IN REMEBERANCE

elmodefoque says on Sep 11, 2007, 05:22:

might not be colombian related but over half a million colombianos live here

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miamimike says on Sep 11, 2007, 05:26:

I sure rememebr the day Elmo, though I wasn't in NY, I rememeber watching TV when a news Special cut into regular programming to show what was going down,,,I visited the Twin Towers in the '80s and what a View. I also purchased a 1/2 dozen Postcards from that Restuarant (windows of the world) that day as Momentos and recently discovered them. Like the day I purchased them,,,Hard to believe 6 Years later the Guy responsible is still alive and smiling for Videos threatening US Citizens,,,,Whatever happened to the "We'll Smoke him out of his cave Bravado" uttered the Next day by Bush,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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elmodefoque says on Sep 11, 2007, 05:35:

You know what was surreal about that moment, all we had to do was look up and see the burning twin towers live yet many of us kept watching it on TV.

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elmodefoque says on Sep 11, 2007, 05:45:

MIke, my borther worked 3 days a week at "windows of the world" but that day he was off.
Many illegal mexicans worked there and most ate their VERY LAST huevos rancheros that morning.

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miamimike says on Sep 11, 2007, 06:12:

Elmo, who would have thought that it was to be their "Last Breakfast" ?? For Any of us really who visited the Towers, it could have our Last Visit, only our Roll of the Dice hadn't been rolled yet,,,The View was worth the Risk at any rate. My Favorite NYC Highrise is still the "Empire State Building" and its Art Deco style. King Kong and The Empire Lives,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Miguel says on Sep 11, 2007, 07:08:

elmodofoque, thanks for the thread. It seems that, with every passing year, the rememberances become fewer. It feels like it happened yesterday.

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Monpirri says on Sep 11, 2007, 08:41:

Elmo, I remember that day I was working at a local high school and the classroom had TV monitors.
I know you know this, but I would share it also, many people from many countries died in the attack, about or more than 90 from other countries.
Univision.com - Noticias, reported in their initial report of 9/17/01
"Aumenta el numero de desaparecidos de los paises de America Latina." They had a list from Latin America: Argentina, Brasil, Ecuador, El Salvador, Honduras and Colombia with a very large number on said list!

Other countries not reported on the above report: England, France, Jamaica, Japan, Filipines and Netherlands.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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elmodefoque says on Sep 11, 2007, 08:55:

Will Jimeno (born November 26, 1967) is a Port Authority Police officer of Colombian origin who survived the World Trade Center attack on September 11th. He was buried under the rubble for nearly 12 hours, but survived, along with fellow Port Authority officer John McLoughlin.

Jimeno, a rookie cop assigned to the Port Authority Bus Terminal, saw the shadow of the airplane that seconds later hit the North Tower of the World Trade Center. He rode to the WTC site with 20 other Port Authority police officers in a commandeered bus.[1]

Jimeno and other Port Authority officers, led by McLoughlin, were trapped under the Concourse between the twin towers by the collapse of the South Tower. Only Jimeno and McLoughlin survived, with another officer surviving the initial collapse, but died when the North Tower collapsed.

A USA Today account observed:

Sometimes they yelled for help. But mostly the 46-year-old sergeant, a 21-year veteran, and the 32-year-old [sic] rookie talked intimately, sometimes revealing personal things — about kids, families, feelings — that they had never shared with anyone. Jimeno asked the sergeant to deliver a message over the radio to his wife, Allison, who was seven months pregnant. They had received no response earlier, but he thought maybe their radio call would be picked up on a police tape recording. "Attention," McLoughlin announced. "Officer Jimeno requests that his baby girl be named Olivia." His wife had liked the name. He hadn't been so sure. Now, as he prepared to die, he wanted to think of his baby girl, Olivia.[2]

The two men were subsequently located and extricated. Both were severely injured and required months of hospitalization.

Jimeno's entombment and rescue were portrayed in the 2006 Oliver Stone film World Trade Center by Michael Peña. The film received widespread critical praise, but has received criticism for not accurately portraying the rescue of McLoughlin and Jimeno. The film was criticized for incorrectly identifying the personnel who dug out the two men, omitting key participants in the rescue, and understating the amount of time and effort required as well as the danger and difficulty involved in extricating the two men. [3]

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Jimeno"

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morphus says on Sep 11, 2007, 09:01:

I slept through it. I was working nights at the time. I used to work in World Trade 2 on the 25th floor. The company I worked for was smart enough to get out after the first bombing in 1993.

