Joe Arroyo - Best Ever!

Sr Tertius says on Feb 15, 2005, 21:01:

The Best RIGHT ON!!

"When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb)

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platano says on Mar 5, 2005, 23:46:

Joe Arroyo is Very Good But Don't Forget Other Colombian Salsa Besides Joe Arroyo, Colombia has a lot of good salsa artists and salsa groups. Some are older but the classic salsa has a good beat.

Gabino Pampini, Grupo Niche, Luis Alberto, Grupo Almendra, Alquimia La Sonora del XXI, Orquesta Antifaz, Yuri Buenaventura, Grupo Caneo, Piper "Pimienta" Diaz, Fruko y Sus Tesos (their music was in Maria Full of Grace), Grupo Gale, Guayacan Orquesta (de Cali!), Los Nemus del Pacifico, etc.

¡Colombia es la berraquera!

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kernow62 says on Mar 6, 2005, 05:32:

Orquesta Guayacan yeah baby!

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 20, 2005, 22:05:

Brother Lebron are NOT Colombian....they are Puerto Rican Sorry Platano.....no debate here. Hermanos Lebron are %100 Puerto Rican. I was researching something and I cam accross this thread. It was short, but inaccurate. So before someone argues with me on this one, they better do their research. Lebron are NOT Colombian.

In fact, I can't imagine how anyone can think they are even remotely Colombian. They were raised in Brooklyn. They have several tracks in English. And at least three or album titles that are in English. How many Colombian salseros have Albums and songs with English titles.

Sorry Platano my friend. But you are right about the rest of the Salseros you mentioned

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platano says on Jul 20, 2005, 22:56:

Good friend Gomezman5, I can explain this confusion... G5 writes: I can't imagine how anyone can think they are even remotely Colombian

First of all, you are right... Lebron Brothers are not Colombian. They are a family-based group from Brooklyn, an early 1970's band based in New York (originally from Aguadillas, Puerto Rico). I have edited them out of the above post.

So how did I get confused and think Lebron Brothers are Colombian? Well, I saw them in Cali, and listened to salsa music with them (they were sitting at the table next to mine) in the Taberna Latina.... I saw them regularly in the Taberna Latina because they were residents of Cali. They lived in Cali in the early 1990's. From seeing them often and hearing their music and knowing they lived in Cali and seeing how much Colombians appreciated their music, they seemed so much a part of the local scene, being resident in Colombia, that I mistakenly thought they were Colombian. My bad.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 20, 2005, 23:18:

No problem Platano You know...music is a funny thing. When my cousin lived in Cali for awhile, she thought they were Colombian too. They also had a few songs about Colombia too--I think about Cali in particular. But then again, if anyone was ever going to sing salsa about a city in Colombia, it would most naturally be Cali. But.......while Cali has been considered the capital of salsa for the last 15 to 20 years, originally salsa was much more popular on the coast then in Cali. Costenos know much more about the music of the Fania All Stars then then Callenos do.

oh well

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platano says on Jul 20, 2005, 23:49:

On differences between Atlantic coast and Cali in musical taste In the 40's, folkloric styles such as the cumbia, porro, and gaita coalesced into a style known as "música tropical". Colombia's most famous dance orquestas of that period--led by Lucho Bermúdez and Pacho Gaítan, respectively--were leaders of the música tropical style.

In musical terms, música tropical (Atlantic Coast) is distinguished from música antillana (Cali) by a simpler rhythmic treatment and a more florid melodic style. Rather than the syncopated habanera bass or anticipated bass pattern of música antillana, música tropical uses a basic tonic-dominant pattern that falls on beats one and three of each measure.

Anyway, toward the late 60's a simplified variant of música tropical emerged, known in Colombia as raspa or chucu-chucu.

Caleños turned their backs on the national tastes for raspa and chucu-chucu and asserted their allegiance to música antillana and salsa.

Life on Colombia's Atlantic coast, shaped by cattle ranching, banana plantations, and an arid, dusty enviroment, is quite distinct from that in the sugarcane fields and lush, verdant tropics of the Cauca valley.

Similarly, while historical processes led to the incorporation of Atlantic coast música tropical into the national sphere, these same processes catalyzed a swing in the opposite direction for Caleños, toward the cosmopolitan adoption and resignification of a transnational style: música antillana.

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kernow62 says on Jul 21, 2005, 03:57:

Thanks Platano, that was very interesting. I will take the music of "El Maestro" Lucho Bermudez any day. Do you know of any DVDs that show Lucho and his big band. I would love to be able to watch Lucho with his hair slicked back, clarinet in hand, trademark spectacles, leading his band in a rousing rendition of

Fiesta de Negritos MP3

Lucho Bermudez

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 07:31:

Lucho Bermudez on DVD... hmmmm.... While I have enjoyed Lucho's music, the music that most moves me (literally) is salsa. So I'll stick with Fania All Stars and company. Yet I still remember that sad day "cuando se nos fue" Lucho.

I don't know of any DVD of Lucho, but there is a DVD whose sound track includes Lucho doing "Colombia: Tierra Querida". The DVD is called COLOMBIA Y SUS IMAGENES. It is published in Miami, FL by ANS Entertainment and manufactured and distributed by ANS Records Inc. It is narrated in Spanish, with subtitles in French, Italian, and English and came out in 2003. The publisher number is ANS 16018-9 and it is part of the Horizons Collection. Other sound tracks on the DVD include: La ruana /; Estudiantina Los Arrieros --; Cuando voy por la calle /; Trío América --; Agáchate el sombrerito /; Carlos J. Ramírez --; La Guanena /; Trío Los Quimbaya --; La gata golosa /; Jaime Lano González --; Soy tolimense /; Garzón y Collazos --; Guabina chiquinquireña /; Manuel J. Bernal --; Al morir de las tardes /; El Dueto de Antaño --; Paisaje matinal --; Luis Ariel Rey --; El limonar /; Cuerdas Mágicas --; El 039 /; Bovea y sus Vallenatos --; La tierra de mis abuelos /; Berenice --; Chaflán /; Estudiantina López --; Coplas de Rajaleña /; Los Tolimenses --; Los guaduales /; Lucho Ramírez --; Boquita sala /; Jaime Llano González.

If I come across a DVD with Lucho conducting, I'll let you know...

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 12:51:

Joe Arroyo DVDs There are DVD's of Joe Arroyo.

Joe Arroyo, La Historia, Vol. 1
DVD (Sony Discos 89368) Released 2003;
$24.98

Joe Arroyo, Live!
DVD (Fuentes 15023) Released 2004;
$19.98

Joe Arroyo, El Rey Del Carnaval Y Del Caribe
DVD (Fuentes 00022) Released 2004;
$19.95

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kernow62 says on Jul 21, 2005, 13:08:

Thanks Platano. I get tired of salsa, it is so common to here it in Orlando that when I hear a porro, or a cumbia it gets me going.

I have always been a fan of big bands, Latin or otherwise; I think I have every Prez Prado album ever made. Lucho is Colombia's answer to Prez. I also think I have all of Billo's Caracas Boys albums and there are a hell of a lot of them.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 21, 2005, 13:44:

Corazon Querendon.

BTW i would get very bored listening to salsa all day, and my favourite song of Joe Arroyo is "Noche"

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 13:50:

Actually Joe Arroyo, who is Barranquilla-based... Joe Arroyo is one of the few Colombian salsa artists (Guayacán and Grupo Niche being others) who have made a mark on the international scene. And he did it by forging a unique pan-Caribbean sound by fusing salsa with other Afro-Caribbean syles heard on Colombia's Atlantic Coast, such as cumbia, Dominican merengue, Trinidadian soca, and Martiniquen zouk.

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 13:59:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here... I would say that Joe Arroyo is the only Colombian salsa artist outside of Cali to gain international fame.

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Antioqueñita says on Jul 21, 2005, 14:19:

Medellin loves salsa too When I used to live in Medellin my friends and I listen to a lot of salsa... Not all necessarily Colombian though.. we listened to like : El gran Combo, Oscar D'Leon, Willie Chirino ? is that his name?, Ruben Blades, Willie Colon, Tito Puente, tito rojas.. many many.... there are a lot of songs I know but don't know who sings them but are classic salsa songs....like someone posted :"La temperatura" ..I love that song.. "cada vez que yo te veo y no importa donde sea.. se me quiere salir los ojos con tu belleza que hasta pierdo el control "

And of course Joe Arroyo ! and Fruco y Niche!

"Que Viva Medellin!"

"Que Viva Medellin!"

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 14:36:

¡Qué viva Medellín! porque nos dió un músico muy famoso... I speak, of course, of Julio Ernesto Estrada, who is better known as Fruko. Fruko mixed salsa with elements of música tropical and rock. It is interesting to note that Fruko himself did not refer to his unique sound as salsa at all, but as salsíbiri.

