John F. Kennedy- Remarks Upon Arrival in Bogota, Colombia in 1961

goin_south says on Aug 28, 2009, 21:50:

Was Colombia a country, back in 1961?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Byron_Kostner says on Aug 28, 2009, 21:57:

Good speech,

John F. Kennedy, "We are opposed to tyranny of any kind. We are for the social justice for our people, because we recognize that we cannot have freedom unless all of our people have an equal opportunity to the advantages of a productive life--homes-education--work," please foward to Uribe, show him the road to peace in Colombia.

Actions speak louder than words, but the self-righteous crusaders want to live by their own rules.

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 21:58:

The road to peace in Colombia begins with exterminating the FARC!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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goin_south says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:02:

hey, simon.
I'm suddenly curious.
And, maybe I missed a post here or there, but.....
Wondering: Have YOU EVER been to Colombia?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Byron_Kostner says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:05:

Simon,
What are you doing to contribute to the improvement of Colombia, time to strap up them boots and get out in the frontline, help exterminate Uribe's paramilitary friends, go Simon go.

Actions speak louder than words, but the self-righteous crusaders want to live by their own rules.

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goin_south says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:06:

Simon would hurt himself, ... with a water gun ;-)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:29:

"Wondering: Have YOU EVER been to Colombia?"

Por supuesto que si, zopenco, y usted?

Wondering: Have YOU EVER been with a woman (that you didn't have to pay for)?

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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ferran says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:51:

Jack was the last real president the USA had, to my surprised you still find in Colombia houses with the picture of JFK in the livingrooms.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:56:

What did Jack do that was so great? Beside getting the US into the Vietnam war and banging Marilyn that is?

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:58:

He averted WWIII, isn't that great enough for you?

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:02:

He brought us into the new millineum[check spelling], because a leader of the free world is mostly about charisma, and vision, and leadership. From either side of the aisle, we need leaders, such as JFK and Reagan, that have the talents and ability to inspire us. That is why he was so great.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:04:

I'll agree on Reagan, but most of what people attribute to Jack, such as the war on poverty and civil rights acts, were brought about by the Johnson admin, but he never excited the kiddies like JFK does.

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Simon says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:04:

Yes, JFK, Reagan, and let me add Uribe....all very inspiring!

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:07:

billyb, he was just gettin started, but some deranged idiot, or several of em, if Gringoloid is right on that, never gave him a chance.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:10:

and then came along his brother Robert, who was not quite as inspiring but a bit Uribe like, in that he was defending the name of his brother, as Uribe is defending his father, and then some idiot shot him as well. And then we were left with Teddy, who did pretty well for himself, but was never the leader that his brothers were, or would have been.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:12:

I'm going with Gringoloid on this one, and say that it was several. But in his and his family's case, when you lie down with dogs, you get fleas. Just look up with who Old Joe made a deal with the devil with to get his boy elected, and when they reneged on the bargain, well like they say, the rest is history.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:16:

History would be very different if convertibles had not been invented. I am reasonably conservative, and JFK was reasonably conservative. Yellow dawg Democrats and GoldWater Republicans were much different then. I am just saying that we need inspiring leaders, and I still want to believe in Obama on that, but so far....

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:18:

True, both parties are the same now (useless), they just want to spend, spend and spend, and let the details take care of themselves. I want to give obbie the benefit of the doubt, and was quite pleased at first, but lately he is showing signs that maybe, and I hope not, he is all hat and no cattle as far as transitioning from a campaigner to an administrator.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:23:

I still believe in him, hope he never lets us down. I believe in him because of his father being killed by those mf's, and thinking that he is motivated more by that than by all the usual politics, but I have been disappointed before.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:25:

oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about Uribe, but yeah, Obama is questionable, but did run quite the campaign.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:28:

Yeah, but he is using the same tactics that the Bush admin used, that of demonizing anybody that didn't accept his edicts unconditionaly, but it seems that, that tactic is wearing thin with the "moderates", thus his plunging poll numbers/

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:39:

Things get muddled purdy fast, after all the campaign hope and promises. I tend to be more conservative than liberal, but I think Bush Jr was altogether a failure, in governing to us all, and I think, at least, this new guy has half a chance left at doing better, but the odds are sinking fast, no?