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toneloc24 says on Sep 11, 2007, 09:07:

From a personal perspective, what a day it was.

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Osamayor says on Sep 11, 2007, 10:05:

Two stories Elmo:

First, when 9/11 happened I think we were all shocked. I had a small American flag that I put up outside my house. I went to the store and tried to purchase a larger one. They were all sold out. You could look up and down my street in Canada and you could so many American flags it was breathtaking. 9/11 changed the we do things in the world. As a Canadian, I and everyone I knew were saddened by the ordeal.
2nd Story: I personally know a man a fireman who survived 9/11. He lost many of his friends on that day. He watched them fall as the floor gave in, in front of him. He ended up in the hospital while most his friends died. He is on a disability and is living here in Colombia. He suffers from allot things attributed to 9/11. He survived but he is haunted by that day and his life will never be the same. He is a real hero to me.
Thanks Elmo for the post. I hope this thread survives.

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LA_MONA says on Sep 11, 2007, 10:17:

http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=1282287

Rest in peace.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 11, 2007, 10:21:

I had that day off and would have been asleep. But the cable guy showed up 2 hours early. When he was finished, he had me turn on the TV to make sure I had a good signal. Of course you know what I saw. I couldn't stop watching for a while. Then, I got so depressed I drove off of Fort Myers Beach and over to Sanibel Island. I just sat on the sand and pondered. Later that evening I drove into Fort Myers, and the US government building had all the streets shut down around it and SWAT types around it. But there were hardly any cars on the road. It was very eery, almost like something out of a movie.

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Man Tequila says on Sep 11, 2007, 10:26:

I saw the thing on TV. My heart goes out to the innocent victims. I thought Penn 'n Teller's Bullshit episode on 9/11 was kind of enlightening too -- they have not done a good job since this tragedy.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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El Polo says on Sep 11, 2007, 11:20:

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poco says on Sep 11, 2007, 11:32:

ALERT:


Rubito says: not to mention foundational problems from pressure from the wind! That's why they went down completely!

No,NO, NO,, that is NOT CORRECT and had NOTHING to do with why the towers collapsed. The fires from the plane impact damaged the inadequate fireproofing on the floor support joists and fires from the fuel weakened the structural steel on the affected floors producing a "pancake" effect.

Anyone who watched the collapse on TV saw the effect. Well,, except for Rosie McDonald.

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kalder says on Sep 11, 2007, 11:59:

MT- I saw that Penn & Teller episode too (in Colombia, incidentally). Very depressing.

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LA_MONA says on Sep 11, 2007, 12:11:

Rubito wow well done you admitted defeat, is this a first ;-)

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elmodefoque says on Sep 11, 2007, 12:22:

many mohawks from upstate and onondaga reservation (then living in Brooklyn) built most of nyc skyscrappers and now injuns from mexico are rebuilding the entire city of new orleans.
why are injuns good at building skyscrappeers? cus we aint afraid of heights. I could walk on my hands , chewing gum, listening to my i-pod with my eyes closed on the ledge of a 50 story building with no problem.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Sep 11, 2007, 12:26:

I don't care who builds the buildings, as long as the topping out ceremony includes a Christmas Tree and an American flag, not the Injun (Mexican) flag.

;-)

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elmodefoque says on Sep 11, 2007, 12:27:

a christmas tree?

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Sep 11, 2007, 12:34:

Yeah, look around sometime. Ancient ironworkers tradition.

http://www.interfaith.freeuk.com/topping.pdf

(I just skimmed the article but it looks like we borrowed the tradition from Northern Europeans or maybe even Native Americans)

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gringoloid says on Sep 11, 2007, 12:37:

I was an ironworker in NYC, and those Indians also fall off the most.

Who are the three blind men?

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poco says on Sep 11, 2007, 12:47:

Humm: R says:I think actually they used some highly flammable material on it.

