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INGRID ARRIVES TO PARIS AND SAYS " I owe everything to france"

Also that she is happy to be at home and have dreamed for 6 years to be in paris ,ahahahah take that COLOMBIAN ARMY a fist right back to you for have freed her and risk all for her ahah ...

and so she kept repeating how much she loves the frenchs and so on so on...

no way she will go back to colombia! , hope Uribe gets reelected because of this and colombians outhere forget about her ahah no way she gives a damn about the country she wanted to be president of...nooo way she can be a president acting like this

By mimimimimi on Jul 4, 2008, 07:27 in Friendly Talkzone.

tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:31:

any link?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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mimimimimi says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:33:

http://www.france24.com/en/20080704-ingrid-betancourt-arrives-france-r...

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:36:

Thank you mimi.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tejasmarcos says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:37:

she should be thanking the usa for their greedy interest in colombia's future oil reserves...

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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huskie says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:37:

FARC INGRID!!!!!!!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:38:

she should be thanking the usa for the US$ 20 million...Jajajaja

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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mimimimimi says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:40:

liar? goddamn but it was the bbc translator guy who say it ,that she owes everything to france it was in the subtitle too goddamn let me find the link oich"

in here it says so:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Ingrid-Betancourt-Is-Welco...

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:40:

"What do you say, liar ?"

watch your language frenchie

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:46:

You got to love the French:

Addressing France, she said: "I owe you everything.

"Extraordinary people took part in this operation. They weren't armed. There wasn't even one bullet fired. So I think that we succeeded in achieving the impossible. So all the contradictions which this started with actually came together so that a successful plan was put in motion

"It's now important for me to tell me how much I love you and show you how much I owe you. I have cried a lot. Today they are tears of joy, before they were tears of pain.

President Sarkozy said: "France loves you and welcomes you back"

President Sarkozy has fought for Betancourt's liberation since he took office, pushing for negotiations with her captors and urging the Colombian authorities to avoid any military action.

But her visit could be overshadowed by a domestic political spat between Sarkozy and his rival Segolene Royal. Royal said: "Everyone knows that this well-executed Colombian operation proves that negotiations with the FARC (guerrillas) were useless and fruitless. "Any controversy or political gain would be totally out of place because Nicolas Sarkozy had absolutely nothing to do with her liberation," she added.

Sarkozy was kept in the dark over the rescue mission due to his stance on military action, whereas the US government was kept informed all along. The French president only found out that Betancourt had been freed after Colombian forces brought her home.

Betancourt has captured the hearts of the French people over the past six years, who have staged countless marches and demonstrations on her behalf.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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mimimimimi says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:48:

french circus!!! and still she owes them everything ,other news channels and opinion says if it wasnt for the pressure Mr. Sarcozy put on Uribe this never could have happened!

I love Uribe and on behalf of him those french should go to hell , Uribito made it all alone ,the french president just say something sit on his throne and now he is the one that made it all possible in the first place baaaah! ,whats up ...

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huskie says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:48:

Hail Ms Segolene
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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tejasmarcos says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:49:

viva "freedom fries"!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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huskie says on Jul 4, 2008, 07:52:

FARC INGRID
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 08:15:

I don’t see why she would be coming back to Colombia since she “owes everything" to Sarkozy and France…

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 08:29:

Buggy can you please translate this from the most respected French newspaper:

Ingrid Betancourt à Paris : "Je vous dois tout"

LEMONDE.FR avec AFP | 04.07.08 | 15h34 • Mis à jour le 04.07.08 | 17h19

http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article/2008/07/04/ingrid-betancourt-e...

And apologize to mimi for having called her a “liar“

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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freddy says on Jul 4, 2008, 08:31:

maybe she should just go back to her beloved farc...

happines is a perfect wave

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 08:39:

It’s funny how buggy can break all the rules of PBH with total immunity. I guess posting Chavista and Polo propaganda makes you untouchable here…

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 08:49:

I don't know but she also owe a lot to France as i said they kept her in the spotlight for ages and sent that airplane to help her, France did pressure a bit the Colombian government to released her.

what ever she decided to do hopefully those 6 years in the jungle helped her to understand the situation of the hostages and that the guerrillas are no more than a group of terrorist and i think she will be a very good ambassador for Colombia, telling the world that the Farc are not guerrillas but terrorist, probably a good outcome for Colombia will come with her released, let's wait and see.

let's try not to be so negative about her.

