Hello ,

I'd like to know about the ethnic structure of Medellin. Is it Mestizo or is it white ?

thanks ,

Posted on August 24, 2009


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Define white. My wife thinks she's white but she is clearly part Native American judging from her jet black hair.

Posted on August 24, 2009


The ethnographic makeup of the city is:
White Spanish, Jewish, Arabic, other European: 70%
Mestizo Mix of Spanish, African, and Indigenous: 20%
Afro-Colombian: 6.5%
Indigenous: 0.1%
During the 17th and 18th centuries, Medellín received many immigrants from Spain, and some forced immigration from West Africa. Most Indigenous peoples died from the introduction of European diseases, and many of those who survived intermarried with early Spanish settlers, who were mostly men; later, Spanish women also began to immigrate. During the 19th century, immigrants arrived from Lebanon, Jordan, Germany, and Portugal. Many people from Medellín are referred to as Paisas, people of mainly Spanish ancestry, mixed with African and Indigenous blood. There is a small Afro-Colombian and Zambo-Colombian (people of Indigenous and African descent) population .
The Chocó Department is just west of Antioquia, and is home to many Afro-Colombian and Zambo-Colombian migrants to Medellín and its vicinity. Migration from the Colombian Caribbean coast has been important, especially that of young people who come to study in Medellín universities and remain to work in the city. The main foreign immigration is of Ecuadorians in informal trade.

-- according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medellín#Ethnicities

Posted on August 24, 2009


nah, theres loads of darkies in Medellin.

Posted on August 24, 2009


With mestizo , I meant the mixed race ....People say the mixed race rules in medellin , but some other source like above say 70% are white . So , in which to believe ?

Posted on August 24, 2009


Correct me if I am wrong but I think the majority are Meztisos, I read once that the city with most white people, believe it or not was Bucaramanga. I really dunno

Posted on August 24, 2009


Medellin, Colombia is well-regarded as one of the most modern, beautiful, and industrious cities in Latin America. "Coincidentally", it happens to be one of the whitest Latin American cities, as well.The city is roughly 80% white, with the remainder being light mestizos(people who are of predominantly European ancestry, with about 20-30% Amerindian admixture).

from http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=147071

Posted on August 24, 2009


When in doubt, ask the CIA

ethnic groups:

mestizo 58%, white 20%, mulatto 14%, black 4%, mixed black-Amerindian 3%, Amerindian 1%

Posted on August 24, 2009


in medallo it's 99% white

Posted on August 24, 2009


"in medallo it's 99% white"



Yeah? But all of that will probably change when you take your first step out of Poblado..

Posted on August 24, 2009


Medellin is very mixed, the problem is you dont see it as much because Medellin is very segragated, lights with the lights, negros tend to stay with the negros, so if you tend to stay in the lighter areas, all you will see will be whites.. You can throw all of that out of the window the minute you take a stroll in el centro.. there you should be able to catch a healthy jist of the racial component in Medellin, a little of everything.

Posted on August 24, 2009


They certainly think they are all white.My sister in law recently married a lovely guy who is a little darker,the witches coven of abuelas and tias though the world was going to stop!

Posted on August 24, 2009


A white percentage of 70% is too much for a city that has long battled towards crime and homicides for two decades. I guess , some of the whites fled away during the chaos years. If not so , why is there a big paisa community out of the country? The Brain-drain thing is something that the city has been suffering ....

Posted on August 24, 2009


PCL you wrote :"in medallo it's 99% white"
Yeah? But all of that will probably change when you take your first step out of Poblado..

HOW TRUE !!! Why Gringos segregate themself in El Poblado I really dont know !!!

Zoltar
P.S. Do NOT tell me that its safe,bla blabla, they will rob you MORE in el poblado because THEY KNOW that you are rich since you live there !!

Posted on August 24, 2009


Interesting thread Gattito. I think that some people in latin America get caught up in this and they dont want to admit that they might be part Indio because to them Indios indicate a lower status or lack of education etc. From our end its the exact opposite, as we assume that anyone with dark hair is a "Mestizo" but really if you see many Spaniards, you'll see darker hair and light skin just like many of the Colombians you meet. So they deny sometimes erroneuosly and we assume erroneously. Funny.

Posted on August 24, 2009


"just back from the parque having my coffee...my poll, Florida Nueva...5% Caucasian...none gringo's...except for me..."

Yea, for Azunoman!!

