K1-Fiancess Visa -- Colombian Women-- Kiss It Goodbye

goin_south says on Jul 18, 2007, 13:01:

not exactly.

and, thank you.

Leeroy says on Jul 18, 2007, 13:05:

I often wonder about these guys who meet a Colombiana over the internet, (somehow) fall in love, go to Colombia to meet her, bring her back to the US, marry her, then watch her ride off into the sunset.

Evidently, this happens quite a lot.

Smarten up people!

goin_south says on Jul 18, 2007, 13:12:

I'd say then perhaps the embassy people also aren't doing a real good job.
maybe some other criteria need to be considered.

I have heard of some real short interviews (5 minutes or less), from a handful or two of friends, this past year. But, I think those are the ones who are doing well together, still together, and had mounds of supporting evidence of the relationship.

WHAT'S THE LONGEST INTERVIEW YOU EVER HEARD OF?
What's the shortest and longest one that you ever heard of, that got turned down??

and, thank you.

shyer747 says on Jul 18, 2007, 13:18:

your right, thats the way it was before.

ColombianoGringo says on Jul 18, 2007, 13:24:

I think the OP has some things confused.

Yes, there is a lot of visa fraud and Colombia seems to have a high occurrence. Unfortunately, it is somewhat common for this scenario to occur. I can't say that I am surprised as you often see US men in their 50s or 60s going to a marriage agency and picking out some 21 year old hottie. They are blinded by their own delusions into believing that these young girls want them for anything other than a visa.

On the other hand, there are lots of cross-cultural marriages that are true, loving couples. You can see evidence of that on this site and I have seen it in my family. Consequently, it would be a real travesty to somehow eliminate fiance visas for Colombia. They should focus on stopping the flood of illegals that cross the Rio Grande instead of worrying about the relative trickle of visa fraud cases.

Even so, I doubt that Congress would enact a law specifically banning K1 visas for Colombians. By coincidence, I just got through reading the press release page on the USCIS site and saw nothing of the sort mentioned.

Also, you are somewhat incorrect about the second part of your post. You seem to be referring to IMBRA. This law is meant to protect the foreign fiance or spouse. Marriage brokers are supposed to do a background check on US men looking to meet women through their service. This does not seem to be followed very thoroughly. For one thing, the definition of "marriage broker" is debated. It is not clear whether the law applies to marriage agencies that introduce you to women on tours or a site like Match.com. Also, many of the agencies are based overseas and simply ignore the law.

The law also requires that the US citizen must divulge any convictions for crimes including domestic abuse, sexual offenses, human trafficking, etc when filing for a fiance or spouse visa. The foreign fiance or spouse was already required to document even before IMBRA. Consequently, this law does nothing to really discourage the type of fraud that your post mentions. If you are referring to another law or bill, please post the name or some kind of reference.

Peace,
CG

snake says on Jul 18, 2007, 13:32:

"K1 fiancee visa being issued in Colombia will be somethink in the past"

although embassy staff may want to "protect" guys against a fleecing, there's no way they can deny a k1 if eligibility is established and the petition conforms to present law. guys will have to protect themselves by being careful who they choose. other than that, you can go into the embassy with a valid petition and spit in the officer's face and you still have to be given the visa. this isn't advised but petitioners have far more clout than they think.

Lucho562 says on Jul 18, 2007, 13:47:

Well, I just went thru the K1 process. My fiance and I had our interview on the 5th of July. And she hasn't ridden off in the sunset ;)

I'm Currambero and so is she. Of course there are lots of visa frauds, but I highly doubt they will do away with the K1 visa.

ColombianoGringo says on Jul 18, 2007, 14:13:

You're the same Lucho from VJ right? It helps that you are not a old, fat and pasty gringo ;)

Congrats again on your approval. I am sending my forms for my wife's K-3 this week. We are hoping for a January interview. Since USCIS told me to send in my I-130 and I-129F packets together, it should go more quickly.

Peace,
CG

BAQ says on Jul 18, 2007, 15:12:

The embassy doesnt HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, especially in a post 911 world. Personally, I agree with COLOMBIANOGRINGO, the 50 and 60 crowd picking up the late teen early twenty crowd is just stupid. This is not to say it CAN´T work, but your chances of success are slim, VERY slim.

On the flip side of this coin, Being a GRINO and living here in Colombia, I have run across my share of REALLY CREEPY gringos here on the 10 day find a wife tour from the Acne find a wife tour guide service. After talking to them for, OHHHHHH, about 15 seconds, it becomes obvious why there are looking for a wife in another country.

It´s sad that a few end up making live a pain in the ass for the rest of those who are sincere but then again, that seems to be the way its always been.

Semper Fidelis !

chester says on Jul 18, 2007, 15:18:

Lucho, you guys had to pick it up the following monday?

chester says on Jul 18, 2007, 15:23:

because thursday the 5th followed a holiday at the embassy, the 4th, and the embassy always gets backlogged for 2 business days.

just curious if you got yours on friday or had to return the following monday.

got to watch the embassy calendar for closed days when your interview day comes up.

best to get early in the week to avoid an extra trip or weekend in bogota.

chester says on Jul 18, 2007, 15:28:

never mind, I see your timeline on Visajourney, picked it up on monday and arrived in the states wednesday....congrats

how about keeping us posted on the wonderful AOS experience.

