It's not only violent in Colombia

mvefwd says on Apr 17, 2007, 06:20:

Violence BLACKSBURG, Va. - Police and university authorities faced pressure Tuesday to explain how a gunman apparently evaded detection after killing two people and then went on to kill 30 others two hours later in America’s worst shooting rampage.

The bloodbath ended Monday with the gunman committing suicide, bringing the death toll to 33 and stamping the campus in the picturesque Blue Ridge Mountains with unspeakable tragedy, perhaps forever.

No matter where you go... You are who you are...

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aztec says on Apr 17, 2007, 06:30:

Please note... ...the act of mass murder at VT was committed by an alien.

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arthur brode says on Apr 17, 2007, 08:50:

a sick society breeds sick people Fatal shootings at U.S. colleges or universities in recent years.

_April 16, 2007: A gunman fatally shoots 32 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va. The gunman kills himself.





_Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.

_Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.

_Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.

_Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.

_Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.

_Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department; one other person was wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.

_July 12, 1976: Edward Charles Allaway, a custodian in the library of California State University, Fullerton, fatally shoots seven fellow employees and wounds two others. Mentally ill, Allaway believed his colleagues were pornographers and were forcing his estranged wife to appear in their movies. A judge found him innocent by reason of insanity in 1977 after a jury was unable to reach a verdict and he was committed to the state mental health system.

_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.

_Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.

(Corrects University of Iowa shooting to one person also injured.)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 17, 2007, 10:01:

This shooting are very common in the USA,how many in this lasts year?, not many students in Colombia go in rampage to kill the others.

i will be scare of upsetting my own classmates in the USA, he could return and kill us all

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 17, 2007, 10:16:

"not many students in Colombia go in rampage to kill the others. Sorry Kat1, corazon, but that's simply because in Colombia the super-violent join the Paracos or the FARC and go get their violence kicks murdering dozens in the countryside or blowing up bombs. No need to "go postal" in Colombia. There are so many easier outlets.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 17, 2007, 10:21:

well at least we know where the enemy is ;))

but there even the sweet old lady from the corner shop can be a psycho

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 11:14:

These kids that kill each other here in the good ol USA are mostly suburban upper middle class kids from the Bible belt. Most listen to that devil music, and start wearing all black and acting weird.
The only entertainment is going to the local 7-eleven store. They become quite bored and despondent and before you know it they’re putting a list together of which class mates to kill.
The parents are usually the last ones to go, most time they end up cooking them for dinner.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 11:29:

That’s why I’m such a mentally well balance, happy, content individual. All my life I lived in big cities, Barranquilla and NYC. I grew up around modefouqes from all over the planet. That’s why we have no problem with illegal Mexicans. We love them in NYC.
We got so many kinds of activities there is no time to make up a list of which class mates to kill. Hell, I hardly went to school, too busy chasing broads, everything I learned, I learned in the streets.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 17, 2007, 11:43:

I sure wish american youth would stop imitating my violence- soaked, there-is-no-consequences-to-killing-numerous-people-other-than-a-numerical-score video and DVD games!!!!!! i am just sick and tired of these copycats, with no sense of creativity of their own, glamorizing my cultural music called "gangsta rap", where women are put up on a pedestal and praised to the high heavens, and if you dont like what they say, they advocate violence......Damn kids! who is teaching them this shit! Embrace gangsta rap, violence, demeaning other races, genders, etc.....It truly is the way to set us Free!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Simon says on Apr 17, 2007, 11:45:

"Please note...
...the act "Please note...
...the act of mass murder at VT was committed by an alien."


Aztec,

I think you mean an "immigrant". "Aliens" come from other planets like Mars, Venus, Krypton etc.


BTW, that dude did grow up in the US.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 17, 2007, 11:52:

I think Aztec was referring to the fact that the shooter was a "resident alien" (legal status) who was not yet an American citizen, Simon.....but, maybe not....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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arthur brode says on Apr 17, 2007, 11:54:

Mr.H
If thats true then why dont they "go postal" as frequent in other countries,like Latin America.There are more psychos in the U.S. than anywhere in the world.Everyone knows that.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 17, 2007, 12:02:

Hard to go postal When there's no postal system...

No, really, I suspect there are all sorts of cases around the world of people going in and shooting up their workplace, etc. Us Americans like to Supersize everything so I suspect we use bigger guns and kill more people than in, say, Fiji, but I've been all around the world and NO country has a real monopoly on murder and mayhem. The US is also one of the major global media centers so we hear about this shit. Do you really think it's going to make the international feeds if some kid in Mongolia or Uzbekistan dresses in black and offs a bunch of classmates?

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 12:03:

The simple reason as to why suburban rich kids are most likely to kill each other in school is very simple. They aint got nothing better to do. I read about a case, can’t recall which city or state, but definitely not NYC, where a well to do handsome young man bludgeoned his mother with a hammer after she asked him to clean the family pool.
There are alarming rising cases of upper middle class kids killing their parents and is all the Illegal Mexicans fault.
Why? these kids no longer have to clean their pool, they no longer have to mowe the lawn , no longer have to go down to the restaurant to pick up food, everything is done by Mexicans. All these kids do is watch video games and make up list of which class mates to kill.
The answer is to get these lazy assholes working instead of seating around watching Mexicans do their work.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Simon says on Apr 17, 2007, 12:14:

"The simple reason as to why suburban rich kids are most likely to kill each other in school is very simple. They aint got nothing better to do."

Yeah, too bad they don't go out to dance Salsa on weekends. Now that's good clean fun!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Simon says on Apr 17, 2007, 12:21:

"I would say the muslim world has
all the psychos"


Hold on there Esanch:

Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, the Son of Sam, the monster of the Andes, the FARC, the Zodiac killer, David Koresh, etc....none of those guys were muslim! Let's not be bigoted now.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 17, 2007, 12:39:

Just an aside but who did David Koresh kill? I know he was a freak and a perv, but I always thought the FBI killed those people.

I'd be curious to know how many people in Colombia have at least 33 scalps on their belt. I bet it's a lot. I'm sure in the tough neighborhoods of Medellin during the Escobar years you were considered a lightweight until you reached the triple digits.

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Simon says on Apr 17, 2007, 12:57:

Well, Koresh did lead them to their deaths.

Yeah, but here's the difference, those sicarios usually take out other dirty people. Most aren't gonna go after innocent civilians.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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webmanco says on Apr 17, 2007, 13:32:

Has anyone seen the documental Bowling for Columbine?, by Michael Moore

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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arthur brode says on Apr 17, 2007, 13:56:

Mr.H I DO NOT suspect there are all sorts of cases around the world of people going in and shooting up their Workplace,Universities/Schools etc. as frequent as it is in the U.S.If something like this occured in Colombia or anywhere in Latin America,it would have hit international news.And why do you compare the U.S. to Fiji,Mongolia,Uzbekistan and not to other industrialized nations?

