Juanes negociaría con la guerrilla si fuera presidente

romy says on May 23, 2008, 09:48:

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22 de mayo de 2008 - 19:19
Juanes negociaría con la guerrilla si fuera presidente

MADRID (Reuters) - El cantante colombiano Juanes afirmó el jueves que lo primero que haría si fuera presidente sería negociar con la guerrilla, en declaraciones hechas durante la presentación en Madrid de su gira "La vida", que recorrerá 15 ciudades españolas entre los meses de junio y julio.

"No solamente hay que hablar de amor y desamor, hay otros temas en la vida", dijo el artista que se ha destacado por su veta solidaria luchando contra las minas antipersonales en su país.

Además, ha promovido iniciativas como el concierto "Paz sin fronteras", una función benéfica durante la crisis diplomática entre Colombia, Ecuador y Venezuela.

Al ser preguntado sobre que haría si fuera presidente Juanes ríe y afirma: "Nadie votaría por mi".

"Lo primero que haría sería negociar con la guerrilla, realizar una reforma agraria y una repartición de la riqueza mucho más equilibrada", señaló.

"La negociación es difícil pero cada vez se acerca más el momento de que el Gobierno se siente a negociar. El Gobierno no puede acabar con la guerrilla y la guerrilla no puede acabar con el Gobierno", dijo, optimista respecto a la posibilidad de lograr la paz en Colombia.

Juanes dice que vive en paz en Medellín, sin excesiva seguridad de por medio, y advierte de que existen muchos prejuicios con respecto a esa ciudad que "ha cambiado mucho en los último 15 años", aunque reconoce que no todos sus compatriotas gozan de su suerte.

"Con Miguel Bosé queremos cambiar la carta de derechos humanos, queremos crear un movimiento en todos los países para que la gente firme, para enviarlas a las Naciones Unidas, porque hasta ahora no incluye el derecho a vivir en paz", dijo el cantante.

Juanes, quien se ha declarado de "centro extremo", siente que en Latinoamérica falta inversión social y expresó su simpatía por las Orquestas Juveniles e Infantiles de Venezuela, un sistema de inclusión a través de la música al cual se le acaba de otorgar el Premio Príncipe de Asturias de las Artes.

A FAVOR DE LOS DERECHOS PARA LOS INMIGRANTES

El artista, que dejó su país de origen para buscar suerte en Los �ngeles, se solidarizó con los inmigrantes lamentando la falta de derechos para ellos.

"Salir de tu país implica perder derechos, el derecho a voto, por ejemplo", dijo el colombiano, quien durante su gira por Estados Unidos trabajó en la campaña "Rock the Vote" para que los ciudadanos latinoamericanos voten en las elecciones presidenciales y parlamentarias de noviembre.

El cantante colombiano pasó sólo unas horas en Madrid de camino a Marruecos y a Japón, pero volverá a España el 18 de junio para dar comienzo a su gira en la ciudad extremeña de Cáceres.

Juanes considera que esta gira es mejor que los anteriores y no descarta sorpresas en las actuaciones, que tendrán un montaje realizado Ray Winkler, el mismo escenógrafo que trabaja con los Rolling Stones, Robbie Williams y U2.

El cantante, que ha vendido más de 10 millones de discos, ha sido catalogado por la revista Times como una de las 100 personas más influyentes del mundo, sin embargo, él no se siente así.

/Por Ariela Navarro/

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romy says on May 23, 2008, 09:49:

Cada dia me impresiona mas Juanes como a crecido como persona...

"Lo primero que haría sería negociar con la guerrilla, realizar una reforma agraria y una repartición de la riqueza mucho más equilibrada"

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tasco66 says on May 23, 2008, 09:54:

Al ser preguntado sobre que haría si fuera presidente Juanes ríe y afirma: "Nadie votaría por mi".

He got that one right at least!

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 23, 2008, 10:29:

Yo votaría por el. Estoy sorprendida por la fama de medioparaco que tenía. El hombre tiene cabeza Y corazón.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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romy says on May 23, 2008, 10:31:

"fama de medioparaco que tenía"
de la misma escuela que Uribe...

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gatogris says on May 23, 2008, 10:46:

Anyone who looks as good in leather pants as he does is eminently qualified to lead a negotiating team. He could even use the line "we must never negotiate from fear, but we must never fear to negotiate" in a song. I'm sure the sight of him mincing around with his shirt open to the navel and his firm, sleek haunches in all that glistening leather would cause the FARC delegation to melt sighing into his arms. And when he opened his moist, pouting lips and released his orphelian, nightingale-esque, sweet dulcet voice, well, that would be all she wrote for the FARC. They would mob him shrieking like Beetlemania teenyboppers circa 1965. After all, like the man said, "Music hath charms to soothe a savage beast, to soften rocks, or bend a knotted oak."