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:41:

It is so much harder, as you say billyb, to govern, than to campaign. I would be great at campaigning, but give me the job, and I will lose interest.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:45:

"but give me the job, and I will lose interest."

Yeah, but look at how much pu$$y Willie Clinton got with his pimped out Air Force One in Cartagena when he also lost interest.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:47:

"his new guy has half a chance left at doing better, but the odds are sinking fast, no?"

Yes, hey I am totally hoping he succeeds, after all, I do own property and have a small portfolio in the US, and I am not the type that would cut off his nose just to spite his face. But the last few weeks have not been encouraging. Maybe it should have been a clue when so many of his nominees for financial positions had so much trouble figuring out their own personal taxes

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:51:

well yeah, but his galz tended to be dawgs. He would likely do sheep, if that is all that was left out in the field. and on the charismatic leadreship question, I never bought it with him. I did with JFK, and with Reagan, still doubtful on the new guy.

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billyb says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:55:

I don't know, Willie seemed to have something with the Colombian gals. My mom, who was slightly to the right of Attila just loved the guy and so do most of the women in Colombia that I know. I do agree with you on his lack of good taste though.

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miamimike says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:56:

Antithesis says on Aug 28, 2009, 22:21 (today): flag

BK, you know JFK funded the first paramilitary groups in Colombia..........right?
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Antithesis---Link Please to substantiate your claim as I did not know that(what you write). Of interest also to some, the Kennedys are a Gold Star Family due to Joe jr being KIA in WW2. Our family, due to Ted Kennedy's attention on various bills for Veteran's Benefits, was a direct recipient and will always be grateful to him. On JFK and Bobby, they crossed the wrong people and were very ungrateful. When Old Man Joe Kennedy went to Mafia Kingpin Sam Giacana in 1959 for help in swinging the Chicago Vote to son John in 1960 and after having won the election, they brushed him aside like piece of Dirt. Worse yet, son Robert as AG went after this Mobster and belittled him in front of Congress after saying he laughed like a "little Girl". This after he was the Key to helping JFK win the Presidency. Old Man Joe Kennedy in reality wasn't any better then these Mafiosas, a Ruthless Rum Bootlegger who in fact dealt with the Mob in the 20s-30s. I have no doubt he had a hand in JFK as well as Robert Kennedy's assassination. Some people you just don't cross...Let's not forget the Brushoff the Kennedy's gave Frank Sinatra after Frank was asked to get the Hollywood crowd on the JFK Election Bandwagon, practically the next day he ditched his Friendship with Frank, after he used him and his Contacts for the 1960 Election... Pal Dean Martin forewarned Frank this would happen but he never heeded Dean's advice not to get involved. Ted by far, for all his faults, was by far the best of the 3 when it comes to legislation passed to benefit the workingman and disenfranchised. He also got legislation passed early on that took away the Immigration laws that were tilted to Europeans to allow more Latinos into the immigration mix.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 28, 2009, 23:57:

"so many of his nominees for financial positions had so much trouble figuring out their own personal taxes" billyb

Who hasn't had trouble with that? Weirdo Steve Forbes' flat tax idea is what I would vote for, but there is no way that happens, because they are all bought and sold.

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:00:

I've never had trouble FIGURING mine out, but you would think that the nominee to be head of the IRS via the Treasury, would have been able to do so as well, in at least one of the four years prior to his nomination. BTW Mike, good recall on the history of the Kennedy/Giancan(a) not (o)/Sinatra saga.

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Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:01:

Oh come on, Gennifer Flowers wasn't too bad, I'd hit it! Come to think of it, I'd give Monica Lewinsky a good roll in the hay as well!

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christobeldawg says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:03:

It helps to develop one's principles when not shot to death at a young age, so yeah, I guess, Ted would have accomplished more, since he was not shot. I am not sure that the other 2 brothers did not accomplish more because of having been shot, and because of the sentiment of the movement that was born out of that.

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:04:

I'll give you Flowers, and yes, OK, Monica also, I mean any chick that is willing to give you a hummer while you smoke a cigar, well that's priceless.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:05:

Simon, I am giving you the hairdresser with the big nose, what was her name?

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Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:07:

Very interesting trivia MiamiMike, I was just reading about family patriarch Joe Kennedy on Wikipedia and I didn't know he was such an anti-semite, it seems he almost admired Hitler. I also didn't know he blew his chance at the presidency after some dumb comments he made about England's democracy being 'dead' after the German bombings.

