Juanes concert cancelled in Des Moines

Miguel says on Mar 4, 2006, 23:55:

"Sore Throat" If the pollen is anything in Des Moines like it is a little further south here in St. Louis, I would tend to believe it's true...and yes, your sarcasm comes through loud and clear...Los Tigres del Norte play here a couple of times a year and sell out every show. While I was in Colombia the last few weeks, Grupo Niche gigged in St. Louis, but only sold 250 tickets, which were priced at $40 a pop. The promoter took a bath, big time. The band saw the light turnout, and demanded payment before going on stage. ( Their contract called for a few thousand more plus first class airline tickets for their entourage)

The scheduled 10pm start time happened at 1:30am; they played an hour, and all parties involved left very disappointed.

I am very surprised Juanes was booked in Des Moines.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 5, 2006, 07:59:

Juanes in Des Mones? Are you sure it was THE Juanes? As to Niche not drawing people...well that is explainable, they simply don't have near the popularity that they used to have. I know in recent years, Joe Arroyo and Niche would be appearing together together just to make it more of an incentive for people to go.

These days, here in the US, Juanes will always draw more than Niche because of his tremendous popularity in the Mexican community. As to Los Tigres ....if they go where there are Mexicans, they will outdraw Juanes and Niche together. Los Tigres are timeless. Last time they were in Chicago, scalpers were selling their tickets for over $500.

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caulfield2 says on Mar 5, 2006, 08:01:

Yeah, I am from Iowa, and I just don´t see there being a big enough market for Juanes in that particular city. Maybe he´s bigger in ¨flyover country¨ than I thought, but I would think Chicago would be a much better place to play 2-3 times in a smaller theatre versus playing a site like the Des Moines Civic Center.

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jh816 says on Mar 5, 2006, 08:30:

El verdad Juanes Nope, it was the real Juanes. It suprised me too. I'm not sure about the sore throat though, I think they saw the turnout and decided it wasn't worth it. The tickets were $45 each and I think this scared away the mostly college student audience. A pretty large Mexican community here, but not much otherwise. Ah well, we're used to not drawing the big names anyway. Maybe they're scared of "he who walks between the rows"?

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Miguel says on Mar 5, 2006, 12:29:

G5 wrote "These days, here in the US, Juanes will always draw more than Niche because of his tremendous popularity in the Mexican community."

Not to mention he has been the most popular Latin artist in the last five years in all of the Spanish speaking countries. Shakira has that honor now.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 5, 2006, 16:11:

Oh...I am not argueing with you Miguel I agree with you Miguel, but with Mexican making up the largest Latino community in Chicago, the average young concert going Mexican is going to say "Grupo who?". Grupo Niche is a non issue in most of the United States. Look, if any Latin American artist is going to make it in the United States, they HAVE TO have the support of the Mexicans.

I'll put it another way, when I went to see Shakira in Concert back in 1996, Shakira did not know a word of English, and was not even thinking about singing in English. The modest sized concert hall was filled with 85% Mexicans and %15 everything else (which include Colombians).

So, of course Juanes is popular throughout Latin America, but if you cannot appeal to the Mexicans in the US, given the buying power that the US represents, you are going to lose out on a significant segment of the Latin American market. I can assure you, the Mexicans in this country buy more Juanes CD's, than many Latin Ameican countries combined...

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Monpirri says on Mar 5, 2006, 19:21:

Shakira through Latin America and the United States Shakira become successful in the states due to a combination of different factors. (If you know her music career well enough, you will find said factors!)
Although it is true that the largest ethnic group dominates the Spanish entertainment industry in the states, Shakira become known through Latin America, the United States and Spain via different marketing and advertising approach.

"And the fans have responded. On June 6th, more than 150,000 fans poured into Madrid's historic La Puerta de Alcala to see Shakira perform in celebration of the launch of Fijacion Oral vol. 1. On June 8th, her New York appearance at the Virgin Megastore in Times Square drew masses of fans closing down several city blocks. Over the next two days, Shakira's explosive CD signings in Miami and then Puerto Rico attracted thousands and thousands of fans."

http://blog.sonymusic.com/sonybmg/archives/007905.html

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Mar 5, 2006, 19:42:

Juanes and Carlos Vives They also chose the same strategy and they become successful without the conventional blueprint.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 5, 2006, 20:29:

But Monpirri "Shakira become successful in the states due to a combination of different factors."

You forgot the most important factor......

SHE LEARNED ENGLISH!!
Here is my point.....and it is a clear as it get. Prior to her learning English, when Shakira came to Chicago, she came here year after year and performed at a place called The Aragon. Who else performed there? Groups like Grupo Niche (when they were poplular), the Mexican group Los Temerarios (Mexican) and a bunch of other groups that would draw ...maybe 2500-3000 people max. This place was is an area called uptown. No parking and an unsafe hood. Then Shakire learned English, and she came out with her first English cuts and CD, and she ended up performing at the Allstate Arena. Now who performs there? Try these no names: Juan Gabriel, Luis Miguel, and Los Tigres del Norte.....and next month Korn (and Korn is one of America's hottest). So, while Shakira was very popular in Latin America before she learned English, on the "world stage" she was a nobody until she learned English.

Hey, Look at Ricky Martin. By salsa standards, I don't particularly like him. But he still is popular. However, he is bilingual and if he did not perform in a bilingual manner, he would have never reached the level he is at today. You don't really think Ricky would have been peroforming at the closing ceremonies of the Winter Olympic if he only sang in Spanish do you? Sure, he sings some Spanish....just so people remember who he is, but ...come on.

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Monpirri says on Mar 6, 2006, 05:35:

Two different worlds You see everything according to your surroundings, according to your world in which you have lived for the past several years; your information is very regional and archaic.
In reply to your gross distortion: you were wrong to say that her success was due mainly to one ethnic group.
I said Shakira became famous in Latin America, US and Spain due to many factors!

You have now cited only one factor attributed to her success. Yes, Shakira crossover album to the English language is one of the factors. "Her English albums and its singles established Shakira's musical presence in the mainstream North American market and abroad."

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 6, 2006, 06:54:

Monpirri....;same nonsense with you. Monpirri, I came into this thread thinking that you can be civil. You clearly cannot. Once again, you have gotten personal in that your entire first paragraph has nothing to do with the subject, and contributes nothing substantively to this debate. Observe:

"You see everything according to your surroundings, according to your world in which you have lived for the past several years; your information is very regional and archaic."

The above paragraph was a personal remark, and has nothing to do with the issues disscussed here. How I think is how I think, and it does not make it any or more significant than your way of thinking.

Now that I have set that part straight, I'll comment on the substantive part that did contribute to the thread.

I did mention only one factor. And yes, you did say that many factors contributed to Shakira's success. So what? You said there were many factors that contributed to her success yet you did not mention ONE. So, what are you saying? On the other hand, my one factor, the fact that she learned English, was THE one factor that put her on the "World Stage" and not just a popular figure in Latin America. When she learned English, the wealthy White American, European, Japanese, and Australian, went out and bought her CD. Such was not the case when she was only popular in Latin America.

When she learned English, she went from performing in concert halls that held 2500 people, to performing in Stadiums and arenas that hold 20,000. What is so hard to understand about that?

Sure, I mentioned one factor, but it was the most important factor.

Now for the last time Monpirri, do me and yourself a favor. Before you hit the send button, reread your post and see if you can find line/words that start questioning my thinking as opposed to commenting on the subject. When you find them, you might want to delete them. Who knows, you might get so good at it, you might not have to edit future posts that you address to me at all.

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caulfield2 says on Mar 6, 2006, 08:10:

Other factors...

1) Talent, lol (I say that, only in the sense that many of the cookie-cutter female singers wouldn't know the first thing about playing a guitar or writing a song on her own)

2) She's one of the best dancers I have ever seen

3) Appearance


Really, quite simple...lump that in with English songs, and there you go. The same phenomenon happened with Selena, she didn't become known until she started recording in English. I am sure there are others...Thalia, because of her marriage, appearance and popularity in Latin America, is probably the next, although she won't ever reach the level of Shakira IMO.

