Joe Arroyo - Best Ever!
No one can deny Joe Arroyo is the best Salsero that Colombia has ever produced.
Yes his sound is a little dated now but the energy, the beat, the fever he produced will never be equaled-ever.
By Sam Salmon on Feb 15, 2005, 20:40 in Friendly Talkzone.
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Sr Tertius says on Feb 15, 2005, 21:01: The Best RIGHT ON!! "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on Mar 5, 2005, 23:46: Joe Arroyo is Very Good But Don't Forget Other Colombian Salsa Besides Joe Arroyo, Colombia has a lot of good salsa artists and salsa groups. Some are older but the classic salsa has a good beat.
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 20, 2005, 22:05: Brother Lebron are NOT Colombian....they are Puerto Rican Sorry Platano.....no debate here. Hermanos Lebron are %100 Puerto Rican. I was researching something and I cam accross this thread. It was short, but inaccurate. So before someone argues with me on this one, they better do their research. Lebron are NOT Colombian.
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platano says on Jul 20, 2005, 22:56: Good friend Gomezman5, I can explain this confusion... G5 writes: I can't imagine how anyone can think they are even remotely Colombian
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 20, 2005, 23:18: No problem Platano You know...music is a funny thing. When my cousin lived in Cali for awhile, she thought they were Colombian too. They also had a few songs about Colombia too--I think about Cali in particular. But then again, if anyone was ever going to sing salsa about a city in Colombia, it would most naturally be Cali. But.......while Cali has been considered the capital of salsa for the last 15 to 20 years, originally salsa was much more popular on the coast then in Cali. Costenos know much more about the music of the Fania All Stars then then Callenos do.
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platano says on Jul 20, 2005, 23:49: On differences between Atlantic coast and Cali in musical taste In the 40's, folkloric styles such as the cumbia, porro, and gaita coalesced into a style known as "música tropical". Colombia's most famous dance orquestas of that period--led by Lucho Bermúdez and Pacho Gaítan, respectively--were leaders of the música tropical style.
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kernow62 says on Jul 21, 2005, 03:57: Thanks Platano, that was very interesting. I will take the music of "El Maestro" Lucho Bermudez any day. Do you know of any DVDs that show Lucho and his big band. I would love to be able to watch Lucho with his hair slicked back, clarinet in hand, trademark spectacles, leading his band in a rousing rendition of
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 07:31: Lucho Bermudez on DVD... hmmmm.... While I have enjoyed Lucho's music, the music that most moves me (literally) is salsa. So I'll stick with Fania All Stars and company. Yet I still remember that sad day "cuando se nos fue" Lucho.
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 12:51: Joe Arroyo DVDs There are DVD's of Joe Arroyo.
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kernow62 says on Jul 21, 2005, 13:08: Thanks Platano. I get tired of salsa, it is so common to here it in Orlando that when I hear a porro, or a cumbia it gets me going.
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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 21, 2005, 13:44: Corazon Querendon.
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 13:50: Actually Joe Arroyo, who is Barranquilla-based... Joe Arroyo is one of the few Colombian salsa artists (Guayacán and Grupo Niche being others) who have made a mark on the international scene. And he did it by forging a unique pan-Caribbean sound by fusing salsa with other Afro-Caribbean syles heard on Colombia's Atlantic Coast, such as cumbia, Dominican merengue, Trinidadian soca, and Martiniquen zouk.
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 13:59: I'm gonna go out on a limb here... I would say that Joe Arroyo is the only Colombian salsa artist outside of Cali to gain international fame.
