Is a 700 cc motorcycle with side car practical in Medellin?

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 5, 2009, 11:24:

it would put a spin on the sicario industry......hood mounted weaponry......Sapo might buy one....

Lets hear it for the new PBH Experts on Colombia! DrPhilinamillion, KY, and Darloops!!!!!!! We Salute Your Valuable Contributions to This Forum!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

stephen_aubrey says on Jul 5, 2009, 11:57:

It has always been my dream to have a real WW2 motorbike with sidecar, Just the look cool factor alone out weights the practicability .

" Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment"

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:03:

SA..go to any Eastern Bloc countryside..they are a dime a dozen....just dont get one in Poland...they have square wheels.....=)

Lets hear it for the new PBH Experts on Colombia! DrPhilinamillion, KY, and Darloops!!!!!!! We Salute Your Valuable Contributions to This Forum!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Gator says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:06:

Comes to mind never seen one on the street in Cali or Bogotá-my guess it would go north on the front end of a passing buseta.

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kenblanquito says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:12:

I would check out the current local government rules regarding passengers on motorbikes and sidecars first!
For example, a woman that we know is not allowed at present to carry her 16 year old son at the rear of her bike.
Something to do with snipers as passengers, a crime prevention thing.
Others here will hopefully know more about this.
As for safety, cars tend to ignore or at best display less respect towards motorbikes and with a side car, I would expect the risk of an accident to increase due to the larger volume/surface area that can be hit. Many car drivers rarely use their mirrors properly. Whatever you do, be careful!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:33:

I have 15 with side cars with direct drive to the side car. They are all in storage in Ukraine,. On a trip 7 years ago I bought them for $350.each or less. Many need repaint and a couple with minor repairs but have many parts. All ventage WWII bikes. Most with less then 1000 miles on them, I live in Medellin and I needed to know what laws are in effect with these motorcycles with side cars. Will it be worth bringing them into Colombia or will they even be allowed. It could be interesting if they are allowed.

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

GregYohn says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:34:

Hey!

In the Philiipines, they use taxi motorcycles with a 3rd wheel and then they are self enclosed. One time, we had 12 in one of them since our van broke down at the beach! OK, most were children, but still they took the weight! The photo is not of us with 12 people!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:45:

try this http://i42.tinypic.com/dmtdlj.jpg

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:45:

Good photo or the side car

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

stephen_aubrey says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:46:

I am like gator I have never seen one in Bogota,

I agree it would be interesting to see if they are even allowed here.

" Most people talk a lot, few are up for the moment"

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:47:

i bet the ones in the Ukraine dont look like that photo.....

Lets hear it for the new PBH Experts on Colombia! DrPhilinamillion, KY, and Darloops!!!!!!! We Salute Your Valuable Contributions to This Forum!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 12:58:

The photo is exactly like one I restored in the Ukraine. They will all fall under the antique vehicle law I am sure. Just like Colombia the people in the Ukraine take good care of their vehicles. These were bought out in the country where the direct deive to the third wheel are important for traction. They are great is all weather conditions and more so going up the hill I live on in Poblado. I will contact someone on Monday and see if I can bring them over and at what cost and if they are even allowed

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kenblanquito says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:00:

But, the passenger situation?

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:04:

Here is one more photo of one restored to WWII age

http://i42.tinypic.com/fu875f.jpg

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:06:

kenblanquito

You can carry any passanger under 300 pounds. Up hill a bit slower, straight road, great and easy, down hill? well you can figure that one out jajaja

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

GregYohn says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:25:

Hola!

I think bringing in a side car for a motorcycle would get you upset with customs! You either have to pay much in import duties or you would be not allowed to bring the side cars into Colombia!

The WW2 side car looked nice! I appreciated seeing the spare tire and the step to get into it! LOL! Where is the machine gun?
I would suggest a snap cover to be attached in the case of rain.

Ultimately, I think the best concept is to have those WW2 like side cars made in Colombia! I sound silly, but possibly they could be cheaper than you could imagine! WOW. adding a windscreen to the side car would be nice too!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

0 funny, 0 helpful.

medefockinllin says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:36:

No. you may also have problems with carrying male passengers in the side car.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:41:

The side car carried the men of the military. Plus a 5 gal can of fuel, Machine gun with amo, so "A MAN" in one is not a problem. I do have the windshields and car covers for all of them. Bike and side car. They are all used bikes and as such are not taxed as new.