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hongo_joe says on Jul 4, 2008, 08:49:

She just asked the French government to provide scholarships for all of Farc's hostages - the French agreed. That bitch.

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huskie says on Jul 4, 2008, 08:52:

Freed hostage Betancourt gets hero's welcome in France
04/07/2008 15h13

Nicolas Sarkozy made Ingrid Betancourt's release a top priority of his presidency
©AFP - Patrick KovarikPARIS (AFP) - Freed Colombian politician Ingrid Betancourt said Friday she owed her life to France as President Nicolas Sarkozy gave her a hero's welcome to Paris, turning the page on her six-year hostage ordeal.

Snatched from the grip of Marxist FARC rebels in a Colombian army operation Wednesday, along with three US hostages and 11 Colombians, Betancourt arrived at an airbase west of Paris on board a French presidential flight from Bogota.

Applause broke out as the 46-year-old Betancourt, dressed in a dark blue suit, walked down the stairs of the plane to embrace Sarkozy and first lady Carla Bruni, waiting to welcome her to her second home.

"Dear Ingrid, we had been waiting for this for so long," said Sarkozy, who made Betancourt's release a top priority of his presidency. "Ingrid Betancourt, welcome. France loves you."

"I have shed many tears of pain and indignation. Today I am crying with joy," Betancourt, who also has French nationality, told the crowd waiting at the Villacoublay airbase near Paris, her voice shaking with emotion.

"I have just left my family in Colombia. My loved ones. But I wanted to be with my other family. In my dear France."

"I am so happy to breathe the air of France. I owe France everything," said the former Colombian presidential candidate.

Betancourt was followed out of the plane by her daughter Melanie, 22, and son Lorenzo, 19, who were flown to Bogota from Paris on the French government aircraft to be reunited with their mother on Thursday.

She and her family left the airbase in a convoy with Sarkozy and his wife, headed for the presidential palace.

Paris is where Betancourt grew up, studied and raised her family. Her children had waged a relentless campaign for their mother's release, making her a cause celebre in France.

"I owe my life to France. If France hadn't fought for me, I wouldn't be here making this extraordinary journey," she told reporters on the plane earlier.

Betancourt said in a radio interview late Thursday she had been chained up night and day for three years by her rebel captors, with only her Catholic faith as a solace.

"I was in chains all the time, 24 hours a day, for three years," she told Europe 1 radio. "I tried to wear those chains... with dignity, even if I felt that it was unbearable."

©AFP GraphicAsked whether she was tortured, she replied "Yes, yes." She said she saw her captors lapsing into "diabolical behaviour."

"It was so monstrous that I think they themselves were disgusted.

"I think you need tremendous spirituality to stop yourself falling into the abyss," she said.

A fervent Catholic who called her release a "miracle of the Virgin Mary," Betancourt has also been invited to meet Pope Benedict XVI next week. "It is a meeting that one cannot pass up," she told AFP.

Sarkozy's personal doctor, travelling on the flight, said her state of health was "satisfactory," according to a member of the delgation, but she was to undergo in-depth medical examinations once in Paris.

Ingrid Betancourt was kidnapped by FARC rebels in 2002
©AFP - Patrick KovarikVideo footage earlier this year showed Betancourt looking frail and gaunt and she was reported to be suffering from a host of ailments including hepatitis.

Betancourt has urged Colombia and the international community to keep working to free the hundreds of other hostages still held by Colombia's FARC rebels, Latin America's most powerful left-wing insurgency.

The cunning rescue mission was a huge triumph in Colombian President Alvaro Uribe's long battle against the leftist rebel army.

In the humbled rebels' first reaction since the rescue, a news outlet close to FARC said they would be open to peace talks with the Uribe government.

"Definitely the future of Colombia cannot be civil war," read the statement on the pro-rebel Anncol news agency website, which urged FARC to "not waste a historic opportunity."

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 08:55:

I think she can thank Sarkozy for the French Presidential plane, but that’s about it

As Ms Royal said:

“Nicolas Sarkozy had absolutely nothing to do with this liberation"

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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goin_south says on Jul 4, 2008, 09:10:

Let me repeat: Ingrid will Never be the president of Colombia.
Forget about it, folks.

