Interpol has confirmed the authenticity of Raul Reyes's computer files

tasco66 says on May 6, 2008, 07:14:

Poor Cassini, another one of his Uribe conspiracy theories goes down the drain...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

slguy says on May 6, 2008, 07:37:

seems to me there's some crow being served around here....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

aztec says on May 6, 2008, 07:43:

jmb161, can't get the url to open. Can you give us another?

romy says on May 6, 2008, 07:51:

This has been discussed already (http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/organismos-de-seguridad-colombia...) the OFFICIAL Interpol results are not going to be released until May 15. see (http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/05/05/en_pol_art_interpol-confirms...) for article in English

Alma del Norte says on May 6, 2008, 07:54:

There is nothing on Interpol's site. I am sure if there was any news, it would be there.

http://www.interpol.int/default.asp

or there's been a leak...

That's pretty bad.

La vida es una rutina

sloopskipper says on May 6, 2008, 08:30:

romy says on Tuesday May 6th, 2008 7:51:

"This has been discussed already"

So what?

http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/05/05/en_pol_art_interpol-confirms... should get you there. (but I see that was already posted)

romy says on May 6, 2008, 08:35:

sloop nothing wrong... just pointing to where people have already talked about this so others don't miss that post. I also provided the universal link.

sloopskipper says on May 6, 2008, 08:39:

Sorry romy, but at first blush that sounded like "Oh no, here we go again. It's been discussed here before. Do a google search" like I often saw when I first came on here.

Apologies

Mononoke28 says on May 6, 2008, 08:47:

Don't apologize. I haven't been here as much this week and this is the first time I'm reading this. So thanks for the info!

Diana

slguy says on May 6, 2008, 10:59:

the thing that i haven't seen - or maybe missed - is that interpol functions primarily as a clearinghouse for international law enforcement data, thus has pretty sophisticated techno capacity.

uribe has often been accused of arrrogance, among other things, but never stupidity. it would take a real idiot to manipulate that computer data, announce as real the manipulatioons - then send off the machines to interpol for verification.

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robi666 says on May 6, 2008, 14:11:

Slguy, do you mean doing something like Bush did with Iraq? Crazy... none with a mind would do it. :-)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on May 6, 2008, 14:48:

The files on computer are surely authentic. Like it is not a surprise that Chavez helped FARC.
I do not think even Buggy has a doubt about it.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Mr. Hollywood says on May 6, 2008, 15:47:

Actually, Robi, wasn't it Buggy who argued that the computers couldn't have possibly survived the bombardment, therefore must be fake?

slguy says on May 6, 2008, 15:51:

nope. the world should quit worrying about interpol's results. buggy has previously announced that unless interpol finds data manipulation, he won't believe their findings.

prettty much setttles the issue in my mind, anyway. .)

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robi666 says on May 6, 2008, 16:01:

He says one thing and believes another... :)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

vladimiro says on May 6, 2008, 17:20:

What is suspicious is the lack of key questions of proportionality, significance, and casualty with regard to the support the FARC are supposed to be recieving from Venezuela and Ecuador.

For example, what percentage of FARC's resources come from Venezuela and Ecuador? Are they training frighters? If so, how many?

What difference does the support make military?

Where does the FARC get the vast majority of its resources from?

Without questioning the porportionality, significance, and casualty of the support you fall into the American Propaganda trap - the same technique that made Saddam responsible for 9/11 in the eyes of many.

tomtom33 says on May 6, 2008, 17:23:

No one that I am aware of in the US ever thought or said that Saddam had anything what so ever to do with 9/11. Exactly what many are you speaking of?

Alma del Norte says on May 6, 2008, 17:27:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country.
Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. A majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents believe it's likely Saddam was involved.

The belief in the connection persists even though there has been no proof of a link between the two.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm

La vida es una rutina

Alma del Norte says on May 6, 2008, 17:31:

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A Republican congressman from North Carolina told CNN on Wednesday that the "evidence is clear" that Iraq was involved in the terrorist attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001.

"Saddam Hussein and people like him were very much involved in 9/11," Rep. Robin Hayes said.

Told no investigation had ever found evidence to link Saddam and 9/11, Hayes responded, "I'm sorry, but you must have looked in the wrong places."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/29/hayes.911/

La vida es una rutina

slguy says on May 6, 2008, 17:31:

that 69% was well hidden from me, too, tomtom. don't feel like the lone stranger...

