaches rest their best players in Quito?

By your own reasoning a team of trained athletes should be able to overcome altitude or lack thereof, or the climate factor.

Why don't you explain why Ecuador can hardly win a point outside of Quito, do they suddenly become a mediocre team?

Gomez read this from the press. You will note they make mention of the heat and altitude.

Colombia was untroubled at Barranquilla, while Ecuador buckled in 40-degree C heat coming down from altitude and its 2-0 upset of Argentina on Saturday.

Tressor Moreno scored two goals within the first nine minutes, and Martin Arzuaga completed the rout with another in the 70th minute. Juan Pablo Angel set up the last two goals.

After crushing Peru 5-0 on Saturday, Colombia has scored eight goals without conceding any in four days, indicating the rapid turnaround in fortune under former under-20 coach Reinaldo Rueda, who was appointed in January. Since then, the team has won twice, drawn once, and lost to Argentina 1-0, but more importantly returned to qualifying contention.

You still haven't answered why the US team bitched about the altitude being a problem in Mexico City, were they just sore losers, or does an attorney in Chicago know more about athletes than the US coach. Were they just making excuses for a very poor performance?

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ElCheAmericano says on Jun 8, 2005, 21:44:

So how is it THAT They have not one 1 qualifier on the road, the best they have done is 1 time. Should'nt a good team play well whether at home or on the road. Obviously it is easier to play at home but come on give me a break, they have 23 points at home and 1 point on the road. Thats a huge difference, I would think. I'm not saying there are a bad team cause know a days there really arent any bad teams, except for Bolivia they just plain suck balls. They are just an average team, better then the Ecuadorian sides that came before them. But they are good enough to win at home were even in times past this wasnt a reality, but still not good enough to win anywhere else. Ecuador has just been very fortunate to take advantage of other teams (Uruguay and Colombia for example) not playing to there full potential

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 8, 2005, 22:11:

So Kernow, you are saying that just Ecuador places well at home and poorly on the road, altititude is the only explanation for that. Well, I guess you don't watch much professional sports. You never heard of the concept that some teams are bad "road teams."

A few years ago, the Chicago White Sox was one of the best road teams in all baseball, but they could not win on the road. They had an incredible 850 home record but the road record was pathetic making them a 400 team. And the same went for the Miami Dolphons at one time, and everyone remembers the Chicago Bulls which had one of the best team in basketball history. They were unbeatable at home. But their road tean although very good, it never approached the home team performance. The same can be said of the Montreal Canadians in Hockey.

And as to why the US bithced about their performance at Mexico City, yea your right, they were just sore losers looking for excuses. I follow Mexican football all the time. Teams all over Mexico win and loose in Mexico City. Look, the US lost 2-1. They did not get killed. IF they would have lost 3-1 or 4-1 and had looked tried, I might have agreed. But how about this Kernow..maybe...just maybe the fact that there were 115,000 (by the way, you don't know too many staduims bigger) screaming Mexican fans cheering on their home team, that might have been the reason they lost in Mexico City. Huh????What do you think of that? By the way, I have been there. The stadium has 114,500 seats. There are at least another 5000 people that they cram into the place everywhere. Get the point...Altitude again...right!

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jun 9, 2005, 01:27:

GMAN



After perusing this thread and your comments in the others I have to admit I quite admire your ability to be utterly objective, to the point where you would admit another country should take Colombia's place based on the fact that they deserve it because 'statistically' (and you know what I think of them!) they play the beautiful game better - I further admire your ability to argue the point to death - If you change your profession you could comfortably be a tabloid sports journalist here in England.

I say 'Go Go Colombia' for no other reason that I really find them more interesting than Ecuador and, because of their history, lend the WC more glamour - which will give England more legitamacy as champions when we win it!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 9, 2005, 02:56:

Men and football...:-(

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kernow62 says on Jun 9, 2005, 04:41:

Gomez re-read my post http:// Gomez re-read my post

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/node/10331#comment-71906

Clearly states home field as an advantage, not just altitude. You obviously didn't watch the same US team as I did, the Mexicans dominated the entire match and because of some poor finishing the score was what it was. The match could have easily been 4 to 1 the Mexicans dominated that much. The US wasn't even in the match for the most part. It was like watching Manchester United take on Northwich Vics. (sorry lads) I am glad you are in agreement that the US are sore losers, they aren't alone. I know nothing of this game you call baseball, is it a bit like rounders? It used to be popular with the girls back home. Who are the White Sox?

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2005, 05:34:

Kernow, since you live in the US, you should know that baseball is referred to as "America's Pastime". You might also be interested in knowing that it is the second most popular sport in Latin America---mostly in Mexico and the Nortern part of South America. In fact, Baseball is more popular in the caribean are and in Venezuela. That exlains why Venezuelan soccer teams are never too good. Venezuela has contributed more players to Major league baseball than any other country in South America.....and please don't attempt to say Colombia has. That may account for the fact why Colombia has a better soccer team. In fact about more than %30 of major league baseball is Latino.