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:08:

"Ted would have accomplished more, since he was not shot. "

Ted was worse than shot, in a political sense, after the Chippaquidick (SP) incident, he could never recover after that in a national election, of course his Mass. folks always gave him a pass.

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Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:10:

You mean Paula Jones? She actually looked pretty hot after her nosejob, I'd do her too!

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:11:

:"Simon, I am giving you the hairdresser with the big nose, what was her name?"

Paula Jones

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christobeldawg says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:13:

good point Billyb. If he had not left her for dead, to cover his ass, he would have likely been a prez, but yeah, in liberal Mass., they tended to overlook that. I don't believe that JFK or Bobby would have thrown her in the river, so to speak, in that same situation.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:15:

Simon, please, Paula Jones. My boy was doing Monroe.

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Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:15:

I don't get it. so was Ted banging that girl that died in the car? If not, then why did he flee the scene?

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christobeldawg says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:18:

Who knows if was doing her[and what was her name Billyb?]. He left her to die, hoping nobody would know that he was the one involved.

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:19:

From what has been speculated, yes, he was banging her. After he was able to make his way out of that car, his first call was to his lawyer, as opposed to the Police/Fire rescue. After he consulted with his lawyers and political consultants for 10 hours, then he did call the police that there was a young woman (Mary Jo) trapped in his submerged car. Yes, a stellar human being all things considered.

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Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:21:

"Simon, please, Paula Jones. My boy was doing Monroe."

You're right, you can't beat that, go JFK!

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:22:

"Simon, please, Paula Jones. My boy was doing Monroe."

"You're right, you can't beat that, go JFK!"

Amen!!!

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christobeldawg says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:22:

ok, so he did wrong, and was always the younger brother loser, but I think he did do a helluva job for the liberal left for the next 40 years.

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:24:

"[and what was her name Billyb?"

Mary Jo Kopechne

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Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:24:

Teddy was like the 'Fredo' (The Godfather) of the Kennedy brothers, except he lived longer.

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christobeldawg says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:26:

Mary Jo Kophechne, yeah,

and your name is now Rainman Billyb.

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:27:

"but I think he did do a helluva job for the liberal left for the next 40 years."

He was a great senator, although a liberal one, but he would never be fit for the ultimate office after he inadvertently revealed what he truly valued after the incident.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:29:

Christobeldawg--Not only the liberal left but for many other groups as well. An Example of this --when one father's whose son was killed in Iraq, the Father told Ted Kennedy his son had complained about the lack of proper Body Armor. Shortly thereafter, Ted Kennedy worked a Bill thru congress to get improved Body Armor and re-inforced Humvees to the troops. Rumsfeld, the Sec of defense could only lamely say, "you go to war with the equipment you have" Note--none of Rumsfeld's Kids were in Harm's way on the Iraq Battlefield.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:30:

Billy on Sam Giacana's involvement in Kennedy's election:

It is generally agreed that the association between the Kennedys and the mob goes back to the years before JFK took over the White House, back to when his father Joe Kennedy was becoming a very wealthy man in the bootlegging business. During Prohibition, Kennedy befriended Sam Giancana, the most powerful man in the Chicago underworld. Together, they made a fortune selling illegal booze and sparked a lifelong partnership and friendship.

Knowing that his past would never allow him to successfully run for office, Joe Kennedy satisfied his insatiable quest for power through his sons, insisting that they enter politics. The elder Kennedy used his significant monetary influence and enlisted his underworld connections to strong-arm support for his son in the media. Here he provided lucrative incentives to editors and journalists alike, in law enforcement, and in business. Joe Kennedy’s Mafia ties pulled through for him, and his efforts translated into John F. Kennedy being elected president in November 1960. When broken down, the margin worked out to a single-vote victory in every poll in America. However, Joe Kennedy made sure there was no connection between the Mafia and John F. Kennedy’s presidential win.