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 17, 2007, 14:41:

5 Seconds on Google reveals this from the BBC "Friday, 26 April, 2002, 21:32 GMT 22:32 UK
18 dead in German school shooting
Distraught people outside the school in Erfurt
The Gutenberg school is well-known in Erfurt
Eighteen people died when an expelled former pupil went on a shooting spree at his school in the eastern German city of Erfurt.

Masked and dressed in black, the gunman walked through classrooms killing 14 teachers, two schoolgirls and one of the first policemen on the scene before taking his own life..."

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 17, 2007, 14:44:

Here's another list This one of workplace mass murders in Canada.

http://www.theworkadvisor.com/news/archived/workplace_murders.htm

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 14:46:

WARNING! if your teen age son starts dressing in black, call the cops on that modefoque.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 17, 2007, 14:46:

Then, of course, there's the real topper of school violence "Russia school siege toll tops 350
Putin denounces 'attack on our country'


BESLAN, Russia (CNN) -- The death toll in the Russian hostage crisis has climbed beyond 350 as President Vladimir Putin denounced the massacre as "an attack on our country."

In a nationally televised speech Saturday, Putin said the fall of the Soviet Union had left the country unable to react to attacks, and he urged Russians to join together.

"We must create a much more effective system of security," he said. "We couldn't adequately react. ... We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten." (Full story).

North Ossetia government spokesman Lev Dzugayev told CNN that 323 hostages, including 156 children, died in the siege in the southern town.

In addition, 26 hostage-takers -- including 10 people from Arab countries -- and at least 10 Russian Special Forces troops died..."

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 14:50:

WARNING!!
If your teen age WARNING!!
If your teen age son starts writing 666 all over his note book, call the cops on that modefoque.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 14:52:

WARNING!
If your teen age WARNING!
If your teen age son starts to drink his grilfriend's blood, call the cops on that modefoque and lock your doors.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 14:54:

WARNING!
If your teen age WARNING!
If your teen age son starts listenng to old Ozzie records, call the cops on that modefoque.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 14:58:

WARNING!If your teen age WARNING!
If your teen age son starts to sleep hanging upside down like a fokin bat, stick a sharp piece of wood deep inside in his heart and call the cops

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 15:00:

WARNING!
If your teen age WARNING!
If your teen age son starts collecting M-16 and AK 47, don't call the fokin cops, call SWAT.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 17, 2007, 15:01:

elmo you starting to look like spam now

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 15:04:

WARNING!If your teen age WARNING!
If your teen age son starts hanging out with guys with names like muhammed, abdulah, osama, etc, call the CIA, ICE and HomeLand Security on his ass.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 15:04:

ok, one last one!
ok, one last one!

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2007, 15:07:

WARNING!
If your teen age WARNING!
If your teen age son starts listening to Barry Manilow, and Liza Minelli, you got yourself a healty happy marica baby boy.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 17, 2007, 15:19:

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arthur brode says on Apr 17, 2007, 17:42:

is that all you could come up with? even though Canada is neighbors,they still dont come close.The U.S. takes the......




What about South American workplace/university rampages???

Btw,the Russian massacre does not count:( Muslim terrorist where responsible for that.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 17, 2007, 18:52:

I didn't realize That it only counts if you're murdered in school by one of your fellow students.

You go ahead and believe what you want, Arthur.

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 17, 2007, 20:12:

I read with interest Mr. Hollywood's attempts to bring sanity to a PBSH thread but try as he might, he seems to have failed. On PBSH, Colombia is like Lago Wobegone where the men are handsome, the women are beautiful and all the children are above average. I just find it shocking that so many Colombians choose to leave such a paradise.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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arthur brode says on Apr 17, 2007, 20:22:

what if your teenage daughter starts looking like this?

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arthur brode says on Apr 17, 2007, 21:05:

Simon,you forgot....... Ed Gein,Henry Lee Lucas,John Wayne Gacy,The Unabomber,The Green River Killer,The Hillside Strangler,The Boston Strangler,Richard Ramirez(aka "night stalker")

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 17, 2007, 21:07:

Time to take her on a beach vacation, I guess.

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Simon says on Apr 17, 2007, 21:11:

"I didn't realize
That it "I didn't realize
That it only counts if you're murdered in school by one of your fellow students. "


Mr Hollywood,

I think we're talking about random mass murderers, not terrorists who kill people to further their cause.

Yeah Arthur, there's so many wackos in this world. I also left out that psycho who shot and killed about 20 people in an italian restaurtant in Bogotá in 1986.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 17, 2007, 21:23:

I guess I just don't see much point in making a big distinction about the supposed motives of the killers in any massacre. What matters to me is that people are dead. And what's important to me, individually, about a place, whether it's a city or a country, is the overall level of violence and the chances of being caught up in it. So whether I get shot in the office by a disgruntled co-worker or a terrorist doesn't really mean much to me.

Perhaps its an interesting sociological exercise to some.

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 17, 2007, 21:31:

I, for one, think it's a terrible injustice that Canada's mass murderers haven't gotten the attention that their mass murdering neighbors to the south have gotten. Some of these guys can play in the big leagues of murder and shouldn't take a back seat to anyone. Check out Victor Hoffman, murdered 9 in Saskatchewan in 1967. Or Marc Lepine who killed 14 in Montreal in 1989. Or Michael Wayne McGray who killed 16 in a cross country tour in the 90s. Who can forget Roch Thériault, cult leader and serial killer, about whom the movie "Savage Messiah" was made. There are many more but they toil in obscurity so to speak.

And let's not leave Colombia out of it either. They should be proud of the world's all-time leader in serial killings. This guy is the Babe Ruth of serial killing: Pedro Lopez who is credited with more than 300 murders. We gringos have a long way to go to match that kind of devotion to duty! Now that's killing! Trailing him in the murder derby is another Colombian, Luis Alfredo Gavarito, who bagged 140 victims in the 90s.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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caslug says on Apr 17, 2007, 21:38:

wasn't there a guy.. in ecuador.. that off 40 or 50 kids? I remember John Leguizomo, made a movie base on him and the reporter that help catch him. In Russia, DURING the soviet time, there was a mass murder that offed over 200 people.

I belive Mr. H. reason is correct and logical, in countries that have easy access to violence.. then the psycho kids can go into that route(FARC/AUC/Trafficos). In the US, you could STILL join a gang these days, if you dont mind violence and care little for consequences. but the opp't to off alot of people when in a gang is not that much in US.. But, in violence countries like COL or Cambodia(during the pol pot years), a physco kid w/ "potential", can really rack up head counts!

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 17, 2007, 21:42:

People get all worked up about the 32 victims in Virginia but in a lot of countries that's small potatoes and hardly worth talking about. I'm sure plenty of sicarios in Colombia have offed way more than 32 but really, who's even paying attention?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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caslug says on Apr 17, 2007, 22:08:

yeah UTC.. especially when they get 2 for 1 deal.. hit the wrong target, then go back for the right! haha.. talking about padding your score!