So, that said, since you love our culture and people so much, you might want to expand out horizon.

The best news about us Latinos, is that the ceusus bureau reported yesterday that 1 and 7 people living in the US are...........guess?
L A T I N O !!!! I think it is time to expan our base by taking a ship over the Atlantic and start to invade the UK. This way I can take be the sportswriter that BlondJamesBlond says I should be. I can comment on sports with a Latin view in mind. In fact, I will force everyone Tony and Parliament to change the name of Big Ben to El Reloj Grande

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kernow62 says on Jun 9, 2005, 08:22:

Wow you are so knowledgeable, who'd have thought beisbol was popular in Venezuela. Is that what those diamond shaped playing fields were in Cartagena?

Here I was thinking we Brits only gave you your American football and soccer, now it turns out we gave you beisbol as well.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2005, 08:35:

The Brits gave us Borscht!! They certainly did not contribute anything any where in the world in terms of cusine. "A British restaurant", "British Food", --what is that??

There "ain't" none in Chicago. And if it does not exist here, you will not find it anywhere else in the country.

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quindioman says on Jun 9, 2005, 08:45:

borscht?? I thought that wasHungarian or Easter European
Gman...a few things.....I really believe altitude has something to do with their performances, coupled also with the fact that they have some decent players.....I believe the reason they never qualified before was because they were not producing the talent and I also belive there was no infrastucture set in place....they have made noticeable progress (mind you a lot of teams have stepped up a gear or two-just look at the last world cup) and i completely agree with the poster who compared this Ecuadorian team with that of the Bolivian in 94 (I couldn't think of a better comparison).
On the British food thing..the Brits were never known for being fine purveyors of haute cuisine but the times have changed and chefs like Gary Rhodes who has done so much for British cuisine, Gordon Ramsay (ex Rangers football player with a temper to boot-but what a chef) and Heston Blumenthal (self taught chef who has just earned a 3rd michelin star for the Fat Duck) have contributed to the recent rise of the modern british cuisine

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kernow62 says on Jun 9, 2005, 10:40:

What about steak and kidney pie? mmm now I am drooling all over the keyboard. What do you mean there are no British restaurants in Chicago, well there is another reason not to visit. We have loads of them around here, plenty from Boca down to Miami, Tampa plenty in California when I was out there. Guess Chicago isn't as cosmopolitan as you thought.

I forgot the US was a bastion of haute cuisine, lets see, grits, scrapple, rocky mountain oysters, government cheese and pissy beer. Yeehaw!!!

Anyway we weren't talking about food we were discussing Colombian football, once upon a time.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2005, 12:51:

Yea yea Kernow.....whatever you say.

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carter says on Jun 9, 2005, 13:14:

Don't want to get in another Football argument with someone who refers to the Keeper as a Goaltender,

but If you can't see a huge advantage in a home team playing at high altitude you should be talking football on the teletubbies webpage with people who have the same amount of sports knowledge as you.

Have you ever been to a high altitude? walk up a street in La Paz and some old lady will walk past you carrying ten kilos of potatoes on her back while you´re stopping for your tenth break in 30 metres, Go to Nepal where 70 year old men walk the same distance in one day as a German does in three who has been in training for a week with his high tech gear. Get out the Airport at Quito and walk to the Taxi. You´ll be stuffed your lungs are burning.

Doesn't matter if you are an athlete or not and this is how it is for the Colombians, Argentinians and Brazilians who have to return from Europe to play. Angel lives in England where the biggest hill is 18.2 metres. But the canteen on the hill cooks a fine roast. Ohh thats right English foods crap but Im vegetarian and wouldn't know a decent roast, Cornish pastie or Scones with Jam.

There is a reason why atheletes go to high altitudes to train before events. A reason why Kenyans are the worlds best long distance runners.

Yes it is difficult for these teams to then come and play on the coast in hot weather but there lungs are able to take in more oxygen in one breath than a person who lives at low altitude so that advantage continues with them. Heat is still a factor but no where near as strong.

Get an average person and get them to run for as long as they can in 40 degree heat and then do the same at 3000m and you'll see the difference.

Yes other factors make a home ground advantage but altitude is the ultimate. Atheletes go to High altitude to train before the Olympics in a huge variety of different sports do you think this for the view?

If you want further proof look at Bolivias record
Home 4 wins 1 draw 2 losses
Away 8 Losses

Maybe its the home team support???????????

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jun 9, 2005, 13:30:

Conclusive Proof Remember Lennox Lewis being beaten by that joke of a boxer Haseem Rahman in Johannesburg (High altitude city)

Lennox thought it might be more fun to film a cameo appearance in Oceans Eleven then turn up in Johannesburg a week before the fight, train a little bit and despatch this journeyman.