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vladimiro says on May 6, 2008, 17:40:

My point, even if it were true, how important is it?

For instance, it is true that Zarqawi got medical treatment in Iraq before the war. But the US then used this to "prove" that Saddam supported al-Qeada, which is ridiculous.

tomtom33 says on May 6, 2008, 17:43:

I am stunned. But I never claimed that my countrymen were very smart. I'll be damned if I know where they could have ever gotten such an idea.

Guess I have lived in Colombia too long.

tomtom33 says on May 6, 2008, 17:50:

As far as I know the US never seriously tried to link Saddam with Al Qaeda. He used WMD against the Kurds and the Iranians. He attempted to make the world think that he had large stockpiles of WMD. He paid bounties to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. He invaded Iran and Kuwait. He refused to cooperate with the arms inspectors. And he slaughtered his own people. Those things were more than enough.

Mr. Hollywood says on May 6, 2008, 21:32:

Vlad and Alma, you're missing the point. No matter what the dollar sum, both Ecuador and Venezuela have helped the FARC immeasurably by allowing them to operate with impunity across the borders.

If Venezuela or Ecuador really wanted to put an end to the FARC all they'd have to do is patrol the borders and stop the FARC from using it as their hideout.

slguy says on May 7, 2008, 07:16:

"No matter what the dollar sum, both Ecuador and Venezuela have helped the FARC immeasurably by allowing them to operate with impunity across the borders."

which is one reason i gotta admire uribe's resolve re: the ecuadorian incursion. i hope he continues to deny these bastards a free pass, just because they scurry into a rathole that some foreign government provides them.

i know uribe did some mea culpas - but he hasn't promised not to do it aagain, has he?

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vladimiro says on May 7, 2008, 20:16:

Doesn't the FARC's Putumayo drug fiefdom have anything to do with thier strong presence in Ecuador?

They've had military camps in border areas since long before Chavez, or Correa came to power, so are there more FARC bases now then there was before Correa came to power?

In fact, isn't it US drug policies ( like the coca eradication in neighboring countries which caused coca production to move from those countries to Colombia in the first place ) that is the real cause of the FARC's military strength?

It is suspicious not necessarily because the laptop story may not be true( I have no way of knowing) but because questions of proportionality and significance have not arisen.

Even if true, what difference does it make?

billyb says on May 7, 2008, 20:28:

I don't know Vlad, but if the laptop files are genuine as this report suggests, then the fact that the FARC was financing Correa's campaign is pretty damned significant.

SiV says on May 7, 2008, 20:34:

Still waiting till 15th May. . .

Stultórum númere infinitum est.

tomtom33 says on May 8, 2008, 04:34:

US drug policies are the cause of Farc's strength? Gee, I learn something every day.

jorgegdiaz says on May 8, 2008, 05:39:

This Vlad character is amazing, isn`t he? Nothing is wrong for him. Poor liitle FARC are just inocent victims of Colombian citizens who just want to live their lifes in peace and not worrying about getting their brains blown out by any marxist nutzo... Reminds me of the drug-addict`s mom sotry, whose son "never does anything wrong"

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

slguy says on May 8, 2008, 05:45:

vlad, where're you from, to have developed such an, ummmm, outdated political philosophy? i'm really curious what nation is still producing folks like you. give us a hint? or maybe even try a weird thing like just telling us?

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billyb says on May 8, 2008, 06:18:

Here is some more good news to start the day with. Well good news for those that believe in Colombian democracy. BTW, I'm not so sure he wasn't skiiping with the FARC's loot and his ho in tow, like so many of his fellow mandos medios have done this past year or so. The police should check his bags to see if he has any unnatached right hands in there.


Mayo 8 de 2008

Detienen a alias 'Santiago', presunto jefe del frente 'Manuel Cepeda' de las Farc en Buenaventura

Se trata de Gustavo �?lvarez Cardona, contra quien existen seis órdenes de captura por los delitos de rebelión, secuestro y terrorismo.

Fue capturado en el lugar conocido como La Bocana, en Buenaventura, en poder de 150 MILLONES DE PESOS. Su compañera también fue detenida.

En las Farc, 'Santiago' era considerado como el reemplazo de alias 'JJ', detenido también por las autoridades.

�?lvarez Cardona estaba implicado el secuestro de los diputados y un atentado con carro bomba en Cali.

En la Fiscalía tiene abiertos 27 procesos judiciales.

buggy says on May 8, 2008, 13:17:

slguy wrote :"vlad, where're you from, to have developed such an, ummmm, outdated political philosophy? i'm really curious what nation is still producing folks like you. give us a hint? or maybe even try a weird thing like just telling us?"

