Kerrys "government so evil" post

ARMacleod says on Feb 23, 2005, 10:09:

Idiot You really know how to skate on thin ice don't you?

if you stated that you were British and I was anywhere close to you I would do one of two things.

1. I would vehemently deny that I was also British

2. I would kick your bloody arse.

Knickers to it, I would do both.

(please give me more ammo)

(I answered this on the other site. Why was my retort not also posted here, not that it matters, if he opens up again I will destroy him, verbally of course)

Being of unsound mind and dubious disposition, I cannot be held legally liable for any indiscretions."¡El diablo me hizo hacerlo!" But don't worry, be happy.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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ARMacleod says on Feb 23, 2005, 10:29:

And another 1. IMF Report. Since the success of the 'dolarisation' of the Ecuadorian currency many other nations are lining up to join

2. Ecuador's economy rapidly improved after it swapped its national currency, the sucre, for the dollar two years ago. In light of the recent Argentine collapse, the Economist questions how long Ecuador can maintain its impressive growth rate.

Ecuador, wracked by political and economic disorder for years, on Saturday completed a six-month transition to making the dollar its currency. During the transition, both dollars and sucres circulated as legal tender, at an official exchange rate of 25,000 sucres to the dollar.

Ecuador joins Panama as the only Latin American countries using the US dollar as the official currency. In at least nine other countries around the world, the dollar is accepted as legal tender. Officials hope the switch will end record inflation, which is running at 104 percent a year, the highest in Latin America. The step is designed to prevent the government from printing money excessively to meet its budgetary needs. Economists attribute Ecuador's economic woes to decades of deficit spending.

So far, signs indicate that the plan is working. Monthly inflation has plunged from 14.3 percent in January to 1.4 percent in August. Last week, the Central Bank began distributing coins freshly minted in Canada and Mexico in amounts equivalent to the US penny, the nickel, the dime, and the quarter. Ecuador has followed Panama's example in using US bills but is minting its own coins.

But the new coins, for the most part, are circulating only in large cities. Smaller towns and villages have not yet received them and are trying to make do with small supplies of US coins, which are legal tender along with the new coins.

Despite their demise as official currency, sucre bills and coins worth less than $1 were still circulating - bills for 20,000 sucres, 10,000 sucres, and 5,000 sucres, and coins with the denominations of 1,000 sucres and 500 sucres. "We're still taking sucres because we can't afford to lose a sale in these difficult times. We're going to get together with other merchants and exchange them at the Central Bank," said Benigno Alcivar, owner of a vegetable stall in a street market in Guayaquil, Ecuador's largest city.

I have said it before and I will say it again kerry/etc/etc/etc
you are a fool, but the good side of that is, if you did have more than three decomposing and mutant cells in your diminutive brain you would be dangerous.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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kenago says on Feb 23, 2005, 10:33:

Reply to Kerry Well, so you think the U.S. government is evil ??? Let's see.. you
are British, so that means you are aware of the track record of the British empire in South Africa, India, Pakistan, the Middle East, Guyana and don't forget a few other countries in Africa. Now let me ask you a question, are those countries any better than Colombia or any other South American country??? Please if you travel abroad you better say you are Canadian if you do not want some one to say something mean, nasty or ultimately slap you in the face to say the least.

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fzrdan says on Feb 23, 2005, 12:12:

Oh yeah, the US government is evil. What a freakin..... I admit it has done some things in the past that I am not happy about. But you know what, who is it that everyone comes calling for when they need some help? Those are my tax dollars going all over the damn world helping people. Too bad more of those dollars didn't stay home fixing some of our own problems.

Kerry, when I was in the military, I spent a year in Diego Garcia. This is a little island in the Indian Ocean and it is a British Indian Ocean Territory. Ever heard the term BIOT before? You know what the British did? Got rid of every last indigenous person on that island so it could be used for military purposes. There were a ton of US military there so maybe the US pressured the British to do this. I don't know. Point is that the British have done things like this all over the damn earth. Are you calling your own government evil? I can assure you that if the US government is evil, so is the British. The US and British governments are bosom buddies.

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vladimiro says on Feb 23, 2005, 13:15:

Lancet Study The prestigous British medical journal, Lancet, estimates that the Americans have killed 100,000 civilians in just over a year in Iraq. Saddam is considered evil for killing around 300,000 civilians over a 30 year period. US is far out pacing Saddam in terms of of killing civilians, so what does that make the US? Unbelievably, Americans seem to be more concerned about 1500 US soldiers that were killed than the 100,000 Iraqi civilians.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html

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fzrdan says on Feb 23, 2005, 13:33:

vladimiro, may I ask where you are from?