Rahman spent a month or two out in Johannesborg acclimatising.

The result - one of the biggest upsets in recent boxing history - Lewis looked sluggish from the start (probably from walking to the ring) and was duly knocked out by the chump Rahman in the 5th round.

Anyone who thinks altitude doesn't affect professional athletes doesn't really know about sport.

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kernow62 says on Jun 9, 2005, 16:54:

Carter there are many good vegetarian pasties, in fact in the old days when meat was scarce that is often all you had. I like a likky pasty, that is one with potato and leek. The traditional pasty with turnip, steak, onion and potato is still my favourite but herby pasties are OK. I also don't mind the newfangled cheese and onion ones. Of course getting a decent pasty outside of Cornwall is not easy. I have tried them in Upper Peninsula Michigan and Mineral point Wisconsin as well as Grass Valley and they aren't like the ones form home in Cornwall. I think I am going to have to get to Australia and go to Moonta to taste one of theirs. I have a few standing invitations to visit pals in the area. In Mexico in Pachuca they have "pastis" I believe they are called, of course like Moonta and Chile & parts of Brazil these are places where the pasty was exported and adapted to local ingredients.

It is interesting how things we associate as being Colombian are actually an import. Many of us PBH posters enjoy arepa de huevo which was actually introduced to Colombia early in the 1900s by the Syrians, it was modified and became part of the Colombian diet in no time.

I tried being a vegetarian for a while but my hosts were Krishnas and they don't eat any root vegetables, that was more than I could handle. I couldn't live without poto, onion, leek etc.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2005, 17:38:

Look Kernow, if you want to argue football, that is one thing. But when you Brits start talking about your gross cuisine, you gross me out....and I imagine most others too.

You can say what you want, but food from the UK, is somewhere very low on the list in terms of popularity on an international scale. I;m sure some demented gringo here in Chicago seeks out a restaurant with British food (I know of none). But there are crazy people everywhere. I don't know of any person, not one, that says anything good about food from your country. I asked my Dr friend, who get wined and dined by all the drug companies to get him to write their scripts, if he has ever been treated to British food.....He laughed. And he knows every top restaurant with every type of food in Chicago. Forget it Kernow. Keep in mind, there is only one city that rival Chicago in terms of restuarants....and that is New York. So if it does not fly here, and doesn't make it anywhere in this country

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juanalejo says on Jun 9, 2005, 17:43:

Kernow I love roast lamb with mint sauce and new potatoes. And nothing like a full English Breakfast. There is a new place in Bogota which is supposed to serve a nice one. It is called Double Decker.

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kernow62 says on Jun 9, 2005, 20:05:

Thanks Juanalejo, hopefully it will still be in business when I get back to Bogotá next year. ;-)

If you find the address send me a PM. I might get a hankering for some British food whilst in Bogotá. Although with all the good Colombian fare I somehow doubt it, but it might be nice to visit.

Gomez you are basing the British food by an American misconception, based on food in wartime and post wartime rationing by returning GIs. At a time when Britain was under severe food rationing there was little to be creative with. This rationing lasted long after the war, and unfortunately became a part of British cuisine, heck I grew up on porridge for breakfast, baked beans on toast for lunch and at tea time I was lucky to get a peanut butter sandwich. However go to England now and you will see what fine cooking is being done, not only in international foods but in traditional English fare, you would be amazed at the quality that can be had. I will admit that British food is not to everyone's taste but it isn't as bad as the sterotypical image portrayed in America. In fact almost all American cuisine has some basis in European food and much of what Americans consider traditional is based on British food. I doubt if you have even tasted British cooking unless you have been to an English or Irish pub, a place where real beer is served unlike an American bar.

Is Chicago really that dereft of pubs? Here are a few I found, I am sure there must be more as we have more than that in hick town Orlando. Try The Duke of Perth, my friend tells me the food is good, you can try a real pint at the same time. It has to beat Jewish cuisine.

The Abbey Pub - 3420 West Grace Street, Chicago, (773) 478 4408.
Irish pub which shows Six Nations Rugby, English Premier League Games,
and Great Celtic bands, visit there website at www.AbbeyPub.com



The Red Lion - 2446 North Lincoln Ave, Chicago,
(773) 348 2695. The only proper British pub in Chicago.
Has great food, nice brews, friendly staff and a
great atmosphere. Visit there website at:
www.TheRedLionPub.com



Gingers Ale House - 3801 North Ashland Avenue, Chicago, (773) 348 2767.
British/Irish pub, great selection of beers, shows English Premier League Games, Six Nations Rugby, very reasonably priced menu, and legend has it that Bono has visited there! Visit there website at www.GingersAleHouse.com

The Duke of Perth (Scottish Pub) - 2913 North Clark Street, Chicago,
(773) 477 1741. Great Scottish restaurant, vast array of Scotch Whiskey's, great atmosphere and food.