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jerseygirl says on Mar 6, 2006, 08:25:

Juanes It's possible he cancelled because he really was sick. I saw him last Thursday in Newark, NJ. (I also saw him at the end of '03 at the Felt Forum, Madison Square Garden in New York.) He spoke the audience alot more at the NY show and generally interacted with them more. He was very energetic and it made for a fun show.
For last Thursday's show, he was late about an hour. They came out and apologized and said it was due to the weather. Gee, it's funny, the audience managed to get there on time. The show was supposed to start at 7:30, it started at 8:30. He seemed pretty tired and didn't talk to the audience as much. I enjoyed getting the chance to see him live, but to me he seemed a little worn out.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 6, 2006, 08:34:

OK Caulfield...I can accept that But you know something. A lot of it is luck. She is "hot". She is talented as well. But she was smart, or shall I say ambitious enough to learn English. Keep this in mind though. She has sort of fizzled out. Hell, look how much time it has taken her to pop out another album. Oh yea, on this web site she is still hotter than a tamale, but she has not produced very much since she came in here and set the world on fire.

Selena is a little different. First, she is American. She was born in Texas. Second, she had the natural ability to catch not only all Mexican Americans on fire, but Mexicans as well. And, if you want to make it big on the world stage in Latin America, you better make sure Mexico is on board. Heck, Mexcio City alone, and their 23 million or so people cannot be casually overlooked.

Finally, imagine how famous people like Luis Miguel would be, or Carlos Vives for that matter, if they would learn English. I would even throw Marco Antonio Soliz, into the mix too.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2006, 08:43:

One thing I hear not long ago was that Juanes said he would never sing in English. I think that is why the t-shirt that is in the market now the one that said "se habla Español"

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 6, 2006, 08:57:

In spite of the fact that she sang in Spanish, Selena's first language was English and her fluency in Spanish was limited (to say the least!) until she took an intensive Spanish course. I have to respect Juanes' decision to continue singing only in Spanish. In my observations most true Colombians resist English until the bitter end.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2006, 10:29:

No entiendo Ingles UC, que?

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 6, 2006, 10:40:

You seem to be an exception. Other than the Colombians who post on PBH and my stepkids, I don't know any Colombians living here who can speak English. The woman who has lived in San Antonio for 17 years and still can't speak English seems to be an extreme example of the norm. My wife can't speak English and probably never will. I've met six other Colombians living here and none of them could speak English either. It could be that Spanish is so widely used here that it provides little incentive to learn English so maybe my experience is skewed.

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Miguel says on Mar 6, 2006, 10:48:

Ustedes... Tengo dolor en mi cabeza...y kat1, Juanes dice que "no puedo escribir en íngles, porque sueño en español"

Y G5, what the fuck are you talking about Shakira"She has sort of fizzled out. Hell, look how much time it has taken her to pop out another album"????

She has released an album in Spanish and English within the last year.

Sorry G5, you have lost all of my respect.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2006, 10:50:

Je parle seulement espagnol et anglais, Monsieur miguel :)

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Miguel says on Mar 6, 2006, 11:01:

kat1 I hate French so do not f~~k with me.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2006, 11:06:

Miguel MAIS, C'EST LA LANGUE DE L'AMOUR ;)

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 6, 2006, 11:07:

Verdaderamente, Senora. "Je ne parle que anglais et espagnol".

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 6, 2006, 11:15:

No me gustan el francés tampoco pero el idioma francesa es maravilloso!

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Monpirri says on Mar 6, 2006, 12:24:

It was a trick and it worked! I posted at least two factors in my thread above, however, since I have learned that some people want to portray to be grandiose in a subject that they are not even familiar with, I stated in my thread, "if you know her music career well enough, you will find said factors!"
So at the speed of light, you went ahead and started to look for other factors and you did find one! Wow, should be proud of yourself.

Saulfield2 posted three more factors that are needed for an entertainment artist to be successful, but I posted two very important factors, while I encouraged you to look for the “factors”

Please do me a favor, join a Colombian club in your city, and stay with it at least five years, or get involve in a social organization in Colombia where you can get touch with our culture so next time you post a comments/advises about Colombia or Colombians, it would be much appreciated!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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kernow62 says on Mar 6, 2006, 12:44:

UTC I could introduce you to many, many Colombians that speak English here in Orlando (a Spanish speaking community too), and I could point out a few who never learned more than a few words. Of those who don't speak English at least a couple do not even read in Spanish, so learning English might be a bit of a stretch. The others are too lazy to learn.

If you didn't speak Spanish at home your life would have a bit more incentive to learn. ;-) I know she is an intelligent woman.

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Colombiche says on Mar 6, 2006, 13:11:

I know colombianos who have lived in Canada for 30+ years and the only English they speak is "One cofi no chugar plis".

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Mar 6, 2006, 13:13:

Spanish is so delicious Hablar Espanol es tan rico, no hay nada mas rico que mentar la madre en chibchombiano.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 6, 2006, 18:01:

Miguel Miguel...you too? Boy, you people really come unglued, (or unscrewed) when someone speaks the truth. Get a life man. OK, Miguel, you claim Shakira produced 2 albums in less than a year. Look, guy, you forgot the mention that they were the SAME albums. One was in Spanish, and the second one was in English. But the titles are identical. Or.....did you learn a different Spanish than I did.

Secondly, can you tell me how many albums Shakira has done in English since she did her first one? Need help? Allow me.

Laundry List was made in Late 2001-- early 2002 Since then nothing. I'll say it again. Nothing. She had a greatest hits album in Spanish(nothing new). In 2004, she had another greatest hits album that recaped her world tour of 2002 and 2003. And, she had a second version of laundry Service (washed and dryed)(2002) that rehashed the same songs of the original one and maybe a new cut or two. But a big hit it WAS NOT..in act, only a limited amount went to press. And now a whole 4 years later, she finaly has come out with a brand new original album.

Wow....I'm imprssed. And you Miguel say that you lost your respect for me. I guess never had it to begin with. OK.....tell me I'm missing something

OK....so there it --- 2 albums in a little over 4 years. And you call that impressive?

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Miguel says on Mar 6, 2006, 23:56:

Track Listings Fijacion Oral 1 Disc 1 En Tus Pupilas La Pared La Tortura Obtener Un Si Dia Especial Escondite Ingles No Las De La Intuicion Dia De Enero Lo Imprecindible La Pared (Version Acustica) La Tortura (Shaketon Remix) Disc 2 La Tortura (Video) (DVD) Como Se Hizo "Fijacion Oral Vol. 1" (DVD) Conversacion Con Sanz

Oral Fixation 2 How Do You Do Don't Bother Illegal (Feat. Carlos Santana) The Day And The Time (Feat. Gustavo Cerati) Animal City Dreams For Plans Hey You Your Embrace Costume Makes The Clown Something Timor

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Monpirri says on Mar 7, 2006, 10:52:

Shakira Discography · 1991: Magia
· 1993: Peligro
· 1995: Pies Descalzos
· 1997: The Remixes
· 1998: ¿Dónde Están Los Ladrones?
· 2000: MTV Unplugged
· 2001: Laundry Service
· 2001: Servicio De Lavanderia
· 2002: Laundry Service: Washed & Dried
· 2002: Grandes Éxitos
· 2004: Live & Off the Record
· 2005: Fijación Oral Vol. 1
· 2005: Oral Fixation Vol. 2

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Mar 7, 2006, 10:56:

Just in case you are interested Biography

Shakira was born to a mother of Spanish and Italian descent and an American-born father of Lebanese background. Shakira says to be fluent in many languages including English, Spanish, Arabic, Italian, Portuguese and French, but most of them she speaks rather poorly. Still she's sung at least some lines in each of them.
She is a devout Roman Catholic.