Posted on August 24, 2009


Well if your a LOCAL THEY WOULD SAY MEDELLIN IS FULL OF BLACK PEOPLE, or lleno de negros. However, keep in mind these phrases are used quite openly, unlike the states. you can get thrown back at first by the use of these phrases. Which in no way means people uses these phrases with hate.

However, if your a gringo you would say Medellin is full of white people. What i consider black, and most of friends is very different. Someone here thats black, or Moreno, is really mixed. However thats all the elitest or upper class need to see to be racist. Medellin is a very classist society, and as a gringo you wont notice that unless your hanging out with some upperclass or young university kids at EAFIT.

If a person here is a bit darker than the rest of the population they refer to them as being black. Thats just what i have noticed living here. Black to the locals just means darker than the other colombians, not necisarily the darkest skin.

Im not racist at all, and i have alot of friends from all types of ehtnic backgrounds. From what i have noticed in colombia the problems here are more CLASSIST / ELITIST prejudices derived from what social class and what neighborhood you live in.

Interesting enough i was taken back at first by people calling each other blackie and whitie, (negro y mono), but its actually quite normal for people to say this to strangers in the street.

Posted on August 24, 2009


In Colombia people call me Mona, Negrita, cachaca ( when I am on the coast) . costeña ( when I am in Bogota) , gringa ( cuz my husband)

I consider myself Mestiza, I have Spanish, indian and Arab Blood.

Posted on August 24, 2009


In terms of "milky European whites", I think the population is very low.
A very high percentage has at least slightly coffee-brown skin and black hair.
My wife and many others have features which appear slightly indigenous too.
This mixing of the genes leads to their fascinating attractiveness/beauty and probably means that they are stronger and more likely to survive than us "whities" in this and other environments.

Posted on August 24, 2009


White should probably mean from european descent. For sure the people in medellin are not as white as in central Europe. A european would probably regard a so-called "white paisa" as "brown-skinned". What I regard as brown-skinned is often "blanco" for a colombian, especially on the coast. My gf has tanned skin...far from white; but she says she's "blanca". And I am "blanco" as well for her although everyone here in Europe thinks I'm a foreigner from LatAm or an arabic country.

Posted on August 24, 2009


Kat you sound like the Phillipinas I know who maybe generations ago have one drop of Spanish blood in them from an occupation.. I ask them "where are you from?" they say "I was born in the Phillipines but im from Spain"... jajjajajajaj lol

Posted on August 24, 2009


My mother-in-law has very white skin but with Hispanic features. She once asked me "do you think I look English". My answer, a firm NO. This woman has the cheek to have racist tendancies, approves of my whiteness but my wife is considered "the black sheep", not because of her actions but because of her appearance, due to the slight olive complection.

Posted on August 24, 2009


I'm sure a lot of people honestly think they are European but have some indigenous blood. Others consider themselves white knowing that they aren't.

This happened to me in Canada. My Grandmother was ashamed of being part indigenous and even my mother didn't know until a few years ago.

Many surveys ask people what their race is and expect that they will answer honestly.

Posted on August 24, 2009


Do you mean color or ethnicity? If you are hispanic, your are not white. There is white, black, hispanic, aisian, and indian. Just because you might be fair skinned doesn't mean you are white. We just don't let anybody in the club:}

Posted on August 24, 2009


In the Phillipines, they usually consider you about 4 things ethnically, Spanish, Chinese, Local, or Gringo White. These terms are not used exactly, but that's how things go. They have two provinces on the Island of Negros. The locals there were the indigeneous landless class. The island was called Negros, since the locals had dark complexion. The Spanish were the landowners and white. The Chinese are the business people, while the American White mixed ones are the latest bunch.

My ex father in law from there made sure I took pictures of his niece that was Spanish looking. He was half Spanish and Chinese himself, while his wife was of local indigenous blood.

I tell my wife from Cali that looks Italian or Spanish to people in the US that she would be treated as movie star there. Just those light skinned with Spanish blood get to be on their local TV or other media.

I would say that the Paisas that I have seen makes me think a bunch of Germans sure showed up there! I think it is sort of how things are in Argentina. An Argentine friend of mine in the USA only had grandparents that were born in Europe. Colombian Paisas may have had an older genealogy tree in Colombia, but I think with racism present most whites had married whites. I am presuming 5 generations present since being in Europe.

I think it might be interesting to know more about Colombian immigration history, but my poor Spanish does not allow for me to research it more easily.