Cali2005 says on Jul 18, 2007, 15:42:

The USCIS (the new name for INS) knows that 2/3rds of all marraiges are false, but what can they do? The way americans marry and divorce these days, i would personally have to say that Immigrant marraiges last about the same time! (not a scientific study...just a thought)

There is a new policy in affect that limits the number of foreign marraiges or fiances to 2. I am not sure if that implies there is a limit on the number of spouses you can sponser or if that just applies to the fiance visa.

The law affecting the marraige agencies does require you to fill out extra paper at these agencies. It was put into affect to protect the women who are immigrating to the USA.

Just remember ADMINISTRATIVE policies can be put into affect by agencies of the US Government, that can affect the way they issue visas or handle certain issues. Of course you have a right to get your wife/husband a visa. Unfortunately if they don't like you or want to make things difficult they can deny your visa.

If you look like a normal couple, and you are conservatively dressed you will make a better impression. If your wife/fiance has silicone implants don't let her wear a tight t-shirt to the interivew! LOL. Serioulsy though they are looking for compatible marraiges. That makes them feel better. If they ask you wierd questions they are only doing that to see if they can make you nervous, and put you over the edge. DO NOT WORRY if they ask questions and you dont have an answer. RONAL REAGAN DID FINE AT CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS, by simply saying i don't recall. I don't know....

FINALLY dont think about any of the above when you visit the embassy, because you will make yourself appear nervous for no reason. If your nervous then they are! It always helps to have a friendly person you can relate to on the other side of the desk.

About 20 people work the visas in Bogota from a rumor i heard. Thats not to many people considering how many people apply for visas there.

It is your right to sponsor your wife, and usually its very easy, well a bit like doing taxes. A lot of paper work and patience is required.

Viva Medellin

snake says on Jul 18, 2007, 16:06:

issuance of visas is determined by law and regulations. both would have to be changed to influence how they are issued: no one needs to worry about or believe that a consular office could summarily change things because some people are gaming the system. to believe otherwise is overly paranoid.

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 9 - Visas
9 FAM 40.6 Regs/Statutes Page 1 of 1
9 FAM 40.6
BASIS FOR REFUSAL
(CT:VISA-885; 05-17-2007)
(Office of Origin: CA/VO/L/R)
9 FAM 40.6 RELATED STATUTORY
PROVISIONS
(CT:VISA-885; 05-17-2007)
See INA 221(g) (8 U.S.C. 1201(g)).
9 FAM 40.6 RELATED REGULATORY
PROVISIONS
(TL:VISA-568; 08-05-2003)
See 22 CFR 40.6.


9 FAM 41.121
Refusal of individual visas.
(TL:VISA-177; 04-30-1998)
(a) Grounds for refusal.
(TL:VISA-177; 04-30-1998)
Nonimmigrant visa refusals must be based on legal grounds, that is, one
or more provisions of INA 212(a) or (e), INA 214(b), INA 221(g), or INA
222(g). Certain classes of nonimmigrant aliens are exempted from specific
provisions of INA 212(a) under INA 102, INA 212(d)(1), INA 212(d)(2) and,
upon a basis of reciprocity, under INA 212(d)(8). When a visa application
has been properly completed and executed in accordance with the provisions
of INA and the implementing regulations, the consular officer must
either issue or refuse the visa.
[Amended by 63 FR 669, Jan. 7, 1998.]
(b) Refusal procedure.
(TL:VISA-9; 3-23-88)
If a consular officer knows or has reason to believe that an alien is ineligible
to receive a visa on grounds of ineligibility which cannot be overcome
by the presentation of additional evidence, the officer shall refuse the visa
and, if practicable, shall require a nonimmigrant visa application to be executed
before the refusal is recorded. In the case of a visa refusal the consular
officer shall inform the applicant of the provision of law or regulations
upon which the refusal is based. If the alien fails to execute a visa application
after being informed by the consular officer of a ground of ineligibility to
receive a nonimmigrant visa, the visa shall be considered refused. The officer
shall then insert the pertinent data on the visa application, noting the
reasons for the refusal, and the application form shall be filed in the consular
office. Upon refusing a nonimmigrant visa, the consular officer shall retain
the original or a copy of each document upon which the refusal was
based as well as each document indicating a possible ground of ineligibility
and may return all other supporting documents supplied by the applicant.

goin_south says on Jul 18, 2007, 16:40:

Thanks for the 'heads-up", Chester... about the holidays and such... helps for better planning.

And, this is a somewhat helpful discussion, in spite of the fact that the OP gives NO REFERENCE for the argument he/she lays in front of us. (sounds a lil like a troll who went to the ColombianoX/Platano school of Headline Writing...jej)

and, thank you.

scotty says on Jul 18, 2007, 16:55:

this is not news , this has been going on for years all around the world.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

miamimike says on Jul 18, 2007, 17:05:

The Miami Herald had an article not long ago about Marriage visa Fraud, Bgtime in Miami--it was mostly about Venezuelan Women but Colombian Women were mentioned also.Believe it is here on this website someplace as I posted it at the time.