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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Monpirri says on Jul 4, 2008, 09:19:

According to the latest news from the Internet...Ingrid Betancourt is running for President of France! :>)

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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huskie says on Jul 4, 2008, 09:21:

HAHAHA
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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sloopskipper says on Jul 4, 2008, 09:49:

goin_south says on Jul 4, 2008, 09:10: flag

"Let me repeat: Ingrid will Never be the president of Colombia.
Forget about it, folks."

At this point I wonder if she could be elected dog-catcher.

"I owe everything to France". What utter bullshit!

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 10:16:

I agree with Kat.
I know that Colombia and Colombians,( not me) for the last 6 years, had a big animosity, hate towards her, even here in PBH. France has done totally the opposite, support her and try to rescue her. ARE WE SO FORGETFUL??? any post about her have been just pure hate!, now she calls France home. WHAT should she have done? call the French bastards for loving her and doing everything possible to see her free?????.

She will tell over and over her ordeal, and everyone will know that the Colombian military are the ones that did the actual rescue of course!. Don`t forget tha we say things of gratitude when we are exited. STOP, reading and interpreted every word she says.

If you hate her so much, strop posting about her.!!!. show some grace and respect, learn from her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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mimimimimi says on Jul 4, 2008, 10:18:

guess colombia was indifferent and then we all jump on her over the top! but still she even left her colombian husband behind ( and left with the french ex)not even a night of intimacy after 6 years ,no joda! poor man hahaha! after he throw pics to cheer her up all over the jungle!

oeee sorry indifferent oops i forgot about the millions of colombians asking for freedom to the kidnapped ones and peace in general in the ANTI FARC day thing...
I was in panama those days! and I watched it YEP

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hongo_joe says on Jul 4, 2008, 10:19:

Kat and Lisa - absolutely right - give her a break!!!

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 10:30:

Try to be in her shoes, I wonder how long we would last in the jungle, and what it would do to our bodies and morality. You people are so cruel, not even the worst criminal, deserve to be treated like this poor kidnapped people.

En las buenas y en las malas se conocen las personas.
Tenemos que tener una alma muy negra, para ser tan malvados y no gozar de la alegría de unos pobres secuestrados libres, que han pasado no mas que miseria.

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gamm2 says on Jul 4, 2008, 10:53:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/04/hostages.conditions/index...

This is a clip from the documentary The Kidnapping of Ingrid Betancourt about how she came to be more involved in Colombia again. I dont think this has changed too much, but give her some time.... its been a few days. The documentary is playing on CNN on Saturday night I believe.

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gamm2 says on Jul 4, 2008, 10:55:

The Colombia in my Heart one, not the I owe everything to France one. :)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/04/hostages.conditions/index...

this might be a better link

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mimimimimi says on Jul 4, 2008, 11:04:

yeah lets her recover and allow somedays for the hangover after drinking too much champaigne in the french palace special welcome party!

yeah lets wait and see what she is going to do for the rest of the kidnapped ones,probably she will manage to raise more awareness oooor she will walk again towards caguan to ask farc again face to face hahaha

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2008, 11:09:

My “reliable Swiss media source" tells me Ingrid will soon be running for President, although she still has not made up her mind in which country (Colombia or France)…

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 11:34:

Please!!! She is a Colombian first....I grew up outside of Colombia but I don't forget my roots....

She is the typical boba Colombia- raised outside of Colombia and forgets where she came from....there is a word for people like her..%$#&!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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huskie says on Jul 4, 2008, 11:35:

She has denied, that the report in the Swiss articles is true
Cheers

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 15:52:

she is been very grateful to Colombia she had say it over and over again, but France played a bit role too in keeping her in the spotlight, her kids worked hard to to make sure she was not forgotten, all those pressure somehow helped no just her but other hostages too.
I think this is a good sign and i am sure she will help to the released of all of the other hostages.

She grew in France, her kids are French, she is bound to go and say thank you to a country that kept her in the spotlight no just her but the other hostages too.

Mafe I don't think she forgot were she came from, she is just being grateful
why are so envious, we should be happy that she is free just like the oher hostages.

gezz i grew in Colombia, but if i knew that the UK did all that fuss for my release i will go to and say thank you.after all is the country were my kids were born too

if you all continue like that you all going to turn green...