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Antioqueñita says on Jul 21, 2005, 14:47:

UYYYYYYYYYYYYY SI FRUKO IS AWESOME! "El Prisionero" is such a cool song to dance.. I know it was also the amthum of the sicarios but all their songs are soooooooooooo awesome..!

I just saw them in concert last year in the Colombian Festival here in L.A. and wow ! Niche was there too! ;)

"Que Viva Medellin!"

"Que Viva Medellin!"

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 14:49:

Medellin's Fruko gave Joe Arroyo a big help... Fruko's first vocalist was actually Piper Pimienta, who left Los Supremos to join Fruko's new band in 1971. When Pimienta went solo in 1973, he was replaced by the Caleño vocalist Wilson "Saoco" Manyoma--the same Afro-Colombian singer who as a child with his brother Hermes imitated música antillana bands using washtubs and hoses as musical instruments. The same year, Afro-Colombian Cartagena native Joe Arroyo also joined Fruko. And the rest is history.

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 15:02:

Fruko is Awesome! In their arrangements Fruko has a tendency to use a piano-and-bass vamp in the montuno section, replacing the traditional tumbaos and the anticipated bass pattern normally played in this section. In addition, the rhythmic feel of Fruko's overall style is very much on top of the beat. This feel no doubt derives from the attack used in playing música tropical, and indeed, most of Fruko's band (including Fruko himself) had come up playing música tropical.

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 16:29:

During the late 60's Joe Arroyo formed a salsa band... in Barranquilla (together with Johnny Arzusa) called La Protesta. To my knowledge they never recorded.

The earliest recorded Colombian salsa is the song "Pachanga del año nuevo" (New Year's Pachanga, on Charangas con pachangas, 1969), written by the Afro-Colombian guitarist-composer Julian Angulo and recorded by his band, Julian y su Combo. This group performed Cuban son, salsa, and Colombian música tropical, achieving prominence through their appearances on national television. This song differed from the pachanga popularized by the early 1960's charangas of Joey Quijano, Johnny Pacheco, and other New York artists in that it adapted the conventional instrumentation to electric guitar instead of piano, and trumpet and saxophone in place of flute and violin.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 21, 2005, 18:22:

Platano is correct For all the attachment and admirations Colombianos have for Salsa, we Colombianos have contributed next to nothing. Grupo Niche reached a plateau on an international scale rivaled by few salsa groups. But Joe Arroyo is not only second, but a distant second. Guayacan does not even make the radar screen. They had one song that put them on the charts.."Oiga Mia Vea", and that was it. Grupo Caneo and Grupao Gale are not even know outside of Colombian circles.Us Colomianos get a distorted perspective because we tend to go to Salsa clubs where only Colombians attend and what do we hear? Colombian Salsa and a some Puerto Rican Salsa. With the exception of Grupo Niche and Joe Arroyo's ,"Rebelion" you rarely here much Colombian Salsa in Chicago

The reality is that most Salsa clubs play Puerto Rican Salsa and the reason is simple. They are the best Salseros. OK Oscar Deleon ranks an the only Venezolano that is a time master salsero. But, whether it be the Fania All Stars, or Puerto Rican Power. They are the masters of Salsa and in recent years, meregue as well. Grupo Mania, La Makina, Elvis Crespo are examples in that respect.

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 18:55:

Grupo Niche was founded in Bogotá in 1978... Yes! Bogotá! They made their debut album in 1979-1980. Grupo Niche's cofounders, the Afro-Colombian musicians Jairo Varela and Alexis Lozano came from Quibdó, the capital of Chocó. Grupo Niche relocated to Cali in 1982 and released two more albums before their landmark hit "Cali pachanguero" was released in 1984.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 21, 2005, 19:25:

How about some more Niche tidbits?? The best lead singer, the one who made them really famous was NOT even Colombian. He was Puerto Rican. Great voice and orchestra too Remember who he is? Tito Gomez. He sang the original Cali Pachanguero. Another chorus member was another Puerto Rican. He went solo too but was not very successful. Do you remember his name????? I do

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 20:01:

Let's see... vocalist?.... Grupo Niche?.... Puerto Rican? Would that be Héctor Viveros?

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 21, 2005, 20:09:

No.....he was vocalist as well........ His name: PRIMI CRUZ

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 20:57:

G5, that's a surprise! I knew Edwin "Primi" Cruz sang in the chorus with Raphy Leavitt's La Selecta but had no idea he sang with Grupo Niche. Thanks!

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platano says on Jul 21, 2005, 21:13:

OK, here's one for you... Edulfamit Molina Díaz (also known as Piper Pimienta) was an Afro-Colombian native of Puerto Tejada and a lead vocalist of Cali's Los Supremos. He was raised and spent most of his life in what neighborhood?

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 22, 2005, 08:08:

Platano did you know????????/ that Raphy Leavitt was Jewish????
Honestly, he was a Puerto Rican Jew.

Now you can you name one of the most famous Salsero's of all time that also was Jewish? I could give you hints, but it might give it away. So see if you can figure this one out.

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platano says on Jul 23, 2005, 22:34:

Let's see... would that be... Larry Harlow, el judio maravilloso, pianist extraordinaire?

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 24, 2005, 09:50:

Correct my man !!!!!! And did you know that an album was made (I have the CD) with that very title (El Judio Maravilloso 1975)with Junior Gonzalez on vocals.I have it on CD.

It funny, most Latinos never belive me when I tell them that Harlow is Jewish. However they are even more shocked when I tell them that
Don Francisco is Jewish too.

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platano says on Jul 24, 2005, 10:38:

Salsa is varied, especially the classic salsa... Classic salsa of the 60's and 70's (I'm thinking of New York and our friend Larry Harlow) can be divided into three schools: one in the experimental vein led by Eddie Palmieri and Willie Colón; a second, "Heavy" one in the Arsenio-Chappotín vein, led by Larry Harlow and Ray Barretto; and a third in the lighter Manteca style, led by Johnny Pacheco and Celia Cruz, that at times appeared to overpower the others. Of course, these schools are interrelated, and to an outsider the differences between these artists may not be clear--after all, "it's all salsa." But to afficionados, their sylistic nuances are marked.

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platano says on Jul 24, 2005, 23:37:

OK, here's one for you... In what year did Joe Arroyo first perform in the Feria de Cali?

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 24, 2005, 23:54:

allow me to take a lucky guess I think........................1776

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 07:30:

Your guess is reasonable being that Cali is known for salsa... And Cali was founded in 1536 by the Spanish explorer Sebastián de Belacázar. But by 1776 the salsa movement had not yet begun. The year Joe Arroyo first appeared in the Feria de Cali was 1988.

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Colombiche says on Jul 25, 2005, 08:13:

This topic gets me going I have been lurking in the shadows for a while, but all this Salsa talk gets my heart pumping.

First off, don't forget that a lot of the greatest hits performed by salsa artists the likes of Puerto Rican Power, Tito Rojas, Tito Gomez, Pedro Conga, Primi Cruz are written by Colombian Composers namely Elizabeth Mimi Ibarra and Luis Lambi (wrote paginas de Amor for Tito). Never mind Mimi, who is the composer of Tito Rojas "senora", "porque te quiero tanto". She is the composer of PR Power "juguete de Nadie" and "solo con ella". She wrote Pedro Congas "la va a pagar" and Maelo's "Te necesito mi amor". She wrote Oscar de Leon's "Mentiras" (who doesn't know that song) and Tito Gomez's "Ganas", "A Colombia Entera" and the super famous duet with T Rojas and Tito Gomez "Dejala". She basically catapulted all these salseros to fame, working alongside el maestro gunda Merced (doing the arreglos)
I have personally had the chance to interview with Tito and Pr Power for my magazine, and they attribute much of their success to the hits that Mimi Ibarra and Lambi have composed. Mind you guys that Tito Gomez considers himself Colombiano, he refers to himself as el BorinCaleno, I can attest to this because I know Tito and PR power and Mimi personally.

PM me if you want me to send you a link to my interviews with all the above mentioned artists on my Mag.

Love,

Colombiche.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 08:54:

Colombiche, thanks for resaltando personas como Mimi Composers and instrumentalists, especially women composers and instrumentalists, have been obscured in the history of salsa. In her book, LISTENING TO SALSA (1998), Frances Aparicio analyzes at length the ways in which salsa music has been produced in "a man's world." This construction relates to general codes of patriarchy and male dominance in Latin American cultures, which have traditionally operated to keep women from assuming public roles as performers. Only vocalists such as Celia Cruz, La Lupe, and La India have become famous. Even when their careers assumed prominence they were largely under male control. Men control the music industry and own the nightclubs.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 25, 2005, 08:59:

Colombiche.....Great post!! Most informative I know every single one of the songs that you mentioned above. In fact only last night I had Pedro Conga's "Te necesito mi amor" on in the car. Great song, good vocals and he had an oustanding coros. The cover of the CD ain't so bad either!!!!Those are all great songs. If a person does not know these songs, he does not know hoot about Salsa. I remember when I heard Tito Gomez's "Ganas" for the first time. It's off the CD. "Agrademeciento" That entire CD, song after song, was one of the best CD's that I ever bought.