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 17, 2007, 22:12:

UC, thankyou.
By the way, UC, thankyou.

By the way, MSNBC now reports the guns committed the crime.

Fox news shows pictures of the two guns used. The one shown as a 9mm is not the right brand as the one used; and the second is the 9mm, but labeled as a .22 on TV - though it is a Glock model 22 which is a 9mm. God this crap frustrates me.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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goin_south says on Apr 17, 2007, 22:43:

Elmodefoque... Mr Hollywood, UTc, Esanch, Caslug... Imagine...

...this group making the most collective sense.

Kat,...darling, get a grip on reality.
I think you are watching TOO MUCH TEL-E-VI-SI-ON, FROM LOS ESTODOS UNIDOS.

Ciao! Gustav.

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Man Tequila says on Apr 17, 2007, 22:53:

Tilting at windmills "Too much sanity may be madness; and the maddest of all, to see life as it is and not as it should be".
-- Miguel de Cervantes, Don Quixote

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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goin_south says on Apr 17, 2007, 23:03:

turn the TV off... I'm not being cold-hearted. But, I now know more about VT, after reading this column than I have heard in the past 24 hours (I haven't heard anything in the last 24 hours... no tv, no radio,....NO BAD NEWS.) Not cold-hearted. Only that like things in Colombia... NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT. I am sorry, for those who have lost a son or daughter, just as much as you are. But... by not having TV, my mind is not filled with this tragedy

It's very peaceful, right here in my backyard.
Not getting knocked out of my chair by EXPLOSIONS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT....

18 homocides per 100,000 this year...(70 IN CALI !!!)
You can hear a pin drop, almost every night of the year in my neighborhood (God! That is Boring!)

I'm gonna start working on plans ... VA A COLOMBIA PRONTO!


Imagine...

Ciao! Gustav.

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mvefwd says on Apr 18, 2007, 05:03:

Sicarios This payaso shot and executed innocent people. Sicarios whack people. There is a huge difference.

No matter where you go... You are who you are...

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elmodefoque says on Apr 18, 2007, 05:04:

I’m serious, to keep kids from going bananas and start killing their classmates, best thing to do is move to a big city. Those kids out in the suburbs have nothing to do but look out the window and watch the grass grow. They have no interaction with other people and races, they are bored shitless.
Listen, I gotto new jersey on weekends, let me tell you if not for the fokin malls I wouldn’t EVER come to this fokin place. I see nice tree covered streets with beautiful homes, BUT no fokin people.
WHERE ARE THE FOKIN PEOPLE????????
They are afraid to sit in front of the house and down a beer or two. If I see a street named “Main Street� I ‘m outta there!
They’re all anti social sick in the head modefoques. The adults spent all the time hating on Mexicans and the kids seat around hating their classmates.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 18, 2007, 05:18:

I think big cities are the problem, lack of comunity.. i think that is the big problem in the USA the lack of comunity everybody became to individualistics, not caring but only themselves. when i went to see my sister in Orlando , i didn't meet the neighbours, i saw basketball courts, cars, etc but where were the kids the people?, the only ones outside were mine.. they even asked where the people was. my sister feel lonely there she said, people don't care how you are. at leat where i live is not like that, and that i feel part of a caring comunity. there is alot of loners in the USA, lots of depressed people, and nobody cares and check what is the state mind of theses guys, family are not important there, and sometimes a rational mind become irrational, this boy was a loner yet the UNI didn't offer to help to see what was the problem with this guy, to help him to find sicological help....

Feliz Afortunado i think this is reality, in Colombia they become criminal because of the circuntances, we are a 3 world country with a big unemployment, corruption, and to make money there is difficult, I don't say this is an excuse, but for so many to find the easiest route is , ie become a guerrillero or a sicario. they doing it for money, these people in the USA is just crazy, depressed people.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 18, 2007, 05:26:

Mi amor, you gotta it all wrong, the problem is the suburbs not big cities. Every single mass murderer in USA comes from the suburbs.
Now, if you think Orlando is a big city, then we're on different wave frequency

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 18, 2007, 05:31:

well probably but it doesn't matter doesn't it,the problem is that in there nobody cares really. not even the University.. the guy was a problem and the Uni didn't do nothing about the just ignore him.


I not defending the UK but if they knew there were something wrong with guy he would have been send to some help.

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podborski says on Apr 18, 2007, 05:52:

did anyone ever think that maybe things like child kidnappings and mass murders, serial killings etc., just get more media attention in the USA than in other parts of the world?

Or that a lot of serial killers in less developed countries just don't ever get caught, or even noticed?

To take the random acts of some lunatic as a condemnation of any society is so simplistic it's quite sad.

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podborski says on Apr 18, 2007, 05:55:

once again, I agree with elmo if I had kids I would not condemn them to small town or suburban 'life'. Kids need stuff to do, and since we aren't farmers anymore, small town kids have a tough time, IMHO.

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miamimike says on Apr 18, 2007, 05:56:

Yep This Violence Would Not Even Make A Blip On The Iraq Radar screen. Just think, those poor folks see this amount of Violence DAILY. It really puts the Iraqi Death count in Perspective, hard to fathom how those poor folk undergo that amount of daily Grieving that we are undergoing now in Virginia in just in one day of Carnage...Beyond belief,,,same a few years back in Colombia as weekly(now maybe only every few months) they had occurences like this,,,makes one wonder how they coped(cope),,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Simon says on Apr 18, 2007, 10:05:

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I think big cities are the problem, lack of comunity.. i think that is the big problem in the USA the lack of comunity everybody became to individualistics, not caring but only themselves. when i went to see my sister in Orlando , i didn't meet the neighbours, i saw basketball courts, cars, etc but where were the kids the people?, the only ones outside were mine.. they even asked where the people was. my sister feel lonely there she said, people don't care how you are. at leat where i live is not like that, and that i feel part of a caring comunity. there is alot of loners in the USA, lots of depressed people, and nobody cares and check what is the state mind of theses guys, family are not important there, and sometimes a rational mind become irrational, this boy was a loner yet the UNI didn't offer to help to see what was the problem with this guy, to help him to find sicological help....

Feliz Afortunado i think this is reality, in Colombia they become criminal because of the circuntances, we are a 3 world country with a big unemployment, corruption, and to make money there is difficult, I don't say this is an excuse, but for so many to find the easiest route is , ie become a guerrillero or a sicario. they doing it for money, these people in the USA is just crazy, depressed people.


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Wow, Katt, that's the best post of yours I've ever read! Everything you say is so true! CONGRATULATIONS!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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poco says on Apr 18, 2007, 10:51:

Serving up some punishment The parents are usually the last ones to go, most time they end up cooking them for dinner.

Girl Friends seem at the top of the list.

Shepherd faces a murder charge for killing 19-year-old Stewart, then dismembering her body and burning her remains on his patio grill.

I’d bet no one in New York has BBQ’d their victim? Is this an indication of becoming accustomed to violence or lack of inventiveness?