Fado (Irish Pub) - 100 West Grand Avenue, Chicago, (312) 836 0066, visit their website at www.FadoIrishPub.com/Chicago.html


The Celtic Knot - 626 Church Street, Evanston,
(847) 864 1679, Good food, reasonable prices,
Welsh flags outside, well worth the trip to
Evanston to have a look. www.CelticKnotPub.com

Bridget McNeils Pub (Irish Pub) - 420 West Belmont, Chicago, (773 248 6654). Great cod & chips cooked in Newcastle Brown.

Johnny O'Hagans (Irish Bar) - 3374 North Clark Street, Chicago, (773) 248 5545 or visit there website at www.Johnnyohagans.com

The Elephant and Castle (Brit Bar) - 102 West Adams, Chicago.
A brand new British pub in the heart of the Loop. Good food and drinks, but a bit on the pricey side.

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carter says on Jun 10, 2005, 08:54:

Whats US cuisine McDonalds, Burger King and KFC?

I have been to both the US and UK

Id have to say the US lacks decent food at a good price but maybe I was looking in the wrong places.

Go to Melbourne or Toronto where you can pick up a nice Thai curry for $4 US. have a good meal from a different place in the world everynight for under a fiver.

Couldn't find that in the US if your foods so good why are there so many fat bastards eating Burgers everyday?

One thing about you Brits though why did you have to try and change curries. The british Indian food is rank but you love it. Give me a real Indian curry anyday.

Kernow want a good Pastie go visit my mum. Cooks a great pastie. You get good pasties all over Australia. People ask me about typical food from Aus and I explain that other than eating Roo we have exported everything. I tell them about the Pastie and how its the same as an empanada just cooked healthier with a nicer filling and they can't believe that the idea came from England.

I have never heard of a US restaurant.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 10, 2005, 09:03:

I love cornish Pasties, and cornish cream with strawberries and a glass of pink champagne. :-)uhmmm paradise

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 10, 2005, 09:41:

Carter, Carter you can't find enough nice to say about the US Sure Carter....that's all the US has, KFC, McDonald's and Burger King.
I can tell you know a lot about the US don't you?

May I suggest the followning web site so that you may expand your horizons beyond the big three fast food restaurants.

http://www.zagat.com/

You can find their directory in any book store in the US as well.

One more thing, I guess you were unaware about how excited Colombian's were to have a McDonald's. The first one were opened in Bogota, in the best areas of the North side, with waitresses and peoole to seat you. They were so busy at the one in Andino, they actually had to create a seperate dessert ordering counter. I never in my life saw a McDonald's so busy. That is how hated American fast food is in Colombia. By the way, next door to the McDonald's is what????? I'll help you. A KFC. Oh well

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 10, 2005, 09:42:

And Kernow....as to your taste of England in Chicago Your own post proves my point....100 times over again. Let's see, Chicago, a city rivaled by none but New York for restaurants, and you post 6, ONLY six restaurants that you claim has British food. Well, let me enlighten you.

1. The Abbey Pub I have been to many times. There is nothing British about that place. It's all Irish in every respect. The outside is Green letters with Shamrocks.. The inside has all the Irish stuff including the Irish flag and by the way, no flag of the UK. So whoever did the research and posted it on line, obviously has never been there. I have been there dozens of times as it is about 10 minutes from my home.

2. The Red Lion. I have been there several times as well. It is an excellent place. The food is Scottish and Irish. The Food is great. But it does not have kidney pie on the menu. I should know. Here is what it does have:
Bangers and Mash
fish and Chips
Rack of Lamb
Rare roast beef with Yorkshire Pudding
Roast Grouse with Parsnips and Currants (Quite good !)
Geordie Taddie stew --also good, except I have no idea what it was
Queens scallops sauted in butter and lemon with whole meal bread -good

Ok, I forgot about the Red Lion but everyone I know likes the place


The Duke of Perth---so so food......by anyone's standards---by the way, it is less than a mile from my house

Johnny O'Hagans----is also %100 Irish, nothing British at all
It's also about 5 blocks from my house. It's kind of new (a couple of years)

McNeils---Irish again....been there...near the house too. Great Fish and Chips, cole slaw and fries

Celtic Knot--is NOT a British restaurant. It is more like an Irish Pub but somewhat sophisticated. It has all kinds European food with a touch of English. No kidney or liver here pal. It has a Shepherd's Pie, but as you know that is made with ground beef. The prices are reasonable, and the portions are so - so.

Elephant and Castle---I know nothing about
Fado---the same..I know nothing about
Ginger's Ale....British...never been there so cannot comment

Ok...so...you made my point. Here we are in Chicago, and you name 9 places---just nine. And of those nine, only 5 0r 6 can be considered really British. That alone makes my point. Do you know how many thousands of restaurant representing every part of the world we have, and you come up with less than a half a dozen true British restaurants??? You are funny. My point is made. Nobody cares much for British Cuisine.