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Antioqueñita says on Jul 21, 2005, 14:19: Medellin loves salsa too When I used to live in Medellin my friends and I listen to a lot of salsa... Not all necessarily Colombian though.. we listened to like : El gran Combo, Oscar D'Leon, Willie Chirino ? is that his name?, Ruben Blades, Willie Colon, Tito Puente, tito rojas.. many many.... there are a lot of songs I know but don't know who sings them but are classic salsa songs....like someone posted :"La temperatura" ..I love that song.. "cada vez que yo te veo y no importa donde sea.. se me quiere salir los ojos con tu belleza que hasta pierdo el control " "Que Viva Medellin!" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 14:36: ¡Qué viva Medellín! porque nos dió un músico muy famoso... I speak, of course, of Julio Ernesto Estrada, who is better known as Fruko. Fruko mixed salsa with elements of música tropical and rock. It is interesting to note that Fruko himself did not refer to his unique sound as salsa at all, but as salsíbiri.
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Antioqueñita says on Jul 21, 2005, 14:47: UYYYYYYYYYYYYY SI FRUKO IS AWESOME! "El Prisionero" is such a cool song to dance.. I know it was also the amthum of the sicarios but all their songs are soooooooooooo awesome..! "Que Viva Medellin!" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 14:49: Medellin's Fruko gave Joe Arroyo a big help... Fruko's first vocalist was actually Piper Pimienta, who left Los Supremos to join Fruko's new band in 1971. When Pimienta went solo in 1973, he was replaced by the Caleño vocalist Wilson "Saoco" Manyoma--the same Afro-Colombian singer who as a child with his brother Hermes imitated música antillana bands using washtubs and hoses as musical instruments. The same year, Afro-Colombian Cartagena native Joe Arroyo also joined Fruko. And the rest is history.
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 15:02: Fruko is Awesome! In their arrangements Fruko has a tendency to use a piano-and-bass vamp in the montuno section, replacing the traditional tumbaos and the anticipated bass pattern normally played in this section. In addition, the rhythmic feel of Fruko's overall style is very much on top of the beat. This feel no doubt derives from the attack used in playing música tropical, and indeed, most of Fruko's band (including Fruko himself) had come up playing música tropical.
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 16:29: During the late 60's Joe Arroyo formed a salsa band... in Barranquilla (together with Johnny Arzusa) called La Protesta. To my knowledge they never recorded.
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 21, 2005, 18:22: Platano is correct For all the attachment and admirations Colombianos have for Salsa, we Colombianos have contributed next to nothing. Grupo Niche reached a plateau on an international scale rivaled by few salsa groups. But Joe Arroyo is not only second, but a distant second. Guayacan does not even make the radar screen. They had one song that put them on the charts.."Oiga Mia Vea", and that was it. Grupo Caneo and Grupao Gale are not even know outside of Colombian circles.Us Colomianos get a distorted perspective because we tend to go to Salsa clubs where only Colombians attend and what do we hear? Colombian Salsa and a some Puerto Rican Salsa. With the exception of Grupo Niche and Joe Arroyo's ,"Rebelion" you rarely here much Colombian Salsa in Chicago
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 18:55: Grupo Niche was founded in Bogotá in 1978... Yes! Bogotá! They made their debut album in 1979-1980. Grupo Niche's cofounders, the Afro-Colombian musicians Jairo Varela and Alexis Lozano came from Quibdó, the capital of Chocó. Grupo Niche relocated to Cali in 1982 and released two more albums before their landmark hit "Cali pachanguero" was released in 1984.
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 21, 2005, 19:25: How about some more Niche tidbits?? The best lead singer, the one who made them really famous was NOT even Colombian. He was Puerto Rican. Great voice and orchestra too Remember who he is? Tito Gomez. He sang the original Cali Pachanguero. Another chorus member was another Puerto Rican. He went solo too but was not very successful. Do you remember his name????? I do
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 20:01: Let's see... vocalist?.... Grupo Niche?.... Puerto Rican? Would that be Héctor Viveros?
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 21, 2005, 20:09: No.....he was vocalist as well........ His name: PRIMI CRUZ
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 20:57: G5, that's a surprise! I knew Edwin "Primi" Cruz sang in the chorus with Raphy Leavitt's La Selecta but had no idea he sang with Grupo Niche. Thanks!