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ColombianoGringo says on May 23, 2008, 10:48:

Desde cuando importa un carajo lo que diga un cantante? Sabrá mas de maternidad de burros que de política. Que mejor se preocupe por sacar mejores canciones , porque sus ultimas han estado bastante mediocres.

Es muy bonito hablar de paz y reformas populistas, pero es algo completamente diferente tener la capacidad de efectuar semejantes cambios.

Ah perdón, ahora veo que va a involucrar a Miguel Bose. Eso cambia todo! Ja Ja.

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romy says on May 23, 2008, 10:50:

CG- la musica es un instrumento fundamental de la cultura y la sociedad. Importa Mucho!

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ColombianoGringo says on May 23, 2008, 10:56:

Si. La música es un elemento fundamental de la vida, pero eso de que "la música puede cambiar el mundo" es pura paja. Recuerda que yo trabajo en esa industria y conozco las actitudes cínicas de los artistas y quienes los manejan.

Cuando la mayoría de artistas hacen cosas "altruistas" es por fines de publicidad y son pura carreta. Como los huevones que chillan sobre el medio ambiente, pero vuelan parriba y pabajo en jets privados. No digo que Juanes tenga malas intenciones, pero tampoco creo que tiene la capacidad para lograr verdaderos cambios sociales.

Dame un ejemplo de algún cambio drástico que haya efectuado un artista con su música. Lo único que puedo pensar es en ayudar a coleccionar fondos para causas caritativas. Aun esas vainas, se gastan una gran porción de el dinero en costos de producción, publicidad, etc.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 23, 2008, 10:59:

I agree with CG.

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Mononoke28 says on May 23, 2008, 11:18:

Yo también estoy de acuerdo. Me da gusto ver que está dando la cara por Colombia pero una cosa es ser político y otra es ser artista, son dos monstruos completamente diferentes. O sino pregúntenle a Rubén Blades por qué no ha podido ser presidente de Panamá.

Diana

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gatogris says on May 23, 2008, 11:20:

Well, CG, I don't have a particularly high opinion of Juanes, but recent songs that changed the world include:

Elvis Presley's "That's All Right," the first rock-and-roll song, a genre which led directly to a relaxation of strict sexual mores.

Bob Dylan's "Blowin' in the Wind," just one example of the many protest songs that fanned the flames of popular protest worldwide in the 60s and 70s.

Lewis Allen's "Strange Fruit," about lynching in the south had a direct impact on popular perceptions of racial intolerance.

Bob Geldof's Band Aid and its trademark song "Do they know its Christmas?" raised $300 million dollars for charity in Africa, "We Are the World," Michael Jackson's similar project, and, as for in Latin America, "Cantaré, Cantarás" which raised an enormous amount for underprivaleged children and helped raise awareness about their plight, as well as various musical projects that galvinized international support to end apartheid in South Africa, etc.

Looking farther back, Mozart's "Cosi fan Tutti" (in particular the libretto) and Beethoven's Ninth are both considered to have directly impacted the lives of their contemporaries.

I think the key here is that a musician best changes the world by making good music, the music is the message ya know, not by stepping up on a soap box and making silly pronouncements.

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Simon says on May 23, 2008, 11:29:

Pues que lástima que Juanes sean tan ingenuo, acaso se le olvido la voluntad de dialogar de las FARC con el gobierno Colombiano bajo Pastrana?

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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ColombianoGringo says on May 23, 2008, 11:34:

Most of things you mention have been primarily cultural influences with little direct political effects. The protest songs probably had the most influence on public policy.

There have certainly been some great fund raising efforts by the music industry, but a lot of that money gets eaten up by production, publicity and travel costs. Still, these types of events usually have positive effects.

On a tangent, I will have to disagree with you about elvis. Even if you discount the black artists that came before, Bill Hailey and the Comets recorded "Rock Around the Clock" a few months before "That's Alright" (which was a cover of an Art Crudup song. In general, I can't stand elvis. He was a horribly overrated act that was as canned and prepackaged as Menudo or New Kids on the Block.

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gatogris says on May 23, 2008, 11:45:

You are certainly spot on about Elvis' talent - he really was quite an insipid musician and unappealing person, as his 'late-stage,' Vegas-era obesity and borderline pedophilia attest. Moreover, he earned his obscenely huge income loff of the creative sweat and authentic writing prowess of black artists, who remained dirt poor and unrecognized. He never acknowledged his outrageously large debt to their efforts, an unforgiveable lapse.