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carter says on Jun 10, 2005, 10:24:

but all the restaurants in Zagats advertise International cuisine

so are we talking about traditional US cuisine compared to traditional British Cuisine.

Or are we talking about which cities have the best restaurants?

Sure lots of people like junk food. Its popular all over the world and the US are famous for making the addictive products sold in these stores whats your point.

Your not trying to argue that Mac Donalds is fine cuisine are you???????????

Can someone just tell me what the F$%& is US cuisine? Just answer that Freakin question for me. If US Cuisine is an Asian serving up
good noodles well Gomezman you can find that in the UK and its bloody delicious the world over.

Kernow has listed a number of good traditional meals including the pasty which myself and Kat agree is very good. Now without you skipping about the question lets here some traditional US fanfare. Something your amazing chefs invented themselves?

Your right Gman I know little about the US as I have only spent 2 months of my life there a small time in comparison to how long Ive spent elsewhere. (Probably about equal to your time spent in Colombia.) So No I am not an expert and I have never visited Chicago so if there is some traditional food from Chicago that Ive never heard of please educate me, thats why Im here.

Im sure the city has some fine international restaurants and I won't argue about that as does London, NY, Melb, Toronto and every other International city in the world. But whats this US cuisine that the US are hiding from the rest of the world?

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2005, 10:26:

Gomez, You obviously don't know Scottish and Irish food from English because every single dish you names including those you said were quite good are in fact English not Irish or Scottish. I don't know if Americans in general get the foods mixed up, but you will find that many dishes Americans consider Irish are also just as common in England. However without exception you only mentioned English food. Where do you think Geordies come from?

I posted them because they serve British food, not whether they have an Irish or Scottish theme to them.

I don't suppose that can be all of them, but if it is it simply means that we in Orlando are once again blessed (or cursed depending on who you are talking to) with more British eateries.

I am now convinced more than ever that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, not food, not football and even only slighly knowledgeable about Colombia. Don't know about tejo for goodness sake! I think you just like to argue which given your career is fitting.

Carter there are a few American restaurants in the UK in London, places like TG Fridays and stuff, but the cuisine if it can be called that is a hodge podge of different cultures. Buffalo chicken wings and slices of celery with blue cheese is one American dish I like, as well as a good bowl of chilli. I am not going to badmouth American cuisine because outside of America it is even less known than British food.

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2005, 10:28:

Kat you know that Cornish cream goes straight to the thighs. I could live on the stuff. We can't buy it here in the US, only Devon cream which is also good but not quite as good.

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carter says on Jun 10, 2005, 10:55:

TGI Friday Of course Bufalo wings forget them, very good. Not that inventive though, marinating a chicken wing but yes they have managed to create a sauce. Amazing what a few million minds can come up with whn you put them together. Did they also come up with onion rings. Deep frying something BRILLIANT. Chili is a US invention then hats off for that a good Chili is something I appreciate. Cheese on salary I thought I invented that when I was 5 and going through a stage of putting everything on celery or Carrot.

TGI Fridays. I have eaten there. They exist in alot of countries Ive visited and I´d have to say the food was crap. Especially for the price I paid. But I never really thought of it as North American cuisine as they have other International fair on the menu. Maybe they couldn't think of enough things US to fill the menu.

I was a lucky kid growing up. My mum was a restaurant reviewer and as a result we got a chance to eat in many fine restaurants ordering what ever we want without a care for the bill. Some nights Id eat out 5 nights but you get a bit sick of that after awhile. Best food in the world is still mums Veg Lasagna. There better be one of them sitting on the table when I head back in November.

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2005, 10:55:

G5 whilst Chicago may be number 2 to NYC in number of restaurants it is a distant second, NYC has over 18000, Chicago has over 6000 and measly little Orlando has over 5000. So you would be better comparing Chicago to Orlando in terms of number of restaurants. I suppose that is why we have more British restaurants because we get more British tourists than does Chicago.

By the way you know that number 2 means shit. ja ja

As a matter of fact I feel a number 2 coming on about now, excuse me whilst I take a Chicago. ja ja

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:03:

I know kernow, but I can't resist it, I go to this hotel in charlestown in Corwall and they made a delicious cornish cream with strawberries. What they said one minute on the lips forever on hips

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:11:

I'm sure mum will have the veggie lasagna waiting for your arrival. Nice comfort food. I am not a vegetarian but I prefer a good veggie lasagna to most meat ones.

My mum is sick of me pestering her for Cornish pasties or saffron cake, she says it is high time my wife learned to cook!

Kat nobody wants a drainpipe for a woman, those handles come in very handy as I'm sure you know. ;-) What is it about 1000 calories per teaspoonful?