"The USCIS (the new name for INS) knows that 2/3rds of all marraiges are false, but what can they do? The way americans marry and divorce these days, i would personally have to say that Immigrant marraiges last about the same time! (not a scientific study...just a thought)"

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On the comment "Immigrant Marriages last about the same time" I would vigorously disagree with that statement" if the Partners come from another culture and are not completely fluent in each other's langauge. Today, If 6-7 out of 10 Marraiges in the USA fail (and this is where both parties speak the same langauge,share the same culture) Realistically, what are the survival Odds, long term, between a couple who cannot even communicate clearly in the same langauge and one of who suffers from Culture shock when she arrives to began her life in the USA? I pit the Odds at 1 out of 10 at best will survive(marraiges) given the FACT that only 2-3 marriages between Americans survive with same langauge, same culture. A Bookie would never give better odds I am willing to bet,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

miamimike says on Jul 18, 2007, 17:24:

miamimike says on Tuesday May 8th, 2007 12:48:

On the Upswing,,, In South Florida, attorneys say marriages between Cuban refugees and Venezuelan immigrants top the list of non-Cubans marrying Cubans, followed by Colombians and Mexicans.

For undocumented immigrants, marrying a Cuban with a green card can be their ticket to staying in the United States -- ""and even a better deal than marrying a U.S. citizen""". Non-Cubans married to U.S. citizens for less than two years obtain conditional residence, but those who marry Cubans with green cards can get permanent residence after a year.

Only a few hundred non-Cuban immigrants of various nationalities received green cards under the Cuban Adjustment Act between 1996 and 2001, but last year alone, more than 4,000 did across the country. Colombians, whose country has been swept up in civil strife for decades, led Venezuelans by a slim margin, followed by Peruvians and Argentines, according to the Office of Immigration Statistics.

''The sheer number of Colombians and Venezuelans now in South Florida makes it logical for them to encounter and marry Cubans,'' said immigration attorney Wilfredo Allen.

SUSPICION OF FRAUD

Jorge Rivera, a Miami immigration attorney, said ""non-Cuban green-card applications under the Cuban Adjustment Act are drawing increased attention from authorities, who suspect fraud in some cases"".LOL--some cases, how about 99.9 of the Cases,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

ColombianoGringo says on Jul 18, 2007, 17:37:

Cali, Where did you get that information that 2/3 of all marriages are fraud? I assume you mean marriages between a US citizen and a foreign spouse.

I agree with MiamiMike. I think that differences in culture can be a major hurdle for a marriage, especially when both don't speak the same language. This isn't to say they can't succeed, but it certainly can be more difficult.

While it's true that I am a US citizen by birth, I was raised as a Colombian in a home where we were not allowed to speak English and spent most available vacations in Colombia throughout my life. My wife is also from the same city and neighborhood as my mother's family. Consequently we not only speak the same language, but share most of the same customs and idioms particular to the Huila region of Colombia. Even so, I am well aware that we will face many difficulties because despite all our similarities, we have lived vastly different lives and are very different in many significant ways.

I wish the best to all those who embark on an international relationship. It is not easy and you do need to be careful. I met a lot of Colombian women before my wife and there are a lot that will do anything for money and a US visa. When you do find a good woman adhere to the old adage "Trust, but verify".

Finally, if you don't speak the language well, you should invest some serious time and effort to learn it. You would be a fool not to.

My 2 cents,

Peace,
CG

snake says on Jul 18, 2007, 17:37:

let's use a basketball analogy: k1/k3's are the slam dunk shots in visa issuance whereas tourist/visitor visas are the hail marys' half-court shots. the former: petitioner would really have to work at failing and the latter: must be worked hard and smart. comparatively speaking: the former crystal clear criteria the latter very murky and far more subject to consular mischief and arbitrary rulings.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 18, 2007, 18:01:

Well, The venerable NY Times and a whole bunch of other publications have looked at the Census Data and the Census PREDICTIONS and proclaimed: The 1 out of 2 marriages ending in divorce was never true and probably never will be.

http://www.divorcereform.org/nyt05.html

It's been written about a lot lately because the divorce rate peaked around 1980 and the current rate is probably the best it's been since 1970. Lots of factors - more cohabitation, people getting married later (and presumably making better choices). One Times article I read even broke it out and said if you get married after age 25 or 27 and both partners have a college education, the chances of divorce go way down...well below the 1 in 2 projection.

2 out of 3? You guys are pessimists!

Lucho562 says on Jul 18, 2007, 18:48:

ColombianoGringo,

Yeah i'm from VJ.

goin_south says on Jul 18, 2007, 23:04:

I think that differences in culture ..... with regards, per couple, can be EXCITING AND INVIGORATING, and bring new life and productivity/energy to the lives involved.

I'll write a book in a year or two, to say if that's what pans out.
There are indeed, some....SPECIAL SITUATIONS. :)

and, thank you.

goin_south says on Jul 18, 2007, 23:07:

""And how fucking BACKWARDS is it that the US will grant somebody a permanent visa with the right to work easier than they will a tourist visa?""

You tell US, Rubi. I'm not sure I see a virtue, either way.

and, thank you.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 18, 2007, 23:08:

will you call it: "One Ducks Opinion" ..or a movie The World According to A Duck?....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

goin_south says on Jul 18, 2007, 23:51:

quiza mas romantico, M_C: Qwackers en La Qama

and, thank you.

goin_south says on Jul 18, 2007, 23:53:

The 1 I wrote about the past was:

Duck as You in De Door!

and, thank you.

BAQ says on Jul 19, 2007, 08:25:

I will throw my 2 cents in here. Regardless of what anyone says, the law is not black and white, it is GRAY, very gray and it all depends on who is reading that law. If they want to find a reason to say NO they will find it. If ANY TYPE OF VISA is denied, for whatever reason, an appeal might overturn the decision but you are talking about TIME and lots of it, not to mention the frustration level involved.

