Is Cali the world numero uno de SALSA in the world

la campiña says on Apr 16, 2008, 01:15:

Salsa is from NYC please respect

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la campiña says on Apr 16, 2008, 01:17:

so now you tell me salsa is not 3/4 swing

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la campiña says on Apr 16, 2008, 01:18:

you are lost in a mad world

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la campiña says on Apr 16, 2008, 01:26:

rhetorical question, Cali , Colombia, Salsa, es como does the pope pray, do fish swim,

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la campiña says on Apr 16, 2008, 02:05:

noooooooooooooooooooooooo
mereungue is 2/2 if you fuck with me your goin down salsa IS 3/4

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Gator says on Apr 16, 2008, 07:12:

I would defer to Rubito"s expertise on this matter. Mrs. Gator says the origin is Cuban and her favorite variation is cumbia-but I have no idea. If it ain't Sinatra I am out of my league.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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MaFe says on Apr 16, 2008, 07:18:

When I was in Cali, I was told that they have their own way of dancing salsa...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salsa_music
Origins
Salsa's roots can be traced back to the African ancestors that were brought to the Caribbean by the Spanish as slaves. In Africa it is very common to find people playing music with instruments like the conga and la pandereta, instruments commonly used in salsa. Salsa's most direct antecedent is Cuban son, which itself is a combination of African and European influences. Large son bands were very popular in Cuba beginning in the 1930s; these were largely septetos and sextetos, and they quickly spread to the United States.[30] In the 1940s Cuban dance bands grew much larger, becoming mambo and charanga orchestras led by bandleaders like Arsenio Rodriguez and Felix Chappotin. In New York City in the '40s, at the center for mambo in the United States, the Palladium Dancehall, and in Mexico City, where a burgeoning film industry attracted Latin musicians, Cuban-style big bands were formed by Cubans and Puerto Ricans like Machito, Perez Prado, Tito Puente and Tito Rodriguez.[31] New York began developing its own Cuban-derived sound, spurred by large-scale Latino immigration, the rise of local record labels due to the early 1940s musicians strike and the spread of the jukebox industry, and the craze for big band dance music.[32]

Mambo was very jazz-influenced, and it was the mambo big bands that kept alive the large jazz band tradition while the mainstream current of jazz was moving on to the smaller bands of the bebop era. Throughout the 1950s Latin dance music, such as mambo, rumba and chachachá, was mainstream popular music in the United States and Europe. The '50s also saw a decline in popularity for mambo big bands, followed by the Cuban Revolution of 1959, which greatly inhibited contact between New York and Cuba. The result was a scene more dominated by Puerto Ricans than Cubans.

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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MaFe says on Apr 16, 2008, 07:20:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Colombia

Colombian Salsa
Salsa music was born among Puerto Ricans and Cubans but soon spread to Colombia. Native salsa groups like Fruko y sus Tesos and Discos Fuentes emerged. Artists like Joe Arroyo followed, inventing a distinctively Colombian form of salsa. Other influential Colombian salsa musicians include Cristian Del Real "Timbal Genius", Grupo Niche, Alquimia, La Misma Gente, Los Titanes, Los Nemus del Pacífico, Orquesta Guayacán and Grupo Galé. It was in the city of Cali in South-West Colombia that Salsa had the greatest impact. In the 1980's many local Salsa bands and special bars and clubs dedicated to playing classic Salsa records began to flourish the most popular of which beign 'Juanchito', where the best dancers would show off their new moves. Also the way Salsa is danced in Colombia is very different from their Cuban and Puerto Rican counterparts adopting a side-side basic step as opposed to a forward and back basick step the islanders use. Nowadays the Cali Salsa dancing style is revered on the international arena as one of the hardest and most energetic, displaying fast complicated footwork. Recently Colombian dancers have become World Champions year after year and the style is becoming more popular and admired among Salsa professionals worldwide; with the most prominent salsa school beign 'Swing Latino' driven by the dance choreographer 'El Mulato'.

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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morphus says on Apr 16, 2008, 07:24:

Salsa comes from New York, is popular in Cali and every Cuban knows how to do it.