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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elmodefoque says on Apr 18, 2007, 11:03:

I keep telling you guys, those middle class surburban kids are bored chitless, they ain't got nothing to keep them busy.
How many nites can you hang out in front of 7-eleven, or drive up and down main street?

life is a bitch, then you die!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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juancegomez says on Apr 18, 2007, 11:15:

Apples and oranges Professional "sicarios" may indeed have assassinated far more people in Colombia over the years, but mass massacres by lone, semi-spontaneous (as in, they aren't trained killers) gunmen, like that seen at Virgina Tech, are still rare. And in the case of school/college massacres in particular, extremely rare. There really isn't a direct point of comparison there. Those are two completely different forms of violence.

As are targeted assassinations (usually killings of 1-3 people at a time, as opposed to massacres), which are not the main subject of this discussion.

It's hard to find incidents in which more than 5 to 10 people, at most, are killed at a time. The vast majority of massacres involve relatively few victims, often no more than 3-5 individuals. Most of them also occur in the underpopulated countryside, not in the cities where most of the population lives. And needless to say, the culprits are overwhelmingly professional fighters/killers, not mentally unstable young men with otherwise "normal" lives. The CERAC analysis of AI/HRW reports talks a bit about massacres in Colombia, for anyone wanting to see a few statistics, as do other documents available on their website.

I must disagree with Mr. Hollywood's reply to Kat 1, because not everyone who is mentally unstable in Colombia can choose to join illegal groups. We also have angry, depressed high school or college students here. It's a stretch to assume that they will automatically choose to join violent groups. Joining those "outlets" is an option, which some of them may indeed exercise, but it isn't as easy to make as the reply makes it sound.

In particular when you consider that such individuals are often impatient loners, not wishing to associate with the world at large, nor to go through the often complicated process of joining any kind of illegal organization. It's not like simply signing a form and you're in, you know...a lot of other things may be demanded before you are even worthy of trust, going by the stories of demobilized individuals. Someone who justs wants to immediately lash out at the world probably isn't going to stick around for long.

Then again, this is only my view. Since there are few studies about the matter, most of what we are talking about are merely our mutual interpretations, but little else. I'd like to see a serious study (or series of studies) about how most Colombian students handle depression, and what role (if any) does violence (both deadly and not) play, and so forth. Otherwise, we can only exchange opinions all day and night...

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aztec says on Apr 18, 2007, 11:34:

First it was Johnny Muhammad, now it was Cho Sueng Hui aka Ismai "Precisely how many mass shooters have to turn out to have adopted Muslim names before we get it? Islam has become the tribe of choice of those who hate American society."

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=041807B

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 18, 2007, 12:46:

No real rural living left? Excuse me, there is plenty of REAL rural living left, maybe you just need to get out and experience it. As for Kat's sister, maybe she needs to move to someplace else. I assure you that there are places where everyone knows everyone and yes, they know all your business too. Some people like the anonymity of a big city so small town life is not for everyone. We even have some swingers in our little town but everyone knows who they are and who they swing with. In Utopia I could name everyone who lived within a five mile radius of me not to mention their dogs and describe their pickup trucks.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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aztec says on Apr 18, 2007, 12:57:

not like there is any REAL rural living left in the US really Come on there is plenty of land that the sophisticated New Yorker refers to as fly over country. You have innocently and unknowingly pushed a button that irritates at least half of the USA.

Most of urban USA has no real understanding of the "other America". You see this prejudice every day in the major news outlets.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 18, 2007, 13:03:

Utopia she moved to Lxington Kentucky and it didn't get any better, and now she move to a rural area were she is learning to talk to the birds.

people keep themselve to themselve....maybe in your town is different but what i said is not matter how populate it is is how caring they are towards the comunity, when she used to lived in lexington the neighbours new she was on her own, she sat there outside with her kids watching them play and hardly anyone was out or came for a chat, the only ones were two Irish guys. the only friend she has was the ones from the college. she has a friend and she knows how hard is for her living in that rural area, and that she doesn't have many friends, yet she never ever comes to see how is she.or invited her with the kids out, she has two kids the same age as my sister oldest kid. this never ever happened to me in the UK.

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bostonmickey says on Apr 18, 2007, 13:15:

It's a copycat world Unfortunately, since Columbine--and to a certain extent before-- there have been too many of these in school attacks, massacres, suicides. Depressed, lonely individuals see a way to inflict more pain and suffering upon their world before ending it all. It seems to be some sort of morbid suicidal tendency that has been repeated all too frequently whereby individuals want to spread the pain before offing himself--and it does seem to be a male thing. This Cho kid--American raised--wanted to commit suicide in a way has become common thanks to intense media coverage of previous massacres. The media is not reponsible, but sick people will copy what they see so frequently on TV.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 18, 2007, 13:44:

Not that this should come as news but I totally agree with Elmo. The problem in the US is the suburbs, NOT the cities (except that cities breed suburbs). The souless car culture of suburban USA is totally corrosive to ANYONE's well-being. Combine with the general disgruntlement of puberty and high-school and it's a wonder there's not a school massacre every day. I also think the "zero-tolerance" culture of US education has some blame to carry, as it has a tendency to label kids as either good or bad and then the die is cast with little hope of trancending it.

But the suburbs do not = American culture. I've lived in GREAT communities in the biggest cities in the US as well as in small rural towns.

In terms of the fundamental basis for a topic in a Colombia forum pointing out that Colombia isn't the ONLY place with violence, well, I think that says it all about Colombia's own bad self-image. "Look! We're not the only place where people die in droves!"

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 18, 2007, 13:52:

Rural living? I won't argue with your chosen definition of "rural" but no way are 1/2 of the word's people living in those conditions. Even in Colombia, WAY less than 1/2 the people even come close to that lifestyle. When you look where the majority of the world population is clustered, it's really in mega-cities like Mumbai, Sao Paolo, Bejing or Mexico City. The few living that kind of rural lifestyle are by definition rare.

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getting better says on Apr 18, 2007, 14:14:

Biritsh FCO advice I am going to Virginia soon. I see the British Foreign and Commonwealth have not recommended not to travel there, so my travel insurance will be valid. But when I go to see some of the ProAves reserves in Norte de Santander, Antioquia and Nariño, it is invalid because of their advice. I don't care, the forests are so beautiful and full of birds and wildlife. But it is still a bit irritating.
htttp://www.ecotours.com.co

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 18, 2007, 14:36:

Comparing Murders? Sorry, DEAD IS DEAD no matter why it is done. Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 18, 2007, 16:09:

We had no TV or doctors. The nearest town with ANYTHING was five miles away. By anything I mean a general store with a gas station. The nearest supermarket or town with actual businesses was in Uvalde, almost 50 miles away.