However, I was referring to the sociological impact his songs had on a stunningly huge audience. Elvis' success was a feat of mass marketing (thank the Colonel) more than anything else, but a feat nonetheless.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 23, 2008, 11:54:

Lots of performing artists have had political careers and become congressmen and women cashing on their popularity and getting their voice heard later in life.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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MitchAlvarez says on May 23, 2008, 12:36:

Juanes tambien es humano. Todos a veces hablamos mierda.

Juan Esteban parcero dediquese a lo suyo mijo que de presidente si veo que no sirve papa.

Aprecio mucho todo lo que hace por nuestra tierra pero decir ingenuidades como esta no sirven para nada.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Cerealkiller says on May 23, 2008, 13:23:

Well Desi while agree with you on the issue of artists becoming politicians I often think they suck -Reagan, creepy bastard- That said, politics is a social activity, is part of what makes us human and just because someone does not hold the right credentials doesn't mean they should not be giving an opinion, or that his/her opinion is worthless... Think about it, if that were the case, there would be a VERY few of us who could talk politics on this website as a result of having the right credentials.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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ColombianoGringo says on May 23, 2008, 13:34:

Don't forget Sonny Bono was a congressman and now we have the lead singer from the band Orleans as a freshman congressman.

CK, We are probably too honest. That might be a disqualification.

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Cerealkiller says on May 23, 2008, 13:45:

Honest in thoughts and intentions CG, but we must admit the lack of real knowledge is rampant, and that is indeed a disqualification.

In Juanes' defence though (I can't believe I am actually defending a celebrity) I am pretty sure the guy has more first hand info than most people here. His humanitarian work has put him in touch with people who are on all sides of the issue: busting their asses out in the countryside, dodging the bullets (quite literally), mourning their loved ones and designing policies, doing social work, raising funds etc. I very much doubt the furibistas on this website have gone any deeper than maybe reading El Tiempo or installing Caracol Noticias on their dish, but hey, as long as no one here is a member of congress or the president himself then everyone is equally disqualified.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 23, 2008, 13:51:

An artist is good to promote, do fundraising, make awareness, but when gets involved in politics nah

the situation in colombia is more complex, for an artist to say i will do this and that.... yeah del dicho al hecho hay mucho trecho

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ColombianoGringo says on May 23, 2008, 13:53:

You'd be surprised CK. I know a lot of people that work on the Hill and few congressmen start out with a great knowledge of all the issues they face. That is why they hire legislative directors and assistant. On top of that, all committees have staff that specialize in correspondent area of policy.

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Atrevido says on May 23, 2008, 13:57:

So is Juanes´ father still alive?

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huskie says on May 23, 2008, 14:01:

Maybe that would apply to Shakira, El Pibe, and Carlos Vives running for president!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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Cerealkiller says on May 23, 2008, 14:02:

hahaha CG i am not talking about people at the Hill/ congress/ etc etc...Im talking about PBH people :P

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 23, 2008, 14:05:

yeah el pibe for president or kid pambele

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ColombianoGringo says on May 23, 2008, 14:06:

That's my point. Many new congresspeople are nothing more than professionals like you and I with nothing more than business experience in their chosen field. It's true that many are lawyers and consequently know more about the law, but many are doctors, businessmen, engineers and of course, entertainers.

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gatogris says on May 23, 2008, 14:11:

In politics, judgement is at least as important as issue knowledge or experience, as inexperienced politicians themselves always trumpet. If judgement is a key part of the qualifications for high-level decision-making, than perhaps Juanes' ill-advised blurtings serve to disqualify him. My 5-year-old goddson likes to talk about what would happen "if he was president" too. But I think his tendency to gleefully shoot his own loving family with a bow and arrow for fun might cause some alarm in Narino Palace.

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Cerealkiller says on May 23, 2008, 14:17:

Well exactly, so saying that a singer /artist (whatever) cannot be taken seriously in these matters (because some just don't agree with his position) is just a bit silly. That was my initial point, to dismiss someone's POV because they are not trained in a certain field (maybe hard sciences but social sciences?) is just silly. Yes, of course people who are directly involved in these issues will have much more credibility but at the end of the day it is the ignorant, uninformed, and the poor who put people in power as they account for the vast majority of the votes...much more dangerous in my opinion that having some rock star (who's actually a bit more informed than the average joe) saying "this is what I would do"...Obviously I am not making much sense right now (and Im sober)...my aim is really that of pointing out that I think its quite funny when people dismiss other people's opinions based on their 'lack of qualifications', yet seem to believe they are right in saying whatever they come up with (without much evidence to support it). I am rambling...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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PALEOLITICO says on May 23, 2008, 14:19:

Tan hermoso!, es que él es espectacular. Un hombre inteligente, de gran corazón y que nunca la fama se le ha subido a la cabeza. Mantiene siempre esa humildad y ese don de gente. Para mi es el "Bono" latinoamericano y respeto su punto de vista politico, aunque con mis grandes dudas de si eso si podria hacerse (lo de negociar con la guerrilla).