The Mafia and John F. Kennedy
After JFK became president, he appointed his brother Robert to the post of attorney general. Bobby Kennedy immediately set out on a relentless pursuit of members of organized crime, arresting and jailing the very people who allegedly helped get him his job in the first place. His war on the underworld felt like a betrayal to mobsters like Sam Giancana. Especially since Giancana was rumored to have helped seal the election for JFK in Illinois, secure the West Virginia primary that got him the Democratic nomination, and had allegedly been assured by Joe Kennedy that the mob would be safe with his sons in office.



http://www.encyclomedia.com/mafia_john_f_kennedy.html

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christobeldawg says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:32:

Think the stupidity of those on the cusp of glory: Gary Hart, our boy Ted, SC Governor Sanford, to name a few of about 10 million others, over the past few years. What causes us to self implode, for no apparent reason? Wait a minute, I think I have it figured it out, they loved the ladies.

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Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:32:

I did hear today on CNN that Teddy personally called the families of every 9-11 victim from Massachussetts soon after the tragedy. That was pretty nice.

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:33:

Thanks for the link Mike, ever since I lived in Chicago I have been an avid follower of the Giancana/Chicago Outfit/Kennedy chennanigans. jaja, BTW Mike, glad to see you went back and corrected the spelling of Sam's last name, we wouldn't want people googling the wrong name.

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:39:

"Think the stupidity of those on the cusp of glory: Gary Hart, our boy Ted, SC Governor Sanford, to name a few of about 10 million others, over the past few years. What causes us to self implode, for no apparent reason? Wait a minute, I think I have it figured it out, they loved the ladies.'

They are surrounded by yes men and eventually they start believing in their own Invincibility, and that the laws and rules are made for mere humans, and not masters of the universe like themselves (see Icarus).

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christobeldawg says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:43:

We all learned enough Shakespeare in college to understand it, and they all did, as well, but that does not stop the implosion once one gets in a position of power. Some things never change, and likely, never will.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:43:

Billy--here's another Link on the JFK/Sinatra/Giacana relationship. I remember in the fall of 1959 when JFK came to our hometown and gave his speech 2 blocks from my Highschool, the Headmaster at Catherdral Prep released all the students 2 hours ahead of time so we could get right up front as a Cheering Squad. BTW, Ex Homeland Security Head Tom Ridge went to the same Highschool then so I am sure he was somewhere in the crowd. For us, the rowdy bunch, it was an extended Smoke Break as we couldn't light up on School grounds. Later after the JFK Rally, our gang went to an afternoon movie peep show located over a sleazy smoke filled Pool Hall and continued to puff away. This Movie house allowed smoking inside. Kool. JFK would have enjoyed it, with his eye for the ladies of all flavors.
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Throughout his life, Sinatra sought out alliances with powerful men, both in the legitimate and illegitimate worlds. While his "hoodlum complex" led him toward Chicago boss Sam "Momo" Giancana in the early '60s, his power complex brought him into the ultimate circle of power, that of the newly elected president of the United States, John F. Kennedy. Sinatra was close to Giancana, and he wanted to be closer to Kennedy. Behind the scenes Giancana shared that desire because he wanted what no Mafia capo had ever achieved—access to the Oval Office. He saw Sinatra as his conduit. But to have the president's ear, Giancana knew that he would have to give a little to get a little.

In the 1960 presidential election, Kennedy, then the Democratic senator from Massachusetts, was running against the sitting Republican vice president, Richard Nixon. The Kennedy campaign had pinpointed certain areas of the country that could go either way in the election, and they need help securing these areas. The word was passed from Kennedy's father, former U.S. ambassador to Great Britain Joseph Kennedy, to Sinatra: Ask your "friend" in Chicago to help us with West Virginia and Cook County, Illinois. Giancana was willing to oblige, delivering his home turf as well as West Virginia where his outfit had enough sway to influence the election. When Kennedy won, Giancana expected the new administration to show its thanks by getting the feds off his back. Unfortunately for Giancana, it wasn't going to be a simple quid pro quo.

Sinatra had done everything he could to ingratiate himself with JFK. He had performed at fundraisers during the campaign and personally planned a star-studded inaugural gala after Kennedy's election. He had had the lyrics to his hit song "High Hopes" rewritten to make it Kennedy's election theme song. And late at night when the press wasn't looking, Sinatra had shown Kennedy the good life, Rat-Pack style—booze, broads and laughs galore.

Sinatra was living a Jekyll and Hyde existence. By day he was an outspoken advocate for civil rights and social justice. By night he was the bad boy-in-chief of the Rat Pack, personifying every naughty little vice that the American male desired. When the president joined the revelry, Sam Giancana saw an opportunity.