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:44:

Used bikes would be a problem in importation. You need to research the "antique" aspect of the bikes.

btw, medefockinllin is referring to the anti-sicario laws........male passengers with guns....

Lets hear it for the new PBH Experts on Colombia! DrPhilinamillion, KY, and Darloops!!!!!!! We Salute Your Valuable Contributions to This Forum!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:49:

"antique" Is exactly what I will be looking into. It would also be great for Police use. Safer for them anyway. As far as the gun is concerned, don't carry one

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

medefockinllin says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:52:

As far I know it is prohibited for two MEN to ride on a motorcycle in Medellin.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 13:55:

Have you seen the police lately? Every day but no matter, A man and a woman or a man and food, or a man and his child, or a woman that spent all her husbands money shopping. Or a man that is delievering what ever he is selling. What does it matter ??

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

kenblanquito says on Jul 5, 2009, 14:24:

Male passengers are potential gun carriers as far as the alcalde of Medellin is concerned, therefore I believe it is prohibited.
A side car may have the same laws as for a rear passenger and unless the rule has changed in the last few weeks, you could be breaking the law by doing that.
Please check this out before bringing these items here!
And, for certain circumstances, the police do appear out of nowhere and in the city itself, it is unlikely that you will be able to bribe them.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

GregYohn says on Jul 5, 2009, 14:42:

Hola!

Your WW2 sidecars should be worth much in the USA!

That would be a better option!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Cheers Terry says on Jul 5, 2009, 15:17:

Sonny, as you know you can buy a Ural like the ones in your photos brand new in North America for about $10-$12,000. There's many different models and the specs vary quite a bit.

They're pretty cool.

Cheers,
Terry

By the way, those bikes are direct rip-offs of 1940's BMWs, manufactured today in Russia.

They're not complicated machines and they're super low horsepower so they're very under stressed, but when they do break they'd be an absolute bitch to get repaired in Colombia. I can't imagine the headaches...

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Cheers Terry says on Jul 5, 2009, 15:27:

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Cheers Terry says on Jul 5, 2009, 15:29:

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 15:48:

Cheers Terry

That is correct and these photos are also available to anyone. As soon as I can I will load the origional photos I have. All 15 that I bought in the Ukraine were built in the 40s' Engineered by BMW.
Not as pretty but I have two restored already like the red on and the military one . The rest are pretty much as they were years ago. But they old ones are not under powered. I agree the ones you can buy in LA and NY are not that good but indeed pretty. Just to let you know this, however, the new ones are actually put together in Kiev Ukraine by a company that went belly up many years ago.
Bringing them to Colombia may not be the thing to do. I am only concerned about bringing one. If It is not the right thing to do then the car will do just fine. I am NOT attempting to SELL ANY OF THEM TO ANYONE HERE!!.
Simply trying to see it it is a good idea to bring one to Colombia. Nothing more

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 15:58:

Please every body, I am not attempting to sell these. I wish only to try and bring one to Colombia for my own use. If it is not practical then no problem. Again THIS IS NOT A SALES POST. Thanks

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Cheers Terry says on Jul 5, 2009, 16:23:

I had one in Cuba for a few years. It was held together with spit and a promise but it supplied decent transport for about 5 or 6 hours for every hour of maintenance. Of course those Cubans can fix bloody anything, waaaaay better than any Colombian.

Good luck with getting it imported under the antique loophole. It'd be a great conversation piece in Colombia.

Cheers,
Terry

0 funny, 0 helpful.

barrumundi says on Jul 5, 2009, 16:40:

A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory!

0 funny, 1 helpful.

bam m says on Jul 5, 2009, 17:09:

era mejor....el Kombi ...jejejeje

0 funny, 0 helpful.

barrumundi says on Jul 5, 2009, 17:25:

Sonny.......I think your side-car moto combo would be a great idea for a drive in the country for a weekend but I think you wouldn't last long in the city traffic. I think your sidecar would be squashed flat by a bus or truck very quickly!!!!!!

