Increased Legal Protection For Women

Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 11:09:

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Robert Jorge says on Jun 12, 2008, 11:22:

It is a crime to insult a woman? Wow, no more freedom of speech in Colombia?

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 11:33:

It's a crime to hurt a woman's self-image or make her feel bad about herself. (That's what the article says...I didn't make it up)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 11:38:

It is illegal in Colombia not just to hit women -- Good

but also to insult them -- Dumb

force them to dress in a certain way --Dumb, unless it falls under "workplace harassment"

force them to marital sex, -- Good

make sexual innnuendos or harass female co-workers at work places. -- Good

To harass women sexually will be punished by no less than four years of prison; -- Ridiculous/extreme if it's verbal harassment in the workplace for which the remedy is typically termination and a civil lawsuit.

a homicide if the victim is a woman will be punishable with 40 years of prison. -- Good as long as the sentencing guidelines are the same when a male is murdered.

Overall, I don't disagree with the intentions but given the fact that Colombia cannot bring to justice over 90% of its murderers, can't control narcos in its jails, can't distribute narco property, etc...where are they going to get the resources and willpower to enforce these new laws?

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 11:41:

so much protection for women they should be made illegal to just advertised jobs for women 18 to 25 y/0 :))) "with 5 years experience" yeah right in what...

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billyb says on Jun 12, 2008, 11:45:

"It's a crime to hurt a woman's self-image or make her feel bad about herself. (That's what the article says...I didn't make it up)"

I am all for protecting women, but who decides when the above has been breached? That is a very slippery slope. If you break up with a woman and hurt her self image and make her feel bad about herself, are you now a criminal? How much time will men get in the clink for breaking up?

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peteyw says on Jun 12, 2008, 11:53:

"If you break up with a woman and hurt her self image and make her feel bad about herself, are you now a criminal? How much time will men get in the clink for breaking up?"

I agree with billyb; we are all for the protection of women, but that law blows! All the woman has to do is lie and the guy is screwed. I've met some pretty good actresses in my day.

What about my rights as a man or person now? What happens if we break up and the woman makes me feel bad about myself and hurts my self image? If she says "Petey you're fat, old, bald, you have a little weiner and you're bad in bed", can I have her thrown in the Greybar Hotel, too?

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:13:

Kat, that was exactly the first thing that came in my mind when I was reading the article.

It will take a lot of courageous women to denounce the sexist employment policies of a great many Colombian work places. Attach a photo to a work application form should be illegal too.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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arthur brode (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:35:

kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:38:

i agree desi, because if you are short fat and ugly you will have no chance, not even if you are 20

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:50:

Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:52:

"El acoso sexual se tipifica con penas de cárcel no menor a cuatro años y puede presentarse a través de sugerencias, roces, expresiones verbales, llamadas telefónicas y limitaciones para ingresar o mantener un empleo, dijo otra de las autoras, la representante cundinamarquesa Clara Pinillos. "

"Suggestions, touching, verbal expressions, telephone calls, limitations to get to work or keep your job" are some forms of sexual harassment punishable by no less than 4 years of prison.

My brother-in-law told me once about this secretary who got upset when they gave her a vibrator as a birthday present. He thought she had no sense of humour. I thought he was a swine.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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dwr says on Jun 12, 2008, 12:57:

I find that story hard to believe.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:04:

Which story?

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:09:

the vibrator one? jejej

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dwr says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:11:

Yeah. I just can't picture that here in Colombia. Even with the macho attitudes and all. That is bizarre.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:12:

It's true.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:15:

Desi, we've got to stop agreeing so much, but I think he's a swine also.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:18:

He talked about it as a good joke. How smart they were...to come up with such a brilliant thing. She was not so young and not so attractive, single and no boyfriend.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:21:

Kind of cruel if you ask me.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:21:

Yeah, Billy, I'm getting scared. I know something's wrong when you and Rubito start agreeing with me.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:22:

Rubito also? Oh oh, the end of times is near ;)

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:23:

yeah, she's going to join the dark side jejej

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:24:

actually Desi , if i were single and not very attractive and someone gives me a vibrator...uhmm i kind of be offended jejej.. what is he insinuating??? eh

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huskie says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:26:

Law makers should focus and enforce laws regarding age discrimination for both men and women than bother so much about the sexual harassment stuff, not that I am againtst them, but we all know better than that!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:27:

i agree huskie

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dwr says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:28:

Man I must live in another world here in Colombia. It just seems to me that the women surrounding me at work and at home are not only respected but in some ways the ones that run the show.