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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 21:13: OK, here's one for you... Edulfamit Molina Díaz (also known as Piper Pimienta) was an Afro-Colombian native of Puerto Tejada and a lead vocalist of Cali's Los Supremos. He was raised and spent most of his life in what neighborhood?
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 22, 2005, 08:08: Platano did you know????????/ that Raphy Leavitt was Jewish????
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platano says on Jul 23, 2005, 22:34: Let's see... would that be... Larry Harlow, el judio maravilloso, pianist extraordinaire?
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 24, 2005, 09:50: Correct my man !!!!!! And did you know that an album was made (I have the CD) with that very title (El Judio Maravilloso 1975)with Junior Gonzalez on vocals.I have it on CD.
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platano says on Jul 24, 2005, 10:38: Salsa is varied, especially the classic salsa... Classic salsa of the 60's and 70's (I'm thinking of New York and our friend Larry Harlow) can be divided into three schools: one in the experimental vein led by Eddie Palmieri and Willie Colón; a second, "Heavy" one in the Arsenio-Chappotín vein, led by Larry Harlow and Ray Barretto; and a third in the lighter Manteca style, led by Johnny Pacheco and Celia Cruz, that at times appeared to overpower the others. Of course, these schools are interrelated, and to an outsider the differences between these artists may not be clear--after all, "it's all salsa." But to afficionados, their sylistic nuances are marked.
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platano says on Jul 24, 2005, 23:37: OK, here's one for you... In what year did Joe Arroyo first perform in the Feria de Cali?
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 24, 2005, 23:54: allow me to take a lucky guess I think........................1776
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 07:30: Your guess is reasonable being that Cali is known for salsa... And Cali was founded in 1536 by the Spanish explorer Sebastián de Belacázar. But by 1776 the salsa movement had not yet begun. The year Joe Arroyo first appeared in the Feria de Cali was 1988.
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Colombiche says on Jul 25, 2005, 08:13: This topic gets me going I have been lurking in the shadows for a while, but all this Salsa talk gets my heart pumping. No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 08:54: Colombiche, thanks for resaltando personas como Mimi Composers and instrumentalists, especially women composers and instrumentalists, have been obscured in the history of salsa. In her book, LISTENING TO SALSA (1998), Frances Aparicio analyzes at length the ways in which salsa music has been produced in "a man's world." This construction relates to general codes of patriarchy and male dominance in Latin American cultures, which have traditionally operated to keep women from assuming public roles as performers. Only vocalists such as Celia Cruz, La Lupe, and La India have become famous. Even when their careers assumed prominence they were largely under male control. Men control the music industry and own the nightclubs.
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 25, 2005, 08:59: Colombiche.....Great post!! Most informative I know every single one of the songs that you mentioned above. In fact only last night I had Pedro Conga's "Te necesito mi amor" on in the car. Great song, good vocals and he had an oustanding coros. The cover of the CD ain't so bad either!!!!Those are all great songs. If a person does not know these songs, he does not know hoot about Salsa. I remember when I heard Tito Gomez's "Ganas" for the first time. It's off the CD. "Agrademeciento" That entire CD, song after song, was one of the best CD's that I ever bought.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 09:35: And don't forget the Colombian creativity that.... is behind many famous popular artist's successes like Gloria Estefan, Marc Antony, Jennifer Lopez, etc. Of course I am referring to Kiki Santander.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 12:59: Yes, Cali has had orquestas femininas and they can be divided... into pre-commercial and commercial phases. The precommercial phase was undoubtedly pioneered by the Caleña vocalist and multi-instrumentalist María del Carmen Alvarado. Between 1983 and 1987, Alvarado was the leader and cofounder of three bands==Yemayá, Siguaraya, and Cañabrava--which were based between Cali and Bogotá and performed primarily in coffee houses. Inspired by Euro-North American feminist ideals of solidarity, these groups emphasized musicianship and refuted commerical images of women as sexual objects.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:11: Another relatively unknown great salsa composer is... Catalino "Tite" Curet Alonso (born in Puerto Rico) who wrote hits throughout the 60's, 70's, and 80's. His hits include "Anacaona," "Las caras lindas," "La Tirana," "Pueblo Latino," "Plantación Adentro," "La Oportunidad," and many, many more, including "Puro teatro" which was used in the soundtrack to Pedro Almodovar's film "Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown".