If in the future, the FIANCE VISA becomes impossible to get then you always have plan B, marry your future bride in her home country, THEN APPLY for a SPOUSAL VISA. In my view, it tends to lend more credability to your commitment of the relationship.

Semper Fidelis !

bufalo says on Jul 19, 2007, 10:55:

I get P.O.ed because my wife got a permanent resident visa in a week, maybe less since I don't remember exactly when. Yet, she would be refused a tourist visa. One of hte reasons we now have to move to the states Ugh!

So: she could get food stamps, take out credit cards and not pay them, be a strain on healthcare, all the stuff that people complain about new immigrants.

But: She can't go as a tourist and just spend money there.

Can someone send a memo to the US and tell them to take its head out of its ass?

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

snake says on Jul 19, 2007, 11:38:

"Can someone send a memo to the US and tell them to take its head out of its ass?"

the initial public policy was quite rational. u.s. citizens theoretically benefit from easy entry for fiances and spouses and their subsequent access to work, etc. they naturally should receive the benefits of the policy. the u.s. owes nothing to tourists or visitors from other countries. in fact it's the gamers who come in and overstay who've created the current situation. obviously many sincere people who would return to their country of origin can't get past the gatekeepers. the irrationality begins when gamers aren't properly tracked and deported and never again allowed to return. correct this and policy could again be liberalized and sincere people would have a better chance.

shyer747 says on Jul 19, 2007, 13:17:

I was only saying it would be more difficulty for them to obatin a K1-Vis***
**I only said it would be more difficulty for them to obtain a K1-visa...sure they can appy for one just like anyone else so what is you don't understand goin_south. I been living in colombia for over ten years. When you call me a troll you where talking about your mother. Now if you want to make somthink out of it then bring it on.

I say they are better in Colombia anyways then to marry a american and return to hell in the United States.

BAQ says on Jul 19, 2007, 13:49:

BUFALO, I know it puts you in a bind, but that really is some funny shit. YOU REALLY SHOULD WRITE HANNITY AND COMBS OR BILL ORILLEY AT FOX NEWS and tell em about that. Bet you end up on television. haha

Semper Fidelis !

divina22 says on Jul 19, 2007, 14:55:

miamimike

"For undocumented immigrants, marrying a Cuban with a green card can be their ticket to staying in the United States -- ""and even a better deal than marrying a U.S. citizen""". Non-Cubans married to U.S. citizens for less than two years obtain conditional residence, but those who marry Cubans with green cards can get permanent residence after a year."

This is soooooo freaking true!!! My hubby and I just received his green card for two years, meanwhile, someone I know from Argentina married a cuban exile and automatically got a 10-year perm residency..... while my hubby marrying me, the U.S. Citizen, received two-year with conditions.... go figure.... someone once told me it was because the U.S. protects it's citizens and could care kless about th Cuban imm. but I don't get that....... besides it was my ex-hubby and he's surely full of it...... (though he married an Argentinian, and is in the same boat I am with a two-year res.)

Winners have simply formed the habit of doing things losers don't like to do.......

goin_south says on Jul 19, 2007, 17:13:

Bring it on, Bring it on.....right. Right Shyer474.

'all you said was'.... NOTHING. Your first and third paragraphs, you just make your own claims. NO REFERENCES WHATSOEVER.

US Embassy In Bogota was getting many complaints. Oh? When is 'was'? and, who says the embassy is/was getting complaints?

'It appears'.......'for some time'......'these guys'..... vague, vague,....vague ... ambiguity.

And lastly, your 'restatment' of the law is nowhere close to what the law specifically states.
And, where did you come up with the 'destruction of marriage' idea?

and, thank you.

bueno_pues says on Jul 19, 2007, 19:27:

Cuando fuimos a la embajada, la sola parte de evidencia que teniamos era el certificado de nuestro matrimonio. No mas y una entrevista de 1 minuto.

bufalo says on Jul 19, 2007, 22:46:

You're in the same boat too? I take it your both in the states awaiting citizenship - we'll start that when we get there. She has her residency for 4 years now. we just make sure we go at least once a year, but come Jan-feb, we're staying it out for the long haul.

I feel bad giving the bad news to several gringos I know who live here and want to visit the US with their wives. They all think they can just go to the embassy and explain the situation. sure, it sounds like a good idea, but they still won't give her a tourist visa. Incredible!

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

Conchale Vale!! says on Jul 21, 2007, 21:02:

Here is what I see wrong with the entire process. First the majority of visa fraud is not the typical American guy going to Colombia and marrying a girl younger than him that he met one time and barely knows.... that's just the mid life crisis and ignorance. However there is a lot of direct fraud that goes on paying to get married. About a year ago I met a high level judge for INS and had a long conversation about this...not sure the new name of this organization so I call it INS still. Her only assignment was going to Puerto Rico to hear appeals for Dominican marrying Puerto Ricans for papers.Her comment was most of those marriages were fraudulent and YES the do reject K1/K3 visas regularly. Proabaly same for the Cuban loophole that was mentioned. The majority of true marriage fraud is between like cultures marrying for papers. as and example a naturalized person marrying for money a person where they came from. It does happen with Americans doing it but rare..not enough money in it to do it generally. If your visa is rejected you can appeal but it is costly and time consuming. As rubito indicated there is no requirement that you get a visa just because you apply for one.