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fzrdan says on Feb 23, 2005, 14:02:

Tinto I agree except for why is Ecuador fine? Ecuador is not part of Colombia and has nothing to do with Colombia. I reposted Kerrys post because I didn't want him to be able to make the stupid comments without some responses.

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ARMacleod says on Feb 23, 2005, 14:35:

Tinto I absolutely agree with you. I rise to the bait because I am one of those creatures who simply cannot tolerate fools.

It, for most is just a case of ignore it and it will go away. T hat has never been good enough for me personally.

Why, when this person, who has shown in so many ways and so many times that he is simply a troublemaker, does he not get excluded from the site permanently. The tiger will not change his stripes.

Delete him for good, do it now, no? why? it must be obvious that the person is like a malignant virus. As everyone knows he is just playing some kind of sick psychological game, I know that all who know him would be grateful so see the last of him under all of his many guises.

Generally this is a great site, he is the blot on the landscape.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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fzrdan says on Feb 23, 2005, 14:36:

Tinto, I understand about Ecuador.

JamesVH, I agree that it is almost impossible to resist the bait sometimes. I would be doomed if I was a fish!

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Lionheart says on Feb 23, 2005, 14:54:

welcome to my grill, fzrdan Most of you don't realize this, but I am still awake when kerry does many posts and I delete some of them before most or any can see them. In the last few days I deleted 3 posts that were a re-phrasing of londonmale posts ... for example the one about safety issues, remember that one? I am waiting for a new version of food hygiene now.

We are not killing kerry for now for 2 reasons. Kerry actually responds withing the thread, and some discussions that started turned out to be good. Just remember, when reading kerry's posts, don't forget the grain of salt. This is what Peter recommends as well. Personally, I see kerry's days counted here, a few more crackpot posts should be enough. On the other hand, be happy about Peter's high tolerance level, many others would feel the wrath as well here.

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gabo says on Feb 23, 2005, 14:54:

touchy touchy Why do people get so out of wack when someone calls the US government evil? Is it such a ludricous statement? Don't you feel people in guatemala, nicaruaga, iran, chile, el salavador, countries with clear documented cases of CIA backed coups or support for military dictorships, have a reason to call the us govt evil? Or how about vietnam, bay of pigs, iran contra, and the current illegal war in iraq. Since the 1800s there have been 163 milatary interventions. Get with the program. and it is related to Colombia because USA policy more than any other policy effects the livelihood of colombians and the future of not only colombia but many parts of the world. I am NOT saying there are no other bad govts out there, there are many and it is difficult to compare, for what was worse, hitlers germany or stalin's russia? They are both bad. Here is my advice, be weary of the us govt for it has a terrible track record. Be critical, attack specific policies and specific support. Have no faith in ANY goverment and throw the antiquated idea of patriotism and nationalism out the door. It only leads to more war. Kerry may not be articulate, though I understand where he comes from. The greatest danger to the world right now is not Al-Queda its The USA, thats a fact whether you look at military interventions, GM foods, failure ot sign kyoto protocol, fast food, CNN. There are good things as well about the USA and it didn't come from the govt, its comes from the resistance of people waking up in the land with the most imprisoned people and where the leading cause of death for those under 85 which is cancer. Peace and spirit to you all.

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fzrdan says on Feb 23, 2005, 15:26:

Well, maybe kerry normally keeps posting in his thread but he hasn't in this one. His name is in the title so it not like he can miss it. I noticed he opened up a new thread about being a millionare and that is now gone.

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Lionheart says on Feb 23, 2005, 18:13:

troll bait Most of his threads which have nothing Colombia specific disapear as fast as we can catch them ...

If a thread starts what should we do? You grabbed the troll bait and started a discussion ... does that give us the right to delete your posts? Nope ... it tells me you want to feed the troll. Let the troll starve and the troll will be gone ...

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Rob UK says on Feb 24, 2005, 05:19:

Deleting posts This is the part of the website devoted to discussing politics and the war. It keeps this sort of stuff off the main part of the forum, so why delete posts made here unless they are abusive?

Talking about the US foreign policy is pertinent to Colombia, as Uribe has made no secret of his allicance with Bush in his "War on Terror".

I know I do not have a "right" to freedom of speech on this board, but heavy handed and arbitrary deleting of posts is out of order.

I notice JamesVH's post threatening physical violence against another poster remains untouched.

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BlondeJamesBond says on Feb 24, 2005, 07:44:

FRLFT RE: KERRY *I notice JamesVH's post threatening physical violence against another poster remains untouched*

I don't know if you have read much of Kerry's drivel but if you have then you will understand JamesVH's comments.

In one of his recent threads Kerry tried to 'reason' with me that Britain should have joined with Hitler and the Nazi's - Surely being a Nazi sympathizer is enough to warrant being banned from this site as well as a good beating.