Beginnings

Shakira began writing and composing music at the age of nine. One of the first songs she had written was "Tus Gafas Oscuras", and its lyrical message revolved around her father and his grief over a son who had passed away due to a car accident. At the age of ten, Shakira applied for her school choir, but she was rejected because her voice had been noted as "too strong." Friends teased her by saying she sounded like a goat. Shakira was deeply hurt and considered giving up on singing, but instead of that she started looking for other singing opportunities. She decided to compete in a weekly television singing competition for children, Vivan Los Niños. Shakira won the contest.

Between the ages of ten to thirteen, Shakira was invited to various events in Barranquilla, and became a local celebrity. At that time she met local theatre producer Monica Ariza, who was impressed with Shakira and helped to make her known outside Barranquilla. During a flight from Barranquilla to Bogotá, Ariza happened to be sitting next to Sony Colombia executive Ciro Vargas. Vargas agreed to hold an audition for Shakira, which took place a few weeks later in a hotel lobby. Vargas was impressed and returned to the Sony office and gave Shakira's cassette to the song and artist director, but he was not excited at all, and thought Shakira was "a lost cause."

Vargas was convinced that Shakira had talent, and set up a surprise audition in Bogotá. He tricked the Sony Colombia executives to this bar, and around midnight he announced he had a surpise: Shakira. She sang three songs, and her performance was a hit. Shakira was subsequently signed to write and record three albums.


1991–1994: Magia & Peligro

In June 1991, Shakira's debut album Magia (English: Magic) was released on the Sony label. The album launch was in the Teatro Amira de la Rosa, the biggest theatre in Barranquilla. The first single was the title track, a song she wrote for her first boyfriend, Óscar Pardo. The album, however, was not a commercial success, selling only one thousand copies.

In 1993, Sony rushed the recording of a poorly produced album Peligro (English: Danger) (produced by Eduardo Pazz), which was another flop. Shakira did not support the album and did not promote the album either. Although the ballad "Tú Seras La Historia De Mi Vida" was played on local radio stations, the dismal sales resulted in a quick disappearence of Shakira from the music scene.

Following the failures of her first two albums, Shakira turned to acting and played a role in a Colombian telenovela El Oasis, for which she also sung the theme song "Lo MÃo". She did not have any acting experience and was not good at it, but it was enough to enhance her popularity and widen her network of contacts in the entertainment business. During this time, she also met Patricia Téllez, the Director of Special Projects for Caracol Television, making Shakira the channel's exclusive artist.


1995–2000: Spanish market success

Shakira returned to the music business in 1995 with the album Pies Descalzos (English: Bare Feet), which established her commercial success. The album The Remixes was subsequently recorded and features remixes from the songs on Pies Descalzos, with some songs re-recorded in Portuguese.

Following the release of The Remixes, Shakira became acquianted with Emilio Estefan, Jr., who ended up working as an executive producer on Shakira's fourth studio album, ¿Dónde Están Los Ladrones? (English: Where Are the Thieves?) It was an expensive production, costing approximately $3 million. Singles from the album include "Ciega Sordomuda", "Moscas en la Casa", "No Creo", "Inevitable", "Tu", and the worldwide success "Ojos AsÃ." The album's blend of rock and Latin soundscapes made it a big success. In the year 2000, Shakira received two Latin Grammy Awards after nominated for Best Female Pop Vocal Performance and Best Female Rock Vocal Performance. Shakira also produced Shakira MTV Unplugged, a live album based on the singles from ¿Dónde Están Los Ladrones? This album was chosen to be the Best Latin Pop Album in Grammy Awards 2001.
In March 2000, she started her three-month long "Tour Anfibio" through Latin America and the United States starting in Panama and ending in Argentina upon popular request.


2001–2003: English market crossover

Upon the success of ¿Dónde Están Los Ladrones?, Shakira began working on a crossover album to the English language. Collaborating with Gloria Estefan, Shakira wrote and recorded English versions of the tracks from ¿Dónde Están Los Ladrones?, and new songs were also composed to create Laundry Service. Although it was aimed at the English language market, the rock and Spanish dance-influenced album also features four Spanish songs, including "Que Me Quedes Tú". Some critics claimed that Shakira's English skills were too weak for her to write in it (she was satirized in a MAD TV sketch), but Laundry Service was a success, yielding the worldwide hit "Whenever, Wherever" and singles "Underneath Your Clothes" (a Canadian number-one), "Objection (Tango)", and "The One". The album and its singles established Shakira's musical presence in the mainstream North American market. Shakira received her third Latin Grammy when her music video for song called Suerte (a Spanish version of Whenever, Wherever) was chosen to be the Best Music Video of the year.

In 2002, Shakira also released the Spanish greatest hits volume Grandes éxitos. A DVD and ten-track compilation album called Live & Off the Record, was released in 2004 commemorating Shakira's 2002-2003 world tour, the "Tour of the Mongoose". The name of the tour was derived from the fact that mongoose can defeat a cobra without being killed by its poison. The concerts were interspersed with visuals of a mongoose fighting a cobra.


2005–2006: Fijación Oral/Oral Fixation


Fijación Oral Vol. 1

Fijación Oral Vol. 1, Shakira's first Spanish language album since ¿Dónde Están Los Ladrones?, was released on June 6 2005 in Europe and on June 7 2005 in North America and Australia. The lead single "La Tortura" (The Torture, featuring Alejandro Sanz) became one of the only Spanish songs to debut on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100; though it took time, it eventually reached number twenty-three on the chart, the highest position for a Spanish song in the United States. In Canada, "La Tortura" also became the highest-charting Spanish song when it debuted and peaked at number twenty-one. Its success across the rest of the world was widespread and it managed to peak within the top ten of the majority of the charts it entered; it reached number four in Germany and number two in Switzerland. In the U.S., "La Tortura" spent a still-record twenty-five weeks at number one on the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks chart, making it the most successful Latin single ever.

The video for "La Tortura" made its debut on MTV's Total Request Live at number nine, and was the second Spanish music video ever to be included in the countdown. It reached a peak position of number four on the countdown, setting a record for highest Spanish position ever on the chart; it also achieved some success on VH1's Top 20 Video Countdown.

Fijación Oral Vol. 1 was simultaneously released in Latin America and charted at number one in almost all of its countries. It debuted at number four on the Billboard 200 and is currently the best-selling Spanish first-week sales album (157,000 copies), breaking Ricky Martin's self-titled album (number twelve, selling 60,000 copies). It was also well-received in non-Spanish speaking countries such as Italy and Germany, where it reached number one, Austria, where it reached number three, and Canada and Hungary, where it reached number seven.

The second single from Fijación Oral Vol. 1, "No" (English: No), was released in September 2005. It didn't match the international chart success of "La Tortura", however peaked at number one in Colombia for fourteen non-consecutive weeks. It also reached number one in Spain and many other LatinAmerica countries like Chile, Ecuador and Mexico.

Shakira, who performed at the 2005 MTV Video Music Awards in Miami, Florida on August 28 2005, was nominated for three MTV Video Music Awards: Best Female Video, Best Dance Video, and Viewers Choice for "La Tortura". Her performance at the awards ceremony made history as being the first performance ever that was sung completely in Spanish.

On December 8 2005, Shakira was nominated for a Grammy Award in the category of Best Latin Rock Album for Fijación Oral Vol. 1. Shakira won the award.


Oral Fixation Vol. 2

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Shakira's second English album, Oral Fixation Vol. 2, was released on November 29 2005 in North America and Australia, and also at this time in Continental Europe. "Don't Bother" has been well-received by music-critics as the album's lead single, but thus far has failed to peak within the U.S. top forty, reaching number forty-two.