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 15:56:

Correction Kat her kids are HALF french...half...don't forget that!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 15:59:

they are French, they grew up in France, French father... just like my Kids, they are half Colombian half British, but you ask them and they will identified more with Britain than Colombia, they don't consider themselves Colombians. they are just Colombian because of me, the rest, education, upbringing, language, customs, everything is British

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:00:

Ingrid's kids are 99% French 1% Colombia i will say

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:08:

How you choose to bring up your children if on you.

I am HALF Colombian and was brought up two BE PROUD of BOTH my cultures..
as hundreds of thousands od parents in the world have done..

Ingrid's children are HALF Colombian HALF French...not much more to state on that!
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"kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 15:52: flag
Mafe I don't think she forgot were she came from, she is just being grateful
why are so envious, we should be happy that she is free just like the oher hostages.

gezz i grew in Colombia, but if i knew that the UK did all that fuss for my release i will go to and say thank you.after all is the country were my kids were born too

if you all continue like that you all going to turn green..."

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Excuse me you asked if I am being envious? Please Kat...restrain from your usual comments which have no facts...I don't think this is how moderators...moderate! You should refrain from making comments to members that aren't factual and respect our opinions!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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huskie says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:11:

Good comments Mafe
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:15:

Very weel said KAT1!!!!!!!!

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:16:

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:00: flag

Ingrid's kids are 99% French 1% Colombia i will say

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Is your math alright? Mother is 100% Colombian, father 100% French..
do the math...very simple...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:20:

well it seem like, here everybody seem envious or angry that Ingrid went to France, what's wrong why can't she go?, , i believe some people closer to her including president would have told her to go and have a rest there and spend time with her family...while everything in Colombia calms down, maybe they are scare of a guerrilla retaliation who knows, But here people is wishing her even her death, it is awful to think about a person like that specially since that person has suffered so much in the jungle, can we at least be happy just for her released, i could care less what she does afterwards, many hostages before have been leaving Colombian for good and some have been leaving the country even they were not hostages.

How you choose to bring up your children if on you.

I am HALF Colombian and was brought up two BE PROUD of BOTH my cultures..
as hundreds of thousands od parents in thr world have done..

well good for you, but is up to the kids to decided what culture they want to be part of, you teach them but they will choose and if they were born in France i don't blame them for thinking that France is their main culture and country just like my kids with UK, just like Elmo's kids with the USA

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:22:

Elmo's kids speak Spanish and are proud colombians...he has stated that...

AGAIN her children are HALF Colombian HALF French...very simple concept!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:25:

MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:16: flag

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:00: flag

Ingrid's kids are 99% French 1% Colombia i will say

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Is your math alright? Mother is 100% Colombian, father 100% French..
do the math...very simple...

blood just in blood, but upbringing, customs, language, friends everything have been French

I have a friend here, he is German, he married a British girl, he has 3 kids born, bread and raised in the UK just like my kids, those kids never ever identified themselves with Germany, they don't even speak the language,although my kids do, yes 100% German but just by blood.

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:26:

My son is also 1% Colombian, he says he is 50/50 but that is just a way to say it, he does not identify with anything Colombian. I would like him to, but he is more gringo than apple pie.
I brought him to Medellin every year, sometimes twice, but his roots are deep with his country.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:30:

exactly Liza, no matter how much you try just like your son, my kids were born, bread and raised in the UK and if they marry a British , the Colombian blood will start to disappear little but little . no that i want to but unfortunately is because they are just half Colombian.

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:36:

Hundreds and thousands of couples exist that have brought children into this worls and taught their children both languages and cultures...what you choose to do in your doing..
I am just speaking for the hundreds of thousands that have taught their children both identities..

You can't take half blood out of someone!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:36:

And then in the future my great great grandkids will say... my great great grandmother was Colombian :)))

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:37:

I would love for him to marry a Colombian, and we all move there and live happily ever after, but, it is never going to happen. If I had moved there when he was 7 or 8 maybe, there is no chance. I would like to live wherever he lives, and that is a hard choice to make for me because I want to go HOME!

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:39:

kat1 LOL.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:42:

MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:36: flag

Hundreds and thousands of couples exist that have brought children into this worls and taught their children both languages and cultures...what you choose to do in your doing..
I am just speaking for the hundreds of thousands that have taught their children both identities..

You can't take half blood out of someone!