My opinion on fixing the system is different. The approval process for visas should be quicker for both k1/k3. A couple that has known each other and really loves each other the long wait to get a approval can be very hard on a real relationship. But for those truely fraudulent marriages what do they care if the process takes 9 months to get a approval? They only need get in and then wait out the 2 years to get the divorce.

But on a fiancee visa to the US the time frame to actually get married should be 6 months at least maybe a year... not 90 days. As long as the sponsor is agreeing to pay all support costs when here. Why? how stupid is it that. given more time to know someone before you marry them would stop a lot of bad marriages form happening in the first place. The idea behind a fiancee visas is to let that person come here determine if they can adjust to the culture and also get to know the person. How can you do that in 90 days? I bet a lot of those coming just for papers would not waste the time with a person they don't love if they had to go longer to get married and start the process for a green card.

Second I believe the period for a conditional green card should be extended to 3 or 4 years..if divorced you go back. Why? again if the real intent of marriage is to get residency who's even going to tuff it out that long just get papers..not too many. The loophole also needs to be closed for getting divorced before the 2 year temporary residence and claiming abuse , etc and then getting to stay..the level of proof needs to be substantially higher for this than it is. This would protect the dupe who married the 20 something that was looking for papers. Right now even if you get divorced in a few months after getting married all the person needs to do is get a good lawyer make some trumped up charges an they stay.

I was married to a Filipino girl for 13 years..no regrets relationship just went bad. But because I lived in the Philippines when I met her we had a long relationship before we got married. I did not keep a list but in those 13years I met more newly married couples than I can count. I am going to estimate that of those maybe 60 percent failed and most after about 2 to 2.5 years. I don't believe all of those were because the girl was looking for papers..maybe a few. It was more because the girl knew nothing about the guy and did like what she ended up with. Some of those divorces where started by the guy but very few.

As for tourist visa...I agree total BS you can get a tourist visa immediately for a spouse after you have been married a few years but are living in another country and want to go to visit. When she applies for that visa her intent to return should be based on both you and her economic situation, jobs etc.I even believe that you should be able to get a one time tourist visa for a week or so for relatives/friends by having a sponsor that will sign for you in the US. But I also believe if that person takes off and overstays the sponsor should get fined out their ass. That way people be careful who they sponsor.

Robert Jorge says on Jul 21, 2007, 23:16:

Conchale Valle! I agree with your post 100%. You said exactly what I think about, but have never articulated very well. Good post.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

slguy says on Jul 22, 2007, 07:16:

I'm a fairly bright guy, but honest to God, trying to make sense of this immigration/visa thing gives me a huge headache!

I have a number of friends here who have overstayed their visas- many by years. Not one of them has ever claimed to me that they came intending to leave after six months. The thing is- absent this disregard for immigration laws, they're good folks. Still, the ethics of breaking our laws, intentionally, when you are from another country bothers me.

It strikes me that this is really the root of the problem. Accountability. Once you're here, ya gotta REALLY screw up to get on the government's radar, if you want to fly below it. All the consular offices know this - thus the "Prove to us you have good reasons to return to your country!" attitude.

This "marry a cuban, get a free pass" crap astounds me. Even IF it's some backhanded way to protect American-born people from bad marriages, it still defies logic. If our government was in the business of protecting dumb americans from bad marriages- the government would have no time for anything else. Besides- it simply ain't their job. Has anyone heard/seen an explanation for this policy from a credible source?

When I hear that married couples have true difficulties moving between countries, I get livid. Married couple should have the freedom to travel as they see fit, whether it's for a week or two- or to live for a year. But in case of divorce sooner than say, 5-7 years- adios. If residency is predicated on being married to a US citizen, and that circumstance changes, then I see no reason to continue providing legal residency, absent children.

As I understand it, the financial responsibility a sponsor takes on is limited to any costs associated with government services provided, no? Maybe the solution is- expand the liability of the sponsor. Someone you sponsor overstays their visa 6 months? Your wallet takes a hit. 2 years? bigger hit. This way, the sponsor maintains an active interest in his invitee complying with the visa. If he/she is not willing to risk the financial hit, for whatever reason, don't sign the papers. This would pretty much limit sponsorship to close family, I imagine. But with the added responsibility should come an easier path to tourist visa.

The other complication is- is the sponsor calls and reports an overstay by someone they sponsored- how long does it take immigration to respond? Seems to me, local cops could even be used in this function - "show me a valid visa, or an extension, now. Otherwise, you're on your way home". Warrant squads across the country spend their days looking for parking violators, bad check writers, etc- why not this?

Maybe my view is too simplistic. But I swear, I don't get why all this is so damned complicated. It ought to be easy for married couples to live/travel where they see fit.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

bueno_pues says on Jul 22, 2007, 10:24:

"The idea behind a fiancee visas is to let that person come here determine if they can adjust to the culture and also get to know the person."