A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

barrumundi says on Jul 5, 2009, 17:28:

A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory!

1 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 5, 2009, 17:37:

gringoloid

This would be great to have for sure. Where do we send the money to get you back from the FARC?? Surly you will be with them jajajaja at least the car will be

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

barrumundi says on Jul 5, 2009, 18:11:

Not so INCREDIBLE as GL's photos........but more practical (for city traffic) is this machine:

http://www.tumoto.com.co/Xingyue-Vogue/TMA-vogue-1.html

Sorry...but I couldn't lift the photo off the website.

A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Gator says on Jul 5, 2009, 19:32:

Because of some the "sicarios" laws I would check futher before any plans were cast in concrete.

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 5, 2009, 19:55:

Gator, what do you know about importing antiques?

Lets hear it for the new PBH Experts on Colombia! DrPhilinamillion, KY, and Darloops!!!!!!! We Salute Your Valuable Contributions to This Forum!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

lpdiver says on Jul 5, 2009, 20:00:

This question has been asked many times and never answered directly. I suspect you would need to speak with the agency in Colombia that handles it ( I forget the name at the moment) However; from my memory (such as it may be) being old enough alone is not sufficient. There must also be some intrinsic recognized collectors aspect to the motorcycle.


I suspect Sonnys bikes would pass muster. I somehow wonder about my 1986 goldwing though.

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

0 funny, 0 helpful.

GregYohn says on Jul 5, 2009, 20:30:

Yeah, WW2 is old even for Colombians!

I can bet you that the red side car shown above that looks like a Porche is more expensive than my Filipino side car!

My wife who hates motocycles in Cali would love that RED side car!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Gator says on Jul 5, 2009, 20:36:

Antiques covers a lot of territory. If it deals with autos/moto two suggestion. Contact the Colombian Consulate having jurisdiction where you live or call, if you Spanish is up to it, the "Subdirección de Comercio Exterior": 607-9999, 381-1910, 382-1376, 607-9230, 607-8686 in Bogotá- Please do not wing this find out beforehand to prevent a lot of expense/heartache

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

0 funny, 0 helpful.

webmanco says on Jul 5, 2009, 20:42:

I saw one in Bogotá but as an exibition. There is a Chineese company buying and reselling.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

0 funny, 0 helpful.

excavator59 says on Jul 5, 2009, 21:13:

I have a Lambretta 1960 TV 175 now 200cc with a Watsonian Bambini Sidecar here in Colombia unfirtunatly it has English plates as it 's nigh on impossible to get it registered however I do use it occasionally .
One thing to think about here Peajes it 's the same as a car would work out expensive I was thinking of taking mine top Cali on the 20th for the Vespa/Lambretta meet but with 4 peajes from Pereira to there it's a dear do.
The only other one I have seen is Jawa 350 which the Bomberos use for extinguishers but it does'nt have plates.
I did see a passenger one on a Jawa I wanted to ask the guy what permisos were necessary but he shot by.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

excavator59 says on Jul 5, 2009, 21:30:

As regards the Lambretta & Combi VW sidecar there is another Lambretta LD (1955 ISH)with a Jack Daniels whiskey bottle sidecar to scale.
Another thing to consider is you can't move through traffic like normal bikes .
I have ridden mine allover Europe even though the sidecar is on the English side on the left bit dangerous overtaking.
The reason mine is here is due to my ex brother in law supposedly asking the authorities if it was ok to bring them here I brought 3 Lambrettas ,big problems in Buenaventura going fron office to office for 2 days we tried the collection /Antique thing but they said no,in the end change manifesto your risk on the road PLEASE GREASE MY PALM SIR.
My sidecar is on this website if anybody could post the pic for me ,I don't have a clue.It's www.chaney's world then it's on the sub heading DIGGA'S TV thanks Alan.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

barrumundi says on Jul 5, 2009, 22:09:

A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory!

0 funny, 1 helpful.

barrumundi says on Jul 5, 2009, 22:09:

Is this it????