Posted on August 24, 2009


well the botttom line is, it depends on what your definition of "is", "is". to say it's white...........hummmmm, nah. not like switzerland white, so what to these charts mean by 'white' because medallo's not. period. since day one, twenty years ago, i could see, feel, etc that it's one of the biggest melting pots ive been to and lived in. and in my own humble op, they do the mix pretty well.....(you're right Kat...negrita!) and so is damn near everyone else, even the standard barers who proclaim their pure 'blue' blood from the continent and wretch at the thought of being 'mixed', are mixed, whether they like it or not.

it's really bloody time these sillies get used to it, they're black, white, yellow, brown, mellow folk and there's nothing wrong with that. the afro bloods who've mixed with the continentals--not the dariens, chocoans, etc--aren't BLACK, like negros, but a mello brownish, whitish, black. if you're standing on the street in medellin you know what i'm saying and all this makes sense, if you're just reading the CIA field manuel, none of it makes sense. go down town, you'll know, and you wont have to post a querie on pbh.
d

NB......even i can't pass for white, and i'm white....i think. hell, who knows who got into who's drawers, when?

Posted on August 24, 2009


tabla you are using the most racist website ever to proof any facts? i hope you dont frequent that website.

greg17 hispanic is not a race, hispanic is a language just like latin is a language too, otherwise you are not white or brown? maybe you are english along with the jamaicans and all the south africans too because you all share the same language.....get my point? your language doesnt make you white or brown or blue, just look at el Choco......

Posted on August 24, 2009


I just clicked the link, Its a KKK aryan nation website,,, jajajjajajaja I wonder if its biased? lol

Posted on August 24, 2009


Hispanic the term used by the U.S. Census Bureau and other government agenciesis, not a language. Thank you very much

Posted on August 24, 2009


nice one ken - i have a racist mother in law too. First thing she ever said to me was that she hates blacks because they smell.

Posted on August 24, 2009


Good point greg17; a common mistake by me too until I think about it! Thanks

Posted on August 24, 2009


Can we trust the CIA?

Who said there were WMD's in Iraq?
Liar, Liar!



Hispanic is a language? I have known that Latin and Spanish is taught in schools, but never Hispanic.

Where can I buy a book covering that language?

Posted on August 24, 2009


i thought i had a hispanic youngster..........my daughter's school has been lying all along. and immigration and the embassy. hmmmmm

Posted on August 24, 2009


Exactly you ever fill out a form and it ask you your race. Hispanic is one of the choices. I always check other and pencil in superior

Posted on August 24, 2009


a real melting pot, not medellin but this conversation thread....

as far as the KKK what how can they be biased??? Paisa/Calena/Luver what makes you say that?

Posted on August 24, 2009


Hispanic is NOT a race. Caucasian, African-American, Native American etc are races, Hispanics can be of ANY race. "Hispanic" is a CULTURE chracterized bya Latin-based language, Roman Catholic religion (roughly 95%), society and institutions derived from the Iberian Peninsula countries.
If the US Census Bureau uses this term as a racial definition they are blatantly wrong.

Posted on August 24, 2009


Cali, just by reading a few excerpts from that site they have a complete and total "if its not white, it isnt right attitude" So thats what i meant by being biased.

Posted on August 24, 2009


In Colombia we are not white but beige kind of off white :)

Posted on August 24, 2009


But then again, the Mediterranean people are much darker than we Northerners...yet they are white too.

Posted on August 24, 2009


I think the gringo racial definitions estan mandados a recoger outdated garbage.

Posted on August 24, 2009


A Spaniard is Caucasian, but a Spaniard born in Colombia would be Hispanic which is no race at all but a culture. A black Colombian stops being black the moment he immigrates to USA and becomes Hispanic" LOL

Posted on August 24, 2009


US population by race

Race alone or in combination with one or more other races Number Margin of Error

Black or African American 34,364,572 /-38,740
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 355,513 /-8,533
Some other race 777,679 /-27,100
Two or more races 4,034,425 /-47,061
White 192,615,561 /-24,069
Hispanic or Latino 41,870,703

Posted on August 24, 2009


im the darkest person in both my mothers and fathers family. both sides call me negro. :) jaja

Posted on August 24, 2009


A black Colombian stops being black the moment he immigrates to USA and becomes Hispanic" LOL

Tell that to a cab driver!

Posted on August 24, 2009


"Hispanic the term used by the U.S. Census Bureau and other government agenciesis, not a language. Thank you very much"

have you ever revised the actual % of whites in your country? about 15% of the whites listed there are hispanics, it says 80% of the population is white, 14% is black, 3% is mixed and 2% is asian.... where did all the 15% of hispanics go? does teh US has a 115% of population? can that be possible? btw no other single country on the face of this planet list hispanic as a race....are the indios in leticia hispanics too? or the blakcs in Choco?