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:25: The clock is ticking and no answer forthcoming... I guess this question is not something you can just Google!
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:29: Joe Arroyo invented a rhythm! JOESÓN! Joe Arroyo es cantante, compositor, arreglista e incluso ha inventado un ritmo, su ritmo, el Joesón. Su música es alegre, bailable y, sobre todo, muy caribeña. Como todos los grandes de la salsa, su sonido es inconfundible y único.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:32: Joe Arroyo had 39 brothers and sisters... One of his father's 40 children, the young Arroyo started earning a living through music as a soloist in the church choir by day, and seedy nightclubs after dark. He grew up in one of the most African cities in Colombia, Cartegena (near Palenque, known as the city of Colombia's escaped slaves). Cartegena is a city that seems more Caribbean than it does Colombian, and this is reflected in its music. Arroyo frequently adds Soca, Zouk and Cumbia to his music, dating back to his days when he helped to front the band, Fruko y Sus Tesos.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:34: Joe Arroyo biography Joe Arroyo
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:47: Joe Arroyo has received scholarly attention... "Du Bois' Double Consciousness versus Latin America Exceptionalism: Joe Arroyo, Salsa and Negritude," By Mark Q. Sawyer, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Scholar in Health Policy, UC Berkeley & Assistant Professor UCLA Department of Political Science and Ralph J. Bunche Center for African American Studies Prepared for the annual conference of the Western Political Science Association Annual Conference at the Downtown Marriott Portland Oregon. March 11-13 2004. Please do not quote without consent from the author. For more information contact Mark Sawyer msawyer at polisci.ucla.edu
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:56: Joe Arroyo Slideshow! You don't have to do nothin' and the slide show advances every 15 seconds.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 17:34: Ex-esposa de Joe Arroyo, quien fue musa, está presa... 07/14/2005 - 08:09:00 Fuente: Caracol
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 17:38: CD Box set of Colombian Music Features Joe Arroyo... The Music Of Colombia
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 17:49: Gira, isquemia, reggaeton: una entrevista con Joe Arroyo... Joe Arroyo: “Sí, soy el de siempre, pero mejorado” // COLPRENSA // Vanguardia Liberal 14 de julio 2005
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:03: More salsa groups in Colombia than in Puerto Rico! And the salsa beat goes on ... ; Genre's alleged death greatly exaggerated; por Ernesto Lechyner, Chicago Tribune. Chicago, Ill.: Dec 21, 2004.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:24: Joe Arroyo en Londres el 7 de agosto que viene. Gratis! Joe Arroyo estará para el Carnaval del pueblo 2005 en Burguess Park, el próximo 7 de agosto en un carnaval sin precedentes , lo confirmaba la coórdinadora del evento Erika Picasso se espera que este año vengan a este importante evento más de 140.000 personas y como es de notar este es el evento cultural por excelencia es aqui donde muchos de lo nacionales en uk conocen de nuestra cultura de la manera mas amable , saboreando todos los exquisitos platos típicos de cada pais Latinoamericano y obviamente nuestras raices en toda su expresión y como siempre la entrada al carnaval sigue siendo Gratuito. asi que no se la pierdan ya que sera visible por primera vez en una pantalla supergigante gracias a producciones "vidalatina" de Francisco Alvaraz.