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MitchAlvarez says on Apr 16, 2008, 08:00:

Salsa is not from one specific area. Its a combianation of rythms and if I had to pin it to any locations I'd say its a combianation of Cuba, New York, and Cali. Why the three? well you have the pachanga, boogaloo, charanga, etc.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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britabroad says on Apr 16, 2008, 09:43:

"Salsa started getting picked up in Cali in the early 1980's"

Salsa was BIG in Cali during the 60's. There is also a difference between the Salsa of the ballroom dancing contests and the "street salsa" danced in the Colombian clubs. The type of Salsa heard in Cali and the way it is danced to are also unique.

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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Carlotica says on Apr 16, 2008, 12:17:

It so totally is!!!! take it from a professional salsa ex-dancer => - Cali es Cali - lo demas no es na' - just check out world international competitions for the last five years in couples and teams you'll see who is always on the first three - five spots!!!

Salsera!!!... de por vida =>

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 16, 2008, 13:52:

U.S. sailors are responsible for Cali's salsa dancing style, according to this article.

http://www.drclas.harvard.edu/revista/articles/view/997
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The forerunners of today’s acrobatic cadences were actually U.S. sailors who landed on Colombian shores in the 1940s, showing the Charleston and other steps to black Colombian bar-hoppers in Buenaventura, the country’s Pacific port city. The porteños adapted those hops, leaps and flips to Caribbean music, particularly Cuban sounds.

Three decades later, violence pushed the children of those dancers to Cali. The migration from Buenaventura and surrounding areas never stopped, producing one of the largest urban slums in Latin America—Aguablanca.

New York and Puerto Rican salsa also hit Cali in the 1970s, and the city moved to the sound of timbales, congas and brass. With drug cartel financial backing in the 1980s, the music became homegrown. Up to 100 salsa orchestras were formed, seemingly on every corner.
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jonas says on Apr 16, 2008, 14:02:

ketchup invented in Cali? The Heinz brothers a dancing couple? What are you talking about? Otro Cuba Libre por favor!

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

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la campiña says on Apr 16, 2008, 15:35:

makes me think about the wankel rotary engine for some strange reason

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la campiña says on Apr 16, 2008, 15:37:

Ha of course cali is the home of salsa I was just tricking you and you silly buggers fell for it, one apple for me

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goin_south says on Apr 16, 2008, 16:38:

the wankel rotary engine for some strange reason?????

dang! (in honor of Hg: DANG!)... GLAD I wasn't drinkin anything when I read that. ;-)

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2008, 05:50:

3/4 and 2/2 swing, what the hell are you lads talking about??? what does that mean, i never heard of that in my life when refering to dancing??

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2008, 05:51:

you hear a song you like, and you fokin dance, that's it!
As for cali, best salsa dancers in the world jajajajajajaajajajajajaj

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2008, 05:54:

in five minutes they pick me up for my daily walk in the park but when i get back, i'll give you the history of salsa and salsa dancing from someone that was smack in the middle of the whole chit, ME!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

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morphus says on Apr 17, 2008, 06:06:

Break time for me as well. I think i'll go outside and harass European tourists on Time Square.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2008, 06:17:

hey morph, outside of being whiter than casper the fokin ghost you could also spot euro tourists by their foot wear, they got the ugliest cheapest looking sneakers i've ever seen.
be easy on them, they always look a little scared at the sight of so many weird ethnic looking modefoques that live in this city.
one look at me and they run across the fokin street

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

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Mononoke28 says on Apr 17, 2008, 10:20:

Salsa is just what the word indicates a mix of caribbean sounds that was started in NYC by the likes of Celiz Cruz and Johnny Pacheco. The reason why people say it's Cuban is because it started mainly from the chachachá and mambo which Celia Cruz was mainly known for since she was the lead singer of The Sonora Matancera but since NYC was packed with Puerto Ricans, they also added their own sound and jazz to the mix.

The main importer of salsa in Colombia was Ernesto Fruko Estrada who lived in NYC at the time and who in 1970 started the band Fruko y Sus Tesos whose lead singer at one point was Joe Arroyo.

I read all of that in an old salsa book my dad had.

Diana

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El Polo says on Apr 17, 2008, 11:07:

Cant really comment on the origins of Salsa, but there are many variations of Salsa dancing styles and techinques, in NY its danced with partners at the typical dancing distance, alot of spinning involved, in the Caribbean Colombia its danced practically hugging, Cali Salsa uses alot footwork mostly choreographed dancing as well, I guess its just a matter of preference.