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:23:

Carter...... So Carter, let me understand something. It is your contention that the US has no tradionally American food that is worth mentioning. Am I correct?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. And so what planet do you live on that info on American food has not arrived.

You know, that contention is so silly, I can't understand how you can even begin to make such a contention? I am not even going to waste my time on such silliness. I will say this, as a group of people, there is no country in the world, albeit this is partly true because of American wealth, that is more familiar than a variety of the different foods that people eat from alll over the world. American often dine out for the purpose of experiencing food that others eat in other part of the world. I don't know where you live Carter, but the United States, is the most diverse country on the planet. And given the fact that we have so many people from so many countries, and that Americans have the wealth to eat out regulary, it stands to reason that when Americans eat out, they eat ethnic foods to probably a greater degree than they eat their own.

Also, the Zagat's directory has American cuisine as well as ethnic. American cuisine tends to be regional. Even Barbequed cooking varies by region.

Fianlly, I did not say that McDonald's is the best or represents the best of American food. I just said it is popular and is more popular in countries around the world----including Colombia, then it is here

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:37:

Kernow......you're wrong again,,,and it's your own doing Look genious, the very web sites that you posted above, I visited to see how they described themselves......And guess what? They themselves, the owners of the establishments described themselves as Irish/scottish. What do you say to that Mr.Guru on British food. That's fine, you can say that I don't know what I am talking about, but would you dare say that the owners of the restaurants who create their own web sites don't know what they are talking about either????? Tell me that. Or in one case, I saw a review of the restaurant, and they also reffered to it as scottish/irish. Your hair splitting. \

British food in general is nothing extraordianry and you can bla bla until the cows come home, if you want to call a few restaurants 4,5, 6 or even 9, restaurants, in Chicago, as indicative of the presence of cuisine in demand, then you and Carter don't know what popular cusine is.

And as to your knowledge of football/soccer....you still have not explained to me why, if the altitude in Quito reeks havoc on all visiting teams, but Ecuador forges ahead because they are used to the enviornment, than.....why did Ecuador just become a good team in the last 4 years, and prior to that they sucked (by your own admission). Logic (you have little of that) that if the altitude was the major factor that accounts for Ecuador's fine play at home, they should have always played well at home...every year. But they didn't. Unless of course you think that the altitude made a sudden change in 2002, unkike any prior year, therefore giving Ecuador the distinct advantage. I will give you the number of a sports writer at the Chicago Tribune who covers the Chicago Fire. He said he would be glad to back me up. He said your argument makes no sense.

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carter says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:40:

Gman
"It is your contention that the US has no tradionally American food that is worth mentioning." Im not saying that, your saying it by failing to mention one. It seems to me that there is no US food worth you mentioning. That is the only conclusion that I can come to why you haven't mentioned any.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:45:

And your source Kernow as to number of restaurants? I am sure it is a highly credible one too? A number that can easily be confirmed can't it???

Kernow....quit, you're almost as illogical as so many other of the simplistic and unelightened characters on this site. Almost....

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carter says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:46:

Back to the Footy I answered your q on why Ecuador have started winning.

forgot you can't read. Didn't have your son there to read you back the replies yesterday Gman.

They have gone from being an extremly shit team to a competitive team. They have improved, this is something that can happen to a team
after training, re organising, getting some good players etc.

This happens in most sports ask your friend who writes for the paper to read this out to you and then explain how a team in any sport can in fact improve.

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carter says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:48:

Back to food I don't think out of the 20 discussions we've had you have ever answered one of my questions no matter how plainly I print it before your eyes. Either as Ive mentioned before you are in fact an idiot or wait can't think of another reason. Everytime you get asked a question your answer is generally Im not going to warrant that with an answer.

You can talk in circles all you like but it just makes you seem stupider and stupider. When asked a question in court do you just ignore it? Play dumb? god help anyone you represent.

You have travlled very little in your life if you think chicago is the only international city in the world where people have the money to eat out and try the foods of the world everynight. As Ive mentioned above London, Toronto and Melbourne also are lucky enough to have this oppurtunity as do many others. After living in all three of these cities I can tell you the food is on par with one another in regards to diversity and quality.

Where am I from. Im Australian and I live in Colombia if you do not know that by now it proves you never read the replies to your arguments or there is more than one Gman which would explain why you constantly contradict yourself.

So what have I learned about US cuisine from Gman today. Its regional and they barbecue things. Thankyou for your insite on US cuisine your always a wealth of information on every topic you choose to post on.

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carter says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:50:

Kernow, what did you think of my finishing predictions in the Col 3 - Ecuador 0 post.

If chile beats Brasil where in a bit of trouble

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 10, 2005, 11:51:

"It is your contention that the US has no tradionally American food that is worth mentioning. Am I correct?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. And so what planet do you live on that info on American food has not arrived."
(Gomezman to Kernow)

I happen to live on one of those rare planets too.