WRONG! That is not the idea at all. Many guys think that the K-1 is a 90 day test drive. It's not. It was never meant to be. It was meant to allow people who already have a relationship to get married in the US. Personally I think the K-1 should be abolished. No other western country even has such a type of visa.

goin_south says on Jul 22, 2007, 13:09:

If our government was in the business of protecting dumb americans from bad marriage.......they'd have to start on the domestic side...jjeeje... what a chore.

and, thank you.

goin_south says on Jul 22, 2007, 13:09:

""""If our government was in the business of protecting dumb americans from bad marriage""".......they'd have to start on the domestic side...jjeeje... what a chore.

and, thank you.

goin_south says on Jul 22, 2007, 13:11:

Abolish the K-1? that would take a load off the USCIS, and hence.... no further exorbitant fee increases, eh?

and, thank you.

bueno_pues says on Jul 22, 2007, 16:29:

The K-1 is an invitation to fraud. More than half of all K-1 visa holders never get married and instead stay in the US and go underground along with everyone else. Nevertheless K visas are a drop in the bucket of all foreigners coming to the US to get married. The vast majority come in on tourist visas or on the VWP and get married here. Of the 339,000 foreign spouses of US citizens only 48,864 came in on K visas (http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY06AnnualReportTableXVIA.pdf). Of course most foreigners marrying US citizens are not coming from Third World countries.

ricardofromtexas says on Jul 23, 2007, 17:08:

I HOPE AND PRAY THIS IS REAL THAT IT WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST. I WILL SPEND ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE PART IN THIS AND TO SHARE MY NIGHTMARE TO WHOM EVER AND PAY THEM TO POST IT AND I BE A PROOF THAT THESE GIRLS ARE RUTHLESS.
IF YOU WANT PROOF IF YOU GOT LOVE IN A COLOMBIANA, GO SEE IF YOU GET THIS ATTENTION FROM A COLOMBIANA THAT IS HERE LEGAL IN THE USA THAT NO LONGER NEED PAPERS AND IS LEGAL ALREADY. VERYYYY SMART WOMEN. GOOD ONES AND THE EVIL ONES TOO.

ricardofromtexas says on Jul 23, 2007, 17:12:

AND MY SO CALLED FIANCE AND I ONLY HAD A 9 YEAR DIFFERANCE, NOT 20 OR 30.
SHE WAS 28 AND I AM 37. I WONT SAY HER BARRIO NAME BUT I KNOW ITS A LEVEL 2 ON A SCALE OF 1- 6 AS THEY USE. but what i thought was love, i didnt look at her at the time for how she lived, but now it all makes sence now. i hope and pray this k-1 is a thing of the past.

goin_south says on Jul 23, 2007, 17:32:

Those colombian boots were made for walking....

and, thank you.

panthdave says on Jul 23, 2007, 19:42:

You know everybody...Most marriages fail domestically and so internationally they can fail too..Many domestic marriages are for papaya too nice house, nice car, and things just don't work out...I have seen many domestic marriages where the split up is worse than you giving up papaya too a girl who just got her resdiency card and its good if they just disappear.. the gringas here in the States will go for everything you have..and I mean everything...more than a colombian girl who just wants her residency card and disappears..which I hearing alot lately..

panthdave Miami

Conchale Vale!! says on Jul 23, 2007, 20:02:

it really depends what how many friends while in the US and what they tell her.

goin_south says on Jul 23, 2007, 21:58:

The K-1 is an invitation to fraud???
Buen_pues.... 'to be born on planet earth' is....an invitation to fraud.

and, thank you.

merceytwo says on Jul 25, 2007, 16:18:

hi, what about colombian men wanting to marry american women? i went to colombia for i week. stayed with a great colombian family. one cousin asked to marry him. said we could live in colombia or us. he is alot younger than me.what do you guys think. he did ask to come for a visit in the furture.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 25, 2007, 19:44:

Merceytwo, I think it's an excellent idea if you're prone to making marriage decisions after only one week. If there's any doubt, you might want to get a 2nd opinion from the Magic Eight Ball.

:-)

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 19:58:

If everything is on the apparent up and up, how long should a fiance visa, versus a spousal visa, take to get approved?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 20:00:

I am visiting an introduction agency soon[I prefer to call it that instead of marriage agency, and so do the women there in Colombia], and anyway, that is why I am wondering between fiance and spousal visas. Bringing a woman here on a fiance visa seems to make more sense if the two of us plan to live here.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 20:04:

Tinto....is it against the rules here to offer a poster, merceytwo, the use of my Ouija Board???

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 20:15:

anybody of you folks planning to be in Bogota the first couple of weeks of July?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 20:26:

Little Known Fact:

Ouija Boards are much more accurate than those Magic Eight Balls.....and they dont leak that nasty black fluid when you throw them at moving cars belonging to other barrios.....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 20:31:

we have our own unique ouija boards y magic 8 balls, our own feeling guidance system. If we are in a good feeling place, we can tell if something feels good or bad. ignore that advice to our own peril

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 20:55:

damn, christo, why do you always make sense to me?? =)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:01:

sorry Miguel, I was just thinking I am really not as serious as I seem to be here so far, as a newbie. I am actually pretty funny and easygoing. I guess I am just getting my feet wet here with you guys. O proposito, I am glad they kick the particularly mean trolls out, then again, it makes me worry about having fun going after somebody every now and then

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:05:

just make use of the PM function.....many times disputes are solved really easily with a few PMs, because internet forum posting dont have the feel and taste of real in person conversations...many times it is just a simple misinterpretation of words.......

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

goin_south says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:07:

""our own feeling guidance system."""???

Indeed, some (even here on this board) are like BAD....MISSILES..... with guidance systems GONE WRONG. jejee.. Maybe even me; who knows???

"""Bringing a woman here on a fiance visa seems to make more sense if the two of us plan to live here."""????

Chrisobeldawg... neither makes any damned sense atall. Haven't you read enough on pbh? Tis a SENSELESS AND MIS-GUIDED MISSION WE ARE ON.
Time-cosuming.
Senseless.
Costly.
Inexcusable (for the ones that DIDN'T WORK OUT.)
Fool-hardy....
Todos es gringos muy locos.