I really did not know that Colombian writers were than involved with those great Salseros. But then again, Larry Harlow, an American Jew from NY, a guy without one ounce of Latin blood, arranged, and compose songs for La Sonora Poncena. And Mexica singer and former star with Los Bukis, Marcos Antonio Soliz, wrote songs for La India. So.....there are always suprises.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 09:35:

And don't forget the Colombian creativity that.... is behind many famous popular artist's successes like Gloria Estefan, Marc Antony, Jennifer Lopez, etc. Of course I am referring to Kiki Santander.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 12:59:

Yes, Cali has had orquestas femininas and they can be divided... into pre-commercial and commercial phases. The precommercial phase was undoubtedly pioneered by the Caleña vocalist and multi-instrumentalist María del Carmen Alvarado. Between 1983 and 1987, Alvarado was the leader and cofounder of three bands==Yemayá, Siguaraya, and Cañabrava--which were based between Cali and Bogotá and performed primarily in coffee houses. Inspired by Euro-North American feminist ideals of solidarity, these groups emphasized musicianship and refuted commerical images of women as sexual objects.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:11:

Another relatively unknown great salsa composer is... Catalino "Tite" Curet Alonso (born in Puerto Rico) who wrote hits throughout the 60's, 70's, and 80's. His hits include "Anacaona," "Las caras lindas," "La Tirana," "Pueblo Latino," "Plantación Adentro," "La Oportunidad," and many, many more, including "Puro teatro" which was used in the soundtrack to Pedro Almodovar's film "Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown".

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:25:

The clock is ticking and no answer forthcoming... I guess this question is not something you can just Google!

Edulfamit Molina Díaz (also known as Piper Pimienta) was an Afro-Colombian native of Puerto Tejada and a lead vocalist of Cali's Los Supremos. He was raised and spent most of his life in what neighborhood?

Any salseros want to take a guess?

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:29:

Joe Arroyo invented a rhythm! JOESÓN! Joe Arroyo es cantante, compositor, arreglista e incluso ha inventado un ritmo, su ritmo, el Joesón. Su música es alegre, bailable y, sobre todo, muy caribeña. Como todos los grandes de la salsa, su sonido es inconfundible y único.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:32:

Joe Arroyo had 39 brothers and sisters... One of his father's 40 children, the young Arroyo started earning a living through music as a soloist in the church choir by day, and seedy nightclubs after dark. He grew up in one of the most African cities in Colombia, Cartegena (near Palenque, known as the city of Colombia's escaped slaves). Cartegena is a city that seems more Caribbean than it does Colombian, and this is reflected in its music. Arroyo frequently adds Soca, Zouk and Cumbia to his music, dating back to his days when he helped to front the band, Fruko y Sus Tesos.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:34:

Joe Arroyo biography Joe Arroyo

Salsa, Tropical, Pan-Latin, Cumbia musician
Born Alvaro José Arroyo Gonzalez, November 1, 1955, in Cartagena, Colombia

Joe Arroyo began his singing career at the age of eight, performing in strip joints in Cartagena. By the time he was a teenager he joined the historic Fruko y sus Tesos. That band was led by Julio Ernesto Estrada Rincon, or, more popularly, "Fruko," also known as Colombia's "Godfather of Salsa" — fittingly, since Arroyo would come to be its favorite son. In 1981 he founded his own group, La Verdad ("The Truth"), whose distinction was Arroyo's sometimes abrasive tenor and his fusion of salsa with his native land's cumbia dance music, Cuba's rhythmic son, and Haitian compas pop to create a sound so unusual it was given its own name: "Joe-son." His work is heard in every corner of Latin America, and the cross-cultural blend he's created has influenced salseros since the early 1980s.

Arroyo has an extensive discography on labels distributed in Latin America. One of the most readily available examples is Deja Que Te Cante (Sony International, 1998, prod. Joe Arroyo), which showcases Arroyo's cohesive fusion of sounds.

Source: Hispanic American Almanac, Gale, 1997; DISCovering Multicultural America, Gale, 1999.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:47:

Joe Arroyo has received scholarly attention... "Du Bois' Double Consciousness versus Latin America Exceptionalism: Joe Arroyo, Salsa and Negritude," By Mark Q. Sawyer, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Scholar in Health Policy, UC Berkeley & Assistant Professor UCLA Department of Political Science and Ralph J. Bunche Center for African American Studies Prepared for the annual conference of the Western Political Science Association Annual Conference at the Downtown Marriott Portland Oregon. March 11-13 2004. Please do not quote without consent from the author. For more information contact Mark Sawyer msawyer at polisci.ucla.edu

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 15:56:

Joe Arroyo Slideshow! You don't have to do nothin' and the slide show advances every 15 seconds.

http://www.djmanny.com/Pictures/Joe%20Arroyo%202-8-03/pages/Joe%20Arroyo%2002-08-03%207.htm

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 17:34:

Ex-esposa de Joe Arroyo, quien fue musa, está presa... 07/14/2005 - 08:09:00 Fuente: Caracol

La ex esposa del cantante Joe Arroyo, Mary Luz Alonso Llanos, quien fuera la musa de varias de sus composiciones, está detenida en la cárcel del Buen Pastor de Barranquilla, acusada de los presuntos delitos de fraude procesal y falsedad ideológica.
Según las investigaciones, la señora Alonso Llanos habría falsificado la firma de su ex exposo para cobrar un millonario CDT.

La Fiscalía adelanta la investigación, mientras que "Mary" como identificaba Joe Arroyo a su ex esposa en sus canciones, ya cumplió un mes tras las rejas a la espera que se le defina su situación jurídica.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 17:38:

CD Box set of Colombian Music Features Joe Arroyo... The Music Of Colombia

Explore the Music Of Colombia with this fabulous boxset from World Music Network/ Riverboat Records

Joe Arroyo



Fruko Y Sus Tesos



The Latin Brothers



La Sonora Dinamita



Bovea Y Sus Vallenatos



Los Nemus del Pacifico



Maximo Jimenez


A magnificent seven Colombian releases, featuring some of the greatest artists in Latin America, are now included in this fabulous boxset from World Music Network and Riverboat records. Gleaned from the legendary Fuentes catalogue, they are guaranteed to entice even the most reluctant dancer to their feet to embrace the music.

"Infectious rhythms, blazing brass and highly polished vocals are the essential ingredients of two retrospectives of classic Colombian popular dance music by Fruko Y Sus Tesos and Joe Arroyo. Fruko and Arroyo are among Colombia's most influential contemporary musicians and these collections show them at their very best" Taplas

The series starts with two of the most popular and influential artists in Colombia – Joe Arroyo and Fruko. Joe Arroyo, with his distinctive and pure voice combining Latin, Caribbean and African rhythms, is Colombia's most popular singer. He is a legend in Colombia and has taken his tropical brand of dance music, together with his band La Verdad, throughout the world. Fruko, the Godfather of Colombian salsa, is a celebrated musician, bandleader, composer and arranger. Working with a variety of vocalists (including Joe Arroyo) Fruko has established himself at the very centre of Colombia's music scene.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 17:49:

Gira, isquemia, reggaeton: una entrevista con Joe Arroyo... Joe Arroyo: “Sí, soy el de siempre, pero mejorado” // COLPRENSA // Vanguardia Liberal 14 de julio 2005

La música recorre las venas de Álvaro José Arroyo y es por ella, por la musa convertida en notas, ritmos y melodías, que siempre le ha ganado la pelea a la muerte. ‘El Joe’ lanzó nuevo disco y tiene palabras para hablar de su último round frente a “la huesuda”: una isquemia cerebral.

“Fue muy teso... fue como una prueba de fuego”, dijo Arroyo al empezar esta conversación -Pero ¿Ya estás bien? La isquemia se ha estado regulando, mejorando bastante. Ya puedo actuar normalmente. Fíjate que en el Carnaval yo tenía la isquemia, pero no se notaba.

Se recuesta. Piensa un poco, y cuando vuelve a retomar el hilo de la conversación lo vuelve a hacer con pausa, no tan rápido como ha cantado siempre los cumbiones. Es “el Joe” Arroyo, sentado en un sofá en su apartamento al norte de Barranquilla.