On October 30 2005 at the Hackney Empire in Hackney, East London, England, Shakira presented her new album Oral Fixation Vol. 2 to more than two hundred and fifty competition winners and selected members of the British press. The concert (at which Shakira performed four tracks from the album as well as previous work) was hosted by MTV and was featured in the MTV 5 Star campaign following her performance. Shakira is one of the first artists to be featured for the campaign.

Oral Fixation Vol. 2 was placed in pre-order status weeks before its release at the iTunes Music Store. Under this status, it gave a pre-order song which would not be available after its release date. The remix of "Don't Bother" was available in the other stores as a purchaseable song, which was the pre-order song in the United States. The album is included with a digital version of the booklet.

The Album Cover of Oral Fixation is inspired from The Adam & Eve painting by Alexander Durer. The previous album's cover was inspired by the Freudian idea of a mother and child.

Recently the media has reported that Oral Fixation Vol. 2 has been censored in Egypt, the Middle East. Many Muslim nations have banned the song "How Do You Do" because of its lyrical content in which Shakira questions God. The song has been taken out of the album, and the cover has also been altered. Shakira appears behind a bush and is covered from her shoulders down, whereas her stomach is exposed in the North American and European LP cover editions. "Timor" is a political song relating to social issues.

The UK division of Sony BMG were reprimanded by Shakira's PR agency for incorrectly promoting the album in time for its worldwide release, resulting in the UK release date being postponed to February 27 2006. To help promotion in the UK, which has always been a difficult area for Shakira, a DualDisc version of Oral Fixation Vol. 2 will be released worldwide.

Shakira has recently confirmed that she will embark on her second worldwide tour in April 2006; she has also confirmed interest in beginning a family with her fiancé, as well as in taking a more relaxed approach to music.


Discography


· 1991: Magia
· 1993: Peligro
· 1995: Pies Descalzos
· 1997: The Remixes
· 1998: ¿Dónde Están Los Ladrones?
· 2000: MTV Unplugged
· 2001: Laundry Service
· 2001: Servicio De Lavanderia
· 2002: Laundry Service: Washed & Dried
· 2002: Grandes Éxitos
· 2004: Live & Off the Record
· 2005: Fijación Oral Vol. 1
· 2005: Oral Fixation Vol. 2

See also

*List of best-selling music artists
*Pop Latino
*List of artists who reached number one in Ireland
*List of artists who reached number one on the Australian singles chart
*Trivia

http://www.blinkbits.com/blinks/shakira

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 7, 2006, 11:35:

Yea, So what? She still only has 2 Albums she created in English. Both were released four years apart. The first at the end of 2001, (Laundry Service)and her most recent one released at the end of 2005 (oral fixation).

She came out with a bunch of mumbo jumbo greatest hits ones, which included a limited edition (re-release) of Laundry Service (washed and dried), in an attempt to squeeze more $$ out of her first release.

I don't know what anyone else thinks, but when you only have 2 CDs in 4 years, you cannot stay in the lime light. Sure she is going to tour in 2006. Hence the release of this most recent CD. Come on, do you think she could launch a tour with the last CD 4 years ago???? She is not the Rolling Stones, a group that can go 15 years without a CD and still sell out and have black market tics going for a $1000 a tic.

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Lucia Rojas says on Mar 7, 2006, 11:50:

Luis Giraldo Check out Luis Giraldo, a colombian jazz singer, singing in English. He grew up in Colombia and even played with Shakira in the early years. He has been called "the male Diana Krall". He sings in English.
www.luisgiraldo.com

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Monpirri says on Mar 7, 2006, 18:43:

Apology to Gomezman5 and Utopiacowboy I want to apologize to you Gomezman5 because it appears that I have been trying to picture you as member with skinny goat mentality towards Colombia and its culture, I also want to apologize to Utopiacowboy especially because you were not born in Colombian but you have been a very active member on PBH. You have shared numerous comments, humor and advises that have been very educational and welcome by many here on this forum.
Gomezman5, I've been a bit harsh with you because you have claimed to be from Colombia, but the fact is, that you are a Colombian and very good one in your own constitution, based on your educational and cultural background, or on your most recent experiences with Colombia.
On the thread above “It was a trick and it worked!”
I basically loose my temper when I sense cultural ignorance, inaccuracies or misinformation posted about Colombia on PBH.
I therefore, apologize for asking you to join a Colombian association so you become more knowledgeable about Colombia. The truth of the matter is that you already have knowledge about Colombia and also there are a lot of Colombians who reside in California, Texas that think almost identical as you do, you are not alone in your contentions. So, why it is the problem? Why you and I will never be able to agree in 100 years about issues posted on PBH concerning Colombia?

The dilemma resides in the way of we think. Your way of thinking and mine are very different! Our cultural reasoning is proportional to source of information that you, or us have been digesting for many years as resident of our own state. Although, the ongoing information may not be necessary ill intention, it is not of our best interest nor “this source” of information is a foundation or an enhancement to ones cultural shortcomings.


Why some Colombians and other citizens from other countries who live in other states or in other countries have the very same perspective as I do? The reason has nothing to do not with our DNA but rather with the information that we have selected to feed us, if you live in the US. Ok, perhaps demographics have something to do with it, but that’s another topic.

Our cultural knowledge becomes questionable and easy to defeat in any argument when we lack a solid cultural background. We, the Spanish speaking people, become every susceptible to the media that feeds us constantly with the same propaganda. We become more vulnerable, in particular when we do not want to learn the English language. We or rather they choose not to learn English because they are overwhelmed with the conventional Spanish TV and radio or the community. Many Spanish speaking person choose not to learn English because it is not necessary for them, they live in a world that does not require them to learn the language. In my opinion it is detrimental not to learn the new language and it is equally detrimental when we ignore the culture of the country in which we reside.

I am now able to see from where Utopiacowboy and Gomezman5 come from with their usual and constant invocation to the matter that attributes to their success, I consequently respect their professional opinions considering their cultural limitations in their own respective backgrounds and their own respective nationality.
I must say, I also posses cultural limitations for that matter and I have joined various cultural Colombian organizations across the states to keep up with what I enjoy the most.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Miguel says on Mar 7, 2006, 21:33:

Gomezman5 wrote: "I don't know what anyone else thinks, but when you only have 2 CDs in 4 years, you cannot stay in the lime light."

She has stolen the limelight in the last year...millions of CD's sold worldwide, Grammy awards, sold out concerts, not to mention she has earned the respect of her peers and a few heads of state. She is currently organizing a version of Live 8 that will take place in South America within the next two years.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 8, 2006, 18:56:

GringoD and once again MIguel Do me and yourself a favor, don't patronize people around here just so you can save face. OK? I think the word(s) are "sucking up". That's your typical rountine. I take a stand that "runs against the grain" then you just chime in with these vague, non specific remarks that are only designed to gain acceptance. It is so obvious. Your above post is indicative of what I am talking about.

Miguel, I don't know what your reading, or where you are getting your info, but sad to say, you are grossly misinformed. In fact, shortly before, and after, web site after web site, used the words "comeback" with the release of her most recent CD. MP3.com posted the following review:

"What the???"

Shakira - Fijacion Oral - nothing more than big boobies.

Shakira is a name that means some kind of cult to every younger teenager - or better said grown-child-not-too-intelligent-yet-a-yo-yo. She is a singer that cleverly gives money to every European commercial radio and TV station for everyday annoying rotations in present time. Although she's not from Europe, she has done big ballast to this market for the first time in 2001 with famous Laundry Service CD. A couple months ago I heard on the radio that Shakira was about to make a big comeback. I told myself "what the... after one year?!" I must admit that I miscalculated the number of years that have passed, but the truth is they were still playing hits from her past, Laundry Service on the radio. Yes, I thought, history is repeating itself.