And, why are you inquiring on July 25, if anyone here is going to be in Bogota the FIRST TWO WEEKS OF JULY? What year, sir? jejee... 2008? '09? que?

and, thank you.

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:08:

que es pm funciona Miguel? how is my espanol there? muy malo, se.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:10:

did I say July goin south? I meant to say first couple of weeks of August. feeling guidance system sounds a bit new agey but I like the feel of it somehow

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:16:

PM is the feature here you can send a personal message to another PBH member, and everyones personal email address is protected....the PMs, in theory at least, are all recorded by the software.....click on a posters name, for example, say billyb, and his profile will pop up....you can then click on the send message tab and a comment box will open up....type in "Chúpame, Sr, Rústico!" and then hit send.....billyb will then get that message in his personal email account and promptly call my house to yell at me......try it so we can see if it works.....i will let you know what his reaction is.....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:27:

I sent whatever that message might mean to you Miguel. That other poster might beat my up. You, however, seem to be a kind person, not nearly as likely to track me down and have me horsewhipped.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

billyb says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:28:

What did you say MC? I have you on ignore like everybody else here jajaja.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:28:

how is your spanish? dude, i speak spanglish as i live in a state where there is only mojados and gringos, and some chinos........which is all i have grown up with.....you have to ask some of the more qualified people here...but there are lots of threads here on the best way to learn spanish....with websites, CDs, etc...i enjoyed Pimsleur CDs, which my former employer bought for me, when i complained that Colombian spanish was foreign to my ear...jajajaj....i had lots of interfacing with Colombian muckeymucks before i retired....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:34:

naw...billyb is one big dude...i am no PeeWee Herman, but i hate having to look up to some guys just talk to them.....i met him in person, and i got some of the best advice a man could ever recieve in life....."if you drop your wallet on the ground on Polk Street in San Francisco, dont think of picking it up, just kick it all the way down to Market Street!"..billyb is good people...and a real live Colombiano.....

dont worry about the horsewhippin...gringoskin cowboy boots are not in demand....yet...jajaja

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:34:

I started with Spanish for Gringos, and still refer to it often. I took a speed spanish class online at the local university. I am not starting on Pimsleur. I am getting better but am still, let's face it, very weak. If I was college aged, I would do some type of 2 or 3 month total immersion type thing.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

billyb says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:42:

Oh, Ok, I'll take you off ignore MC jaja.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:47:

just learn as you go...practice makes perfect..get a good dictionary, and practice reading and translating the Solo En Espanol section here....but for most practical purposes, conversational spanish is what you need....everyone learns differently, but l learn new words from this site all the time,,,...jajaja..even english words.....(ie, jingoism...jajaj)..its all building blocks...hell, we even have a poster here who is fluent in Qwack Language...Goin_South...kind of a weird duck, but hes cool too.....but stay away from that Sailor Jerry stuff which he likes.....causes duck senility, we believe.....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

billyb says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:52:

Cdawg, what is pimsleur?

goin_south says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:57:

billy, if it comes out, that he's hung himself with DUCK Tape, please call me fast, so I can change my icon/emoticon!!

and, thank you.

billyb says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:01:

If he did, wouldn't they come looking for you to see if you provided it?

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:13:

billyb pimsleur is a spanish course. it is built around learning by phonetics, from what I understand of it. I have the cd's but have not gotten into it yet. this trip to Bogota, I am going to still be flying blind, with very limited language skills.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:14:

Billyb...Pimsleur is an expensive 3 level Spanish course (many other languages as well) based on repititon and conversational spanish....my former employers paid for the full course for me (=/- $700) and they bought me this funkyass Spanish for Police Work cd collection...that was useless....i have all three levels, and its a quite easy course to take at your own pace....i even bought the English for Spanish Speakers 3 level collection for my admiradoras in foreign countries...jajajja.....if you want i can burn you a copy of the English for Spanish Speakers, billyb???? JAJAJAUJAJAJJA>>>

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:18:

to be honest, my Pimsleur copies are borrowed from a friend, so I paid nada for them. I just decided to wait until coming back from Bogota this trip to start on them. I have friends there who will help me work on my Spanish, and I will help those friends with their English. I still think, at some point, total immersion in the language is the key

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

billyb says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:20:

No thanks, I'll leave it for your "admiradoras", but I do think your former employers should get their money back though, since it obviously didn't work, jaja.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:23:

christo...load em up on your iPod.....something to do when in the air, or waiting on the airport....

no way billy, getting shit from those frogtight arses is next to impossible....but i did convince them to subscribe to some righteous Latina magazines....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:24:

If I had known a year or 2 ago that I would be exploring a potential wife in Colombia, I would have been all over this Spanish learning, but I had no way of knowng that, so I will just continue to work on it now. I would recommend to any of you that, if you want to develop a true relationship with someone from Colombia, that you learn as much Spanish as possible. Most guys think that the girls just need to learn English, but I am beginning to think it is almost as important that the guy learns Spanish

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:24:

or sitting on the toilet seatless crappers at Bogota airport.....oh, BYOTP if you are smart.....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:28:

my ipod? my iphone? I got none of that. all of my money for this year is going into the relationship for life, hopefully, stuff. I did buy one for a teenage friend of mine, but for me, I don't have one.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:28:

Both ends working toward the middle ground is a great comment.....i have a friend who is married to a great girl in BAQ ...i flew down for the wedding....he REFUSES to learn spanish, saying that she needs to learn english...that puts all the pressure on her to establish correspondence between the two....that is crazyyyyyy.....how are they going to communicate if there is no effort on both parties is beyond me.....must be like two deaf people in a realtionship....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:29:

yeah, why are they seatless, do ya think?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:32:

christo...loosen up a little..those spiders in your wallet need exercise, bro...iPod shuffles are about $75 and you can load up at least 2 of those Pimsleur levels on that puppy...plus you will look cool wearing white ear buds....jajajj

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:32:

must be related to security, but pleeez, really hard to relax, read the paper when holding yourself up by those handicap handles

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:37:

i think for a couple of reasons: 1. Halloween costumes, and 2. Closet Rednecks in Colombia:

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:39:

yeap miguel, that is funny. I will look into ipod shuffles, never heard of those. I am known by my friends as someone who will spend tons of money on something, and yet will whine about little expenses. I inherited that from my Dad, who came from the great Depression. that is my excuse, I am sticking to it.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:51:

I am not too focused on the language at this point, as I am leaving very soon. I am working on, because I know I will soon be overwhelmed by femine loveliness, nailing down the most important qualities I am looking for in a lifelong mate. I will work on the language over time, too late for that ahorra mismo

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 22:53:

i pod shuffles are really tiny too...go to ipod.com and check out the shuffles....tiny little modefoques, 1G in total ,which is about 1000 songs capacity...plenty of room for pimsleur cd which you would upload to your ipod from your computer...open that wallet up and let them little depression era spiders out for some R&R....i have a ipod nano for the gym, hockey, and mountain biking....and a video ipod....billyb loaded up all his porno shit on his video ipod...has both english and spanish XXX on his....plus some homemade snuff films.....jajjaja...

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 23:10:

billyb the giant is going to take you out miguel. he hates his porno habit being exposed here. uhoh. perhaps I invest in apple, as I left them for dead years ago. if the teenagers are onto it, I like it. there I go again with the wallet spiders, I will invest some big bucks into a company that I am scrimping on buying the 79 dollar project from. come on christobeldawg, what am i gonna do with me?

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

goin_south says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:18:

""""if you want i can burn you a copy of the English for Spanish Speakers, billyb???? JAJAJAUJAJAJJA>""""

I'm a Curious Duck; do the courses for English for Spanish speakers include a section about LISTENING? Well, to my experience, at least in the COLOMBIAN VERSION... THEY NEED a section for 'DON'T INTERRUPT... AN ENGLISH SPEAKER IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS/HER SENTENCE'... 'be kind; be courteous. allow an english speaker to finish, not only their spoken word, but allow them to finish their thought. English speakers don't run on and on and on and on and ...........ON! while you are talking. Learn to listen, (TO MORE THAN ONE F*QN WORD AND THOUGHT, ... AT A TIME!) We know it's difficult to contain yourselves, but........LEARN TO LISTEN.

you'll be surprised at the increased communication/time saved....

This is the only thing that scares me about bringing a Colombiana here to the States.... .....
reminds me too much of an .......... EX-PERIENCE. jej... maybe no laughing matter.

HEY! S.H.U.T...... THE .... F.*q. .... up and L.I.S.T.E.N.

jus for a moment.... okay.

Oh, well.... I always said if the fire can burn on EVERY ACCOUNT, THEN... I CAN STAND THE HEAT! jajaja.... .... f/ a roasted Duck :)

and, thank you.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:27:

no section on Listening..but think of it this way...it shows she is interested in you...not like the American marriage where the couple sits at the breakfast table, each holding up a section of the newspaper while they face each other.....i would rather she interrupt me....but then again there is always a muzzle...jajajjajaja

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:27:

and i dont think billyb has read the snuff film comment yet..jajajaj..

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

billyb says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:31:

Hey Daffy, it will never happen. It's as Colombian as arepas to interrupt other people in mid-sentence and the louder you speak, the more intelligent your point of view is ;) Does that sound like anybody or two you know? jaja.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:38:

well, lookie here...its hop-along cassidy!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

billyb says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:43:

snuff film comment???

goin_south says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:48:

that wouldn 't be ..... Rabbito de Valledupar, now, would it?

and, thank you.

billyb says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:50:

What the fuck? This is turning into Looney Toones ;)

billyb says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:55:

Maybe Hugo will buy it for his old buddy Fidel as a "parting" gift.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:56:

billyb....look up 11 comments abover your snuff film comment??? jajajjaja

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

goin_south says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:56:

pbh is ... as PBH does.....Looney tunes... best call yet. billyb.

and, thank you.

billyb says on Jul 26, 2007, 22:59:

I see it MC, jajaja.

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goin_south says on Jul 26, 2007, 23:07:

What a bunch of F*cking sh*t!
No wonder they had to increase the F****ng fees.
Notice where they say...."brought to you for no additional f*qn fees"???? yeah,... they're like my f*qn bank, eh? NO CHARGE FOR ELECTRONIC (INVISIBLE) WORKERS.....

Like... did they tell me or give me any pertinent info???? NOOOOOOO.

SAVE THE cyber-space, Baby!

and, thank you.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 26, 2007, 23:13:

damn,..dude ..i thought your USCIS letter was from the United State Correctional Institute for the Sanity-challenged.....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

goin_south says on Jul 26, 2007, 23:24:

billy....

and, thank you.