Bummer for your sister, Kat. She needs to be in La Tierra de los Latinos down here where a stranger is a friend that you haven't met yet.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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juancegomez says on Apr 18, 2007, 16:55:

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 19, 2007, 00:21:

I never thought of "real rural living" as without electricity, water, TV, etc. I grew up in what I consider real rural living. To me, real rural living was what UC described. (UC, it looks like I am kissing your ass, but I strangely have agreed with most of what you have said over the past weeks) I grew up knowing everybody in my area. I knew their pets, their tractors, their pick-ups, etc. If you had a tractor break down, there would be 3 guys from up the road helping your dad fix it. It was being able to ride the horse or mini-bike 7 miles along the side of the road to your buddies, when you were 10, so you could sneak away and dip Skoal and shoot doves with your BB guns. Rural living to me was looking forward to the cold weather, because it meant deer hunting season. Rubito, you admit all the time you can't stand it out of NYC in the US. There is nothing wrong with that. But don't try and then comment as an authority on rural living in the US. It is just fly-over country to you. Like said above, a lot of people like the huge cities because of being able to remain anonymous. Country living and small town living usually means everybody knows everything about everybody. In that way, very similar to living in the barrio in Colombia.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 19, 2007, 06:23:

You got that right, Robert Jorge. The high school boys in Utopia used to take their hunting rifles and put them in the back of the school bus so they could hunt on the way home from school. THAT'S rural.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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seabass says on Apr 19, 2007, 07:37:

This sounds like a thread for DG/GIB...is he taking a self-inflicted time out?

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Robert Jorge says on Apr 19, 2007, 07:43:

I wasn't that rural! Damn.
I wasn't that rural! Damn.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 19, 2007, 10:38:

No, he had a thermal nuclear meltdown......RIP Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 19, 2007, 12:54:

Putting death numbers into perspective I was grimly fascinated by a front page Wall Street Journal article today about the hideous overcrowding on Mumbai's commuter trains and the terrible accidents that result. Get this: 3,404 people were killed in 2006 on or by the trains. That's 13 per weekday. Mostly people getting throw off of trains, under trains, or falling off the roof of trains, sometimes getting trampled by the rushing crowds getting on or off.

That's as many as die in all of Colombia in a year from the conflict. Or put another way, it only takes 2.5 days of Mumbai commuter trains to equal the worst school shooting in US history.

Personally, I'd rather take a bullet.

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seabass says on Apr 19, 2007, 13:07:

His next incarnation will probably be DIB - Don in Bogota!

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poco says on Apr 19, 2007, 19:05:

The BELT vrs. the BULL These kids that kill each other here in the good ol USA are mostly suburban upper middle class kids from the Bible belt. Not correct, you lose. 34 Non Bible Belt  16 Bible Belt

Geographic Location of School / University Murders.

42 Non Bible Belt - 19 Bible Belt - 23 Outside the U.S.

Primary and Elementary school killings.
May 18, 1927 Bath, Michigan, USA: School board member Andrew Kehoe, upset by a property tax for a new school building which caused the foreclosure of his farm, set up a series of explosions in the Bath elementary school. That morning he killed his wife and set his farm building on fire. While fire fighters were arriving at the farm, an explosion destroyed the north wing of the school. As people gathered outside the school, Kehoe drove up and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle. During the rescue efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school's south wing. The bombings constituted the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history, claiming more than three times as many victims as the Columbine High School massacre.

June 11, 1964 Köln-Volkhoven, Cologne,Germany:.Armed with a insecticide sprayer converted into a flamethrower, a pike and a homebuild mace, 42-year-old Walter Seifert entered the Katholischen Volksschule and opened fire on the girls playing in the courtyard. He then knocked in classroom windows with his mace and fired inside. Teacher Ursula Kuhr, who tried to prevent him from entering her classroom, was stabbed to death with the pike. Eight children and two teachers died, twenty children and two teachers survived with very severe burns.

January 29, 1979 San Diego, California, USA Armed with a .22 rifle she had been given for Christmas, 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer opened fire at Cleveland Elementary School. She wounded eight children and one police officer and killed two adults. When the six-hour incident ended, she was asked of her motive for the killing, to which she shrugged and replied "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." Soon after, the Dublin punk band Boomtown Rats wrote the song "I Don't Like Mondays" which was based on the incident.

January 20, 1983, St. Lewis Missouri, USA: During a study hall period at Parway South Junior High school, eighth grader David F. Lawler used two pistols to kill a fifteen-year-old classmate and severely wound another before turning the guns on himself.

May 20, 1988 Winnetka, Illinois, USA 30-year-old Laurie Dann walked into a second grade classroom at Hubbard Woods Elementary School carrying three pistols and began shooting children, killing eight-year-old Nicholas Corwin and wounding five others before fleeing. She entered a nearby house where she shot and wounded a 20-year-old man before killing herself.

September 26, 1988 Greenwood, South Carolina, USA: 19 year old James Wilson opened fire at Oakland Elementary School, killing two eight year old girls and wounding nine others, seven of whom were children. He had been taking several psychiatric drugs at the time, including Valium, Halcion, and Xanax.

March 13, 1996 Dunblane, Scotland, United Kingdom: Unemployed former shopkeeper and Scout leader Thomas Hamilton walked into Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm Browning HP pistols and two Smith and Wesson .357 revolvers. He was carrying 743 cartridges. The subsequent police investigation revealed that Hamilton had loaded the magazines for his Browning with an alternating combination of fully metal jacketed and hollow point ammunition. This event is known as the Dunblane Massacre, and led to the banning of handguns in the UK with the Firearms Act 1997.

February 29, 2000 Mount Morris Township, Michigan, USA Armed with a .32 pistol he had stolen from his uncle's house, 6 year old Dedrick Owens fatally shot Kayla Rolland in the neck. This story is featured in the 2002 documentary Bowling for Columbine.

June 8, 2001 Ikeda, Osaka, Japan: Armed with a kitchen knife, a 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma intruded into Ikeda Elementary School attached to Osaka-Kyoiku University and stubbed school children and teachers. 8 children were killed and 13 children and 2 teachers were wounded.

June 1, 2004 Sasebo, Japan: An 11-year-old girl fatally slashed classmate Satomi Mitarai at Okubo Elementary School. This led to the creation of the Nevada-tan Internet phenomenon.

September 1, 2004 Beslan, North Ossetia, Russian Federation: The Beslan school hostage crisis (also referred to as the Beslan school siege or Beslan Massacre) began when the group of Muslim pro-Chechen armed rebels took more than 1,200 school children and adults hostage on September 1, 2004, at School Number One (SNO) in the town of Beslan, North Ossetia (an autonomous republic in the Caucasus region of the Russian Federation). On the third day of the standoff, gunfire broke out between the hostage-takers and Russian security forces. Government reports state that 344 civilians were killed, including 186 children; hundreds more were wounded. Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev took responsibility for the hostage taking, which was led by his Ingush deputy Magomet Yevloyev.