Had to look at the P&T on U-Tube,, Funny: Thanks for the heads up. There are lots of nuts around but what the heck,, 300 Million folks,, maybe,, what ??? half of a percent in general population and one or two here ??? Then again half a percent is 1.5 millon,, sounds about right. Problem is that most seem to live or have lived in NYC.

Penn and Teller Video

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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El Polo says on Sep 11, 2007, 12:52:

The irony Gringoloid, behind that is that those mexican that dont fall off have to go make the breakfast run for all those ironworkers at a nearby deli where the mexicans are cooking the food!!!!

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El Polo says on Sep 11, 2007, 13:01:

Poco. Just remember some people are alive because it is illegal to shoot them.

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poco says on Sep 11, 2007, 13:22:

Polo Says: Poco. Just remember some people are alive because it is illegal to shoot them.

That's what I like about rural Colombia. It's not legal,, but what the heck,, they get shot and no one's caught.

For instance,,, someone STOLE a stereo and everyone in town was talking about it !!! NO ONE steals anything like someones personal stuff and gets away with it. For what it's worth, they ususally just tell them to leave. Unless they are short brain cells,, they leave.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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scotty says on Sep 11, 2007, 13:24:

someone told me that 20 Colombians also died in the twin towers?

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Ekdog says on Sep 11, 2007, 13:31:

My heart goes out to all of the innocent victims and their families and also to the innocent victims of the Bush-Cheney "shock and awe" demonstration and the thousands of dead and wounded Iraqis, Americans, Brits, and so on that this insane invasion of Iraq has caused.

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Monpirri says on Sep 11, 2007, 13:35:

The firt report by Univision, "Aumenta el numero de desaparecidos de los paises de America Latina." They had Colombia with the most casualities around 200, Argentina 5, Brazil 55, El Salvador 100, Mexico 19, Honduras 1

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scotty says on Sep 11, 2007, 14:14:

Monpirri - wow 200 you say? I did not know the number of Colombians killed was that high. I had heard so many different numbers i hear 20, 28, 128, once even heard 300 Colombians died.
Sorry to hear our Colombians brothers got caught up in this attack.


Ekdog - what has SHOCK AND AWE got to do with showing respsect for 9/11? should we also bring up every battle or attack thats ever taken place in history today. How about Dec7th the japanese attack Pearl Harbor? how about the Germans bombing England? Shall i go on?

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Ekdog says on Sep 11, 2007, 14:44:

"what has SHOCK AND AWE got to do with showing respsect for 9/11?"

We need to show respect for ALL innocent people, not just the ones who were killed or injured on that day. The Bush administration used what happened on 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq, even though Iraq had nothing to do with that event. Anyone who has read the PNAC document now knows that the neocons had planned the Iraq invasion as far back as 1997 (http://www.americanfreepress.net/12_24_02/America_Pearl_Harbored/ameri...).


"should we also bring up every battle or attack thats ever taken place in history today. How about Dec7th the japanese attack Pearl Harbor? how about the Germans bombing England?"

Only if you think those attacks are somehow related to what happened on 9/11.

"Shall i go on?"

You can do as you like, but please try to make more sense if you do decide to continue. Have you been hitting the rum this evening?

Regards,

Ekdog

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scotty says on Sep 11, 2007, 14:50:

Ekdog well thats exactly my point this is 9/11 we show respect to all those who died in 9/11. if you want to start a Shock and Awe day of remeberence then maybe you should do so.
Find out the exact day of Shock and Awe and start up a remeberance day for Shaock and Awe. Today 9/11 is what it is 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers and Washington.
You dont rememberence every single balle ever fouhgt in the history of the world on 9/11.
For example The Japanese attack on pearl harbor is remembered on Dec. 7th, Independence from England is celebrated on July 4th.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Ekdog says on Sep 11, 2007, 15:03:

Come on Scotty! You can't really be that dense, can you? The 9/11 attacks were only the beginning of a series of tragic events that have caused thousands upon thousands of deaths and untold suffering. It is highly appropriate that we remember all of them today.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Sep 11, 2007, 15:03:

I recently read "The Looking Tower" by Lawrence Wright. He does a great job of reconstructing, not a conspiracy but, rather, a remarkable series of bureaucratic fuckups that kept the FBI and the CIA from sharing information that might have prevented the attacks. Basically, the CIA had the intel that Al Qaeda guys were in the US and planning something big but didn't want to share that info with the FBI, who could actually arrest people, because, A) The CIA hated the FBI guy in charge of the Al Qaeda file, who apparently was a bit of a bully and a prick, and B) The CIA was afraid to "compromise intelligence sources" by sharing what they knew.