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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:27: GomezMan, You need to get in touch with Adam Sandler. He has at least three versions of his "Happy Chanukah" song -- you could work on number four and get the salsa singers added!
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:38: Trials and tribulations of Joe Arroyo... ARROYO, Joe
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:47: Joe Arroyo no se retirará de la escena musical... RCN TV El Joe no se retirará de la escena musical
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:47: Platano Are really got you going when I resurected this thread. It was done on page 4 somewhere with only 3 posts...then game the Gomezman5. Whatever thread I touch, just rolls along building and building. If you want a thread to zoom along, just get me involved.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:52: Gomezman, I am not related to the Arroyo family... I love salsa And you are absolutely correct about your uncanny powers to resurrect threads. Whatever you touch turns to gold. And I am astounded by your erudition and experience with salsa music. The breadth of your knowledge is most impressive.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 19:04: Review of Joe Arroyo DVD (Hispanic Magazine, April 2005) Live!, Joe Arroyo (Miami Records-Discos Fuentes). This DVD features 16 performances by Colombia’s most renowned salsero, drawn from video archives that include two decades-old televised concerts and more recent music videos. Colombian-style salsa is brash and swinging—an invitation to dance. Arroyo’s vocals are unwaveringly energetic and passionate. Included are such hits as “Rebelión,” “Teresa vuelve,” and the Jimmy Sabater/Joe Cuba classic “Ban Ban.”
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 25, 2005, 19:10: Well..........I have over 700 CDs and about 300 cassettes Name the artist, and I probably have it. Many artists I have almost all their CDs. Artists like Bobby Valentin, Willie Rosario, and Tito Allen....I have much of their music. In fact, I have a CD with Willie Rosario when Tony Vega was starting out with him...before Tony Vega became famouns by himself, he got his start with Willie. I think I pretty much have them all.
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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 19:49: G5, do you have the album of Sonora Ponceña.... called "On the Right Track" (Inca 1084)?
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Sam Salmon says on Jul 25, 2005, 20:36: He almost died '83 from a combination of intensive gigging and.. Let's be honest he almost died from a Cocaine overdose-not overwork. ' a la orden!' 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 08:08: Hey Sam, glad to hear from you! The thanks, my man, goes to you for starting this incredible thread about Colombian's famous salsero, Joe Arroyo. Have you seen him live in concert? I checked ticketmaster but there were no upcoming events available to buy tickets for. And I can't fly to London for the free gig. Do you think this is really his "gira de despedida"?
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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 08:09: Hey Sam, glad to hear from you! The thanks, my man, goes to you for starting this incredible thread about Colombian's famous salsero, Joe Arroyo. Have you seen him live in concert? I checked ticketmaster but there were no upcoming events available to buy tickets for. And I can't fly to London for the free gig. Do you think this is really his "gira de despedida"?
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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 08:09: These repeat messages are happening after I get this message Internal Server Error
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kernow62 says on Jul 26, 2005, 08:37: I must say even for someone such as myself that doesn't care for much of the newer salsa this has been a very interesting thread. Descarga is one of the few companies that get my money these days, Fantasy also has a lot of hard to find older stuff for sale, in fact I purchase from them almost exclusively on vinyl before it runs out. Lots of it is not salsa but good Latin music all the same, Mongo Santamaria, Willie Bobo and the like along with the latin tinged music of non-latinos such as Cal Tjader, George Shearing and Dizzy Gillespie, get 'em on vinyl while you can.
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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 12:27: Kernow, it's the newer salsa that is less interesting... The classic salsa sound has several characteristics that the newer romantic salsa doesn't:
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 26, 2005, 12:39: "On the right track" ?? I will have to check Platano. It does not sound familiar of hand, but I have at least 7 or 8 titles. I will look for the song too.
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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 13:03: Last chance... suspense is building... answer now or... Anybody want to take a guess?
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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 15:26: And the answer is... Piper Pimienta was raised and spent most of his life in Cali's Barrio Obrero, a música antillana stronghold.