"Una repartición de la riqueza mucho más equilibrada". Ese seria el sueño mas grande por realizar. Ojalá algo así pudiera ser posible en Colombia.

Enseñame a enseñar.

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billyb says on May 23, 2008, 14:25:

"yeah el pibe for president or kid pambele"

I'm with you Kat, would love to see the Kid knock old chavvie on his a$$ at their first meeting of the Rio group ;)

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romy says on May 23, 2008, 15:51:

It's not that an artist's voice should be taken as if it was 'written in the bible'. But I admire Juanes for saying these things that in a sense go against the 80% (or whatever it is) of Colombian opinion. Especially knowing where he comes from. So CG I don't think it's just publicity.

CK- I also find it humorous that people probably with less of a sense of politics than Juanes dismiss his opinion because he's a singer. and their views differ.

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ColombianoGringo says on May 23, 2008, 15:59:

I don't know about Juanes educational background so this doesn't refer to him.

However, I would imagine that most singers and entertainers don't have a lot of formal education outside of their art, whereas a professional like a doctor, engineer, programmer, etc. probably has at least a college degree if not a graduate degree.

It is likely that an competent professional is probably a lot better educated and more informed than the average singer spouting their opinions on television.

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Lisa Zee says on May 23, 2008, 15:59:

He has my vote anytime!. Schwarzenegger was a movie star and he is doing very well here as a Governor, the Governator!.

I am with PALEO. VIVA JUANES. he is real, he has a heart and soul!

VIVA JAUANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mr. Hollywood says on May 23, 2008, 16:02:

By the time Juanes becomes president in 2013 I think negotiating with the few remaining FARC to come in from the cold will make perfect sense. He can offer them a tinto and a warm place to lay their aging bones for the last few years of their lives while the shiver with dengue and malaria relapses. It'll be great.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 23, 2008, 16:11:

and we all can sing kumbaya

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MitchAlvarez says on May 23, 2008, 17:13:

Paleo and Lisa, Im with Juanes too. I think Juanes is great.

But on this topic i think he needs to shut his mouth.

Negotiation with las FARC. Hell no!!! Que acaben con esos hp.

Sorry our country has suffered too fuckin much for even considering negotiation with those pigs.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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MitchAlvarez says on May 23, 2008, 17:27:

yes buggy.......i said it.

Dejeme quieto papa que no estoy de humor pa guevonadas suyas.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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billyb says on May 23, 2008, 17:30:

"Mr. Hollywood says on May 23, 2008, 16:02: flag

By the time Juanes becomes president in 2013 I think negotiating with the few remaining FARC to come in from the cold will make perfect sense. He can offer them a tinto and a warm place to lay their aging bones for the last few years of their lives while the shiver with dengue and malaria relapses. It'll be great."

jajaja, so true, H. The three of them that are left will be at the negotiating table, conveniently located at an old folks home in Putumayo, with their little oxigen tank masks and their depends.

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MitchAlvarez says on May 23, 2008, 17:41:

Mr. Buggy aka. farc lover, your usual ignorance and bs doesnt bother me because by now im used to it. i never address you or any of the other individuals who like to support and glorify all the anti colombia movements directly. so please dont address me directly. as a colombian i will continue to support all my people and the millions who suffere due to all the shit these inhumane animals do.

i wont fall for your bs. i have not time for foreigners who enjoy seeing the blood and suffering of my people.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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Lisa Zee says on May 23, 2008, 18:09:

buggy se te acabo el "sacol"? sera que ya cerraron las zapaterías!

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Mr. Hollywood says on May 23, 2008, 20:38:

Mitch, the "ignore" button works beautifully for people who are simply trying to get attention. Even makes their topics go away, not just comments. I recommend it.

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huskie says on May 24, 2008, 13:05:

Buggy, it is spelled Bush not Busch!!!! You ignorant fool
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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billyb says on May 24, 2008, 13:22:

Maybe he meant the beer and not the president?? Although Busch beer is not particularly good.

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tasco66 says on May 25, 2008, 06:34:

“Since I use the "ignore" button, PBH is much more fraternal and much less violent.�

Buggy nobody has posted more violent messages here than you and your other ids such as Cassini. I remember you even wished the death of another PBH member once.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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huskie says on May 25, 2008, 06:59:

Buggy: stop talking bullshollcks

bullshollock= A hybrid word consisting of 'bullshit' and 'bollocks' usually said to a person who is lying
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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