The so-called "comeback" of this girl - cute but nothing more - is really a clever marketing trick to fool your young children and your wallet. This double CD really sounds like a good try, but not good enough to make me feel good about those megabytes I paid my ISP for while I was downloading it. One interesting song is called "No." Like all of the songs it is in Spanish. She tries to imitate male opera tenor, the melody is poor, perhaps there is no artistic idea in the song. Some of the songs are composed on synthetisers which sounds like Ace Of Base with poor obsessive melody and machine rhythm, sometimes reminding me of Justin Timberlake, while other songs wish to reveal the weak-minded pseudo-artist in the agonizing throes of no inspiration.

Your assertion that she sold millions of CD's world wide is ilogical and makes no sense. Are you saying that she is still selling millions of CD from the ONLY CD in English from 4 plus years ago. Are you nuts?
Nobody, but nobody can make a CD today, and expect to sell millions of copies of thea CD 4 years later. Do you understand dude, this girl has been gone, absent from the scene. You are communicating with a guy that has tons of music. I have been over 1500 albums when you add up all my CDs Cassettes and LP. That is in my home. My sister has another 300 LPs that I can't fit in my home. Don't tell my these silly stories.

It is clear that her producers are gambling everything on Shakira's big boobies, hoping to make money from a poo. I think there will be one big commercial hit from a remix of the song "La Tortura," also present on the first CD. I was too lazy to download the second disc - note that this would also cost me money! If you are seeking something to enthuse over, or the soundtrack for a romantic evening with your lover, or just background music for work, think twice about buying this record - you won't be satisfied either

_________________________________________________

Let me clarify something. In Latin America, she has remained very popular. I am speaking about her recognition here in the states and outside of Latin America. But even that statement is somewhat distorted because she arranges and performs a style of music that really does not have a lot of competition. Her pop rock and sometimes, by American standards "folkish" style makes her a very versatile and artistic performer. But don't over estimate her overall standing.

I'll say it again 2 English CDs in 4 years.....not very impressive

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Miguel says on Mar 8, 2006, 23:18:

Facts Fijación Oral Vol.1 has sold over 4 million copies as of 8 Mar 06.
Oral Fixation Vol. 2 has sold over 1.5 million copies as of 8 Mar 06 Those figures are available on the Internet.

I am not "grossly misinformed", or "telling my silly stories" (sic)

I work in the music business and have access to very accurate information regarding trends in every category of music.

Shakira's new single "Hips Don't Lie", with Wyclef Jean was the fifth most added song on Hot AC radio stations in the USA last week.

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Monpirri says on Mar 9, 2006, 09:49:

Attention G5 You wrote: “You are communicating with a guy that has tons of music. I have been over 1500 albums when you add up all my CDs Cassettes and LP. That is in my home. My sister has another 300 LPs that I can't fit in my home.”

It does not matter how many billions CDs or LPs you have in your home. You are not an expert on Shakira nor on any Colombian artist, per se. Your recent post on Shakira is an example of your attempt to remain grandiose in topics that you are unfamiliar with or you do not like nor you have any interest in them.

You said: “I take a stand that "runs against the grain” No, that’s not it! You are going in the wrong direction. You need to get more informed and I do not know what is your the line of work but you need to get better informed!!
Gomezman5, If you really “like to run against the grain,” do us a favor, contact the radio stations where you hear your news, or contact all your local newspaper from where you gather the news or contact the TV stations where you or your sister tuned up to and tell them that they are wrong regarding their feeble or substandard news towards Colombia or Shakira. They need to or you need to get with the program!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Mar 9, 2006, 09:52:

Shakira awards and Nominations

2006 : Won NRJ Music Award

category Best International Song of the Year for "La Tortura"

2006 : Won Grammy Award

category Best Latin Rock/Alternative Album for "Fijación Oral Vol. 1"
2005 : Won MTV Europe Music Award
category Best Female Act
2005 : Won American Music Award
category Favorite Latin Artist
2005 : Won Billboard Music Award
category Latin Song of the Year for "La Tortura"shared with Alejandro Sanz
2005 : Won Billboard Music Award
category Latin Pop Album of the Year for "Fijacion Oral Vol. 1"
2005 : Won Billboard Music Award
category Latin Pop Album Artist of the Year
2005 : Won XM Nation Music Award
category Artist Collaborations We'd Like to See shared with Usher
2005 : Won XM Nation Music Award
category Latin Artist of the Year
2004 : Won Premio Lo Nuestro Award
category Artista Femenina (Best Female Artist); (in Pop Genre)
2003 : Won World Music Award
category Best Latin Female Artist
2003 : Won Premio Lo Nuestro Award
category Artista Femenina (Best Female Artist); (in Pop Genre)
2003 : Won Premio Lo Nuestro Award
category Premio Del Pueblo Internet (People's Internet Award); (in Rock Genre)
2002 : Won MuchMusic Video Award
category People's Choice - Favorite International Artist
2002 : Won MuchMusic Video Award
category Best International Video (Artist) for "Whenever, Wherever"
2002 : Won Latin Grammy Award
category Best Music Video for "Suerte"
2002 : Won MTV Video Music Award Latin America
category Best Female Artist
2002 : Won MTV Video Music Award Latin America
category Best Pop Artist
2002 : Won MTV Video Music Award Latin America
category Best Artist from the North Region
2002 : Won MTV Video Music Award Latin America
category Artist of the Year
2002 : Won MTV Video Music Award Latin America
category Video of the Year
2001 : Won Grammy Award
category Best Latin Pop Album for "MTV Unplugged"
2001 : Won Ritmo Latino Music Award
category People En Español Most Popular Artist in The United States Male or Female
2001 : Won Ritmo Latino Music Award
category Rock En Espanol Artist or Group of The Year Male or Female
1998 : Won World Music Award
category Latin Female Artist of the Year

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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caulfield2 says on Mar 9, 2006, 13:05:

I don't know who said Shakira has big boobies, but the irony of that comment is that she actually makes fun of how small they are in one of her songs....something about them being like mosquito bites!

I do not necessarily agree with the claim that just because an artist takes four years to produce an album that it means they are dead in the water or they are in need of a comeback. I hate those bands that spit an album out every 9-15 months just to fulfill album contracts, just to put something out on the market of inferior quality.

Shakira has a number of different interests, she is not like Sean Combs or Jennifer Lopez yet, but she doesn't spend all of her time consumed by her music. Sometimes it's very healthy to get away and have some time to yourself...look at Mariah Carey as an example of a woman who overextended herself and basically had a nervous breakdown as a result.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 9, 2006, 13:41:

Miguel do you always edit prior posts ??? What a fraud! "This debate started as a result of the following post by Miguel:

"G5, what the fuck are you talking about Shakira "She has sort of fizzled out. Hell, look how much time it has taken her to pop out another album"????"


She has released an album in Spanish and English within the last year." (THIS IS TEXT THAT APPEARS ABOVE BUT WAT NOT THE ORIGINAL TEXT)

I answsered his question and prooved him wrong.

How much time did it take her to "pop" out another Album"
Answer: 4 years. Am I supposed to be impressed? Are you?

Miguel....shame on you for trying to edit your words....I did not know you go that low. Do you think I am that stupid so as not to catch you?

You clearly in your original post were impressed by the fact that she came out with 2 albums in one year. I'll help you with your original text. Fortunatly, you cannot edid mine. Observe:

"Shakira produced 2 albums in less than a year."

Those were your exact original words written by you because I followed it up with the following:

"you forgot the mention that they were the SAME albums. One was in Spanish, and the second one was in English. But the titles are identical......."

Then you went back and edited your original post to be consistent with my point. It now reads:

"She has released an album in Spanish and English within the last year."

Your busted Miguel. I have no respect for people who edit prior posts. You can disagree with me all you want, but if you are going to argue, than play fair. Editing prior posts to cover your ass makes you look like.......well......the very thing you are covering!!

I suggest you refrain from that activity in the future. If I can catch you, there are a whole lot of others that are as smart and even smarter than me that will catch you and your antics as well. You lost all credibility when you do that and when you lose credibility, what's left?