I am not curious to know what nation produced guys like slguy because it can only be USA.
Remember the Bob Dylan's song (from his "good" period): "With God on our side"

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

buggy says on May 8, 2008, 13:22:

Other good (or rather bad) news for billyb:

"756 años de condenas por masacre de Jamundí "


http://www.elpais.com.co/paisonline/notas/Mayo082008/jud1.html

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

buggy says on May 8, 2008, 13:23:

Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.

“Ojos y oídos para Norteamérica / para su propio pueblo, sordo y ciego" Pablo Neruda

billyb says on May 8, 2008, 13:25:

bugster, me not being a hypocrite like yourself, I am very happy they recieved that time, I would have been happier if they were put in front of a firing squad.

jorgegdiaz says on May 10, 2008, 05:55:

There you go boys: The wait is over this Thursday.
I want to see that report so bad. Also I want to watch Hugo in Alo Presidente to see HOW eh is going to deny it... I wonder what some people here, on my ignore list, are going to say too...

http://www.eltiempo.com/justicia/2008-05-09/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR...

Mayo 9 de 2008

Interpol dará a conocer el próximo jueves los análisis de computadores de 'Raúl Reyes'

E.U. cree en autenticidad de archivos de PC de 'Raúl Reyes' que vinculan a Hugo Chávez con las Farc El anununcio fue hecho este viernes por la directora del Departamento Administrativo de Seguridad (DAS, inteligencia), María del Pilar Hurtado.

Hurtado señaló a la emisora La FM que la comisión de expertos en informática forense de la Interpol, integrada por un coreano, un australiano y un singapurés, dará una rueda de prensa luego de entregar los resultados de lo hallado en los computadores, en los que según el Gobierno colombiano existen pruebas de las relaciones de Ecuador y Venezuela con los rebeldes.

"La semana entrante tendremos la rueda de prensa con el secretario general de Interpol, Ronald Noble, el ministro de Defensa, Juan Manuel Santos, la policía y el DAS y estaremos presentando al mundo el dictamen técnico sobre los equipos", confirmó la funcionaria.

Indicó que la información publicada hoy por el diario The Wall Street Journal sobre los lazos "más amplios y profundos" del presidente venezolano, Hugo Chávez, y las FARC descubiertos en los computadores de "Reyes" son una prueba más de que EE.UU. cree "fielmente" en la forma como las autoridades colombianas "cumplen su misión".

Sin embargo, aclaró que se debe "esperar que a través de la Fiscalía y los órganos de cooperación judicial se puedan hacer las investigaciones formales", y no reveló los países a los que se les ha enviado la información encontrada en los computadores, aunque confirmó que uno de ellos fue Costa Rica.

El diario económico estadounidense publicó hoy que "funcionarios de los servicios de inteligencia de Estados Unidos dicen que una serie de controvertidos archivos obtenidos que ligan a Chávez con la guerrilla colombiana parecen ser auténticos".

Los militares colombianos que bombardearon el pasado 1 de marzo un campamento de las Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (Farc) en territorio ecuatoriano se incautaron de tres computadores pertenecientes a "Raúl Reyes", alias de Luis Edgar Devia, quien murió en el ataque junto a otras 25 personas.

El domingo pasado este diario publicó en un artículo que tuvo acceso al informe de la Interpol y en el mismo se confirmó que los computadores del portavoz internacional de las Farc no fueron manipulados por las autoridades colombianas.

"El primer hallazgo es que el PC de 'Reyes' no sufrió manipulación y que las agencias de seguridad y civiles que tuvieron en poder el computador respetaron la cadena de custodia", indicó el reporte periodístico.

El Gobierno colombiano dijo en su momento que en los ordenadores del jefe rebelde existían correos electrónicos que muestran supuestos nexos de los Ejecutivos de Ecuador y Venezuela con las Farc, además de demostrar otras actividades "terroristas" de los insurgentes.

"Reyes" es el primer guerrillero del alto mando de las Farc que fallece en una acción militar castrense en los casi 44 años de historia de la organización insurgente.

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

cali373 says on May 13, 2008, 09:34:

THERE IS A LINK BETWEEN IRAQ AND AL-QAEDA!!!

THEY BOTH HAVE THE LETTER "Q" IN THEIR SPELLING, LOL!

Smile if you are a thinker!