October 3, 2006, PARADISE, Pennsylvania, USA: A heavily armed truck driver who was prepared for a long standoff barricaded himself in a one-room Amish schoolhouse Monday, killing five girls execution-style before killing himself. Six other girls were bound and critically wounded in the attack, which police said appeared to be a revenge killing for an unspecified incident that occurred when the gunman was a boy.

Dec 1, 2006 Hoogerheide, The Netherlands: A 22-year-old male fatally stabbed a 8-year-old boy in the neck at a primary school. There is no family relationship between the victim and his killer.

Secondary and Post-secondary school killings

August 1, 1966 Austin, Texas, USA Charles Whitman pointed a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and began shooting in a homicidal rampage that went on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people were killed, 31 wounded.

December 30, 1974 Olean, New York, USA 18-year-old honor student Anthony Barbaro blockaded himself into a third story classroom at his high school and opened fire on those below, killing three people and wounding eleven. He later hanged himself while awaiting trial. A drama was written about the incident entitled Sniper.

May 28, 1975 Brampton, Ontario, Canada Centennial Secondary School massacre. Michael Slobodian, 16, killed a teacher and student and wounded 13 others at Brampton Centennial Secondary School in Brampton, Ont., before shooting himself.

October 27, 1975 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada St. Pius X High School massacre. 18-year-old Robert Poulin opened fire on his class at St. Pius X High School, killing one and wounding five before turning the gun on himself. Poulin had raped and stabbed his 17-year-old friend Kim Rabot to death prior to the incident. A book was written on the incident called Rape Of A Normal Mind

April 5, 1982 Hot Springs, Arkansas, USA Kelvin Love, a student at Garland County Community College, killed an instructor and another student.

December 17, 1983, Ithaca, New York USA: Non-student Su Yong Kim enters the Low Rise 7 dormitory and kills Cornell University freshmen Young Hee Suh and Erin Nieswand with a rifle.

January 21, 1985, Kansas, USA: Armed with an M-1A Semi-Automatic Rifle and a .357 Pistol, 14 year old James Kearbey fatally shot his principal and wounded 3 other teachers and a student at Goddard Junior High School.

March 2, 1987 Missouri, USA After constant teasing and humiliation about his weight, Nathan Ferris armed himself with a pistol and killed a fellow student after he bullied him in class. He then turned the gun on himself.

December 6, 1989 Montreal, Canada Marc Lépine took a hunting rifle into École Polytechnique de Montréal, killed 14 women, wounded four men and ten women before committing suicide.

November 1, 1991 Iowa City, Iowa, USA: After his dissertation did not win a certain academic award, Ph.D. physics student Gang Lu shot six people before committing suicide. Five were killed, including three professors. A student employee was paralyzed.

May 1, 1992 Olivehurst, California, USA: Armed with a pistol, 20-year-old Eric Houston took hostages at his former high school, killing four people and wounding 10. His motive was his inability to find a good job due to the fact that he had failed a grade at school. He was given the death penalty for the shooting. The 1994 Hostage High is directly based on the shooting.

August 24, 1992 Montreal, Quebec, Canada Former professor Dr. Valery Fabrikant went on a shooting rampage at Montreal's Concordia University killing four.

December 14, 1992 Great Barrington, Massachusetts, USA Armed with a SKS carbine, 18-year-old Simon's Rock College of Bard student Wayne Lo killed a professor and a student and wounded several others. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment without parole.

January 18, 1993 Grayson, Kentucky, USA 17-year-old East Carter High School student Scott Pennington fatally shot his English teacher and a school janitor with a pistol.

March 28, 1994. Middlesbrough, Teesside, UK: Stephen Wilkinson walked into Middlesbrough’s Hall Garth School and stabbed 12 year old Nikki Conroy to death.

September 21, 1995 Rochester, New York, USA:  13-year-old Stephne Givens was fatally stabbed at Jefferson Middle School by a fellow student.

November 15, 1995, Lynnville, Tennessee, USA: Armed with a .22 Remington Viper, 17-year-old Jamie Rouse walked into the Richland School and shot two teachers in the head, killing one. He then fired at the football coach, but hit a 14-year-old freshman in the neck, wounding her.

February 2, 1996 Moses Lake, Washington, USA Armed with a high-powered hunting rifle and two handguns, 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis killed his algebra teacher and two students before taking hostages. He also shot a girl in the arm, who he released during the hostage situation. The incident ended when a teacher burst into the room and tackled him. Loukaitis is now serving life in prison.

February 2, 1996 Atlanta, Georgia, USA 12-year-old David Dubose killed a teacher in the hallway of his school with a pistol.

August 15, 1996 San Diego State University, USA: 3 dead. Frederick M. Davidson, a 36-year-old graduate student in engineering, shot and killed three professors while defending his thesis.

September 17, 1996 University Park, Pennsylvania, USA In the Hetzel Union Building shooting at The Pennsylvania State University, 19 year old Jillian Robbins opened fire on students walking to classes, killing one student and wounding another.

October 16, 1996, West Lafayette, Indiana, USA: On October 15, 1996 Jay Severson, 27 a Wiley Hall counselor at Purdue University caught Jarrod Allen Eskew, 19 of Crawfordsville, Indiana cutting cocaine in his dorm room. Severson called the Purdue Police Department but when they arrived Eskew had fled. Eskew returned the next day at 2:50 pm with a sawed off 12-gauge shotgun while under the influence of both marijuana and cocaine. Eskew went to Severson's Wiley Hall dorm room and fatally shot Severson in the head. He then barricaded himself in his third floor dorm room. A janitor found the body a short time later. SWAT and police took up positions around Wiley Hall. Police evacuated Wiley Hall, attempted to negotiate, fired tear gas, and stormed the room to find Eskew had taken his own life with the shotgun.

January 27, 1997 West Palm Beach, Florida, USA 13-year-old Tronneal Magnum shot and killed another student in front of his school.

February 19, 1997 Bethel, Alaska, USA Armed with a pump-action 12 gauge shotgun, Evan Ramsey killed a student and the principal of Bethel High School, and wounded two others. He is now serving a 210 year sentence.

October 1, 1997 Pearl, Mississippi, USA: 16 year old Luke Woodham stabbed and beat his mother to death, then took a lever-action rifle to Pearl High School where he shot into a crowd of students, killing his ex-girlfriend Christina Menefee and her friend Lydia Kay Dew and wounded seven other students. Woodham later claimed that he did not remember killing his mother.

December 2, 1997 West Paducah, Kentucky, USA: A 14-year old high school freshman opened fire on a prayer circle at his school killing three students and injuring five.

March 24, 1998 Jonesboro, Arkansas, USA: 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson and 11-year-old Andrew Golden set off the fire alarm in their Jonesboro school and then, from the woods, open fire on classmates and teachers as they flee the building. Four female students and a teacher are killed, with nine other students and a teacher being wounded.

April 24, 1998 Edinboro, Pennsylvania, USA: 14-year-old Andrew J. Wurst went to the school graduation dance where he shot and killed a popular science teacher. He subsequently opened fire on more students, wounding another teacher and two classmates before he ran out of ammunition.