I agree, but unfortunately your upbringing play a bit role with which country or culture you identified most and where you feel you belong to and feel home.

Liza's kid United state
my Kids UK
desis's kids although born in Colombia they are also 50/50 (their father was Colombian), they consider themselves more Swedish than Colombians.

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:44:

Again...if your mother is a nationality you are half that nationality, same with the father..you can't change that!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:42: flag

Liza's kid United state
my Kids UK
desis's kids although born in Colombia they are also 50/50 (their father was Colombian), they consider themselves more Swedish than Colombians.

Really? How odd is that? On Desi's son's myspace page he list himself as LATINO!
Odd isn't it...wow? Looking at his page I say he is EQUALLy proud of both nationalities!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:46:

Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:37: flag

I would love for him to marry a Colombian, and we all move there and live happily ever after, but, it is never going to happen. If I had moved there when he was 7 or 8 maybe, there is no chance. I would like to live wherever he lives, and that is a hard choice to make for me because I want to go HOME!

Liza I know the feeling , my daughter already have an English BF and my son is my only hope but i heard he is going out with a French girl.... maybe i should become acquaintance with Ingrid :)))

how old are you kids Liza?

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billyb says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:51:

"my son is my only hope but i heard he is going out with a French girl...."

jaja Kat, don't worry, they're not all like buggy :)) A cousin in Pereira married a frenchie, and know he is the biggest paisa you ever saw, he took to paisa culture like a pig to mud.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:52:

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:44: flag

Again...if your mother is a nationality you are half that nationality, same with the father..you can't change that!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:42: flag

Liza's kid United state
my Kids UK
desis's kids although born in Colombia they are also 50/50 (their father was Colombian), they consider themselves more Swedish than Colombians.

Really? How odd is that? On Desi's son's myspace page he list himself as LATINO!
Odd isn't it...wow? Looking at his page I say he is EQUALLy proud of both nationalities!

i don't say you don't have to be proud or denied your other nationality what i said is that they will identified more with the nationality that they were born or raised up rather than blood!

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:52:

LOL Kat1.
You can not make anybody be anything you want.

Maybe one day, when I am living in Colombia, my son will come to visit and falls in love with a Paisa, if he is not married by then with a gringa or other foreigner. (history repeats itself, I did it to my parents!)

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:55:

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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billyb says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:55:

Freddo broke Michael's heart when he went outside the "family" in Godfather II also Lisa.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:56:

billyb says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:51: flag

"my son is my only hope but i heard he is going out with a French girl...."

jaja Kat, don't worry, they're not all like buggy :)) A cousin in Pereira married a frenchie, and know he is the biggest paisa you ever saw, he took to paisa culture like a pig to mud.

now that you mention buggy i must end that relationship, what about if she is related to buggy? arggg

Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:52: flag

LOL Kat1.
You can not make anybody be anything you want.

Maybe one day, when I am living in Colombia, my son will come to visit and falls in love with a Paisa, if he is not married by then with a gringa or other foreigner. (history repeats itself, I did it to my parents!)

as long as they visit it is ok :)) i am planing to spend more time in Colombia sp they know where to find me :)))

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:58:

I get the picture, (even if I did not see it) LOL

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:59:

Liza I think my son will be more likely to go and see me my daughter will be more reluctant i think as the time goes by she will go less and less to Colombia :(((( that is why want to live half there half here.

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bamacellist says on Jul 4, 2008, 17:02:

There she is in France, speaking to the French. It seems natural given the history that she would feel an enormous gratitude towards France and it is also appropiate she express it. Does she have to go through the whole list of people she's grateful to every time she speaks? I think that's a bit much. Saying France is her home doesn't mean that Colombia is not also her home (50-50, MaFe?) and saying she dreamed of this moment in France for so many years does not say she didn't dream of freedom in Colombia as well. Telling the assemblage their she owes them everything does not need to be interpreted to mean she feels no gratitude towards Colombia. This ordeal hasn't been a private one, it has been an ordeal the entire nation of Colombia has been enduring right along with her, and she has been made an icon of the suffering of all Colombians, but maybe we should allow her to be human, too, no? She was enormously and appropriately grateful and generous towards Uribe and his policies when she spoke in Colombia. How much more is it fair to demand? Here she is speaking with enormous grace and eloquence when probably most of us would still be rolling around on the ground or jumping up and down, making strange animal noises and not much else. Cut her a break for cyin' out loud!