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jun 10, 2005, 12:01:

Food or Footy My pocket London restaurant guide American section reads

Dakota
Montana
Navajo Joe
Cactus Blue
Sticky Fingers

Yes, They are as sophisticated as they sound - it is amazing the many different ways you can dress up a TGI Friday's!

In the interest of balance, in the British section comes the world famous restaurant The Ivy - possibly the hardest restaurant in London to secure a reservation at - quality of the food, service and clientel, don't you know.

London rivals NYC as the fine cusine and top drawer restaurant capital of the world - I've never heard Chicago mentioned in that respect.

Carter

Kewell is crap, you Aussies are better off without him, speaking as an Everton fan, Cahill is 100 times the player, pure class, and he should fire you guys to the World Cup no probs.

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juanalejo says on Jun 10, 2005, 12:12:

Brainwashed I have never seen somebody that has been so brainwashed by the government of the US of A. Why is it that the opinion of those from the US of A is always 180 degrees in opposition of the rest of the world? Must be that the rest of the world is wrong. By the way KFC went bust in Colombia, they closed down 90% of their restaurants. They could not keep up with the competition. Nothing like a nice Kokoriko. Same goes for Wendy's could not keep up with El Corral. That KFC in Andino has been an El Corral for the last few years.

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2005, 13:44:

No hope when the post starts out Look genious. ja ja

Yes, G5 I would tell those Scottish or Irish owners that the dishes mentioned are English. I think if you actually talked to them you would find that with the possible exception of the grouse which could be more Scottish than English, all those dishes are traditionally thought of as English.

When people think of Scottish or Irish food they don't usually think of food from Yorkshire or from Newcastle. The fact is they might be Irish or Scottish establishments but the examples of food you mentioned from these restaurants is not.

As I have said before if you like Irish food you will like English food, same goes for the beers although I prefer Irish stout. If you don't like Irish food well you obviously won't like Irish food. As for Scottish food I am not too familiar with it. I have had some of the best poached salmon I have ever tasted in Scotland, on the other hand I have eaten deep fried Mars bars and pizzas with baked beans on in Scotland too.

G5 if you don't like Irish food that is OK, I don't like Jewish food much either, we all have different tastes.

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2005, 13:47:

Carter I thought the predictions you posted are pretty much spot on, time will tell, but if I were to place money on the matches I would lean toward your predictions.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 10, 2005, 13:56:

I have been brainwashed by the American government. I have fallen victim to the tactics of George Bush and the Republican party. Carter has all the answers ---- his most brilliant observation is....of course.....that I am an idiot. I am also illiterate he claims and an idiot, and stupid (and stupider), can't read, poor lawyer. Carter, thank you for being so kind.

All, I know is that while Colombians line up for hours and hours, seeking a visa and will do almost anything to come to the US. Strange creatures like yourself move from a wonderful country like Australia, to live in Colombia. And I am supposed to believe that you have all your marbles. But that's ok, your leaving Australia, sure makes all that country all the more wonderfull.

Carter, your anti American, and (Kernow's as well) agenda does much to solidify the base of conservative thinkers in this country. I will give you credit for one thing. It is all too apparent that you do not like the US, so you decided not to live here. I wish those immigrants who do live here, and don't seem to like anything American from their food, to their sports teams, to their politics, can find it within them to buy a ticket out of here. To them I say go, bye, scram. We don't need you here. Fortunately we have so many immigrants that have come here and have really become enthusiastic about our what our country offers them.

Carter........poor guy.....I'll pray for you. I certainly will not reduce myself to your level and respond to your insults.

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BlondeJamesBond says on Jun 10, 2005, 14:08:

Kernow Scottish Food

Haggis, neeps & tatties - makes more sense when you say it with a thick scottish accent

Apparently the stomach of an unfortunate creature served with some sort of mashed turnip and potato concoction! mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2005, 14:09:

How's the blood pressure G5?

How can you say I am anti-American, I love NYC. You mustn't have been to Europe lately if you think the US is the only melting pot in the world. Just as you find all sorts of cultures in the US so too do you find them in Europe. I think it was you who first brought up the subject of British food, obviously you are anti-British. I simply responded that American cuisine is even less well known around the world (fast food excepted). That is hardly anti-American. I just don't happen to agree that it is the greatest country in the world for everything. I also do not think a lot of things about Britain are that great either, I just happen to think the food is quite good. I have had plenty of good food in America too, but it would hardly be known outside of the USA, so I couldn't call it a widely popular cuisine worldwide.

Anyway, I think the discussion has gone on far too long, and it has ceased to be about Colombia. I am guilty of this as much as anyone.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 10, 2005, 14:30:

ok ok let's this settle I'm going to chicago, meet with G5. we will sample some USA cousine, and I will report. ;-p

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2005, 15:41:

Have fun!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 10, 2005, 15:48:

:-( I worry about my waist :-( I'm worry about my waist

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 10, 2005, 21:46:

Kat1,,,don't worry about your waist : ) You are just as beautiful on the inside as you are on the outside. So if you gain a few pound after eating some fine American cuisine, the inside of you will always be beautiful. Isn't that what really counts.