Habla de su estado de salud, tema que salió a relucir por la debilidad que mostró en la tarima de un concierto que brindó en Cartagena hace dos semanas. La gente aseguró que lo tuvieron que sostener para que no cayera. Pero él dice que está bien.

“Es que eso depende del estado anímico en que se encuentre la persona, y como tenía más de un mes de no estar en una tarima y de pasar por tantos medicamentos...”, afirmó.

¿Y cómo te sientes? El estado de salud está bien. Tal vez ha sido desadaptación, puesto que me tomé algunas vacaciones largas. Estuve muy flojo, quieto, estoy saliendo la isquemia, pero ya cogí el tren de trabajo y espero llegar a Cartagena de nuevo para corregir esa pequeña falla que hubo allí.

“Tuvo que pasar por un By Pass”, interviene su esposa, Jacqueline Ramón, quien es su mano derecha en todos los aspectos.

El boom del vallenato
Comienza a hablar de música y dice que es consciente de que el vallenato ha copado los espacios musicales que por tanto tiempo fueron suyos y de algunas orquestas, pero eso no le incomoda.

“Están abarcando todo el mercado y eso es bueno, puesto que es nuestra música autóctona. Sin embargo también es bueno que se le dé cabida a los grupos de música orquestada, porque las orquestas también son un patrimonio grandísimo de todo el país”, aclaró.

Hay un boom de esta nueva ola...
Yo felicito a todos los conjuntos vallenatos, sobre todo a los nuevos. Mi relación con ellos es excelente, somos compañeros. Está Silvestre Dangond, Peter Manjarrés, Kaleth Morales, Jorge Celedón, son unos estandartes.

¿Será un movimiento fuerte o una moda?

Creo que es un ‘brisón’ que está pasando, pero así como está Joe Arroyo están otros cantantes.

Y regresó Diomedes Díaz, uno de tus grandes compañeros...

Regresó Diomedes Díaz, mi gran amigo. Ya pasó el ventarrón y viene de nuevo con mucha fuerza. Hemos tenido conversaciones, porque las malas situaciones no pueden alejar a los grandes amigos.

En el trabajo discográfico que lanzó en el Carnaval de Barranquilla de este año incluyó un tema llamado “Reggaesón, son, son”. Es un Reggaetón, ritmo en el que decidió incursionar al lado de la agrupación “Tres pesos”.

“A la juventud le encanta el reggeatón. Yo tengo hijos mayores de 18 años y me dicen: ‘papá tu eres muy bueno, pero déjame escuchar mi reggeatón y después te pongo tus discos’. Pero internacionalmente ese fenómeno no se ve, hay lugar para todos”, dice.

Joe Arroyo comenzó el lunes una gira que lo llevará por Miami, Nueva York, Houston, Nueva Orleans, Orlando y Washington. Después regresará y preparará maletas para irse a Europa a una gira más larga.

Una nueva etapa en la vida de ‘el Joe’ en la que reconoce “Soy el mismo de siempre, pero mejorado”, se ríe.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 17:50:

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:03:

More salsa groups in Colombia than in Puerto Rico! And the salsa beat goes on ... ; Genre's alleged death greatly exaggerated; por Ernesto Lechyner, Chicago Tribune. Chicago, Ill.: Dec 21, 2004.

Salsa is dead. Gone. Kaput. Forget about it. A comatose genre swallowed alive by other styles of Latin music: rock en espanol and hip-hop, reggaeton and norteno.

Salsa is dead. Or is it?

For the last few years, the alleged death of salsa has been morbidly discussed in publications across the Americas. Much like the death of rock (or jazz, or punk or reggae), the subject has become a cliche, focusing on the limited commercial success of contemporary salsa in terms of record sales and mainstream recognition.

Take a look at the vibrant salsa community that continues to flourish in the U.S. and Latin America, however, and a different picture begins to emerge.

"Those statements about the death of salsa are made by people who clearly know absolutely nothing about this music," says Rudy Mangual, publisher of Latin Beat, a West Coast-based monthly magazine that for the 14 years has been covering Afro-Caribbean music.

"Salsa is just like rock," Mangual adds. "It has its highs and lows, but it is too established a style to just die.

"For us, salsa is not just music. It's a way of life. It's part of our culture. We grew up with it and we will die with it."

"I think salsa is tremendously alive," says Albert Torres, a Los Angeles-based promoter who travels around the world organizing salsa festivals. "You go to the clubs here in L.A. and they're full of new faces. Musicians like Jimmy Bosch and the Spanish Harlem Orchestra have new albums out that are just incredible. What else do people need to see in order to realize that this music is far from dead?"

Still thriving

In artistic terms, at least, salsa is definitely far from moribund.

An umbrella term that encompasses a number of Cuban-based dance formats such as the guaracha and the son montuno, the music known today as salsa experienced an artistic and creative peak in New York City during the '60s and '70s by combining Afro-Caribbean roots with the electrifying swing of big band jazz and a hint of gritty R&B. From New York, salsa spread all over the Americas, particularly in Colombia and Puerto Rico.

Although some of the genre's biggest artists are no longer with us (Tito Puente, Celia Cruz and singer Hector Lavoe, to name a few), most continue touring and releasing albums.

This year saw the release of excellent new collections by veterans such as Puerto Rico's El Gran Combo and La Sonora Poncena; Colombia's Joe Arroyo, Fruko y sus Tesos, Grupo Niche and Son De Cali; and Venezuela's Oscar D'Leon.

Ruben Blades, salsa's most talented songwriter, also returned to the genre that made him famous by collaborating with the Spanish Harlem Orchestra, a collective of notable session players. And trombonist Jimmy Bosch continues on a crusade to resurrect the hardcore sound of the '70s on his third album, El Avion de la Salsa, aided by the stunning vocalizing of Ecuadorian singer Ray Bayona.

Commercially speaking, salsa still boasts its share of viable artists, namely Marc Anthony, Victor Manuelle and Gilberto Santa Rosa. But it cannot possibly compete against the regional Mexican field, which dominates Latin music in this country.

"The groups that you mention are fine, but salsa as we know it is a vertical niche," says Bruce Polin, owner of Descarga, a New York-based mail-order service that specializes in hard-to-find Afro-Caribbean music.

"There is nothing wrong with niche markets, and my business is certainly based on that model. But the days of chart-busting salsa appear to be gone."

Late '70s

Those long-gone days of alleged chart busting salsa were the late '70s, when the New York-based Fania label (think of it as the Motown of salsa) monopolized the market with seminal recordings by the likes of Blades, Cruz and Willie Colon. Blades' 1978 masterpiece, "Siembra," became the genre's best-selling album, a record it held for a long time. (Due to the proliferation of mom-and-pop stores that cater to the Latino community, it is difficult to tabulate exact figures for old tropical music recordings.)

"Back then, I would go and buy the latest Fania album every week," recalls Torres, who lived in New York at the time. "I would spend every penny I had on the new LP by Hector Lavoe or Johnny Pacheco."

Still, many insiders believe the salsa explosion of the '70s is heavily idealized when it comes to actual sales figures.

"I'll even go further and say that salsa in its '70s heyday was a marginal market in the overall music industry," offers Descarga's Polin.

"A few labels like Fania did well, but perhaps only because they paid their artists nothing. Most of those guys -- and I'm talking great talents -- had day jobs. Try developing an artist today and pay them fairly. See how far you get."

"There's a huge misconception about salsa," Mangual says. "It was never a big moneymaker. Maybe two or three artists did well, like Blades, Celia Cruz and Tito Puente. But even Celia didn't sell that many records to begin with. She was famous for her shows. In fact, I think salsa sells more now than it did before, especially in South America. There are more salsa groups in Colombia than in Puerto Rico these days. This music is sacred to them."

Old formulas

Detractors of contemporary salsa decry the music's reliance on proven old formulas that have remained pretty much unchanged for the last three decades.

Indeed, most of the previously mentioned salsa albums released in 2004 deliver the carefully calibrated elements that die-hard salseros expect to find in their music: over-the-top brass riffs, flavorful piano lines and a rhythmic crescendo that builds up to an explosive chorus and forces you to get up and dance.

"There's a lot of recycling going on," Mangual admits. "The new Jimmy Bosch album may have original compositions, but most of them are based on old numbers from the '70s. I respect the new bands like Colombia's Sonora Carruseles, though. At least they're trying to keep the old spirit alive."

The new album by powerhouse D'Leon is a good example of this tendency. His first release as part of a new deal with Sony, the collection is titled "Asi Soy" -- "This Is The Way I Am."

It signifies a comeback of sorts for the singer because it returns to the formula he exploited with huge success during the '80s: exuberant singing, a strong Cuban influence on the arrangements and the inclusion of soulful boleros (at which he is particularly adept) to create a punchy contrast with the fast-paced numbers.