Her mother has some serious grovelling to do in my opinion, but that's her mother, not her.

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 17:03:

well said Bamacellist

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billyb says on Jul 4, 2008, 17:08:

"now that you mention buggy i must end that relationship, what about if she is related to buggy? arggg"

Yeah maybe it's not worth taking a chance. You are going to start having nightmares about the bugster walking the bride down the aisle.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 17:13:

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 4, 2008, 17:13:

Bamacellist, WOW that is showing some class, can you repeat that on all the post that slam Ingrid?!, thanks you are my man!

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billyb says on Jul 4, 2008, 17:32:

kat LOL.

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gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:12:

Question, has Ingrid thanked the US gvmt?

I think Ingrid is being polite to French... c'mon she is in France, at the end of the day she is linked to France in some way...

If she thanks France or not is irrelevant for me, good news is that Farc is dying.... hahahahaha

Elección no canonización....

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houstongal says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:13:

GABO!!!!! Where have you been??????

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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billyb says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:15:

HG, maybe gabo was with the group just released. wassupp Gabo?

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houstongal says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:16:

I dunno...I'm in shock that he's back on PBH! Maybe there's hope that Mona will return? I just posted an update from LucasFreley in Monpirri's post asking where some of these old PBH friends are.

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:16:

viajando!!!!

=)

Y vos como estas?

Elección no canonización....

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houstongal says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:17:

Where are you now?? Back in Mexico or in Colombia??? I've missed you!

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:18:

LOL billyb!!!

Yes I was just released!!! LOL

What's up guys?

Elección no canonización....

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houstongal says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:18:

Last I remember, you were going to be a father?

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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billyb says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:19:

Good to hear from you again.

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gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:22:

mmm shall we discuss it in private HG? =)

Yeah billy I missed PBH a lot...

See guys this year has been amazing...

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAQUE A LAS FARC!!!!!

Elección no canonización....

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houstongal says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:24:

Gabo, do you still have your yahoo.com.ar address? I'll email you.

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:26:

yeah I do, please e mail me darlin'

Are you coming to Colombia soon?

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houstongal says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:28:

Yes....I'll write.

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:31:

REALLY???? ARE YOU COMING???

Elección no canonización....

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houstongal says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:32:

Gabo dear, I'll email you. Right now the answer is yes, but I'll know for certain next week.

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:34:

yes!!!! ok let me know

Elección no canonización....

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houstongal says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:34:

I've sent you an email....write me back and we'll discuss.

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:56:

HG I just wrote you back

Elección no canonización....

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houstongal says on Jul 4, 2008, 19:06:

Gabo, all I can say is you better not disappoint me and disappear again! I missed seeing you in BsAs in December. No more running away from me - OK?

"It is now official: there's no place on earth where you will not find a Peruvian band." David Sedaris

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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 19:07:

gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 18:12: flag

Question, has Ingrid thanked the US gvmt?
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Why would she? I don't think the woman cares about anything but France....

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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gabolicious says on Jul 4, 2008, 19:11:

=) No I won't run away!!!

Elección no canonización....

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Aaron21 says on Jul 4, 2008, 22:39:

Wow this subject produced some lunacy. France had absolutely nothing to do with Betancourt's rescue. The French government has never taken a chance on anything, and never will. France did revive some public attention to her plight, but that was irrelevant to the situation. She went back to France because she has better political standing. She said nothing about the US because the US is not popular in France. For better or worse, she is a politician and is capitalizing politically. If you sympathize with that, well..lol.. nevermind..

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 5, 2008, 03:27:

France did a lot for her, just keeping her in the spotlight put pressure on the government to released her and other hostages, they even sent that plane when they found out Ingrid was not in a good health. thanks to her the world new about the problem Colombia face with the guerrillas and the situation of the hostages.
Alvaro Uribe knew that and by releasing her he knew will score points too.

Another think i was watching France24 and they interviewed some Colombian people on the street of Bogota and the majority agree that she owed to thanks France as they did a lot for her and that in Colombia she had little support.
lets face how many times we argued in this forum about France thinking that the only hostage was Ingrid.... they kept their crusade until the end.