Judith Campbell (AP/Wide World)
At Giancana's suggestion, Sinatra introduced Kennedy to a fetching young brunette named Judith Campbell. Giancana felt that Kennedy would find her attractive because he thought she vaguely resembled the classy first lady, Jackie Kennedy. Kennedy did find Campbell alluring, and the two had an affair. At the same time Giancana started dating Campbell, but according to his brother Chuck in his book Double Cross, it wasn't because he desired Campbell. Giancana had a habit of wooing the wives and girlfriends of men he wanted to control. It was his way of gaining inside information and showing that he could have anything his target held dear. Giancana's affair with Campbell was brief, but this time the strategy backfired on him.

Kennedy's advisors rightly felt that the president of the United States should not be sharing a bed with a woman who was also dating one of the country's top mobsters, particularly when Kennedy's brother Robert, the attorney general, was working so hard to rid the country of organized crime. Almost overnight the president made a turnaround, dumping Campbell and distancing himself from Sinatra, who was stunned by the sudden cold shoulder from the White House. (Kennedy, it should be noted, did not completely clean up his act as far as extramarital affairs were concerned.) The change in attitude was felt most dramatically when Kennedy, who had planned to stay at Sinatra's home in Palm Springs during a California visit in March 1962, abruptly changed his plans and stayed with singer Bing Crosby, a Republican! Sinatra had even gone to the expense of building an addition on his house to accommodate the president and his staff.

Sinatra was mortified, but Giancana was furious. Wiretaps revealed Giancana's disappointment with Sinatra and his low regard for the singer. When it became clear that Sinatra wasn't going to get him what he wanted, the mobster had no use for him.

Never one to put all his eggs in one basket, Giancana was also courting the CIA at this time, promising to use mob hitmen to poison Communist Cuban leader Fidel Castro. It was all a scam, though, to get huge payments from the government for a service that Giancana had no intention of ever delivering. Giancana was playing them, the same way he had played Sinatra. But apparently Sinatra never caught on because he continued to value Giancana's friendship. It was a friendship that would later cost him big time.




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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:49:

Thanks, I bookmarked it for later reading. In one of those Ratpack documentaries, I'm not sure if it was Sammy (funny, a commercial is just playing with Sinatra's "the way you look tonight" as the theme song), but one of the lesser members of the pack said that the difference between Frank and Dino, was that Frank thought he was cool, but Dino knew it.

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Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:52:

Speaking of the Rat Pack, I just learned tonight that one of the Kennedy sisters was married to Peter Lawford.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:54:

Dino had the Kennedy Gang all figured out from The Get-Go! He never became, as Gomezman would say, on the Kennedy Go-Go Cheerleading squad,,,

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billyb says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:54:

BTW, the Outfit used refer to all the fake/dead people whose "votes" Giancana used to get Jack Kennedy over the top in 1960, as the "riverside" ward, in an inside joke alluding to all the bodies they dumped in the Chicago river.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2009, 01:01:

Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:52 (today): flag

Speaking of the Rat Pack, I just learned tonight that one of the Kennedy sisters was married to Peter Lawford.
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Very True Simon.

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Billy--that's the first time I heard that Term the Riverside ward. I'm not surprised. To this day, I'll never believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was in the Assassination by himself. As well, I don't believe we have ever been told the truth about JFK's disasterous handling of the failed Bay of Pigs Cuba Invasion. I think if the real truth ever comes out(which I doubt it ever will) the Miami Exile Cubans may find their Blame on JFK as the sole person responsible to be misplaced,,,It was an incredibly interesting time in American History, that Era of the late 50s-early 70s. As I was listening to NPR earlier yesterday, it brought up the fact about Richard Nixon's Universal Healthcare Proposal(yep, nixon had a decent plan in the pipeline) in or around 1971 and of all persons, Ted Kennedy was working with Nixon on his plan. As it turned out, the plan fell by the wayside with Watergate taking center stage. Very Interesting.

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Atrevido (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 29, 2009, 04:36:

aztec says on Aug 29, 2009, 05:16:

"Things only a Kennedy could get away with."

"What do you call 200 Kennedy sycophants at the bottom of a Chappaquiddick pond? A great start, but bad news for NPR guest-bookers!"