"Artists like the Spanish Harlem Orchestra and the Buena Vista Social Club appeal to our need for nostalgia and retro inclinations," Polin says. "It also happens to be great music, but that's tangential."

Tangential or not, salsa will continue to blossom as long as new generations of listeners fall under its spell.

"I don't have enough hours in the day to honor all of the requests I get," says Torres, whose 2005 agenda includes organizing salsa congresses in Australia, Bulgaria, Japan and a dozen other countries.

"If something is dying, then why does it keep growing every day?"

"Is salsa dead? Depends on who you ask," Polin says. "I can say it is, but so what? So is jazz, good food, good theater. That doesn't mean it's not worth seeking out."

Want to try some salsa? Here are 8 albums to get you started

Eddie Palmieri: Azucar Pa'Ti (1965, Tico)

A visionary keyboardist, Palmieri has done it all: old-fashioned salsa, thorny Latin jazz, dissonant experimentation. His grooves are devastatingly intense. His choice of singers, impeccable. This one includes "Azucar," one of the quintessential Afro-Caribbean anthems of all time. Sticky indeed.

Celia Cruz and Johnny Pacheco: Celia & Johnny (1974, Vaya)

the poppy sounds of Cuba's Sonora Matancera and a stint with bandleader Tito Puente, Cruz graduated into the school of hard salsa on this exuberant date with Dominican flutist Pacheco. The tribal "Quimbara" says it all: pure, joyous Afro-Cuban fever.

Hector Lavoe: De Ti Depende (Fania, 1976)

The singer of all singers, Lavoe died of AIDS in 1993 at age 46. He left behind a legacy of stunning albums recorded for the Fania label -- the heart and soul of the entire salsa movement. Produced by his best friend, Willie Colon, "De Ti Depende" includes "Periodico De Ayer," an epic tune marked by Lavoe's rootsy interpretation, Tite Curet Alonso's bitter lyrics and the fusion of a tropical combo with a classically trained string ensemble -- yet another one of Colon's brilliant innovations.

Ruben Blades: Siembra (Fania, 1978)

the disco-salsa pastiche of "Plastico" to the anthemic "Pedro Navaja," this is the album that showcased Blades as a socially conscious, darkly humorous singer/songwriter for the ages. The savvy production work of trombonist Willie Colon adds a visceral feel to the procedures that would be absent from subsequent Blades albums.

Oscar D'Leon: 15 Exitos (Top Hits, 1996)

A superb compilation from the Venezuelan sonero, including the immortal single "Lloraras" performed with his '70s group, La Dimension Latina. This is rustic, no-frills salsa, heavy on the nasal choruses and trombone riffs. Those jazzy piano solos are courtesy of D'Leon's former keyboardist, the incomparable Enrique "Culebra" Iriarte.

Grupo Niche: A Golpe De Folklore (PPM, 1999)

Vilified by purists, this Colombian group has been churning out hit singles for the last 20 years under the leadership of prolific songwriter and producer Jairo Varela. A lesser known but remarkably funky session, "Folklore" was recorded just before singers Willy Garcia and Javier Vasquez jumped ship and formed their own combo, the successful Son De Cali.

Joe Arroyo: El Baile Del Siglo (Discos Fuentes, 1999)

Only a two-disc set of hits can do justice to this chocolaty-voiced Colombian singer and an extensive career that includes stints with groups Fruko y sus Tesos, the Latin Brothers and his own outfit La Verdad. Arroyo, who began performing at age 10 in the brothels of his native Cartagena, favors a mix of Cuban rhythms, Colombian folk and Caribbean stylings such as calypso and compas. The result? His own genre, the bouncy joe-son.

El Gran Combo: 40 Aniversario (BMG Latin, 2002)

Puerto Rico's salsa institution celebrates 40 years of uninterrupted activity on this sprawling two-disc set with plenty of medleys and a couple of illustrious guest vocalists. This is highly danceable stuff, of course, but it also exhibits the frothy elegance that defines most Puerto Rican salsa.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:24:

Joe Arroyo en Londres el 7 de agosto que viene. Gratis! Joe Arroyo estará para el Carnaval del pueblo 2005 en Burguess Park, el próximo 7 de agosto en un carnaval sin precedentes , lo confirmaba la coórdinadora del evento Erika Picasso se espera que este año vengan a este importante evento más de 140.000 personas y como es de notar este es el evento cultural por excelencia es aqui donde muchos de lo nacionales en uk conocen de nuestra cultura de la manera mas amable , saboreando todos los exquisitos platos típicos de cada pais Latinoamericano y obviamente nuestras raices en toda su expresión y como siempre la entrada al carnaval sigue siendo Gratuito. asi que no se la pierdan ya que sera visible por primera vez en una pantalla supergigante gracias a producciones "vidalatina" de Francisco Alvaraz.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:24:

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:27:

GomezMan, You need to get in touch with Adam Sandler. He has at least three versions of his "Happy Chanukah" song -- you could work on number four and get the salsa singers added!

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:38:

Trials and tribulations of Joe Arroyo... ARROYO, Joe
(born Alvaro Jos‚ Arroyo González, 1 Nov. '55, Cartagena, Colombia) Singer, bandleader, composer, arranger and producer. Colombia's most popular salsa artist and an international star in the Latin and non-Latin markets. Began as vocalist in small groups in Cartagena and Sincelejo, later relocated to Barranquilla and joined Orquesta La Protesta (founded '70), then moved to Medellin '71 to sing with Fruko's bands Tesos and the Latin Brothers (from the mid-'70s); he also recorded with Los Lideres. Arroyo founded his own band La Verdad '81, a debut album Arroyando followed by twelve more '81--93. He almost died '83 from a combination of intensive gigging and drug abuse. In addition to performing typical Latin rhythms (son, montuno, salsa, his native cumbia and others) Joe created his own 'Joesón' style and spearheaded the pan-Caribbean fusion style known as son caribeño. He made his UK debut at London's Empire Ballroom '89; an edited version of the gig was broadcast in BBC 2's Rhythms Of The World series '90. Albums Fuego En Mi Mente '88 (UK title: Fire In My Mind '89), En Acción '90 (UK title: Somos Seres) and La Guerra de Los Callados '91 were released in the UK by Mango (an Island Records subsidiary). By '90 Joe had won the Congo de Oro prize at Barranquilla Carnival so often the Super Congo de Oro award was introduced for him to give other artists a chance. Arroyo ended his 20-year association with the Fuentes label and switched to Sony '91 for Toque de Clase, followed by Fuego '93. Various compilations have been issued incl. the recommended UK collection Rebellion '89, featuring some of his best tracks from his strong '86 to '87 period and the six-volume Grandes Exitos '93 from Fuentes, which cover his work with both Fruko and La Verdad. Switched to Sony for Toque de Clase '91, Fuego '93 and Mi Libertad '96.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:47:

Joe Arroyo no se retirará de la escena musical... RCN TV El Joe no se retirará de la escena musical

Miami, EE.UU., 14 Julio (RCN TV) – Un comunicado que llegó a manos de buena parte de los periodistas colombianos promociona, al parecer, el concierto de la despedida de Álvaro José Arroyo González, conocido como “Joe Arroyo”.

La persona que lo redactó asegura que comenzó la gira del retiro oficial del cantante cartagenero.

La supuesta despedida del Joe la hará al lado del cantante vallenato, Silvestre Dangond, en la ciudad de Miami.

Sin embargo, el Joe habló con Noticias RCN en Miami y dijo que no se retirará de la música y reiteró que no regresó al mundo de las drogas y el alcohol.


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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:47:

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:47:

Platano Are really got you going when I resurected this thread. It was done on page 4 somewhere with only 3 posts...then game the Gomezman5. Whatever thread I touch, just rolls along building and building. If you want a thread to zoom along, just get me involved.

Anyway, your info is most informtive. Are you related to the Arroyo family that youknow so much?

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 18:52:

Gomezman, I am not related to the Arroyo family... I love salsa And you are absolutely correct about your uncanny powers to resurrect threads. Whatever you touch turns to gold. And I am astounded by your erudition and experience with salsa music. The breadth of your knowledge is most impressive.

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 19:04:

Review of Joe Arroyo DVD (Hispanic Magazine, April 2005) Live!, Joe Arroyo (Miami Records-Discos Fuentes). This DVD features 16 performances by Colombia’s most renowned salsero, drawn from video archives that include two decades-old televised concerts and more recent music videos. Colombian-style salsa is brash and swinging—an invitation to dance. Arroyo’s vocals are unwaveringly energetic and passionate. Included are such hits as “Rebelión,” “Teresa vuelve,” and the Jimmy Sabater/Joe Cuba classic “Ban Ban.”