And as BamacellI said, she has thanked over and over again the government of Colombia and president Uribe and if you listened very well she said in one of the interview she said she was proud of being Colombia and the Colombians.
She has said many nice thing about the Army and the president, that now everybody has Uribe on a pedestal.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 5, 2008, 03:31:

btw welcome back Gabo :))
i can see you were released too :)))

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dwmte7 says on Jul 5, 2008, 08:28:

heh, dear ingrid.....i may be wrong, but i didn't see no 'frogs' on the ground savin your ass.

dwmte

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MaFe says on Jul 5, 2008, 08:30:

Aaron21 says on Jul 4, 2008, 22:39: flag

Wow this subject produced some lunacy. France had absolutely nothing to do with Betancourt's rescue. The French government has never taken a chance on anything, and never will. France did revive some public attention to her plight, but that was irrelevant to the situation. She went back to France because she has better political standing. She said nothing about the US because the US is not popular in France. For better or worse, she is a politician and is capitalizing politically. If you sympathize with that, well..lol.. nevermind..

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Very well put!!

dwmte7 says on Jul 5 (today): flag

heh, dear ingrid.....i may be wrong, but i didn't see no 'frogs' on the ground savin your ass.
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HA HA!! Very true!!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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Aaron21 says on Jul 5, 2008, 21:25:

Kat1.. I am going to put this very simply - so everyone here can understand. France did absolutely nothing for Betancourt. They would have hurt her position if the Colombian government would have let them. They left with their collective tails between their legs when they realized they are irrelevant in Colombia and irrelevant in the world. France did nothing and never will... enough said.

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goin_south says on Jul 5, 2008, 21:32:

well, they still turn out some pretty good table wine

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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huskie says on Jul 5, 2008, 21:39:

Umm YES!!!! wonderful wines, champagnes, cheeses, breads, Charcuteries, pastries, chocolatiers, food, clothing, the only bad thing is the cretine Sarkosy and his beautiful wife
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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goin_south says on Jul 5, 2008, 21:43:

por que, tan militant? huskie?

Ciao! Gustav. Bienvenitos, Ike.

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MaFe says on Jul 5, 2008, 22:25:

goin_south says on Jul 5 (today): flag

por que, tan militant? huskie?

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Miltant? Why because she speaks her mind? Because she isn't the normal bimbo on the board? Come on Patito!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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christobeldawg says on Jul 5, 2008, 22:29:

I like her GS, regardless of her political views. I particularly like MaFe for busting your ass. jaja

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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MaFe says on Jul 5, 2008, 22:49:

christobeldawg says on Jul 5 (today): flag

I like her GS, regardless of her political views. I particularly like MaFe for busting your ass. jaja
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Je je je

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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MaFe says on Jul 5, 2008, 23:47:

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 15:59: flag

they are French, they grew up in France, French father... just like my Kids, they are half Colombian half British, but you ask them and they will identified more with Britain than Colombia, they don't consider themselves Colombians. they are just Colombian because of me, the rest, education, upbringing, language, customs, everything is British

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:00: flag

Ingrid's kids are 99% French 1% Colombia i will say
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JA Kat!! I just watched the CNN documnetary on Ingrid..you stated her children (and I quoted you above) are French...only 1% Colombian? Hmmmm...funny thing...her children speak with 100% COLOMBIAN accent in Spanish...yeah!! They speak SPANISH at home to their kids...HMMMMM!!
So Ingrid has PRESERVED her Colombian heritage pride to her children...HMMM...

Perfect example of what I was stating- Colombian mother, French father= children 100% proud of BOTH cultures...here I have to say Congrats to Ingrid! Congrats for her preserving her culture on her children...like HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of mixed couples have done!!

I must also take this time to ask how do you figure her children are only 1% Colombian? I supposed their monther being 100% COLOMBIANA doesn't fit into that equation?

Again HALF COLOMBIAN HALF FRENCH!!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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MaFe says on Jul 6, 2008, 00:10:

Oh...and her daughter 100% Colombian accent...yeah! Again her children are half Colombian Half French....and seem proud of their Colombian roots!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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Aaron21 says on Jul 6, 2008, 00:25:

As well they should be...