Nice work boys!

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miamimike says on Sep 11, 2007, 16:14:

Scotty, Pearl Harbor is a poor comparison to use in comparing 9/11 attack to our Invasion of Iraq. Big Difference is the USA was attacked by the Japanese and our retatlation was completely justified when we gave them "Shock&Awe in return. Did Iraq attack us on 9/11? Hardly and even today on the Nightly news 30 minutes ago, Brian Ross on ABC had a special that showed 6 years later, AQ Terrorists camps are up and running, training new Terrorists readying to do us harm. Furthermore, he showed that the Major Money for AQ funding was flowing from a nation of one of our so called Allies, Saudi Arabia. Keep buying that $70 per barrel to run those gas Guzzling Suvs Boys! Don't let the USA become Energy Dependent so the Flow of $$$ to the Saudi Terrorists stops! Trouble is BACK IN 2003, we shocked and Awed the Wrong country! As a result of the USA taking the focus(troops and money) off Afghanistan and invading Iraq, Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden are alive&well andSmiling on Videos ,,,

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gringoloid says on Sep 11, 2007, 16:40:

It was revealed in the 70s that President Roosevelt knew many hours before the Pearl Harbor attack that the Japanese were just off the coast of Hawaii poised for battle. He ignored it.

Eighty percent of americans were opposed to the second world war and Roosevelt was doing all he could to get us involved.

Something took the world trade towers down........probably thermite. The explosions of the thermite going off were recorded on the Columbia University seismic monitors.

Who are the three blind men?

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scotty says on Sep 11, 2007, 17:02:

ok dog lets take today a day of rememberance for all those who lost their lives from an attack on america 9/11and turn it into a day where we remember every single battle or attack on any country anywhere in the world at anytime in history including your favorite rememberance Shock and Awe. happy now?

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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poco says on Sep 11, 2007, 19:43:

Quote: someone told me that 20 Colombians also died in the twin towers?

No Colombians were killed as far as I know. I think Canadian and British subjects had the highest body count..

Correction: Wickipedia says 17.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-American_casualties_of_the_September_...

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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poco says on Sep 11, 2007, 20:12:

Quote: Something took the world trade towers down........probably thermite

More likely it was the result of the airliners loaded with jet fuel hitting the building.

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christobeldawg says on Sep 11, 2007, 20:27:

as this day closes here on the east coast, I feel for all that we lost on that day.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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Lily03 says on Sep 11, 2007, 21:05:

Wow..6 Years ago. Such a tragic event to this day it still gives me goose bumps and brings tears to my eyes.
I had just got in to work when I receive an e-mail from my brother, about the first plane. I was puzzled as I couldnt understand how an airplane could crash into one of the buildings..as I was heading to the cafeteria in disbelief..some one shouts, a second plane. Everyone was pale in the office as we had two of our associates were in a meeting with MARSH (Insurance Company) On the North building on the 102 floor.. from my building in Stamford I was able to see that night as the fire was going down that evening. Glued to the TV but sick to my stomach.

This morning getting ready and running late to work, I made sure I dedicated at least 1 minute in rememberance to the people that we lost that day..and asked our highest power to heal those with such a sick heart, filled with hate.

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gringoloid says on Sep 11, 2007, 23:31:

poco....how can kerosene, which is jet fuel, melt or blow up steel?

jet fuel burns at 700 degrees about, and explodes at 1500 degrees.

why do we go through all the trouble of using a bottled oxygen or electric arc, (which is needed because steel melts and cuts at 2200 degrees ) when we could just use kerosene?

Who are the three blind men?