Monpirri
I never questioned her abilites or her talent. All I am saying is that she has been off the world stage for a long time. You can point out rewards until you collapse. She has not been very productive

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kernow62 says on Mar 9, 2006, 20:31:

G5 what is your point in this discussion. Is it that you believe Shakira is a hasbeen?

I don't see how an artist can win the acolades of her peers as well as the public, in not only awards heaped upon her but also in the sales of her CDs and be considered by any stretch of the imagination a hasbeen.

Personally I prefer her earlier work and don't own any of her later CDs, but I think she has more going for her than you are giving her credit for.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 9, 2006, 20:53:

Kernow... I never said she was a hasbeen. I have said, as well as MTV, Vh1, MP3, all have said she is making a "COMEBACK" with her new CD. I could not give a damn about all the rewards.....many of which that are mentioned above come from people who give rewards because they are promoters or quasi promoters.

A comeback is a comeback. If you or anyone else knows anything about music, you will readily know that no CD, no artist, no matter how good they are, can continue to win awards for music for music created a long time ago. That's common sense

The awards cited above, were mostly for her Laundry service album. All the 2001 and 2002 ones were related to that. The 2003 and 2004 rewards were from a no name Spanish award giving organization that only interested in the continuing promotion of Latin American Artists. She produced nothing in those years. In fact, I will admit, her quasi comeback was earlier in 2005 when she hooked up with Sanz to produce that work/video.

Her only awards that mattered were the ones in 2002 and 2003. They were given to her as a result of Laundry Service which was not released until late 2001.

But as far as music is concerned, she produced no new CDs in 2002, 2003, or 2004. And it took her until the end of 2005 to come up with her second SD in English. And that is my point.

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morphus says on Mar 9, 2006, 21:02:

Who cares? I saw Juanes in Medellin for free last October with my 18 year old girlfriend. The best thing about the concert was the girls. Every sweetie in Medellin was there. If I was there alone theres no telling what would have happened.

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Miguel says on Mar 9, 2006, 22:54:

Gomezman5 wrote: "Miguel....shame on you for trying to edit your words....I did not know you go that low. Do you think I am that stupid so as not to catch you?"

What the hell are you talking about? Give it a rest, for God's sake. With each additional post, you just give more papaya. By the way, I don't think you are stupid. I do think you would argue that the sun does not rise in the east, as that seems to be your nature. Por ejemplo, you proclaimed...

"Her only awards that mattered were the ones in 2002 and 2003. They were given to her as a result of Laundry Service which was not released until late 2001."

Go back and review monpirri's list of her awards, including those for 2005 and 2006. She is on top right now because of those accolades.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 9, 2006, 23:23:

Hey Miguel....at least I'm honest and I don't edit my posts People remember what you write, you loose credibility when you edit prior posts.

I argue? Uhhh, excuse me. Remember the old cliche "it takes two to tangle"? Who says I have to let you get the last word?

And I suggest you read the awards of 2005 and 2006. They were a result of her video with Alexandro Sanz (early 2005) and her most recent album in Spanish (mid 2005) and in English (end of 2005) ...Oral fixation.

Look dude, you started the conflict. I said she was making a comeback.
Your reasoning is defective. Read my words

2 albums 4 years apart.....2 albums 4 years apart.....2 albums .........4 years apart.

This is the typical way of thinking on this web site. It goes like this, if this artist was American, Italian, or a country singer, you all would be saying the same thing....the truth.....she has been "out of action....making a comeback. But because she is Colombian, and this is a Colombian web site, just like most other areas, you guys loose the ability to be objective.

And like I said, those rewards are handed out so liberally. It is so political And you Miguel say you are in the music business and don't know that?....Come on.

And one more time Miguel....don't edit your prior posts so as to make it appear that people did not understand you. You really look bad when you do it. Edit a post to correct grammar or spelling or add a word, but not to change the substantive part of your message.

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Miguel says on Mar 10, 2006, 00:09:

Gomezman5 pontificated: "And one more time Miguel....don't edit your prior posts so as to make it appear that people did not understand you. You really look bad when you do it. Edit a post to correct grammar or spelling or add a word, but not to change the substantive part of your message."

Again, WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

You also posted this pearl of wisdom:

"But because she is Colombian, and this is a Colombian web site, just like most other areas, you guys loose the ability to be objective"

I have never mentioned her nationality in this thread.

And as far as "Your assertion that she sold millions of CD's world wide is ilogical and makes no sense.", she's sold six million units in less than a year. That is not my assertion; it's a fact.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 10, 2006, 09:35:

Miguel....you know what I am talking about I already explained, it for you and anyone else, if they choose to do so, to read. Obviously you did not read my prior post. I suggest you do so.

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Miguel says on Mar 10, 2006, 10:03:

You are right Gomezman5 It was by superhuman power that I was able to cut and paste a quote from your last post without reading it.

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kernow62 says on Mar 10, 2006, 17:38:

Logically if I own more albums and CDs than G5 does that mean I know more about music than he does? ;-)

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jack smith 2 says on Mar 10, 2006, 18:38:

Shows you how bad ILLEGAL immigration is the US! The fact that Juanes would even hit Des Moines simply shows how bad ILLEGAL immigration is in the US! Could be ticket sales were poor in Des Moines since most of the Hispanics there are MEXICCCANNNOOOSSSS?

Maybe they thought the Mexican immigrants would buy Juanes tickets when they want their Tigres del NNNOOOOORRRTTTEEEEEE!

Just guessing here BTW Too bad Latin America can't take care of it's poor and has to dump them on the US. So proud to be Mexican but can't live there and have a future and then too many come to the US and cry racism when they find out that things are not always so easy here in the US of A!

The USA is not going to be a good place to live in 50 to 75 years when there are 450 million to 600 million people here and this illegal invasion, day by day, represents just that! I will be dead so what do I care right?

Juanes is pretty good but give me Paulina and Patty Manterola anyday!

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jack smith 2 says on Mar 10, 2006, 18:44:

Shakira is nothing to write home about.... Shakira represents how a short and cute but not HOT Colombian with a mediocre voice, if she hooks up with the right promoter, can sell a lot of records! Obviously, Shakira is not my favorite, but she ent nowhere until EMILIO ESTEFAN promoted her and this is the key...knowing the right people. There are probably 10 potential female singers in Colombia better than Shakira. Better singers and better bodies but because EMILIO will never promote them they will stay as national talent and nothing more!

Shakira's luck......anyway Paulina Rubia is 100 times better...

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 10, 2006, 20:08:

Jack Smith.....your point is valid But Keep in mind that while Los Tigres are a big draw, it's the Mexicans that are primarily attending the concerts for both Juanes and Shakira.

I saw Juanes last year, and I can tell you if you walked through the crowd, you would have to look high and low to find a Colombian at the concert. Keep in mind that he played at a facility that hold about 20,000 people. If not for the Mexicans, the concert would never come close to selling out. In fact, before Shakira learned English, the concert I attended in 1997, was virtually all Mexican. It was even held at a concert hall, (Aragon) that holds concerts for mostly Mexican groups.

Some of you guys should keep that in mind before you go through your anti Mexican rhetoric routines.

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 10, 2006, 22:11:

Too late, Jack Smith. Texas is already majority minority and in 20 years it will be majority Latino. Relax, dude, and have a margarita.

You are absolutely right, G'man, on your last post.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 10, 2006, 23:09:

Hey UC..... Agree with me at your own risk. I'm kind of the dark sheep around here. And at times recently, you and I have been lumped together as almost heretics.

Furthermore, there aren't to many people on this site that have the guts to admit that for a Spanish singing pop/rock artist to make it in this world, if they don't get the "thumbs up" of the Mexicans both here and in Mexico, the artist is.......toast. Correction. Burnt toast

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Monpirri says on Mar 11, 2006, 05:11:

Again, you're wrong Gomezman5 It is evident that your world or your profession depends on the Mexican community to survive, and in fact your success is a mere mirror of your words.