Not to be bias, but I prefer dancing up close :)))

NYC


Cali


Barranquilla (check out the first couple)

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El Polo says on Apr 17, 2008, 11:09:

"in five minutes they pick me up for my daily walk in the park but when i get back, i'll give you the history of salsa and salsa dancing from someone that was smack in the middle of the whole chit, ME!"

Still wating Elmo :)

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2008, 12:22:

let me put it this way, barranquilleros laugh at the way calenos dance, a litte too gayish.
In the mind of a barranquilero, if you dance even one fokin inch away from your partner, you're a marica.
si no le restregas la monda en la CHUCHA de tu muje, eres marica.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2008, 12:24:

even if you dance with you own mother in law, la restra lde la monda rule applies
even if you dance with your own grandmother, la restra de la monda rule applies
even with your own damn sister

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2008, 12:37:

if you start dancing at arm lenth AWAY from your partner, you're immediatly label a 'CACHACO"

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

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elmodefoque says on Apr 17, 2008, 12:40:

time for my mid afternoon nap, but as soon as i wake up i will give you the history of salsa and not from a book, straight from the clubs and basements of Spanish Harlem. lower east side nyc and the south bronx with willie colon and company circa 1965 to 1979
most of you young modefoque weren't even a stained in your dad's underwear

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

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curramberochris says on Apr 17, 2008, 12:41:

who made that film? That is Taboga on the 21....great place to get pissed up. although they don't allow women to enter unaccompanied.....great music. Salsa Brava

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El Polo says on Apr 17, 2008, 12:44:

Elmo que vaina hombe LOL

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Mononoke28 says on Apr 17, 2008, 13:21:

The stuff you have for NYC and Cali is all show. The last one is the "sisas parce" style, it's rare to see people from higher estratos dance like that "amacizaditos".

You also missed the Manrique style. People from Medellín should know which one that is. =D

Diana

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MitchAlvarez says on Apr 17, 2008, 16:57:

manrique style is the shitttttttttttttt.

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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El Polo says on Apr 17, 2008, 18:13:

I didnt mean to cause such a stir-up about the dancing styles, all I know is, if I were to show up in my pueblo dancing anything other than the above, I would have automatically been kicked in the nads, no questions asked

(I would of thanked the modefoque too!)

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MitchAlvarez says on Apr 17, 2008, 20:34:

In Colombia you have several different style of dancing salsa not only according to what city you reside in but what neighbrhood as well. In my experiences in Cali and Medellin you can go crazy one night observing 20 couples all dance differently.

To each his own. I like the amazicadito style best!! :)

"Ingrid callate la jeta!! Stay in France"

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El Polo says on Apr 18, 2008, 06:20:

I usually spin the chit out of my partner when she's a better salsera than me, that way I disorient her :) then its quickly back to "amazicadito" style! jaja

If she askes why am I spinning her so much, I tell her its a new move I learned in NY!!

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Mononoke28 says on Apr 18, 2008, 11:17:

They don't do a lot of spinning in Colombia which is sad. I like it since I was brought up here and those Potorros really know how to spin well.

The best thing about the amacizadito style is when the guy is not so bad looking and has good cologne on. Mmm... mmm... mmm... good!

Diana

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Mononoke28 says on Apr 18, 2008, 11:17:

This is kind of funny:

Diana

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slguy says on Apr 18, 2008, 13:27:

speaking from a gringo perspective, that caleno in El Polo's second vid looks kinda light in his loafers....;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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la campiña says on Apr 18, 2008, 22:50:

ok, without wanting to preach, zona rosa , ave 6sta, hhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa forgot, nobody lives here , give me a call mañana and I'll show you saturday night on sexta salsaaaaaaaaaaaa

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goin_south says on Apr 19, 2008, 00:02:

answer the fokn fone.

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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la campiña says on Apr 20, 2008, 13:38:

ha ha sorry, Gail my old fruit cake dont know why the conection from your hood is so bad, would love to talk but it sounds like your on another planet ,,.. or is that me, haha, sorry mate, keep rokin, hopefuly speak soon ! cheers dude

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