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 25, 2005, 19:10:

Well..........I have over 700 CDs and about 300 cassettes Name the artist, and I probably have it. Many artists I have almost all their CDs. Artists like Bobby Valentin, Willie Rosario, and Tito Allen....I have much of their music. In fact, I have a CD with Willie Rosario when Tony Vega was starting out with him...before Tony Vega became famouns by himself, he got his start with Willie. I think I pretty much have them all.

Tinto.....I don't even know one version of Happy Chanukah. I know all my Chanukah songs in Hebrew. But if I could apply a salsa rhytm to a Hebrew song...hey...why not? I love Salsa....a lot more than my songs in Hebrew. I know the prayers in Hebrew more than I know the songs, and I am not even that relgious......hardly religious

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platano says on Jul 25, 2005, 19:49:

G5, do you have the album of Sonora Ponceña.... called "On the Right Track" (Inca 1084)?

Also, I'm looking for a song by Sonora Ponceña and I only remember the theme of the song (or chorus) which says, "Te busco". It has an incredible piano solo by Papo Luca. I think it came out around 1998.

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Sam Salmon says on Jul 25, 2005, 20:36:

He almost died '83 from a combination of intensive gigging and.. Let's be honest he almost died from a Cocaine overdose-not overwork.
Anyway Thanks to everyone for their selfless and unique contributions to the thread.


' a la orden!'

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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 08:08:

Hey Sam, glad to hear from you! The thanks, my man, goes to you for starting this incredible thread about Colombian's famous salsero, Joe Arroyo. Have you seen him live in concert? I checked ticketmaster but there were no upcoming events available to buy tickets for. And I can't fly to London for the free gig. Do you think this is really his "gira de despedida"?

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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 08:08:

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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 08:09:

Hey Sam, glad to hear from you! The thanks, my man, goes to you for starting this incredible thread about Colombian's famous salsero, Joe Arroyo. Have you seen him live in concert? I checked ticketmaster but there were no upcoming events available to buy tickets for. And I can't fly to London for the free gig. Do you think this is really his "gira de despedida"?

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Diomedes Nochez says on Jul 26, 2005, 08:11:

Joe Arroyo is already half gringo.

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kernow62 says on Jul 26, 2005, 08:37:

I must say even for someone such as myself that doesn't care for much of the newer salsa this has been a very interesting thread. Descarga is one of the few companies that get my money these days, Fantasy also has a lot of hard to find older stuff for sale, in fact I purchase from them almost exclusively on vinyl before it runs out. Lots of it is not salsa but good Latin music all the same, Mongo Santamaria, Willie Bobo and the like along with the latin tinged music of non-latinos such as Cal Tjader, George Shearing and Dizzy Gillespie, get 'em on vinyl while you can.

I am a big fan of Cachao, if you want to hear good Latin music pick up his Master Sessions CDs, amazing stuff.

Son de Cali put on a good show in Orlando, but I wouldn't go out and buy their CD, the stage show and their sound live was great. Ditto for Orquesta Kimbomo de Tolima, a group I had never heard of prior to the show.

PS: Gomez, that is quite a collection but I have you beat, except I don't own a single cassette! My collection is not mostly Latin though, my speciality is older reggae.

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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 12:27:

Kernow, it's the newer salsa that is less interesting... The classic salsa sound has several characteristics that the newer romantic salsa doesn't:

1) Classic salsa is more Afro-centric, with a percussion you can hear and appreciate. The newer salsa often sounds as if it is coming out of a synthesizer.

2) Classic salsa is more varied: descargas, instrumental flights, vocals with social content, etc. The newer salsa seems to be mostly romantic, or erotic, or pornographic.

3) Classic salsa offers room for improvisation, for "pregonando" and doesn't always fit into a nice 3 minute commercial slot. The lyrics can vary from song to song in the classic salsa whereas the commercialized romantic salsa is canned and always the same.

4) Classic salsa often acknowledges its religious roots by singing to or of the Yoruban deities. Jerry Rivera wouldn't recognize Chango if He tapped Jerry on the shoulder.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 26, 2005, 12:39:

"On the right track" ?? I will have to check Platano. It does not sound familiar of hand, but I have at least 7 or 8 titles. I will look for the song too.

Kernow. I also have over 400 in vinyl. I have 4 CDs of Cachao. He is Ok, I am not really sure why I bought so many since his style and rhythems are so repetitive.


Classic salsa and modern salsa both have their stars. For example, I like Eddie Santiago, and Frankie Ruiz. Both are considered modern salseros, except you never hear from Santago anymore, and the other is dead

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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 13:03:

Last chance... suspense is building... answer now or... Anybody want to take a guess?

Edulfamit Molina Díaz (also known as Piper Pimienta) was an Afro-Colombian native of Puerto Tejada and a lead vocalist of Cali's Los Supremos. He was raised and spent most of his life in what neighborhood?

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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 15:26:

And the answer is... Piper Pimienta was raised and spent most of his life in Cali's Barrio Obrero, a música antillana stronghold.

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kernow62 says on Jul 26, 2005, 15:58:

Damn Platano I was just going to say that! ;-)

G5 what are you spinning your vinyl on these days? I have just about finished putting together a turntable of my own design, I have the platter out getting balanced right now and this weekend I am machining a VTA for the tonearm. I hope to have it finished in a couple of months.

I sell vintage and hi-end audio gear as a sideline if you need anything PM me and I will hook you up with a good deal. Surprisingly on vinyl some of the best sound was from the late 1950s, such as the Columbia 6 eyes, mono stuff. It is getting harder to find, the Japanese are big fans of mono rather than stereo. Sometimes you will find an enthusiast living in one corner of his tiny flat because his one Churchill or Klipschhorn horn speaker and his Marantz tube amps and turntable and records take up the living space. They are usually single guys!

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 26, 2005, 17:07:

Just two years ago I bought a New Technics It's one of those pre balance tone arms. It's not the 1200 that all the clubs use. It works fine for me. Look, a Thorens would not make these old Vinyl things sound any better. They are just that---old. When I was young, and everyone still bought Vinyl, I had one of the best Turntables. I had a Dual. A high end Dual at that. Remember those with the wooden bases. I had high end audio in every way. I had a powerful Pioneer reciever (only analog tuners then), also with a wood cabinet. I had a Tandberg, reel to reel tape deck, with Crossfield heads. In fact, before that I had a fine TEAC, with the feather touch transport system. The Tandberg produced some of the best sound ever, but the joy stick would drive me nuts. So I sold it and went back to a newer and better TEAC deck. JBL, L100 speakers....then Altec Lansing..nice

Today, I have good Yamahah Reciever, CD changer, and a high and excellent Nakamichi cassette deck and a high end semi pro Yamaha Cassettee deck. I have a sub woofer....from that big company in California (name escapes me). The sub really helps with the old stuff. Speakers are Polk Audio. I love them. I have them in my LR and in my BR. So I really don't need anything at the moment.

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platano says on Jul 26, 2005, 17:25:

Salsa romántica vs. salsa dura... from a male perspective... Salsa romántica is considered music that one listens to with one's girlfriend or wife, music by which to squeeze up together on the dance floor. Salsa dura, on the other hand, indexes a different social code, where patterns of heterosexual courtship and romance are eschewed in favor of male bonding and friendly competition.

Implicit in this discourse is a masculinist bias that upholds salsa dura as the only legitimate style of salsa music. The dismissal of salsa romántica constitutes a sort of macho rejection of values conventionally associated with women (i.e., emotional intimacy and sentimental feeling) that threaten the supposed integrity of Latino male identity.

But, in a sense the salsa romántica musicians have not abandoned the issues that salsa dura musicians railed against--as most observers and writers claim (including Plátano of PBH). Rather, they are singing about the indirect effects that crowded barrios and underemployment have had on personal relationships. (just as tango lyrics and dance at the beginning at the 20th century symbolically transferred class and ethnic struggles to the "natural" space of gender difference and romantic conflict.)

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kernow62 says on Jul 26, 2005, 18:13:

G5 if you are happy with the sound that is all that matters. It is surprising how a really high-end phono preamp and a really nice turntable and cartridge will breathe new life into old records.

If your records are worn or if they haven't been cleaned or kept clean there is only one thing for you, a laser turntable. The laser can be moved up or down withing the record's grooves to find an unworn spot on the vinyl, and of course it doesn't add wear to the vinyl. They are about $16,000 USD still a lot cheaper than the top of the line turntables from SME and other companies which can reach $75,000. Way out of my league. I think my unit will end up costing about $2000 plus the arm still expensive but in line with other good turntables.

When it is time for a new cartridge try one of the lesser priced Grado units, made in Brooklyn, they cut out a lot of background noise from old vinyl but leave in the detail. Grado makes the best budget cans especially if you listen to a low-powered portable CD player, GOOGLE Grado S60.