A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

GregYohn says on Jul 5, 2009, 22:11:

That side car is better than the motorcycle!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

1 funny, 0 helpful.

excavator59 says on Jul 5, 2009, 22:30:

Yes thanks thats my baby .Don't be cheeky about my bike thanks je-je.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

GregYohn says on Jul 5, 2009, 22:36:

Hola!

The sidecar looks great to me!

The scooter does not need the side car!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

0 funny, 0 helpful.

excavator59 says on Jul 5, 2009, 22:40:

Hi I have some others without the chair sometimes I take it of they love it here in the Desfiles de classicos so where you at Cali?

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

GregYohn says on Jul 5, 2009, 23:18:

I am in the USA now!

My wife HATES motorcycles after her accident in Cali!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Sonny says on Jul 6, 2009, 05:00:

Mongo
Thanks. These bikes I have are vintage for sure. A couple of them still have the Gun Mounts attached. I found 5 in a storage unit in Odessia Ukraine one of which was extreamly low milage. Under 100 miles. Tires dry rot but other wise in good condition. It was able to start and run. What I liked is that you can detach the direct drive from the side car and remove it very easily. It has a drive shaft actually.

Gator,
Thanks for the numbers. I will check but if the Jeeps can make it I am sure this bike has a good chance. The papers are all in order and all dates and numbers match. I have them already translated and notarized into English. I guess it will be necessary to have them put into Spanish.

Just taking life easy. I worked hard for it and deserve it and now doing it.

0 funny, 0 helpful.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 6, 2009, 07:52:

Dont be fooled by all the jeeps...they probably were imported here years and years ago and have been registered here for colombian use...a foreigner importing used antiques may be another thing......those import laws suck anyway......

Lets hear it for the new PBH Experts on Colombia! DrPhilinamillion, KY, and Darloops!!!!!!! We Salute Your Valuable Contributions to This Forum!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

GregYohn says on Jul 6, 2009, 09:30:

Hola!

How about making your own personal motorcycle sidecar musuem at your place and show that information to the Customs people!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

0 funny, 0 helpful.

excavator59 says on Jul 6, 2009, 12:28:

The other day I was behind a guy on a motorbike everytime he came to the sets of traffic lights he fell off ,this happened about 4 times ,each time I asked him if he was ok,he did'nt smell of drink or did'nt appear to be drugged so I said are you absolutly sure you are ok?.He said yes it's just getting used to not having the sidecar attached.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

1 funny, 0 helpful.

barrumundi says on Jul 6, 2009, 19:15:

Excavator....I hope for the sake of your health that you are a better moto rider than you are a comedian!

A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory!

0 funny, 0 helpful.

excavator59 says on Jul 7, 2009, 07:58:

MORE OR LESS THANKS ! Just thinking about gun attachments the French built Vespas under licience in the 50's /60's ACMA they built some for the Army with a Bazooka fitted in the legshields now I could do with one of those to sort those f**king Taxi's out ,who's the daddy now?.
Don't know much about the Italian tank with 1 Forward gear & 15 Reverse though.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

excavator59 says on Jul 7, 2009, 08:46:

As a footnote the Jeeps were imported originally 52,53 etc then I think in 1961 the government at the time made a decree that vehicles had to be built here or a large percantage or pay huge taxes this is why from 61 the Lambretta was built under licience by Auteco in Medellin until about 78/80 as the Indians who bought all the Italian factory in 1972 could not supply enough parts ,I had a 1977 Willys CJ6 which was built /assembled in Colombia as are Renaults/Chevrolets/Mazda etc it's protectionism you pay less taxes because it's built here look at the cost of imported Toyotas as against the ones that are assembled here.
That's why you can't bring them in (used) saying that there is in Salento an English fire engine & in Pereira an English Ambulance but with English plates these were gifts to Colombia after the Earthquake in 1998 when all the Fire engines in Armenia were destroyed & all the firemen died when the fire station collapsed, they have special permission though wonder if I paint mine red or white with a red stripe & fit flashing lights ?.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

0 funny, 0 helpful.

mranderson says on Jul 7, 2009, 19:23:

It definitely wouldn´t be practical to drive in the city but would be very cool for the antique car parade.

0 funny, 0 helpful.