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kernow62 says on Jul 26, 2005, 15:58: Damn Platano I was just going to say that! ;-)
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 26, 2005, 17:07: Just two years ago I bought a New Technics It's one of those pre balance tone arms. It's not the 1200 that all the clubs use. It works fine for me. Look, a Thorens would not make these old Vinyl things sound any better. They are just that---old. When I was young, and everyone still bought Vinyl, I had one of the best Turntables. I had a Dual. A high end Dual at that. Remember those with the wooden bases. I had high end audio in every way. I had a powerful Pioneer reciever (only analog tuners then), also with a wood cabinet. I had a Tandberg, reel to reel tape deck, with Crossfield heads. In fact, before that I had a fine TEAC, with the feather touch transport system. The Tandberg produced some of the best sound ever, but the joy stick would drive me nuts. So I sold it and went back to a newer and better TEAC deck. JBL, L100 speakers....then Altec Lansing..nice
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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 17:25: Salsa romántica vs. salsa dura... from a male perspective... Salsa romántica is considered music that one listens to with one's girlfriend or wife, music by which to squeeze up together on the dance floor. Salsa dura, on the other hand, indexes a different social code, where patterns of heterosexual courtship and romance are eschewed in favor of male bonding and friendly competition.
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kernow62 says on Jul 26, 2005, 18:13: G5 if you are happy with the sound that is all that matters. It is surprising how a really high-end phono preamp and a really nice turntable and cartridge will breathe new life into old records.
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Gomezman5 says on Jul 26, 2005, 19:05: Well Kernow I recognize that there is some really well made Audio equipment. But, let's face it, the good American stuff does not come cheap. Not by any means. The Japs have always been the leaders in fine electronic gear. I though you would be more suprised that I bought German gear. Tandberg and Dual are both German...but very high quality. The only thing that the US has excelled in for reasonable prices, is speakers. I forgot, Boston accoustics make great speakers too.
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platano says on Jul 27, 2005, 07:50: Salsa and translocation... Salsa's transcendence of geographic and cultural boundaries has been central to its affective power--its capacity to literally move thousands of people. In a recent essay, Mayra Santos Febres refers to this process as "translocation"--the emergence of a globalized musical community from among its different locales of production and reception.
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kernow62 says on Jul 27, 2005, 13:43: You are right Gomez, good audio gear doesn't come cheap and some of it is just overpriced, but there is a middle ground and some of it American made. Britain is the mecca of good sound on a budget though, brands like Rega, Moth, ARCAM, Musical Fidelity, and a host of budget speaker manufacturers make nice sounding stuff at reasonable prices. I didn't mention some of the more expensive American brands like Krell, McIntosh, Audio Research, Cary, Martin Logan or Mark Levinson although I do own one of the latter's pre-amps and find it worth the money I realise that many people would scoff if I told the price. I did a bit of wheeling and dealing and didn't even pay half retail.
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platano says on Jul 27, 2005, 15:22: Since Joe Arroyo's London bound, a little about Salsa in London. Latin Americans have played an important role in the spread of Latin music to and across London. The contact between Britain and Latin music started many years ago, and was apparent during the 1920's with the popularity of tango. However, the popularity of salsa music is related to the immigration processs of the 1970's.
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platano says on Jul 27, 2005, 17:00: The Beginning of Salsa Music Clubs in London... Toward the end of the 1970s the tendency was to rent church halls and community centers in South London. These parties were organized by a group of five or six people who took turns renting the same church hall or community center each week for a period of five to six weeks or until they were discovered to be operating clubs by the managers running these halls. The church halls and community centers rented space for private parties as a strategy to raise money, but they did not anticipate that the space would be used for clubs. That is why Amigo Hall in Lambeth and Saint Matthew's Hall in Brixton were the most popular ones. These clubs were located away from the center of the city and in places where they were less exposed to the police. |