I can't believe a supporter of the US would buy Japanese audio gear, I am shocked Gomezman. Even the Japanese enthusiast will buy American or British made gear instead of the Japanese stuff. Next you will be telling me you drive a Japanese car!

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 26, 2005, 19:05:

Well Kernow I recognize that there is some really well made Audio equipment. But, let's face it, the good American stuff does not come cheap. Not by any means. The Japs have always been the leaders in fine electronic gear. I though you would be more suprised that I bought German gear. Tandberg and Dual are both German...but very high quality. The only thing that the US has excelled in for reasonable prices, is speakers. I forgot, Boston accoustics make great speakers too.

By the way, I heard of Grado. But the company that sold my turntable, gave me a great deal on the high end turntable with Audio Technica's top of the line cartridge. It's better than average. You also have to realize that turntables that have better frequency response are also going to be more sensitive to picking up noice coming from the vinyl. I forgot to tell you, My LPs are all in decent to excellent shape. A good portion of my LP's are classic rock...from your country of course. If you add up cassettes, LPs, and CDs. I probably have about 600 titles of classic rock. And remeber Kernow, I don't have a 100,000 watt radio station like you do.

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platano says on Jul 27, 2005, 07:50:

Salsa and translocation... Salsa's transcendence of geographic and cultural boundaries has been central to its affective power--its capacity to literally move thousands of people. In a recent essay, Mayra Santos Febres refers to this process as "translocation"--the emergence of a globalized musical community from among its different locales of production and reception.

Santos Febres, Mayra. 1997. "Salsa as Translocation." In Celeste Fraser Delgado and José Esteban Muñoz, eds., Everynight Life: Culture and Dance in Latin/o America. Durham: Duke University Press, pp. 175-88.

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kernow62 says on Jul 27, 2005, 13:43:

You are right Gomez, good audio gear doesn't come cheap and some of it is just overpriced, but there is a middle ground and some of it American made. Britain is the mecca of good sound on a budget though, brands like Rega, Moth, ARCAM, Musical Fidelity, and a host of budget speaker manufacturers make nice sounding stuff at reasonable prices.

Here are a few of my favourite brands, but they are all expensive.

• Goldmund


• MERIDIAN


• vpi


• SME


• naim


• LINN

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platano says on Jul 27, 2005, 15:22:

Since Joe Arroyo's London bound, a little about Salsa in London. Latin Americans have played an important role in the spread of Latin music to and across London. The contact between Britain and Latin music started many years ago, and was apparent during the 1920's with the popularity of tango. However, the popularity of salsa music is related to the immigration processs of the 1970's.

The routes of salsa music into London can be related to simultaneous efforts among music industries, record shops, magazines, radio stations, embassies, solidarity campaigns, and clubs. Although acting for their own objectives and purposes, at the same time these were also developing links with one another.

The first specialized record shop in Latin music, Mr. Bongo, started operating in London during the summer of 1990. This was followed by Latino Records in May 1991, but the shop ceased operations in January 1992.

The music industries have also contributed to local music scenes by promoting bands around the world. During the early 1990's, two production companies--Salsa Boogie and Tropicana Productions--started promoting salsa events in London. Previous to this, events were mainly organized on individual terms. These companies jointly organized and promoted their first mega-concert with the Oscar D'León concert at Hammersmith Palais on April 24, 1994. The organization of this concert was their first attempt to extend and expand their operations in London.

The popularity and success of salsa concerts increased so that by the summer of 2000 BBC London Live was promoting an all-day festival featuring Rubén Blades, Celia Cruz (que en paz descanse), and Oscar D'León.

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platano says on Jul 27, 2005, 17:00:

The Beginning of Salsa Music Clubs in London... Toward the end of the 1970s the tendency was to rent church halls and community centers in South London. These parties were organized by a group of five or six people who took turns renting the same church hall or community center each week for a period of five to six weeks or until they were discovered to be operating clubs by the managers running these halls. The church halls and community centers rented space for private parties as a strategy to raise money, but they did not anticipate that the space would be used for clubs. That is why Amigo Hall in Lambeth and Saint Matthew's Hall in Brixton were the most popular ones. These clubs were located away from the center of the city and in places where they were less exposed to the police.

Another tendency during this period was to organize clubs by hiring bars and restaurants. One of these was El Escondite (the Hiding Place), which ended in a tragic incident in which seventeen Colombians died. Many of these clubs were considered clandestine because they operated without a license or because they were open until six or seven in the morning.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 27, 2005, 17:40:

Krell ??? Are you kidding??? Kernow, you can buy a house in some places of the USA for what Krell Amp what cost. Look, I am running a pair of Polk Audio bookshelf speaker that sell for about $400 a pair. They have a basic tweeter, midrang, and bass and a port of some sort. Why would anyone buy an expensive amp/reciever for this? One thing I learned years ago. You have to buy compnenents that are compatible with each other. I buy quality audio gear. My Yamaha reciever will match with the best of them. A super clean 75 watts per channel. Total harmonic distortion that with my speakers produces splendid, clear and crisp sound. A 15,000 krell amp/preamp is not going to make a difference out of my two little speakers...nothing discernable anyway.

Cd changers are all about the same. Cassette decks do vary depending on the quality of the heads, and the trasport system. My semi pro cassette deck is great. It has bias adjustment and trim controls. These are only found on high end decks. The transport has seperate motors for reliable and smooth transport. At the time I purchased this deck (4 years ago), my other option was a deck made by NAD, another high end deck.

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platano says on Jul 27, 2005, 19:37:

Salsa sound recordings and vernacular in Cali... The Caleño vernacular word for "song" is disco (literally, record disc). In Cali when they say, "Vamos a bailar este disco" or "Tócame ese disco," it means "Let's dance to this song" or "Perform that song for me". It is a usage that I don't think is common in other parts of Latin America but it indicates how much Cali has been impacted by recorded music and its impact on local cultural meanings.

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platano says on Aug 3, 2005, 20:59:

Joe Arroyo Star Attraction in London G2: Arts: Out & About: Festivals: Salsa with everything
ALICE O'KEEFE
GUARDIAN , August 03, 2005
Most Londoners are completely unaware of it, but this Sunday the capital is hosting the biggest free Latin American carnival in Europe. Carnaval del Pueblo will take place in Southwark's Burgess Park (carnavaldelpueblo.co.uk). It's just like the one in Rio, only slightly smaller and probably more drizzly.

There will be a procession of floats crammed with scantily clad, bottom-shaking lovelies; three stages showcasing everything from sharp-suited salsa singers to swaggering Cuban rappers, Latin heavy metal and Bolivian dancers; stalls groaning with enchiladas and sickly sweet arequipe . This year, the star attraction is Colombian singer Joe Arroyo; in previous years, salsa legends including Wille Colon and Oscar de Leon have made guest appearances.

The carnival started in a tiny playground in Islington 10 years ago, and although it has been run on a shoestring ever since, the turnout has swelled from 3,000 to nearly 100,000. "Our carnival is going to grow much bigger than Notting Hill," says the festival's organiser, the jovial Colombian Luis Mario Tasama. "Notting Hill is just the same stuff every year. But the variety of our culture is infinite. For every Latin American town there is a different style of music, dance and dress. So Carnaval del Pueblo is always different, and more beautiful each time."

The growth of the carnival reflects the increasing confidence of Britain's Latin American community, who now number an estimated quarter of a million in London alone. There has long been a salsa club on almost every corner of the capital - at last count, says Tasama, there were 800. And over the past couple of years, the hordes of young Latinos studying and working here have injected the scene with new life. London clubs such as Bar Rumba and the Rhythm Factory have opened Latin nights, featuring new genres such as the grinding mix of salsa and reggae known as reggaeton.

But London's Latino community is still short of cash. "The people organising Latin-themed events aimed at an English audience have no trouble getting sponsorship," says Tasama. "It's much more difficult for us, as our audience is predominantly Latin American. But the event is so big now that we're hoping the mayor will help us out with funding next year." If they succeed, Notting Hill's organisers should start worrying.

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Tomato likes to salsa says on Aug 8, 2005, 04:19:

Carnaval del Pueblo 7th August 2005 I was very excited when I heard that Joe Arroyo was playing in the Free event held last weekend at Burgess Park (Elephant and Castle) - however I was very disappointed when I hung out all day to then find that Joe Arroyo cancelled.

Does anyone know why there was no show? and if there are any other opportunities to see him live?

Muchas gracias

Martica

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kernow62 says on Aug 8, 2005, 04:37:

He has a habit of not showing I have heard. I am sure he must be upsetting a lot of his loyal fans. Very sad for the organisers of the event who are in general doing such a great job with limited funding.