Starving the troll is not good enough when that kind of crap is written - beating it to death on the other hand sounds extremely satisfactory! - I jest of course ;-)

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kenago says on Feb 24, 2005, 07:50:

History Please guys, let's understand that when speaking of governments and their history we cannot say any of them is totally clean, atrocities
have been committed in the name of religion, politics, social status,
race to say the least, it's true that the U.S. government has a lot
of influence in the Colombian government but remember that Colombia is fighting a 40 year war with terrorist and besides the U.S. nobody
has ever offered to help Colombia against the billionaire drug lords and the growing guerrillas like the U.S has, so if not the U.S. then who??? Where has Europe been in these 40 years??? What about Japan?? or any other Latin American country?? The only one showing some intrest and actually footing a large part of the bill is the U.S whether we like it or not.

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fzrdan says on Feb 24, 2005, 08:25:

kenago Very well said. But you know what they will say....The US is just giving money to Colombia because of oil.

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kenago says on Feb 24, 2005, 09:39:

fzrdan You're right, people that has no knowledge of the Colombian situation or has never been to Colombia will say it's all about oil, my friend
you are absolutely right.

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Rob UK says on Feb 24, 2005, 14:59:

"The only one showing some intrest and actually footing a large part of the bill is the U.S whether we like it or not."

The US played a big part in creating the situation with the guerilla by convincing the Colombian government to attack the peasants who had the cheek to try and do things on their own without interference from the state, as I understand it. And if the Colombian govnt hadn't attacked them, the US sure would have.

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juancegomez says on Feb 24, 2005, 15:46:

FRLFT The situation was more complex than that, though I will try to only address your specific points, for the sake of brevity.

Show us some examples of other countries in the region that took a different way out, without attacking the Communist/radically leftwing proto-guerrilla or outright guerrilla groups that were around back then (during the Cold War and with the Cuban Revolution around). Bolivia did, Venezuela did, Peru did, Ecuador did, etc.

Colombia's problem lies not in the attack per se (though I personally would have tried to do things differently, but that's not the point), but rather in the lack of a proper follow-up, using both the carrot and the stick to their full extent. This was not done.

Why wasn't this done? Due to a mixture of both contextual (the legacy of La Violencia and the Bogotazo, problems among politicians and the military, the National Front...) and structural situations (lack of real state control over the territory, lack of a national sense of belonging in remote areas of the country, grave socio political and socio economic conditions, etc). Each of those elements, individually, would be insufficient to provoke our current debacle, but their combination was deadly.

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kenago says on Feb 25, 2005, 07:10:

juancegomez You are right, the problem with Colombia was not acting on time 40 years ago and work on the problem instead of ignoring it. The Colombian government thought the peasant revolution in southern Colombia was going to go away on it's own, but now we can see it was a mistake. I don't know was FRLFT is talking about but he most not know how long violence has been a problem in Colombia and if you look at history the political parties have been fighting each other since the beggining of the 20th century with the 1000 days war and then followed in 1948 with el Bogotazo, it seems the have concentrated in killing each other for at least 100 years meanwhile ignoring the peasants and remote areas of the country.

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vladimiro says on Feb 25, 2005, 08:33:

Maybe its all Manuel Marulanda's fault after all.... Almost all of the many guerilla and peasant self-defense groups accepted the amnesty that Rojas Pinilla offered during that time period. I believe that with the help of planes and helicopters provided by the US and experience and training gained from the Korean war the military was also able to put down bandits and the remaining hold-outs.

One of the only groups (if not the only one) to refuse the amnesty and resolve to fight on forever was Manuel Marulanda's group. Perhaps much of the blame for the 40 year conflict can be explained by the actions of one man.

Similarly, the ELN was almost completely wiped out in the 70s. Its leader deserted and fled to Cuba, and only a few survivors remained. It was then slowly re-built by the Spanish priest (I think his name waas Manuel Perez). Without Perez the ELN may have disappeared too.

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Sr Tertius says on Feb 26, 2005, 11:04:

Vladimiro "Almost all of the many guerilla and peasant self-defense groups accepted the amnesty that Rojas Pinilla offered during that time period."

And do you know what happened to them? Ask Guadalupe Salcedo. The self-defense groups affiliated to the PCC had very good reasons to continue operating in rural areas, and you can't hold Marulanda or any particular individual responsible for that.

We tend to forget the diversity of grassroots movements opposing the Colombian governments during the last 50 years. We also tend to forget the procedures used by these goverments to eliminate them: is it just a coincidence that after all this time the insurgency is more cohesive and destructive that it has ever been before?

In Colombia, guerrilla leaders are little more than a reflection of our historical process. It is that processes that needs to be changed.

"I am alone, and they are all together"
Denis de Rougemont, on a 1936 Nazi rally

"When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb)

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