Posted on August 24, 2009


"Hispanic is NOT a race. Caucasian, African-American, Native American etc are races, Hispanics can be of ANY race. "Hispanic" is a CULTURE chracterized bya Latin-based language, Roman Catholic religion (roughly 95%), society and institutions derived from the Iberian Peninsula countries.
If the US Census Bureau uses this term as a racial definition they are blatantly wrong."

well said desi

Posted on August 24, 2009


If most Colombians think they are white, they are wrong. The white Colombian population is approximately 25% of the total population.[80] Mestizo Colombians make up another 50% of the population.[24] White Colombians are mostly descendants of Spaniards, but some are also of Italians, Germans, British, French, Belgians, Irish, Portuguese, and from the Middle-East:Lebanese.

Posted on August 24, 2009


greg17 in Colombia yous top being white and now you are english along with all the jamaican dudes oh and the native australians who became english too.

now, if the US census bureau says that hispanic is a race, when you look at the CIA statistics chart for colombian racial make up it says 20% white 57% mixed 8% black 1% indians......does that mean we have no hispanics in Colombia at all?

btw if you marry a white woman from the US and bring her to Colombia and she gets pregnant and your kid is born in Colombia he wouldnt be white, he will be hispanic no matter what you say because the US census bureau says that....

dude look at what it says next to hispanic in any aplication form, it says HISPANICS CAN BE OF ANY RACE. and then next to white it says WHITE "NOT HISPANIC" and BLACK "NOT HISPANIC" the hispanic term is only used to determine how many people from Latin american countries are applying for the job and things like that.

now, in England i stop being hispanic again.......weird.

Posted on August 24, 2009


greg17 stop using wikipedia...lol not a good source of facts...

Posted on August 24, 2009


oh and greg17 most colombians dont think tehy are whites, only the one with white skin and of european descendents.

same with black colombians, only the ones who have african ancestry.

Posted on August 24, 2009


Won't you ever realize that we are all the same? Watch this
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/nina_jablonski_breaks_the_illusion_of_skin_color.html

Posted on August 24, 2009


good point canadianamerican

Posted on August 24, 2009


Here is another photo of Elmo when he was young. I would say he is black.
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Posted on August 24, 2009


sorry to deflate the tire, but according to anthropologists and geneticists, there are only four races:
cacaloid
mongoloid
negroid
polonoid

so hispanics are negritos? and whites are 'caca' loidic?

i'm just a dark horse in the race...like elmo. but i do have a nice chrome walker and a patten leather eye patch. oh, and i still have the whole in my ear from an ear ring i put there in college...if that raises the bar.....and a swiss bank account that's empty, a gaggle of children, a smile, and a whole bunch of friends like ya'll. things could be worse.
d

Posted on August 24, 2009


When I first met my wife I thought she was dark skinned and exotic....but then after a few months she started to fade. Her beautiful dark skin came from a BOTTLE!!!!!

Now she is white like me.....but with an olive complexion......and still exotic!!

Posted on August 24, 2009


Sorry to deflate your tire but technically there is but one race of human....Homo sapien

Posted on August 24, 2009


That is a good looking family. Why did you hit the ugly tree Elmo?

Posted on August 24, 2009


"Sorry to deflate your tire but technically there is but one race of human....Homo sapien"

well said dude

Posted on August 24, 2009


you're absolutely right! gato....just look around......the evidence is everywhere.
d

Posted on August 24, 2009


There is nothing beige about my wife's skin, she has very pale skin that burns easily. She always wears a hat or slathers on the sunblock for fear of getting a burn. I never wear a hat or sunblock and my skin is always much darker than hers. It's the hair that gives her away, classic American Indian. No white person has hair like that. Her type, pale white skin with jet black hair is a common one in Medellin.

Posted on August 24, 2009


Traditionally there were 5 races: Black, white, red, yellow, and blue. There are no longer any blues, but lots of memories:

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/bluepeople.html

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1272/is-there-really-a-race-of-blue-people

http://www.geocities.com/my_hardy/krishna1.jpg

The original reason for marrying within one's race was not racist at all, but rather to preserve the purity of each race, and all the races, without any suggestion that any one race was "better" than another. One hardly dares to say this anymore, for fear of being misinterpreted.

Posted on August 24, 2009


UC I was only joking, I know Colombia has white people, my sister in law is one of them, she is whiter than my husband, her hair is light brown and she has hazel eyes, she could be from anywhere in Europe.