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Colombiche says on Aug 8, 2005, 09:32:

Music Question Does anybody know where the composer of "Negro Jose" hails from? My Uruguayan friends say he is from Uruguay. I always though "Negro Jose" was a Colombian song. Alguien sabe?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kernow62 says on Aug 8, 2005, 12:14:

Colombiche, I believe Roberto Ternan hails from Argentina near Uruguay.

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nanis says on Aug 8, 2005, 12:55:

Joe Who? I do like his music but i'm not a big fan, but where there is a free event concerning music and drinking then there's me! I waited the whole day at the carnival and that guy never showed up apparently he had a problem with immigration in italy. but then another unkown guy started singing salsa and as most people were off their heads by then they didn't give sh*t who was singing everybody just started dancing and drinking until the police came to kick our backsides out of the park

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platano says on Aug 8, 2005, 21:21:

Candombé for José Colombiche,

Creo que fue un argentino, Roberto Ternán, más conocido como el "Chato" Ternavasio.

Candombé for José by Roberto Ternán

In a forgotten town I don’t know why
And his dark man’s dance makes him move.
In the town they call him Negro José,
Friend Negro José.
Negro José dances with a lot of love,
He has the color of night on his skin.
He’s very happy dancing, ecstatic, our
Friend Negro José.
Forgive me if I tell you Negro José,
you are devil but Friend Negro José.
Your future is linked to mine Negro José,
I tell you because I know.When he starts to dance, a lot of loving glances,
and the drumbeat of his eyes seems to talk
And his bedeviled shirt wants to jump,
Friend Negro José.
You seem to have no troubles,
But you abound in troubles, Negro José.
You leave them behind in your dance, I know that very well,
Friend Negro José.
Forgive me if I tell you Negro José,
You are devil but friend Negro José,
Your future is linked to mine Negro José,
I tell you because I know,
Friend Negro José.
I tell you because I know,
Friend Negro José.

Journalist Patricia Verdugo had also spoken about this song:

In November of 1976, Pinochet, through U.S. pressure basically, had no other alternative but to open the prisoners’ camps. (Later, there were other prisoners, but this marked the end of political prisoners jailed since the coup.) When the last camp, Tres Alamos, was opened, I was there covering the event. All the prisoners were lined up with their knapsacks and their bundles waiting to be liberated. When the doors are about to be opened, some of them decide to say good-bye to each other and the way they have of saying good-bye starts with singing El Negro José. Then, all the voices -- we’re talking about hundreds of people in a huge patio of a concentration camp -- start to sing, and then their families who are outside waiting for them also start to sing. You felt these thousands and thousands of voices joined in one song and there was nothing more to say. One song said it all.

plátano

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quindioman says on Aug 9, 2005, 05:05:

great posts platano....you know your stuff when it comes to salsa. You are quite right with your breakdown of salsa music in London....I was at a concert in Hammesmith Palais Oscar D'Leon, however I believe that was in 95.....one of the best concerts I have ever been to.
Regarding El Escondite...I had never heard of it or that tragic accident with the Colombian fatalities

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platano says on Aug 9, 2005, 19:41:

Sorry Joe Arroyo didn't show up.... If you get a chance and you are in London, check out some of the other festivals. The Gran Gran Fiesta, one of the biggest festivals organized in London, is one of those events that has received support from local boroughs, embassies, and private enterprises. The Gran Gran Fiesta is organized every two years, with the major events usually held at open-air parks in South London and music halls in Central London. A Pequeña Fiesta is organized in the year between. The Colombian Carnaval was sponsored by the Colombian Embassy and local boroughs. All these have contributed to the creation of a local sals scene in London.

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platano says on Aug 9, 2005, 19:46:

About the Colombians who died in El Escondite... It was in 1980 (August I think) with people in there around three in the morning. In the same place as this metedero (clandestine spot) was a bar run by a Jamaican on the first floor that was frequented by a Scottish drunk. That night they did not allow him to go in, he might have done something wrong. The entrance was the same for both places. As the Scottish drunk was not allowed to go in he went to a petrol station, bought a gallon of petrol and burnt the place, and seventeen people along with around twenty members from the other club died.

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platano says on Aug 9, 2005, 20:01:

If you are in London, check out the Colombian Barco Latino... Barco Latino, a boat located on the River Thames (Temple Pier, Victoria Embankment), opened in November 1990. During the day it was a Colombian restaurant, and it became a Latin club from 9 P. M. to 3 A. M. As a club Barco Latino was frequented mainly by Colombians, particularly on Saturdays. Among Colombians, this was one of the most popular clubs that operated with a license. Barco Latino was a small boat limited by the licensing authorities to seventy-five people and was decorated with some Colombian motifs. The wall near the dance floor was docorated with a collection of postcards from the varied regions of Colombia. Barco Latino was managed by Camilo Pereira, a Colombian who had been living in Britain since 1974. He changed the music, by playing Latin music all the time and included a menu that had a selection of Latin American dishes like tamales, sancocho, tostones, and chicharón. Hmmm... I'm going to get something to eat.

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Tomato likes to salsa says on Aug 10, 2005, 09:29:

Oh well... For me saying Joe Arroyo was going to play was a bit like saying...hmmm... Elvis is in the house! I didn't believe it would happen anyway...

Barco Latino sounds C H E V E R E! However I have an English boyfriend... Does anyone know any good salsa classes so I train him up and take him dancing?

Cheers!

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pedro antonio says on Aug 10, 2005, 13:30:

Salsa In London My I first thank Plantano for all his history of Tropical Music.I loved his pieces.This guy knows all there is to know.I am an English Guy who loves to hear Latin Sounds and I checked out The Burgess Park concert but I was told the Joe could not get a visa through Spain and someone else said that they did not have enough money.Still Victor Hugo was good but I hope to get a chance to see Joe one day.I have seen Grupo Niche,Oscar DeLeon,Lisandro Messa,plus other great names at this carnaval.All free.Yes free.Thanks to Mr Livingstone.On the matter of great Latin Bands I love Sonora Caroulselles.When the dancers were on they played an introduction from one of their songs.The one that says dance in all the differant countries of the world.It ends with baille in Colombia.Now as you know all the venues in London Mr Plantano what happened to Guayando Latin Club.They had some great names.Victor Manuel for example there.I buy my CD,s from all those little Colombia shops under the rail arches or the Colombian Market in Seven Sisters.Also in Peckham I found a little shop but they had Latin Brothers music which now I see is involved in the great Fruco,Arroyo music scene.Can you post some more venues Plantano for English Salseos to checkout.

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quindioman says on Aug 11, 2005, 03:13:

el famoso barco latino lol.....does this place throw up some memories...fact is I haven't frequented a nightclub in London for over a year.
El Barco Latino is the longest running Colombian nightclub in London....it's been moored on the bank of the River Thames since day dot...well certainly since the eighties....if the boat could speak it would have more tales than Elmo to tell.
I believe it's still there, people still go but I believe its heyday has passed. If you go to el Barco on a Friday night you are more likely to be surounded by Indians and Europeans than Latinos, the Colombians still make their way to el Barco however, they tend to do it on Sunday nights.
Guayando was also a favourite of mine, I too was there when Victor Manuelle made an appearance...I believe it was called Bilongo before it changed managment. I haven't been up to Manor House in ages so I don't know if there's a latin club up there.
I know BarRumba (shaftesbury avenue) has a latin night on Tuesdays but I believe they play a lot of reggaeton. London is just beginning to wake up to the Reggaeton golpe so expect a lot of the traditional latin clubs to be putting the ol reggaeton on heavy rotation.
I belive there is also a latin club bang in Leicester Square, but I believe that the flavour of the month with Colombians here in London is Ministry of Salsa at Club Chaney (Elephant & Castle) I haven't been there but I know that's where Colombians spend their had earned Queen's Heads on Fridays and Saturdays.
Conversely there was a club in Clapham called Baracoa...it was run by a very good friend of the family Pescaito...unfortunately he was gunned down and subsequently died in hospital....the bastards just wanted to take the clubs takings for that night, he wasn't giving it up so they shot him...in front of his wife and daughter.

Platano...i never knew about that drunk that burnt that club down...i arrived here in 83 so i imagine that went down before i came here

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Tomato likes to salsa says on Aug 19, 2005, 14:05:

So many venues, so little time... I like to salsa! Amigos latinos!

Thank you for all the information friends... Shame Joe couldn't get that visa to come to London. The same happened to me 11 years ago when we were coming back from Venezuela and my Colombian father told us to cry so that they would let us through anyway...

So here I am in Englang!

Anyway,

Goodnight.

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platano says on Aug 19, 2005, 21:23:

quidioman and tomato likes to... Thanks for your updates and comments! Good to know there are still so many salsa lovers around.

Plátano, el bobo simplón

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