But here, I repeat it again for you, "Although it is true that the largest ethnic group dominates the Spanish entertainment industry in the states, Shakira become known through Latin America, the United States and Spain via different marketing and advertising approach."

There are also several music artists that are well known today in the US that they chose other non-conventional strategies. (Some these music artists you own their CD's or LP's)

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 11, 2006, 07:24:

no I am not wrong Jesus Christ Monpirri. I am latino. I live in Chicago. I go to the concerts. And this rediculous assertion that you think I am being jaded by living here with so many Mexican and that they are jading my thinking is just that ... rediculous.

Let me make this clear. And NO I am not wrong. Mexicans ...illegal, legal, and Mexican Americans, make up more than 60% of all Latinos in this country. All the other latinos together, still amoung to less Latinos. Why do you think the major Spanish TV stations gear their programs to a Mexican audience. Why do you think the Mexican football league is on TV and not the Colombian one every week. Why do you thing that Galavision televises the nightly new on Televisa from Mexico City? You think they televise if for all the South American that want to hear what's happening in Mexico?

I DO KNOW!! I was at the Juanes concert in Chicago. Mostly Mexican my man. No debates here. You and a bunch of other Colombian may want to deny reality, but that is the way it is. And, by the way, UC agrees with me. But oh...I forgot, his mind is jaded. Hey, maybe you are right, he lives in San Antonio and Mexican out number Colombians by....hmmmmm say 500:1 ???

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 11, 2006, 08:16:

You're confusing them with the facts, G'man. There are 600,000 Colombians in the US total. There are 23 million Mexicans and an extimated additional 350,00 migrate each and every year. If you look at the population of the countries themselves, Colombia has 42 million to Mexico's 106 million. Love it or hate it but Mexico is a dominant influence in Latino culture.

One of the things that I like about my wife is that even though she doesn't like the way they speak Spanish, she is friendly and acceptant towards the Mexican-American community.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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caulfield2 says on Mar 11, 2006, 08:28:

I´ll be interested in whether or not Daddy Yankee or Don Omar has enough cache, so to speak, to be a crossover star or just someone who rode the reggaeton phenomenon to the top, only to stall out.

Thalia, Shakira, J-Lo, Paulina Rubia, Ana Barbara...heck, Roselyn Sanchez even sings!

I wouldn´t be surprised to see Eva Mendes or Eva Longoria with an album.

Seriously, I don´t get all the Shakira backlash. Yes, Ilona or Maia are more talented, heck, Soraya, there´s quite a few. That´s what they always said about Madonna, and yet she had that certain IT and the ability to change and adapt with each album and each decade to the continually evolving tastes of the public. That, in itself, is a talent all its own.

When you think about it, there aren´t too many groups that started in the 1980´s that are still successful. While there are the Depeche Modes, Duran Duran´s, Metallica´s...I think Madonna and U2 are the prime examples of sustained success over a long period of time. I guess Prince made a comeback of sorts too, but it´s very rare to see a musician in current times sustain a career for 20-25 years or more. We will see how long Shakira´s moment in the sun lasts.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 11, 2006, 08:37:

UC.....I can't figure it out "Although it is true that the largest ethnic group dominates the Spanish entertainment industry in the states, Shakira become known through Latin America, the United States and Spain via different marketing and advertising approach."

And UC, I wish I could understand this gibberish. You and I give hard and cold facts that anyone can understand as to what makes these artists a success. It's called numbers. Monpirri wants to talk about some borsht that he calls "marketing approaches".

Well Monpirri, numbers translate to buying power and $$. So you can have all the marketing approaches in the world, where there is no $$, the strategy or stratagies amount to ...zilcho.

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platano says on Mar 11, 2006, 08:58:

Another example of sustained success.. "I think Madonna and U2 are the prime examples of sustained success over a long period of time."

Another group that might qualify is The Rolling Stones.... I was listening to them in the 60's and Mick is still prancing around.

plátano

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Monpirri says on Mar 11, 2006, 09:22:

It's not only about one type of numbers, Gomezman It is about who controls the Spanish Media and demographics!
So you are saying that music types as Regatton, Merengue, Salsa and others, the music artists have to make it your community or similar because they are the largest ethnic group in order for the musician to be successful?
You are wrong! And I do not care how many billions CD’s you own.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 11, 2006, 09:43:

You're wrong...I'm wrong....everybody's wrong My culo is wrong too. And my bird's wing is broken. (The humorous) and it is not houmorous. The only thing humorous here is how many times people have called each other wrong. :)

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kernow62 says on Mar 11, 2006, 10:02:

I think the problem here is Gomezman is thinking only in terms of a US audience, whilst Monpirri is thinking of the worldwide market for Spanish singers. ¿Si o no?

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fugdis says on Mar 11, 2006, 11:12:

right,wrong,right G5,sorry to hear your culo is wrong.....maybe if you didn`t talk out of it so much.....Perhaps someone on here can recommend a good culo specialist to right your wrong culo.Which would be better a colombian specialist or an american one?Is it wrong of me to write this?your dead right it is.Shame about your parrot but enormous stacks of cd`s,lp`s and a bird is an accident waiting to happen.Grumpy my double yellow headed amazon sends his sympathy.
I`m only joking with you G5.Dont take offence.Some of the stuff you write is highly amusing,you make me laugh.

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Simon says on Mar 11, 2006, 11:38:

Gomezman,

I recently went to the Juanes concert in Sunrise, Florida and the majority of the audience was by far COLOMBIAN. If all spanish-language music is so dependent on mexican approval, then how would you explain the enormous success of reggaeton, salsa and merengue? I don't know why this Gomezman, who claims to be colombian, keeps kissing the mexican community's butt so much, it must be because they put food on his table. Shakira was already a big star before her first english-language album. I remember the first country she made it big in after Colombia was Venezuela, then the rest of South America.


The reason Shakira took so long (just four years) to release her new album is because she likes to take her time. Michael Jackson also took his time to release new albums, he didn't release his follow-up to "Thriller" until four years later as well. Was that "not impressive" either for you?


To the person who thinks that Paulina is better than Shakira, wake up! Paulina's crossover was a miserable failure, she would probably give one of her kidneys to have a just a bit of Shakira's phenomenal success in any language.

BTW, have any of you guys seen her new video for "Hips Don't Lie" yet? It's AMAZING!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Simon says on Mar 11, 2006, 11:57:

GringoD,

Well for one, when mexicans answer the telephone they say "bueno", while the rest of the spanish-speaking world answers "aló". They also have this annoying habit of extending the last syllable of the last word of every sentence they say, it sounds as if they're singing while they speak. Puerto Ricans don't pronounce their 's' and they pronounce their 'r's like 'l's.

Don't worry, english-speakers all sound the same to us also.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 11, 2006, 13:30:

The Colombian Dream team is going full force again Simon......poor example and you are sooooo wrong

"The reason Shakira took so long (just four years) to release her new album is because she likes to take her time. Michael Jackson also took his time to release new albums, he didn't release his follow-up to "Thriller" until four years later as well. Was that "not impressive" either for you?The reason Shakira took so long (just four years) to release her new album is because she likes to take her time. Michael Jackson also took his time to release new albums, he didn't release his follow-up to "Thriller" until four years later as well. Was that "not impressive" either for you?"


Michael Jackson took a gap between albbums after he already had cut a bunch of them, he did not take a long time between his first and second one. Not to mention the fact the Jackson was already Famous when he was singing with his family....the Jackson 5. Who and the hell was Shakira? She was not famous or known before she came of age.

And you really are nuts..."She likes to take her time" ..yea sure. What are you smoking today?

Now Simon...also. If you are going to quote me, you might want to read my posts before you do. I did not say that the Mexicans need to approve Salsa or regatton or Merengue. Did you see me write that? HuH?
I wrote:
"Furthermore, there aren't to many people on this site that have the guts to admit that for a Spanish singing pop/rock artist to make it in this world, if they don't get the "thumbs up" of the Mexicans both here and in Mexico"

OK do you see the words Merengue, Salsa or Reggeton? I said POP/ROCK. Last I say, that was the category of Shakira and Jaunes. Or did they become Salseros over night?