I have seen pictures of your wife and yes she looks very latina even though her skin is white

Posted on August 24, 2009


Hispanic is a term used by the U.S. Government for separating its people into classes and used for reallocating resources and government programs.

My wife had never seen the term used until her arrival into the States full time. Before that time she thought all people in the States were equal before the law.

Posted on August 24, 2009


At the end of the day , what percentage would you give for the white minority in Medellin ?

Posted on August 24, 2009


The percentage of actual whites is very small but most of the city think they are white.

Posted on August 24, 2009


If you stand back and look from a distance, ... Medellin is red.
gatitos, it's POPAYAN that is The White City.

Posted on August 24, 2009


tabla.......i guess that clears up the questions about "blue man group". the last vestages..............

Posted on August 24, 2009


you got the point elmo...But its still interesting that in medellin the injun looking mestizos are absent in socially influenced areas like commerce or whatever ...In Cartagena for example , theres a strong presence of blacks/injun/zambos in the social life...

Posted on August 24, 2009


you guys/ladies.... hilarious.
reminding me once again... why I log onto pbh...

Where's don rickles???

Posted on August 24, 2009


elmo,

If there were only some ritual we could use to exorcise the Puerto Rican half out of her.

Hopefully she is not riding around in tricked out dodge neon with a huge puerto rican flag on the window, a broken muffler, and daddy yankee booming out of it.

Posted on August 24, 2009


You can see the hebraic influence all over the place there, in the faces. They all become catholics, was better than death.

Geez, and you got to wonder why Paisas are the hardest working?

Posted on August 24, 2009


I really hate these topics about race because all they do is bring out the closet racists in many PBH'ers!

Que porqueria de tema!

Posted on August 24, 2009


I really hate these topics about race because all they do is bring out the closet racists in many PBH'ers!

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you're one of them.

Posted on August 24, 2009


Ahem, I have plenty of jewish family in Colombia, look at the post with me and my girlfriend, the tell tale nose.

Posted on August 24, 2009


gato....that's a new take on life. and as for it being the tel aviv of latin america, lets hope not. they'll start some fuckin rocket attacks from barranquia against medallo. GOD forbid.
d

Posted on August 24, 2009


uh oh.

Posted on August 24, 2009


The whites in Medellin like to think that the city is predominantly white.

Posted on August 24, 2009


why don't ya'll just walk outside, open your eyes and look around. do a 360 and see if it's black or white or brown or as gatogris says, blue. who the f**k were the blue people?

Posted on August 24, 2009


"you're one of them."

Shortiao,

That's the pot calling the kettle black, especially coming from a Colombian-hating bigot like you!

Posted on August 24, 2009


Love those Jewish beaks. I see a girl with a beak like that, I wanna do her nose.

Posted on August 24, 2009


Shortiao,

That's the pot calling the kettle black, especially coming from a Colombian-hating bigot like you!

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I embrace Colombia - I even have my visa. Unlike you that was so repulsed by Colombia, you took an option of having a US passport.

Posted on August 24, 2009


cowboy! you're so bad. is that the proverbial nose job?

Posted on August 24, 2009


I have both passports you limey redneck!

Posted on August 24, 2009


Gotta love those boricuas. Doing their part to destroy the purity of the Spanish language!

Posted on August 24, 2009


There are no "predominantly white" cities in Colombia. It's a mixed country, like Mexico. Genetic tests reveal that 90% of Paisas have Indian or black ancestry mixed in there somewhere. And to call it a "predominantly Hebraic" city is just laughable.

Posted on August 24, 2009


tabla says on Aug 24, 2009, 06:46: flag
Medellin, Colombia is well-regarded as one of the most modern, beautiful, and industrious cities in Latin America. "Coincidentally", it happens to be one of the whitest Latin American cities, as well.The city is roughly 80% white, with the remainder being light mestizos(people who are of predominantly European ancestry, with about 20-30% Amerindian admixture).

from http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=147071
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LMFAO!

I can't believe someone quoted stormfront.org,--the world's largest, racist, Neo-Nazi website--on a COLOMBIAN forum. Loony toons!

Posted on August 24, 2009


I love stormfront. I want every crazy anarchist organization, right or left, stirring up trouble and creating a situation ripe for civil war in the US. I'm looking forward to when everything goes south. There'll be a lot of scores settled then.

Posted on August 24, 2009


"when everything goes south"?

Hummm.

Posted on August 24, 2009


I have both passports you limey redneck!

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WHAT IN GODS NAME IS A LIMEY REDNECK?......and should I be offended?

Posted on August 24, 2009