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kennedy-ted-chappaquiddick-2545006-...

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aztec says on Aug 29, 2009, 05:37:

This is mean-spirited and dangerous, but it was just good, clean satire, harmless comedy, to depict Bush as Hitler or a monkey? Or to do posters about assassination?

As you an see it is alright to reference the monkey when making comments about Bush. Liberal misogyny is OK in America.

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kingfish5515 says on Aug 29, 2009, 05:41:

Back to the subject of this thread. I am no Kennedy worshiper of any of them but the Bogota speech is a very good speech and use of words to a freind and ally of the USA. 1961 must have been just before the farc got really active, probably still in its infancy, although I have no info on that era in Col politics. Compared to the pres we have today JFK was almost right wing. I wish messiahobama could and/or would give a similar speech today, and mean it. Although he makes the neccesary lip service to Uribe, my thinking is that he holds the views similar to Hugo. KF

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Byron_Kostner says on Aug 29, 2009, 06:08:

Antithesis, "BK, you know JFK funded the first paramilitary groups in Colombia..........right?"
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miamimike, "Antithesis---Link Please to substantiate your claim as I did not know that(what you write)."

Though I was aware the US government was practically responsible for the creation of paramilitary forces in Colombia, was not aware that it was implemented by JFK as Plan LASO, see link below for more information.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/washingtons-death-squad-democrac...

Actions speak louder than words, but the self-righteous crusaders want to live by their own rules.

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goin_south says on Aug 29, 2009, 07:40:

bill clinton, playboy.
Obama, Chicago gangstaaa

Regan? a sleeper!

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2009, 09:28:

BK--thanks for the Link.
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Simon says on Aug 29, 2009, 00:07 (today): flag

Very interesting trivia MiamiMike, I was just reading about family patriarch Joe Kennedy on Wikipedia and I didn't know he was such an anti-semite, it seems he almost admired Hitler. I also didn't know he blew his chance at the presidency after some dumb comments he made about England's democracy being 'dead' after the German bombings.
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Joe Kennedy wasn't any Ex-Altarboy for sure. This is the first time I heard about his anti-semtic views but I'm not surprised. Other Prominent Politicians liked dealing with Hitler as well, look at Prescot Bush, GW Bush's Grandfather with his currency dealings with the Nazis as an example...What was really stupid was his well known comment as Ambassador about Democracy in England "over" after the Bombings. Dumb Dumb Dumb
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Aztec--I'msurprised you find those Reagan/Bush Photos demeaning after the ones you posted of Obama. You need to grow thicker skin.
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Hey Elmo--You guys were cheated! Not only did our family get some of that Cheese you show, but we also received USDA Tins of Peanut Butter, Bags of Rice and Government Butter, the whole 9 yards. We ate high on the Hog for a few months and the dates on your Pic(1954) are right on. I remember us getting this Government food from around the mid 50s to the early 60s. Every 6 months or so the Local News would announce the Government Food give-aways and the lines would be so long. They had Semi Trailers full of this stuff, since our city voted Heavily democratic, I guess this Food Give away was part of the Deal for a Good Vote Turnnout. It continued(food give away) through Johnson's Presidency as well. Brings back old memories, all the Moms & Dads in the Neighborhood loading up the Red Wagons with USDA Surplus Food and lugging the Goodies home. One year, if I remember correctly, we got some Government Honey.

Elmo--it must have been quite a heavy Job lugging that big Box of Government Cheese up the Stairs in your NYC Rent Controlled Walk-up Apt. Bet you didn't enjoy that!

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aztec says on Aug 29, 2009, 10:36:

mm, just pointing out the difference in treatment.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2009, 17:41:

Aztec--OK

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2009, 20:43:

Elmo-- We got the USDA Goodies because our city always voted the "Right Way" before, on and after election day. Reagan was the only aberrancy! And of course we voted often. My Neighbor was even caught in the booth pulling the "right" lever for the old neighborhood women. ja ja The local cemetaries were a busy place come election day, those Zombies & Ghouls like in Graveyard 2 were up and staggering to the nearest Vote booth to yank the lever like a Good democrat. Same way the Cuban Republicans do it here in Miami. They say the dead cannot talk anymore but they sure can Vote! ja ja

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