One more thing....I could not care about the concert in Sunrise. Check out the rest of the country. Sunrise is in South Florida and that is THE ONLY part of the US where the Mexican population is not the most concentrated and largest group of Latinos. Trust me, if not for the Mexicans, Shakira would be limited to South Florida and the New York markets. ......maybe Orland to, but I don't know because there are a hell of a lot of Mexicans there too.

Look dreamers, when it comes to Spanish Rock, Argentina, Spain and Mexico are the key testing grounds....Colombia is just about a non sequitor....

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kernow62 says on Mar 11, 2006, 17:49:

Aterciopeladosis still the be Aterciopeladosis still the best rock/pop group out of Colombia! Just for the record, IMHO, Shakira, Juanes, Aterciopelados all have a unique, identifiable sound, whether you care for that sound or not; none of them are cookie-cutter sellouts to the commercial hype.

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Miguel says on Mar 11, 2006, 23:34:

Gomezman5 posted "And UC, I wish I could understand this gibberish. You and I give hard and cold facts that anyone can understand as to what makes these artists a success. It's called numbers."

Entonces, ¿que piensas de 6 millones de copias de los CD's de Shakira desde 2005 hasta hoy? By your criteria Gomez, Shakira is a success.

Apropósito G5, es "cold and hard facts"

This "horse" has been beaten to death.

Let us now debate Andres Cabas.

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Gomezman5 says on Mar 12, 2006, 00:30:

Hardly Miguel.....Hardly That's what I was thinking quite a while back.....but you're obcessed
with having the last word Aren't you?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 12, 2006, 12:59:

The bottom line is Shakira is big in the USA and Europe, more than any mexican singer I could said. She is been having lots awards in big events and sang in many important places and presentations with big artist. Here in the UK you mention Paulina Rubio,Luis Miguel or any other mexican or latino artist nobody know who the hell are they, but mention shakira and they all know. 2 records? Ok, maybe its better quality and not quantity.

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 12, 2006, 13:31:

Luis Miquel is way bigger than Shakira here. Not even close. IMHO Shakira is a sell out and I don't have much use for her singing in English. Which is why I much prefer Mana or Juanes who continue to sing only in Spanish.

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caulfield2 says on Mar 12, 2006, 13:37:

Are you talking about Maia?

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 12, 2006, 13:38:

The Mexican rock group.

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Monpirri says on Mar 12, 2006, 16:01:

Spanish media influence and Demographics in the US In addition to Andres Cabas submitted by Miguel, Aterciopelados from Kernow62, here a few other pop/rock singers who made it in the US and without the Roman ‘Thumbs up” approval gesture.
Shakira, Juanes, David Bisbal, Christina Aguilera, Bacilos, Chayenne, Gloria Estefan and several more I cannot recall.

I just want to point something very interesting that has been happening on this topic and on other related topics, we have noticed a fine example of the Spanish media powerful influence over cultural behavior on individuals who have been a subjected to a monoculuture broadcast over period of several years. The media blitzkrieg causes some to become unaware of the facts about other topics or global news behind from residence or state because they are used to feeding on the news supplied by their local media, and the local media interest or goal is to disseminate to the demographics for the purchasing power.
This danger and present phenomenal also happens to many of my paisanos here who glue themselves to only one source of information and consequently they become belligerent and willing to fight if necessary to prove that they are right and that their country of origen or anybody who opposes them are dead wrong. It is danger and eminent danger because little by little they are losing traits of their culture and they are not becoming Americanized because they have chosen not to watch the English channels nor to participate in their new home culture.

We know from history, the power of the media in our individual opinion, for instance, if a politician wants to win in a particular state or, the whole country he or she must spend a lot in media time on the city or state of interest.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Mar 12, 2006, 16:16:

Shakira popularity is mind-boggling She is very popular in the USA, Latin America, Europe and other countries.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Mar 12, 2006, 17:26:

Juanes, Colombian gold from Latin rock prince 03/10/2006 JUANES Mi Sangre Tour Concert Coverage The Best Concert of the Year electrifying showed Juanes could be this generation's Springsteen. - Miami Herald, 12/25/05. "Juanes amazed me, even though I understand little of the language he sang in. The Colombian rockstar was able to go past words and evoke passion through his voice and music I have to add him to list of must-see concerts, which includes Springsteen, The Roots, U2 and Green Day. Knight Ridder Concert. Review- 2/14/06. JUANES: ALL SPANISH, ALL THE TIME: an ambitious international tour, the Colombian rocker continues to break nontraditional markets in North America and abroad. Billboard 2/11/06 COVER Story. Bucking a trend of the late 1990s, which assumed that in order to make it big in the United States Hispanic artists needed to sing in English, Juanes has never done so -- nor does he need to... his sales numbers back his decision Juanes is often compared to Bono and Sting, with whom he shares a passion for social activism. His storyform lyrics and everyman presence draw comparisons to Bruce Springsteen. But he has become something entirely new - the first truly international rock star to emerge from Latin America . - Associated Press. From Colombia, a Man of Heart and Mind: If he weren't from Colombia, a country devastated by protracted civil strife, Juanes might have made a fine career simply with his love songs...But he has more on his mind than romance, and so do his fans across the Spanish-speaking world. In Latin America, Juanes is a superstar". He plays brash, bluesy lead guitar. Throughout his set, women squealed at every ardent declaration when they weren't singing along. Juanes looked like a rock idol... Yet his serious side was never far away. On Friday night he started his set with "Sueños" ("Dreams"), which dreams not only of undying love but of "peace in my bloodied country." In "Rosario Tijeras," he mourned a street thug's dead-end life. And through the concert, he kept returning to somber but determinedly hopeful reflections on war and peace. For "Qué Pasa"" from "Mi Sangre," images of wars from Vietnam to Colombia were projected behind him as he sang: "Why must there be so much war"/Why must there be so much pain"" Like U2 in English-speaking rock, Juanes merges romantic love and social compassion, and listeners respond to both. Romance makes him approachable; compassion gives him depth. And his music radiates hope in its climbing chord progressions, its optimistic choruses and its easy command of rock and Latin rhythms. Juanes touches down regularly in cumbia and other Colombian styles, keeping the music rooted while the rhythm lightens some of his most pointed lyrics. Even a song as troubled as "Fíjate Bien," or "Watch Carefully," which warns people to look out for land mines, rode on danceable percussion. Socially aware rockers always risk sounding preachy or self-important. But Juanes carries his conscience with grace, melody and irresistible rhythms, and he drew the cheers to prove it. - Jon Pareles, New York Times 03/07/05. One of the best Latin shows of 2005 Passion is no ordinary word for Colombia's leading singer-songwriter. In songs as vividly colorful as the yellow, blue and red hues of the Colombian flag, he pleaded eloquently for peaceOn his first arena tour, Juanes underscored his mission: creating [Latin music] with a conscience. - Chicago Sun-Times, 12/18/05. Not for him the choreographed machinations of a Ricky Martin, shaking it up against a backdrop of scantily clad dancers. The show is just the man, his band and his guitar. Which will be enough to keep everyone on their feet, singing along, bodies bouncing Women will practically leapfrog onstage Parents will prop shy little girls in front of him. He'll take them by the hand, twirling them round and round. The Colombian ambassador's wife (a big fan) will get swept up in the fever of it all, pressing against the rim of the stage, hand outstretched as Juanes serenades her. - Washington Post 3/13/05. Click on this link below and learn about Juanes!!! And click on SITE IN ENGLISH. Take notice of "Mi Sangre Tour" sold out in several countries!!!

www.juanes.net/archive/noticias.cfm?language=en.html

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 12, 2006, 19:09:

Why do we want to read it in English? He should have a Spanish-only site.

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