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 12, 2007, 01:07:

Gringoloid. I am not a chemist nor a physicist. But, I know fire can be made hotter with the addition of oxygen with an ample supply of fuel source. I know people for thousands of years have made steel, melted steel, and produced steel with simple coal fires, stoked by the addition of oxygen. Can you cut steel with burning jet fuel like an acetylene torch? Of course not. But can steel be weakened and caused to fail under extreme loads and stress, caused by the loss of several supports due to severing, and extreme heat? Obviously yes. If a jet's exhaust burned at 700 degrees, my oven could almost handle that. Why do jets have ceramic exhaust ports, instead of steel, if it was a measly 700 degrees? You wanna bet me that the exhaust I see coming out of the F 15 fighter jets that fly over my house almost everyday is 700 degrees? There are blue and white cones of heat ... and their fuel is essentially the same as any commercial jet. Anybody that is in the "know" can back me up with this.

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 12, 2007, 01:27:

I am still haunted by the mental images of those poor, doomed people, leaning out of the windows and jumping.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Sep 12, 2007, 01:34:

that was awful RJ,

God bless them

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scotty says on Sep 12, 2007, 01:45:

gringoloid Roosevelt did not know the japanese fleet was getting ready to attack Pearl Harbor. however he was looking for a way to get involved in WW2 but not with the Japs he was trying to get involved with Germany(different ocean).
News flash the twin towers were knocked down by jet airliners flown by terrorist, we all saw it and Bin ladin admitted it.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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gringolondinense says on Sep 12, 2007, 03:43:

Funny you mention the Japs Scotty...they were the first suicide bombers to attack the U.S.

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gringoloid says on Sep 12, 2007, 07:08:

Scotty, it has been proven for 40 years that a telegram was received at the white house 9 hours before the attack on pearl harbor. I'll find a link, but I'm real busy today.

I don't know of one war in recent history that has not been started on a false flag operation.

My mentor, Prof Revilo Oliver, was a cryptographer who read the telegram and became one of the greatest authors on false flag operations that there ever was.

I'll see if i can find another link on the attack we gave Japan 10 DAYS BEFORE pearl harbor.

I'll find a link for a book that describes everything; Roosevelts staff fully admitted in the 70's that they 'misplaced' the telegram.

Who are the three blind men?

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Sep 12, 2007, 13:57:

With respect to Colombia's history post-independence up to the cocaine bonanza, I disagree. Using nothing more than rifles and machetes the country has proven itself quite capable of slaughtering hundreds of thousands of its own citizens without any "help" from the outside. To be fair, many other countries have done the same, including the U.S. The exceptional thing about Colombia is that there have been so many internal conflicts and the one they have right now is going on 60 years if you start counting at 1948. Oh well, they've got nothing on old Europe...

The number of fatalities in the U.S. on September 11th does offer an interesting perspective. Even with a much improved security situation, Colombia - with 1/7th of the population - continues to lose somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000 lives per year as a direct result of the current conflict (military, FARC, ELN, AUC).

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Colombiche says on Sep 12, 2007, 14:04:

I agree with the bit about Colombia, we were pretty good at hacking ourselves up with peinillas during the violencia era....without anybody else intervening. Now we are using slightly more advanced weapons, but there is still plenty of violence going around. I doubt that the present Colombian conflict can be blamed on outside influences to a significant degree.

But how do you explain cases like that of Nicaragua?

Or let me be even more drastic, how about Hiroshima?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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goin_south says on Sep 13, 2007, 00:02:

dos veces, Mona; que rico!

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Sep 13, 2007, 00:04:

I was fortunate to have had dinner late one night, back about 1989, at the top of one of the towers. One of the best ever.. it was a ... serial...killa! muy rico!

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Sep 13, 2007, 00:04:

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Where do we go from here?

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famsearch says on Sep 13, 2007, 20:40:

one thing we have to remember about pearl harbor is this, the japanese navy sent out hundreds, if not thousands of false radio messages, including the one for the attack on pearl harbor, in order to confuse anyone listening in. it worked very well, since we knew at the time, that an attack was in the works, but with all the false messages, no one knew for certain where it would be.

dan

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Monpirri says on Sep 17, 2007, 14:28:

Where did you get your info? I got it from the must trusted source by the hispanics in the US and the most watched by 'some' Colombians. Univision is not my cup of tea, anyway I've scanned two pages which confirm the death tolls of the countries mentioned above and I'll be glad to send them to you, and if you wish you can post them here.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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