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mimimimimi says on Jul 6, 2008, 07:18:

They speak SPANISH at home to their kids...HMMMMM!!
So Ingrid has PRESERVED her Colombian heritage pride to her children...HMMM...

yeah not only that , they have been fed on colombian taxes money ... we all colombians payed for their uprising in paris, or everyone forgets about her being senator most of her life and earning insane amounts of money! JUST ASK PIRRY HOW MUCH ... ,if not stealing like every politician around hahaha: then they suddenøy doesnt feel colombian.

well a lit bit of biography I translated from this link: http://planetainformes.blogspot.com/2007/12/historia-y-biografia-de-in...

1.Studies in france political science while her father was ambassador there.

2.marries a french and after having the two children in there gets the nationality.

3, divorced comes to colombia and gets to be minister of state under gaviria\s goverment

4.in 1994 was chambers representative .

5.1998 she makes it to the senate with the highest votes counting in the country.

6.2002 she quits senate and becomes presidential candidate and then gets kidnapped

2002-2008 A HUGE BLANK AHHA

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MaFe says on Jul 6, 2008, 12:48:

mimimimimi says on Jul 6 (today): flag

They speak SPANISH at home to their kids...HMMMMM!!
So Ingrid has PRESERVED her Colombian heritage pride to her children...HMMM...

Hey Mimi! I am with you girl...I just wanted to bring a point to Kat and certian people that stated that her children are 99% French 1% Colombian which is a bunch of B&^%S&%$!
I still haven't figured out their calculations! LOL!!
Since she clearly taught her children to speak Spanish like COlombians...My point is that there are MANY people all over the world- mixed couples and most manage to bring up their children with 2 cultures, sometimes 3...and some were saying otherwise.. which is MI$#DA!
=)

I agree with everything you stated above!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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Simon says on Jul 13, 2008, 14:07:

Mafe,

I agree with you completely about Ingid's kids being 50/50 Colombian and French. I admire how you defend their 'Colombianidad', congrats!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 13, 2008, 14:40:

She did not have to teach them anything. Both, Melanie and Lorenzo Delloye attended Lycee Francais Louis Pasteur in Bogota for years. So yes, they are half colombian, they have lived there, studied there, and socialized there. Children of Colombian parents who are born and raised abroad, on the other hand, can have the nationality, speak the language and eat arepas but they will NEVER be 100% Colombian.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Simon says on Jul 13, 2008, 14:49:

"Children of Colombian parents who are born and raised abroad, on the other hand, can have the nationality, speak the language and eat arepas but they will NEVER be 100% Colombian."

Eso me suena a pura envidia. They are Colombian and then some!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 13, 2008, 14:55:

Envidia de que Simon? Si yo soy Colombiana. Que tan Colombiana puede ser una persona que solo va a Colombia de vacaciones a disfrutar del exotismo verde del pais de sus padres? A mi me parece muy bonito que los hijos de Colombianos en el exterior crezcan con el romanticismo patriota que sus padres les inculcaron pero una cosa es eso y otra cosa es ser Colombiano en Colombia.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Lisa Zee says on Jul 13, 2008, 14:59:

Estoy de acuerdo CK.

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Simon says on Jul 13, 2008, 15:22:

"Envidia de que Simon?"

Envidia de que ellos son primermundistas y usted no!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 13, 2008, 15:32:

Hahaha Simon, ya te pasaste de ridiculo. Si a experiencia multicultural y acceso al primer mundo vamos, creo que tengo buena ventaja. Pero si la competencia gira en torno al numero be bandejas paisa que me he comido en el exterior y la cantidad de Wal-marts o Targets a los que he ido de compras creo que me quedo con el 'tercermundismo'.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jul 13, 2008, 15:41:

Es que eso es lo que yo siempre he debatido, no importa cuanta cultura les metamos, cuanto Español nuestros hijos hablen, cuanta arepas y frijoles les demos, ellos no van hacer 100% Colombianos y menos si la otra mitad de la sangre no es Colombiana.
que el 50/50 si estoy de acuerdo 50/50 en sangre y ADN pero en lo que es en si ellos son mas del país donde nacieron O crecieron, se criaron, y estudiaron.

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MaFe says on Jul 13, 2008, 16:09:

Simon says on Jul 13 (today): flag

Eso me suena a pura envidia. They are Colombian and then some!

Tienes toda la razon Simon!!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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huskie says on Jul 13, 2008, 16:31:

Jajajaaja, como decia el kiko del 8 " Chusma, chusma!!! jajajja
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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