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huskie says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:31:

dwr: I am sure, and I am very glad for that
Cheers

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spigrimace says on Jun 12, 2008, 13:46:

Welcome to the Politically Correct United States of Colombia. Now it will be if a guy said, "Honey you look really good today", shell grab a cop and say "officer, Lock him up because he made me feel bad because he insinuated that I dont look nice everyday!!!"

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peteyw says on Jun 12, 2008, 14:13:

A vibrator is insulting, but I've heard worse. A woman I know here was b**ch slapped by her boss at work in front of everybody.

She worked for a travel agency at the airport here in Cartagena. His justification was that she was not working fast enough, so he slapped the daylights out of her. She left and never went back. She asked me not to tell her fiance a Gringo friend of mine why she quit her job, because she didn't know what his reaction would be. This happened just a year or so ago.

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nine inch nails says on Jun 12, 2008, 15:16:

But if it passes then it won't be like Latin America any more (just kidding).

There are definetely limits and boundaries that should be followed. After Navy tailhook in the early 90s we received strong regular doses of anti-sexual harassment training.

Green, yellow and red zones!

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arthur brode (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jun 12, 2008, 15:21:

huskie says on Jun 12, 2008, 15:32:

Peteyw: Wow, what a SOB!!! Did she ever reported him to someone? Labor Dept, Police?
Umm... Costenos after all, they treat women so awfully bad.
Cheers

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sloopskipper says on Jun 12, 2008, 15:38:

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 12, 2008, 11:33: flag

"It's a crime to hurt a woman's self-image or make her feel bad about herself. (That's what the article says...I didn't make it up)"

But maybe she should feel bad about herself or her self image (self inflicted), then what?

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Robert Jorge says on Jun 12, 2008, 16:04:

Tinto articulated my thoughts ... I just didn't have the time to type all of that out.

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CatGirl says on Jun 12, 2008, 18:57:

Wow ' interesting themes in today´s posts

"It's a crime to hurt a woman's self-image or make her feel bad about herself"

Sounds like it is open to interpretation and of course subjective (I take it this is interpreted from Spanish?), I am sure the judicial system will have a time of it defining what this actually means.....this probably refers more to the "not so obvious" oppressive type stuff that happens on a daily basis which over a long period of time can result in whittling down a persons own view of themselves.
Remember the sexual harrassment Hoopla that came out in the EEUU in the 90's? Law suits all over the place...

Good post Desi ;)

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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peteyw says on Jun 12, 2008, 20:26:

huskie wrote: "Peteyw: Wow, what a SOB!!! Did she ever reported him to someone? Labor Dept, Police? Umm... Costenos after all, they treat women so awfully bad."

To my knowledge she just told a few friends, including myself. It was colaborated by a co-worker of hers. The co-worker said that after she left the office you could hear a pin drop, the boss went into his office and didn't come out the rest of the day and he didn't come into work the rest of the week (everyone assumed he was too afraid). As far as I no there were no consequenses for the boss. She's married to my friend and living in Texas since last June.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 12, 2008, 22:00:

Sloopie it's ok for a woman to feel bad about herself...if it's self-inflicted. Which it seldom is. Low self-esteem is usually caused by other people, like bad parents. Now...I don't believe this is the spirit of the new law. It's more like if...say you're workmate is constantly harassing you...hitting you or not "hitting" you, but saying mean and evil things like "have you gained weight since yesterday?" or gods you smell bad, have you got your period?" then you (not you, but me, because you're a guy) can have him rot in prison for no less than four years....

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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CatGirl says on Jun 12, 2008, 22:18:

jajaja!!! Desi...you smell bad have you got your period" ? You are a crack up....

I have a few funnies myself...people in the medical field can get a bit down and dirty/raunchy to say the least.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 13, 2008, 09:39:

No doubt there's a lot of BS going on in Colombian workplaces. The women have been putting up a lot, but the attitude is definitely changing. About time, too. The society is transforming, slowly but surely, people are playing more by rules, the jungle is receding. That there will always be people who rue the fact that the Colombian society will lose some of its more pictoresque qualities by this process is inevitable.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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