Now as to you coming to Chicao, just let me know when, and my house is yours. Now .... how do you explain this to your hubby??? He has reason to worry. If you come to Chicago, you will love it, THE FOOD, and i think you will find me a pretty decent guy too.

Anyway, you know where to find me.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 11, 2005, 04:13:

I love the welsh lamb Casserole, and the christmas pudding with brandy sauce

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carter says on Jun 11, 2005, 09:18:

What Ive learn today I have learnt a little of US cuisine from Kernow the POM and unfortunatly Gman couldn't think of any so as always I have learnt little from him except that you can be called Anti American for not liking McDonalds, TGI Fridays and Buffalo wings.

Just in case you want one more shot at it Gman here is the question one last time. Can you please write some examples of US Cuisine?

I have never said it doesn't exist I just said Ive never heard of it.

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carter says on Jun 11, 2005, 09:23:

BJB Cahill is definatly the inform Aussie but whether he can lead us passed the Sth American qualifiers is another thing.

I think the Aussies are better off not relying on Kewell and Hopefully solid performances from Cahill, Bresciano and Emerton across the midfield with a flash of Kewell brilliance will be enough.

Kewell was good once upon a time but has been injured. If he returns to his fit self and old form he will be a dangerouse weapon and valuable to the Australian side.

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carter says on Jun 11, 2005, 09:24:

Cahill won the Oceania player of the year

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carter says on Jun 11, 2005, 11:03:

Best restaurant in the World: Fat Duck (UK) v Gary Danko (US) THE FAT DUCK
Bray, Berkshire, Britain

This is the place that does bacon-and-egg ice cream, snail porridge and sardine-on-toast sorbet. So you can safely say you’ve never had a meal like it. Run by chef Heston Blumenthal since it opened in 1995, it already has three Michelin stars under its belt. The spectacular eight-course tasting menu costs $225.


Top 5 according to City eating
The first webpage that came up searching "best restaurants" in google

1.Gary Danko - San Franisco
2.Tetsuya - Sydney (Gman thats in Australia)
3.Michel Rosting - Paris
4.Gordon Ramsey - London (But obviously influenced by the home cooking in Ramsey street)
5.French Laundry - San Fransico

There list failed to list one restaurant in the top 30 in Chicago
but 6 in Britain. 10 in the US and seems that San Fran has the best of the US restaurants.

wait I´ll check what I get if I type in "Restaurants worlds best"

http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2090.cfm

Similar
1. French Duck - Bray (UK)
2. El Bulli - Spain
3. French Laundry - San Fran
4. Tetsuyas - Sydney
5. Gordan Ramsey - London

14. Charlie Trotter - Chicago (You got a mention Gman)

British Restaurants 14 in top 50.
But lets look at Chicago v London
Chicago 1 London 9

Maybe fairer Chicago v Sydney
half the size but still fairer
Sydney 2 Chicago 1

Even my small town Melbourne gets a mention

I did a search on the Chicago Restaurants and the stats I got back were 5500 with Melbourne being listed as over 5000.

Why is he comparing Chicago to London a bit out of the ball park isn't it.

Its like comparing USA in football to the great teams (ohh he did that as well)

but wait Chicago has a population of 9.1 million and my whole state only has 4.8. It seems a greater percentage of Melbournians are wining and dining than Chicago. Who would have thought, well anyone who has travelled wouldn't be suprised at all.

Ohhh and as far as multiculturism a quick note from monash Uni (big university in Melbourne)

Melbourne has a truly multicultural population of 3.5 million people of many nationalities. This friendly multicultural city is home to people from over 140 nations. It offers a diverse range of languages and culture. In fact, 45% of Victoria’s community is either born overseas or has at least one parent born overseas. More than 20% of Victoria’s residents and almost 30% of Melbourne’s residents speak a language other than English at home. Melbourne leads the field in the number of languages spoken at home, reflecting its multicultural society and diversity.

I think Im done Gman
just let me know when you think of some US cuisine.

Sorry for calling you an idiot but its difficult holding a converstaion with someone who can't back up anything he says and has to rely on the person he's arguing with (Kernow) to answer the Questions for him.

And am I crazy for leaving Australia and spending the last 6 years living and experiencing different cultures. I know many people don't understand the desires of others to travel and learn. So while some people are happy learning about Colombia from people like yourself. i prefer to go and learn hands on. I find i get the facts that way.

Talking to someone like yourself reminds me of how lucky I am to be to be able to travel and learn. I sometimes wonder what Id be like if I didn't have the opportunity. Thankyou

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