May 19, 1998 Fayetteville, Tennessee, USA: Three days before graduation, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis fatally shot 18-year-old Nick Creson with a bolt action rifle. He then discarded the rifle and calmly watched Creson die.

May 21, 1998 Springfield, Oregon, USA: Kip Kinkel opened fire with a .22 rifle at Thurston Senior High School, killing 2 students and wounding 25 before being tackled by a wounded student. His parents were later found at home, murdered by Kinkel. He is now serving 111 years in prison without parole.

April 20, 1999 Littleton, Colorado, USA: Columbine High School Massacre. Two teenage students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, carried out a shooting rampage, killing 12 students and a teacher, as well as wounding 24 others, before committing suicide.

April 28, 1999 Taber, Alberta, Canada: W. R. Myers High School shooting. In both the first school shooting since Columbine and the first Canadian school shooting in over 10 years, Todd Cameron Smith brought a sawn-off .22 rifle to W.R Myers High School and shot two students, killing one.

October 20, 1999 Houston, Texas, USA: During a fight between 14-year-old Estanislao Balderas and 13-year-old Samuel Avila at Deady Middle School, Baldera produced a screwdriver and fatally stabbed Avila with it.

November 9, 1999 Meissen, Germany: A 15-year-old student stabbed his teacher to death after taking bets from classmates that he would not dare to commit the crime. He was later jailed for seven years.

November 20, 1999 Deming, New Mexico, USA: A boy shot 13-year-old Aralecy Tena in the back of the head with a handgun at Deming Middle School. Tena died after being taken off of life support.

March 16, 2000 Brannenburg, Bavaria, Germany: A 16 year old student fatally shot a teacher and then turned the handgun on himself but survived, and has been in a coma ever since.

May 26, 2000 Lake Worth, Florida, USA: 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill shot his English teacher, 35-year-old Barry Grunow at Lake Worth Middle School, in the face on the last day of school.

August 28, 2000 University of Arkansas at Fayetteville, USA:2 dead, including the gunman. James E. Kelly, a 36-year-old graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program, shot and killed the professor overseeing his work before killing himself.

March 5, 2001 Santee, California, USA: Armed with .22 revolver, 15-year-old Charles Andrew Williams opened fire in a boy's bathroom at Santana High School, killing two students. He then exited the bathroom and shot at nearby students, wounding 13. Shortly afterwards he retreated back into the toilets where he surrendered to police.

January 16, 2002 Grundy, Virginia, USA: Appalachian School of Law shooting. 43-year-old Appalachian School of Law student Peter Odighizuwa shot and killed the Law School Dean, Contracts Professor and another student. Several students were able to subdue him. He was sentenced to multiple life terms in prison. Peter 'O' was a Nigerian student attending the school on a student visa. The school later settled a lawsuit by some of the surviving victims and their families brought over the schools failure to take action when the student showed signs of psychosis and made threats.

April 26, 2002 Erfurt, Germany: A 19 year old expelled student opened fire at the Gutenberg-Gymnasium in Erfurt, After killing 13 teachers, two students and a police officer, he committed suicide.

April 29, 2002 Vlasenica, Bosnia and Herzegovina: Armed with a 7.65mm pistol, 17-year-old Dragoslav Petkovic killed his history teacher because he was sure that the teacher did not like him and would give him a failing grade. He then shot another teacher in front of the whole classroom, wounding her lightly, before committing suicide.

October 21, 2002 Melbourne, Australia: Monash University shooting. Huan Xiang, a commerce student at the university, armed with five loaded handguns, opened fire in a tutorial room. Two students, William Wu and Steven Chan, were killed and others seriously wounded. Xiang was found not guilty of murder due to mental illness, and was ordered to be sent to a psychiatric hospital.

October 28, 2002, Tucson, Arizona, USA: Three nursing professors are shot dead at the University of Arizona by a student failing the nursing program. Robert J. Flores, Jr., 41, shot and killed Robin Rogers, 50, Barbara Monroe, 45, and Cheryl McGaffic, 44 before turning the gun on himself. Two of the teachers were shot in a classroom and the gunman allowed the students to leave before killing himself.

April 14, 2003 New Orleans, Louisiana, USA: At 10:30 AM, several men armed with an AK-47 entered the school gymnasium of John McDonogh High School and executed Jonathan "Caveman" Williams, a football player. The killers fired at least 18 times, shattering Williams' face and injuring three neighboring girls. A stampede of students trampled a pregnant girl.

April 24, 2003 Red Lion, Pennsylvania, USA: Red Lion Area Junior High School Murder/Suicide. 14-year-old James Sheets fatally shot his school principal in the cafeteria of his middle school before committing suicide.

May 9, 2003 Cleveland, Ohio, USA: Biswanath Halder, a 62-year-old man, opened fire with an automatic weapon on his former school, Case Western Reserve University. He killed one student, seriously wounded two others, and kept over 90 people hiding for their lives for seven hours. After vigorous and bullet-ridden gun battles with school police and SWAT officers, Halder surrendered and was sentenced to life in prison.

September 24, 2003 Cold Spring, Minnesota, USA: Rocori High School shooting. 15-year-old Jason McLaughlin shot Aaron Rollins and Seth Bartell at Rocori High School with a .22 pistol. Rollins died the same day; Bartell died October 10 of injuries sustained in the attack.

January 13, 2004 Den Haag, The Netherlands: Murat D. killed Hans van Wieren, a 49-year-old teacher at Terra College.

February 2, 2004 Washington, D.C., USA: 19 year old Thomas J. Boykin fatally shot 17 year old James Richardson at Ballou Senior High School. Boykin was later acquitted on the charge of murder.

February 3, 2004 Palmetto Bay, Florida, USA: 14-year old Michael Hernandez stabbed and slit the throat of 14-year-old classmate, Jaime Rodrigo Gough, while in a restroom at Southwood Middle School. Hernandez was tried as an adult, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. A search of his home revealed he had concocted plans to murder several classmates and even his older sister. His journal revealed he was obsessed with perfection, and admired Hitler and the Nazis.

March 30, 2004 Gary, Indiana, USA: Neal Boyd IV was fatally shot in the parking lot of Wallace High School by a fellow student.

August 4, 2004 Beijing, China: Xu Heping, a 51-year-old doorman with a history of mental illness, stabbed several students and teachers in Beijing University's Number One Hospital, killing a child and wounding 17 others, 14 of whom were children.

September 28, 2004 Carmen de Patagones, Buenos Aires Province, Argentina: Armed with his father's 9mm pistol, a 15-year-old boy opened fire on his classmates during a flag-hoisting, killing 3 students and wounding 5 others.

November 26, 2004 Ruzhou, China: With no apparent motive, an intruder stabbed eight students to death and injured four others at Ruzhou's Number Two High School in the sixth such incident in China in the past four months.

January 4, 2005 Denver, Colorado, USA: A 17-year old student, Contrell Townsend, was stabbed to death by his classmate after engaging in a heated argument with him.

March 21, 2005, Red Lake, Minnesota, USA: Jeffrey Weise, a student at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Beltrami County, Minnesota, killed seven people including a teacher and a security guard.

November 8, 2005 Jacksboro, Tennessee, USA: After reports that a freshman had a handgun, the principal and two assistant principals confronted student Kenneth Bartley Jr., who opened fire on them, killing one of the assistant principals and wounding the two others.

June 25, 2006 Los Angeles, California, USA: Augustine Contreras, an 11th grader at Venice High School, died outside of the school. Contreras intervened in a fight between his brother, Alejo Contreras, and some unidentified men when he fatally took a bullet. The victim lived in Culver City.

September 2, 2006 Washington D.C. Shepherd University USA:3 dead, including the gunman. Douglas W. Pennington shot and killed his two sons, who were seniors at the university, and then himself.

September 13, 2006 Montreal, Quebec, Canada: The Dawson College shooting occurred on September 13, 2006 at Dawson College, a CEGEP in Westmount near downtown Montreal, Quebec, Canada. The perpetrator, Kimveer Gill, began shooting outside the de Maisonneuve Boulevard entrance to the school, and moved towards the atrium by the cafeteria on the main floor. One victim died at the scene, while another 19 were injured, eight of whom were listed in critical condition with six requiring surgery. The gunman later committed suicide by shooting himself in the head, after being shot in the arm by police.

September 27, 2006, Bailey, Colorado, USA: A gunman, later identified as 53-year-old Duane Morrison of Denver, took six female students hostage at Platte Canyon High School. After sexually assaulting some of them, he released four of the hostages. When 16-year-old Emily Keyes tried to run away, Morrison shot her in the back of the head before killing himself. Keyes was flown to St. Anthony Central Hospital in Denver, where she died a short time later.

September 29, 2006 Cazenovia, Wisconsin, USA: Weston High School shooting. 15-year-old Eric Hainstock shoots his high school principal, who then managed to wrestle Hainstock to the ground. The principal died later in hospital from multiple gunshot wounds.

October 19, 2006 Orlando, Florida USA: 17-year-old Kelvin De La Cruz stabs 15-year-old Michael Nieves in the chest with a pocket knife at a school bus stop of the Main Campus at University High School. After he stabbed him, Cruz hid under the bus and attempted to change his clothes, but was apprehended and charged with first-degree murder. Nieves died two hours later after being stabbed.

December 12, 2006 Springfield, Pennsylvania USA: Early Tuesday morning at Springfield High School, 16-year-old Shane Halligan fatally shoots self with a rifle in a school hallway. No one else was hurt.

January 3, 2007 Tacoma, Washington USA: A student identified as Douglas Chanthabouly, 18, shot 17-year-old Samnang Kok just before classes began at Henry Foss High School. Kok died at a local hospital. Chanthabouly fled the scene and was apprehended in a nearby neighborhood two hours later.

January 26, 2007 Uninc. Los Angeles County, California USA: Gang members entered Drew Middle School and opened fire. A 23-year old visitor named Demetrius Perry died.

March 7, 2007 Outside Dow High School in Midland, Michigan USA: 17-year old David Turner shot 17-year old Jessica Forsyth four times before killing himself in the parking lot.

March 7, 2007 Greenville, Texas USA: A 16-year-old student fatally shot himself inside the band hall at Greenville High School.

March 18, 2007 Sabayoi, Thailand: A number of attackers threw explosives and fired numerous bullets at an Islamic school killing 3 teens and injured 7 others who were sleeping.
 

April 16, 2007 Blacksburg, Virginia, USA:

The Virginia Tech massacre was single most deadly civilian gunfire incident in United States history. It occurred at the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. Thirty-three people were killed including the gunman in two separate locations: the West Ambler Johnston Hall where two were shot dead and Norris Hall where the remaining 31, including the gunman, were shot. Over 20 others were injured in the violence that lasted over 2 hours.

Honorable Mention

March 25, 1994, Atlanta Georgia, USA: Brian Head, 15, shot and killed himself during his high school economics class at Etowah High School. Head had been a longtime target for bullies because of his weight and thick glasses. His father, Bill, subsequently successfully lobbied for a law that criminalized bullying and required schools to alert parents of bullied children.

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 19, 2007, 19:37:

That's an impressive list of mayhem. Of course everything is well documented by the demented media here. Elsewhere I am sure a lot of killing goes unnoticed by anyone except immediate family members.

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poco says on Apr 19, 2007, 19:47:

This isn't all That's an impressive list of mayhem

I made a web page out of this. Ha,, I know lots of folks that love to read this stuff. Next I'll have a section with the names of the "Perps".

I didn't include Colombia students because there weren't any killed on the school "turf". However about 15, maybe more were killed in the last year.

When Colombians kill someone they aren't thinking about dying for their cause and that's what I like the people.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 19, 2007, 20:19:

One thing I just re-watched "La Sierra". One universal in that movie is that the AUC "kids" all joined the "guerra" at about the age of 15 and all said they dropped out of secondary school because it became "too dangerous" to continue attending because of the presence of opposing groups.

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rocinante says on Apr 19, 2007, 20:53:

Rubi You need to get out of the US NOW! You're on the verge of a homicidal panic and I'm right behind you. Let's rob a bank and meet at JFK after the heist. I got half a bottle of scotch and 37,000 frequent flier miles saved up. What say you?

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Miguel_Clavo says on Apr 19, 2007, 21:53:

I dont know about anyone else, Poco, but that has got to be just about the ugliest post i have ever seen here on PBH...and i am not talking about the content, either!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer...Colombia es pasión!

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juancegomez says on Apr 20, 2007, 11:46:

Mr. Hollywood "I just re-watched "La Sierra". One universal in that movie is that the AUC "kids" all joined the "guerra" at about the age of 15 and all said they dropped out of secondary school because it became "too dangerous" to continue attending because of the presence of opposing groups."

Though I don't have the movie handy so I can't re-watch it myself...

Given the context of the events in "La Sierra", most of them were probably talking about public schools somewhere in and around that poor neighborhood / series of neighborhoods several years ago (5, 7, 9 or more?).

Around that time, the neighborhood was still hotly disputed between guerrillas, paracos and their affiliated gangs, so it's reasonable to assume that children of the militiamen, and/or young militiamen themselves, were present at those schools.

That said, like most of the violence portrayed in the movie, the danger probably consisted mostly of gang-like violence and individual murder, which may indeed make it too dangerous to stay in a certain area (independently of whether the deadliest violence actually happens at school or just "at the gates"), but not outright massacres.

Then again, though the movie only tangentially addresses this, the particular situation of "la Comuna 13" and its surroundings was relatively exceptional, in the grand scheme of things. Most of the violence related to the armed conflict has different characteristics from those portrayed (rural rather than urban), even if some common factors may still be present.

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